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bborchar
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Jan 30 2013, 9:12pm
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To dub or not to dub...
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I don't know how many people have seen The Hobbit dubbed in another language (just for the record, I have not seen it all the way through as such - I've only seen clips and trailers from the french dub). But I wondered, would you rather see it dubbed or subbed? If you did see it dubbed, what did you think? Did it bother you at all? I always prefer to see movies subbed, myself...but I've known people that felt that it made it harder for them to concentrate on the movie.
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Arannir
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Jan 30 2013, 9:31pm
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... we had more original versions here in Germany... or at least just subbed.
But most screenings here are dubbed. However, the dubbing has become some sort of an art form, at least for the big movies.
So it is not totally crappy - but of course the original is always much better - and the only direct view at a performance by an actor. Movies I care about I always try to watch in the original language (also did that with the Hobbit).
What made matters worse is that the great German voice of Gandalf from LotR was given by Achim Höppner who died a few years ago. Not only is it sad, but Gandalf is maybe the worst character to have a changed voice for.
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Eledhwen
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Jan 30 2013, 9:36pm
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I find them less distracting than the wrong voices and lips out of synch with the words.
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bborchar
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Jan 30 2013, 9:41pm
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...most of the English movies were subtitled (including LotR)- but tv shows were always dubbed (x-files, etc). Although I know it's all about what you're used to...for example, while I couldn't stand watching the dubbed x-files (because I had seen it in English), there was another tv series from South Korea that was dubbed, and the dubbing didn't bother me as much, since I never saw it before then.
When I watched the Hobbit clips in French, it was just so strange, mainly because Richard Armitage has such a distinctive voice that must be hard to emulate. The voice for Bilbo was pretty good, though.
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macfalk
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Jan 30 2013, 9:54pm
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I grew up with subtitles so it's the most natural thing in the world for me. I can understand that for people with English as their first language, like Americans or Brits, subtitles are not often the best way to go as it could be hard to concentrate on reading and watching at the same time. In Sweden though, everyone watches foreign movies in subtitles and it's not a problem for anyone.
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Carne
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Jan 30 2013, 9:58pm
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Grown up watching subbed movies, so it's not distracting at all. It's sort of automatic, as in I don't noticed the subtitles at all. I just have to glance over the text and that's it. Same for most Scandinavians I guess.
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Rostron2
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Jan 30 2013, 10:00pm
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The market for subtitled usually is smaller. Doing it in the native language also poses difficulties, but it makes it much more accessible, even if it doesn't look quite right, but as someone said, it's come a long way from dubbed Godzilla films.
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Yva
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Jan 30 2013, 10:28pm
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I'm very much opposed to the idea of dubbing in cinemas
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(unless it's a childrens movie) but I admit I need subtitles. English accents are beautiful, and tricky :) In fact I prefer English subtitles, but I'm fine with localized subtitles, too.
I'm perfectly fine with movies being dubbed for TV - it's a different kind of experience, often a different kind of target audiece, plus sometimes you just really want to sit back and enjoy the movie without too much hassle.
But cinemas - no way. Even though watching a movie is sometimes regarded as "pure entertainment", I believe it's supposed to be a complex experience where the viewer isn't just a brainless, passive consumer (well of course that depends on the movie). The actor's voice, the accent, the way they deliver their lines, it's all part of the director's vision. And especially if they are trained stage actors - RA's or sir Ian's voice (just to name the few obvious examples, I don't mean to ignore the others, equally as great) are an art form of its own! And if I'm paying for the ticket, I want to have that complete vision and experience and I want to hear the original sound. Or I want to be given a fair choice. Reading subtitles might seem tedious, but I believe it's a matter of getting used to. A bit like HFR maybe - you struggle for a few moments, and then suddenly you forget you're actually putting any real effort into it. I saw TH in 3D (no HFR) subtitles and it was perfectly doable.
I caught a glimpe of TH dubbed in Czech, and I know they dub the Misty Mountains song. Someone else's reaction in another thread was that dubbing the Misty Mountains song is criminal, and well that's exactly what it is. And I mean not disrespect to the local actors - it's no fault of theirs.
I'm angry the distributors think the dubbed version should be the primary and first choice. I'm also worried that all the HFR and Atmos copies are dubbed - we're really geting into the "Here I am, switching off my brain, now entertain me!" territory. I doubt the directors want that. Or do they?
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Kassandros
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Jan 30 2013, 10:36pm
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Wish they'd do it for "kids" movies too...
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Teach little Timmy to read!
I don't want my beautiful Ghibli movies ruined with dubs! 
(I've recently watched several of them in theaters, some with dubs and some with subs, and, while I prefer subs, I actually didn't hate the dubs as much as I expected. I must be getting old. In general, I vastly prefer subs and often cannot stomach dubs at all.)
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Verbal_Daggers
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Jan 30 2013, 10:41pm
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not to dub ... but in 3D HFR please
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It's rather difficult to find a not dubbed version in Germany that is in 3D HFR - I have definitely fallen in love with the new format and don't want to watch it any other way in the cinema which is why I have to settle for the dubbed version . At least once a cinema nearby showed the movie neither dubbed nor subbed in 3D HFR .. That was HEAVEN!
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bborchar
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Jan 30 2013, 10:46pm
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Teach little Timmy to read! I don't want my beautiful Ghibli movies ruined with dubs! (I've recently watched several of them in theaters, some with dubs and some with subs, and, while I prefer subs, I actually didn't hate the dubs as much as I expected. I must be getting old. In general, I vastly prefer subs and often cannot stomach dubs at all.)
I actually preferred Howl's Moving Castle in English - the Japanese version is just very...flat. It could also have something to do with Christian Bale doing the voice ;) Cartoon dubs don't bother me unless the voice acting is awful. I just have a hard time with dubs over live action, because it's very easy to see that it's not them speaking.
As for dubbing the Misty Mountains song...I heard the French, and I was like "uuuh, no". Have to have the English version for that :)
All-in-all, I'm more used to subtitles, so the don't bother me at all. I had actually wondered how they looked with the HFR 3D, though, since the subtitles sort of "sit out in front" of the picture.
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ElendurTheFaithful
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Jan 30 2013, 11:19pm
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we are too poor to even put on some subtitles much less dub the whole thing :)
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Lusitano
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Jan 30 2013, 11:46pm
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quite the experience.
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Kirly
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Jan 31 2013, 2:32am
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I think I'm losing my hearing! sometimes i put the subtitles on just so i know what they're saying! and i often have to put on the subtitles for movies out of the UK since i often miss the bits of slang or if they're speaking quickly.
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Súlimë
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Jan 31 2013, 2:52am
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No dub for me please. Everything is better in the original language. I think dubbing ruins the acting, the immersion, everything.
But I have to admit subtitles are quite distracting in 3D movies. There are just so many layers of depth and the text just floats in the foreground, which looks rather weird. I have yet to try the unsubbed 3D experience...
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Angharad73
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Jan 31 2013, 6:33am
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I am a language snob. I freely admit that. I also nitpick. Oh, and I studied languages for translating and interpreting. I simply cannot watch dubbed versions of English-language movies (the same way I cannot read translated books). It's impossible. If I watch a movie in German (I live in Germany nowadays), I can still hear the English in the German dialogue, and then I start to find all the errors - and usually there are plenty. Subtitles I could at least ignore.
Luckily I live in an area where there are cinemas that show movies in English. And if there is one that I want to see that the cinemas here don't show in English, I wait for the DVD.
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Rolfina
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Jan 31 2013, 8:17am
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Fortunately here (in Germany's most beautiful city ) we have one cinema that shows films in original version without subtitles. I wouldn't be caught dead watching a film like the Hobbit dubbed (to the scorn of my friends). For many films I wouldn't mind, but for something where the language (the voices, the words that are used, the names and places) are such an integral part of the story, I couldn't. Especially because I watch most of my home entertainment in English, and know many of the original voices, and once you know them, you can't watch the dubbed one without getting distracted, or plain laugh out loud. Subtitles I don't need luckily, well not for the English language movies anyways. But we were talking about the Hobbit, right? If we were talking about a French movie, or any other language I don't speak, then definitely dubbed.
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RaoulJ
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Jan 31 2013, 8:34am
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I absolutely hate dubbed movies.
Even when I watch an English movie and the dialogue is off-sync I get annoyed. And when watching a movie dubbed I get really mad.
I've tried it. But my last real cinema-dubbing-experience was Troy. I watched it in Berlin and didn't know it would be dubbed. I thought 'well, i just ignore the German subtitles and I will be fine', forgetting that many movies in Germany are dubbed.
So I prefer subbed versions (or no subtitles for languages I understand) for every movie. In Holland (where I'm from) we get all movies (and tvseries) subbed (except for children-stuff).
But now I'd like to know. Why would you watch a butchered version of the original version?
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macfalk
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Jan 31 2013, 9:38am
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Although, in mid and southern Europe, it looks like they have little choice right now.
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Angharad73
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Jan 31 2013, 12:27pm
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Irish! And by that I mean Gaelic... When I was living in Ireland, they kept showing Goblet of Fire in Gaelic on TV. I saw it at least twice (I don't speak Irish, but I watched it out of curiosity). Never any of the other movies, though. I thought it was quite... interesting.
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The Prancing Pony
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Jan 31 2013, 1:47pm
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I've had the same problem with deciding between either HFR or not dubbed. I chose HFR because I wanted to know what all the fuss was about and I loved it. But when I wanted to watch it in the OV they only showed it at such strange times that I could never go.
So, definitely no dubbing for me. The voice of an actor makes half of the performance and I think you cannot judge a film on only the visual half. They could at least have left the songs as they were and subbed them. "Blunt the knives" was good enough, but I cannot enjoy "Misty Mountains" that way .
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bborchar
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Jan 31 2013, 1:50pm
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...who doesn't get to hear Richard Armitage's deep, sonorous voice in that song myself :)
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Jan 31 2013, 3:33pm
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Being quite familiar with the English language,
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I can't stand dubbed movies...
I watch them in English with subtitles (which I rarely read anyway)
But it's not common in Norway to dub live action movies anyway, so I'm glad I'm used to English movies with subtitles!
I actually like having English subtitles instead of Norwegian, because, well, it's closer (or spot on) to what the characters actually say in the movie, which doesn't take me out of the movie 
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MTT Gandalf
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Jan 31 2013, 6:27pm
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Hungarian subtitle with original english voices was only in 2D-format.
3D, IMAX 3D and HFR 3D are all subbed.
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Lusitano
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Jan 31 2013, 10:28pm
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