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Aragalen the Green
Gondor


Jan 25 2013, 5:25am

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Colonies indeed! [In reply to] Can't Post

Good one, I forgot about that! Assuming it's Nicotiana.

There it is: dwarves are not heroes, but calculating folk with a great idea of the value of money; some are tricky and treacherous and pretty bad lots; some are not, but are decent enough people like Thorin and Company, if you don't expect too much.


swordwhale
Tol Eressea


Jan 25 2013, 5:26am

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words...taken...right... from my mouth... [In reply to] Can't Post


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That's part of their attractiveness! they aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer but they are wicked with their weapons and fabulous to look at!

i never thought i'd find the dwarves attractive. peter jackson is a genius!


Elves, it was always about the elves... durin you PJ!!!

And then there's Bofur. Itotally agree with a young lady who posted a clip of James Nesbitt wryly noting that "you go into the makeup trailer looking like George Clooney, and come out looking like Bofur"... young lady posted: Bofur> George Clooney.

I can't figure it out, is it the hat? I um, yeah, I um... yeah... eat your heart out George.

Go outside and play...


Old Toby
Grey Havens


Jan 25 2013, 5:29am

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That's part of their attractiveness! they aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer but they are wicked with their weapons and fabulous to look at!

i never thought i'd find the dwarves attractive. peter jackson is a genius!


Elves, it was always about the elves... durin you PJ!!!

And then there's Bofur. Itotally agree with a young lady who posted a clip of James Nesbitt wryly noting that "you go into the makeup trailer looking like George Clooney, and come out looking like Bofur"... young lady posted: Bofur> George Clooney.

I can't figure it out, is it the hat? I um, yeah, I um... yeah... eat your heart out George.



Personally I'd much rather have dinner with Bofur!!!

"Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)


swordwhale
Tol Eressea


Jan 25 2013, 5:32am

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male eye candy... [In reply to] Can't Post

"i get the impression that there are a number of women here who really like the look of the three "royal" dwarves (Thorin, Fili, Kili). And, i also get the impression that a goodly number of us aren't high school girls ooohing and ahing over the latest rock star. So, my question is, do you normally like men with long wild hair and rugged good looks? or, is it a rare occasion? I'm almost embarrassed to admit that i actually find that unorthodox, almost rebellious appearance attractive. totally impractical in the real world, imo. otoh, i guess a professional middle aged woman like myself could have eye candy on her arm. lol "

I guess I've always been a fan of the "fantasy archetype", wild horse mane, rugged good looks, piercing hawklike gaze, clothing that looks like it would survive a year in the wild... can't stand suits. Maybe it's just me. No wait, my tumblr feed is full of women with the same problem.

What's interesting is, they are not all ooooohing and ahhhhhing over the three "royals". There are many of the others that have a fan base. Bofur and Ori especially. I happen to find Bofur ridiculously attractive... ???? I asked myself ????? Perhaps it's the grin, or the crinkly eyes. Or maybe it's the memes a few women have posted like "you call him in the middle of the night and he says 'nice to hear your voice"... or... "all the fangirls are going crazy over Fili and Kili, he's happy for them..." in other words, they're over sparkly and into real character.

It's the hat.

Go outside and play...


swordwhale
Tol Eressea


Jan 25 2013, 5:34am

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Someone wondered (someplace) if anyone confuses Fili with Thorin during the action shots. I do! I know their costumes are different but when it's moving that fast, it can get difficult to tell the two dark haired hunk of dwarves apart. if it's not close enough, i can't see the fur on Thorin's coat.


You mean Kili. :) Kili is the dark haired dwarf who looks similar to Thorin.


someone noted that is was easy to remember which was which in this year's MerryandPippin offering: Kili the Kid (youngest of the bretheren).

Go outside and play...


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Jan 25 2013, 6:27am

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Totally disagree on the Wargs. While it might have been better to have them more grey or black, predominantly, they DEFINITELY had a wolvish look to them [In reply to] Can't Post

They were clearly not proper wolves, by any stretch, but seeing them, Wolves (with a hint of something feline) were what most came to mind, if the wolves were abnormally large, evil and demonically posessed, as wargs are. They fit the look, if not of true wolves, then at least of many of the werewolf types we have often seen in film. The Snout may have been a little wide, but the setting of the eyes and the forward shape of the head was generally right. I did not get the hyena impression that the "wargs" in The Two Towers gave off. I was very pleased with the improvement. I can buy these wargs as giant, demon inhabited wolves in a way I simply could not begin to do with the Towers variant.

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2.American robin... um, it's a member of the thrush family! I thought too it seemed odd to see such a familiar critter in... Middle Earth?!?!?

4.Wargs: in the art book, much is made of the wargs being based on wolves. I don't see this in the final product. Modern audiences don't do Big Bad Wolf any more, Wolf is more a symbol of the vanishing wild. The wargs seem to echo a lot of hyena design (hyenas are NOT in the canid predator line, but in the felid line) (suborder feliforms of the Carnivora). I also went..." what else does that look like???" and found: Andrewsarchus (totally sounds like: Andy Serkis)... a member of the clade Mesonychia, order Artiodactyla, lived in the Eocene, and was indeed the size of the wargs in the film. It had small hooves where most predators have claws. Look up images of it, it's precisely a warg!

6. I found it odd that it is Bofur (not line of Durin, some miner from waytheheck out there in the boonies) who seconds Dwalin's question "should we follow it or no?" Of course Thorin was saying nothing, he knew where Gandalf was leading them and he didn't like it.

Radagast surely didn’t hear that spooky shape holler out “I AM A NECROMANCER! MUAHAHAHA!”, did he? LaughLaughLaughLaugh

10. When they stop for the head-count after escaping Goblin-town, and discover Bilbo missing, Kili looks wildly around for Bilbo – but is looking at the ground, as if Bilbo might be a lost bag or package that someone dropped. LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh It's a Kili thing. Bless that lad...

Thorin... hair.... majestic. Some day, majestic hair will be back in fashion for males in our own culture. (So Tired of Shaved Heads...)Tongue

15. SlySlySlySlySlySlySlySly that's what I thought!


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


swordwhale
Tol Eressea


Jan 25 2013, 6:41am

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I must return to LOTR and eyeball those wargs again... [In reply to] Can't Post

it's been awhile...

I'm fairly sure the designers were thinking hugemongous demonic mutated corrupted wolf (most of the early designs were exceedingly wolfish), much like the orcs are mutated corrupted Elves.

I'm still rooting for Andrewsarchus, it's just such a cool critter...

Go outside and play...


Rostron2
Gondor


Jan 25 2013, 8:07am

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Congrats on viewing 11, better make it a dozen... [In reply to] Can't Post

2. The bird that tells Radagast about the Necromancer is an American robin (I’ve seen it pointed out elsewhere that it is a robin, but both the UK and New Zealand have unrelated species that are also called robins). Now, I find this American robin to be particularly out of place: they are native to North America, so not only are there none in the UK (and so should be none in Middle-earth), but there are none in NZ either (so no inspiration for them being in New Zealand-flavoured Middle-earth).

Strictly speaking, there is no North America in the Third Age nor NZ for that matter....Species migrated later on after the Fourth Age, I suppose.

7. Saruman’s line at the White Council: (approximately) “…who calls himself a necromancer…”. Now this is interesting: what evidence is there that said being (?) “calls himself” such? Has someone actually spoken with him? Radagast surely didn’t hear that spooky shape holler out “I AM A NECROMANCER! MUAHAHAHA!”, did he?

Come on, they read it in a magazine: Legendary Sorcerors of the Third Age. More seriously, I suppose you can put it down to some kind of lore. I need to look and see how long the Necromancer was around before the events depicted.


Roheryn
Grey Havens

Jan 25 2013, 9:28am

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Ah, well... [In reply to] Can't Post

he's been saying he needs to get his eyes checked. Smile

I thought I was doing pretty good getting him along to his #4, so I may have to wait til the DVD is out (late March?!?) before we figure those runes out.


Roheryn
Grey Havens

Jan 25 2013, 9:32am

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He tries! :-) [In reply to] Can't Post

(*waves hi to Mr. Ro*)

Of course! That little bird sure gets around...


Roheryn
Grey Havens

Jan 25 2013, 9:35am

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Right! Typo... ;-) [In reply to] Can't Post

I was trying to keep that straight and you're right, of course. Bofur is, I believe, right behind Bifur. Still think the pushing's funny. I'm not convinced Bifur's not bright, he's just a bit in his own world. He's quick to the attack, though, when required!


Roheryn
Grey Havens

Jan 25 2013, 9:44am

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Oooh, yes... [In reply to] Can't Post

I earned a free movie with last night's viewing, so naturally I'm headed back as soon as I can!

I thought it interesting, too, that the Council called him "a" necromancer, suggesting maybe that there are or have been or at least could be some other necromancers. You know, in the book, there isn't any explanation of why he's called the Necromancer. Just what has he done (in the book) to earn that title? I don't think there's ever even any description of Sauron engaging in necromancy in LOTR; maybe there is somewhere else? My resident loremaster is asleep so can't ask him right now.


Roheryn
Grey Havens

Jan 25 2013, 9:55am

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And the dwarves groomed by uncles... [In reply to] Can't Post

well, they must have had to figure it out on their own. At least, Fili's figured out the braiding thing. I don't think Kili's quite got there yet, bless him.

I have to sympathize with the 'Ri brothers' mom. One just doesn't have any energy left by the time #3 comes along. Poor Ori. Maybe eventually big bro Dori will teach him a thing or two about hair. Or maybe Ori will hit a streak of teenage rebellion and try to one-up Nori's starfish 'do: the Octopus 'Do!


Roheryn
Grey Havens

Jan 25 2013, 10:00am

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Considering how quickly the rest of the company showed up(they were already moving behind Kili in tne background when he finishes saying "drop him", you can see them in the background),

Really? 11 viewings and I've missed the rest of the company behind Kili right then? LOL!!! I've never been able to take my eyes off Kili as he flourishes his sword and says "DROP HIM!" with that adorable fierceness. Guess I've still got something to look for in #12!


Roheryn
Grey Havens

Jan 25 2013, 10:05am

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So are you suggesting I can't tell the difference between feet and... [In reply to] Can't Post

well, you-knows? Wink LOL! Might need a pause button to see whether that Warg has an Orc foot where his you-know should be...


imin
Valinor


Jan 25 2013, 10:08am

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They were clearly not proper wolves, by any stretch, but seeing them, Wolves (with a hint of something feline) were what most came to mind, if the wolves were abnormally large, evil and demonically posessed, as wargs are. They fit the look, if not of true wolves, then at least of many of the werewolf types we have often seen in film. The Snout may have been a little wide, but the setting of the eyes and the forward shape of the head was generally right. I did not get the hyena impression that the "wargs" in The Two Towers gave off. I was very pleased with the improvement. I can buy these wargs as giant, demon inhabited wolves in a way I simply could not begin to do with the Towers variant.

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The eyes are too far apart and the ears are coming off the top/side of the head sticking outwards, where as a wolf they are much more on top.

Generally they are a better effort that LOTR where they were terrible, still not perfect though and would have liked something more wolf like as body shape wise they are not a wolf, their head is probably the most wolf like but still not there.

Saying all that i doubt they could make it look just like a wolf as people would be up in arms saying how the film portrays wolves in a bad light etc etc. So they had to do something different, plus its not meant to be a full on wolf but a warg - though from the books it seems they are meant to be very similar looking/the same.

For me they are not a wolf/warg but some kinda wolf/hyena hybrid which is essentially a PJ warg. Could have been better but some things were really good about them - their mouths, in particular the teeth and gingiva were very well done and glistened like normal gingiva does.


Roheryn
Grey Havens

Jan 25 2013, 10:18am

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I love how this thread gets hijacked by hair. Smile

I wonder if replicas of that clip will ever be available?

Ummm, yes, I certainly can't speak for all of us but I know a fair few of us who are captivated by Thorin's manliness (and occasionally by Fili and Kili too) are in a slightly older age bracket. Have to admit when I was in high school I happily drooled over the latest rock stars...and the longer the hair, the better. Still like long hair, but am so not interested (naturally, now I'm older) in the mindless self-obsessed rock star attitude now. Doesn't matter what looks go along with that attitude either, it's just not attractive. On the other hand, let's just say Thorin presents himself well in more ways than one. Wink


dernwyn
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jan 25 2013, 11:21am

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Adding one more thought... [In reply to] Can't Post

In the book, right after they are landed at Carrock, don't they all go down to the river and...ah...bathe? Angelic

I wonder what kind of scene will start DoS...


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"I desired dragons with a profound desire"






Angharad73
Rohan

Jan 25 2013, 11:34am

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I like scruffy men, I freely admit it. Elves and all that are nice to look at (Legolas, for example is sooo pretty), but when it comes down to it, I'll take a man with crazy hair and stubble on his chin, thank you very much. Cool All that prettiness looks too good for daily wear and tear, if you know what I mean.

In LOTR I preferred the likes of Aragon, Boromir and Faramir over the likes of Legolas and all the rest of the elves, because they have beards,stubble, look unwashed and have shaggy hair at times.The royal dwarf trio does appeal to me - Thorin most of all, because he is a bit older than the other two and more mature - for those kind of reasons as well.

Bofur, I think, has the added bonus of being very good-humoured and funny - isn't a great sense of humour something that is very desirable in a man? And then there's the hat, of course - not everyone can pull off wearing that sort of hat every day. I also rather like Dwalin, I must confess. Must be the tattoos... Angelic


Alcarcalime
Tol Eressea


Jan 25 2013, 11:35am

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2. The bird that tells Radagast about the Necromancer is an American robin (I’ve seen it pointed out elsewhere that it is a robin, but both the UK and New Zealand have unrelated species that are also called robins). Now, I find this American robin to be particularly out of place: they are native to North America, so not only are there none in the UK (and so should be none in Middle-earth), but there are none in NZ either (so no inspiration for them being in New Zealand-flavoured Middle-earth).


When I saw the American Robin, I said to myself *someone must have told an American CGI artist to draw a bird, so he drew one familiar to an American!* The sound was American Robin sound, so the Americans in the Sound Dept. had the correct bird sound ready.




Elvanui
Rivendell


Jan 25 2013, 11:57am

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Yes they do! [In reply to] Can't Post

'They all took off their clothes and bathed in the stream.' It's one of my 'What are you looking forward to in the next film' scenes. Wink It's canon!

"...under all there was a great joy: a fountain of mirth enough to set a kingdom laughing, were it to gush forth."


marillaraina
Rohan

Jan 25 2013, 1:44pm

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Considering how quickly the rest of the company showed up(they were already moving behind Kili in tne background when he finishes saying "drop him", you can see them in the background),

Really? 11 viewings and I've missed the rest of the company behind Kili right then? LOL!!! I've never been able to take my eyes off Kili as he flourishes his sword and says "DROP HIM!" with that adorable fierceness. Guess I've still got something to look for in #12!


I only noticed it because I've watched the gifset of him flourishing his sword with adorable, yet sexy, fierceness about twice that much. :D Actually I think you can really see them just before Bilbo gets thrown at him but they'd obviously been moving into position. But you can see the bushes moving behind him during the "drop him" part.


Retro315
Rivendell

Jan 25 2013, 1:56pm

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One thing I've noticed, between re-watches, since I have a huge poster of Middle-earth on my wall; when Gandalf begins telling Bilbo and the dwarves about the wizards, they're barely out of the Shire, possibly just leaving nearing, or leaving Bree (but presumably not yet to Weathertop).

Simultaneously, Radagast is at Rhosgobel. Radagast then travels (quite far) to Dol Guldur.

The distance from Bree to the Trollshaws is not THAT FAR DIFFERENT the distances from Rhosgobel to Trollshaws. And Radagast is traveling faster than the leisurely pace of Gandalf on a pony, so south, then north again, over river and mountain aren't gigantic time obstacles.

If the entire trek from The Shire to Rivendell took some serious time, Radagast could've made it. The dilemma comes from the passage of time not really being shown all that much - perhaps it'll be more overt in the EE.


bborchar
Rohan


Jan 25 2013, 3:21pm

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I know what I like... [In reply to] Can't Post

...authoritative men (in fantasy). There's something attractive about someone with a commanding presence...throw in a nice accent, and I melt (previous crushes in included Sean Connery, Patrick Stewart, Colin Firth, Hugh Jackman and Russell Crowe). I can go for rugged or refined...as long as the character seems assured of himself. But he also has to have a soft side, even if is only for a moment or two. They also have to be intelligent...I went for that in real life ;) It's all in fun, though. And I freely talk about my crushes to my husband, lol.


Lily Fairbairn
Half-elven


Jan 25 2013, 3:49pm

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When we're talking about Hair of LotR... [In reply to] Can't Post

...let's not forget to include Eomer, who's not only Hair but Heir. Tongue

I'll go back to contemplating the royal dwarf trio now, never mind that RA was born the year I married, sigh.



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