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Some geeky (or otherwise) observations, and questions that need answering

Roheryn
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Jan 1 2013, 8:17am

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Just got back from viewing #4 and while I wait (eagerly!) for gramma's official Geeky Observations, I'll share mine. Feel free to clarify if I got something wrong -- I was really wishing I had pen and paper to scribble my thoughts down.

Thoughts, musings, answers, additions, corrections, or even funny noises welcome!

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There’s a basket of apples by (young) Bilbo’s front door – the perfect thing for a walk, according to Sam in LOTR (book), and what we see hobbits (is it just Merry? I forget now) eating in FotR (movie).

Young Bilbo’s Bag End is perfectly, Martha-Stewartly-tidy, in stark contrast to the absolute clutter of old Bilbo’s Bag End.

Dwalin and two other dwarves (I think it was Ori and Oin but I could be remembering wrong) stand in the doorway to the right when Thorin enters Bag End; Oin and Ori bow their heads to him as he walks in, Dwalin doesn’t.

Thorin gives Gandalf a glimmer of a knowing smile when Kili enthusiastically asks Gandalf how many dragons he’s killed.

Dwalin has letters “B” and “A”, if I remember right, tattoed on two knuckles (couldn’t see the others) – “Bad Ass”?

When Bofur teases Bilbo mercilessly about how Smaug will roast him alive, Bilbo finally concludes “No” and falls flat to the floor. Gandalf pushes past Bofur muttering sarcastically, “Very helpful, Bofur” (or words to that effect). Is that the only time we’ve seen Gandalf be sarcastic?

The look that passes between Balin and Gandalf when Thorin says that Azog was slain long ago. They obviously don’t believe that is true. Why not?

One of the Dwarves (I think Dori, but could be remembering wrong) appears to spear a troll up his backside during the troll fight.

When Thorin kicks Kili in the back right after Kili denies having worms, and then Kili and the other Dwarves cotton on and start proclaiming how infested they are, I can’t help but think it’s like something straight out of Monty Python. (I love Thorin’s eye roll there, too.)

I love Thorin’s look at Kili as they huddle below the rock with the Orc and Warg over them: he looks at Kili (“You!”), looks pointedly down at Kili’s bow (“Use that thing!”), and nods his head up at the Orc (“NOW!”).

Thorin’s fighting style, at least post-Azanulbizar, appears to have far more flair and panache than anyone else’s; tough warrior Dwalin is fierce but business-like, and while most of the others come across as superb fighters, I don’t think they can match those two. (Is Thorin’s style less developed in the Battle of Azanulbizar?)

NZ Strider wants to know if Lorien has any tailors, and if so why they haven’t managed to hem Galadriel’s dress adequately. What was it made for, an entwife?

After the stone giant crash, when Thorin sees that the other dwarves are okay, he’s clearly still focused just on his nephew, and says with a moan of relief what sounds like “Oh, Kili, oh…”.

Also after the stone giant crash and subsequent reunion, just after Thorin ushers them into shelter, we see Fili crouched over Kili, holding his hand, before Kili gets up. What a lovely touch between the brothers. (Or is it just Fili giving Kili a hand up? I like the idea of holding hands better.)


Vaire
The Shire


Jan 1 2013, 8:56am

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The look that passes between Balin and Gandalf when Thorin says that Azog was slain long ago. They obviously don’t believe that is true. Why not?


I think it's more that they know there is no absolute proof that Azog is dead. Thorin has convinced himself that it's true, and perhaps doesn't want to contemplate the alternative. Balin and Gandalf are just being more practical.


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When Thorin kicks Kili in the back right after Kili denies having worms, and then Kili and the other Dwarves cotton on and start proclaiming how infested they are, I can’t help but think it’s like something straight out of Monty Python. (I love Thorin’s eye roll there, too.)


Maybe I just have a crude sense of humour, but I love that scene.




dubulous
Rohan

Jan 1 2013, 9:09am

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Perhaps Galadriel's dress is to hide the fact she is actually a dwarf on stilts. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


DanielLB
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Jan 1 2013, 9:13am

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One of the Dwarves (I think Dori, but could be remembering wrong) appears to spear a troll up his backside during the troll fight.


And I think he kicked him. Poor Troll.

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Roheryn
Grey Havens

Jan 1 2013, 10:16am

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When Thorin kicks Kili in the back right after Kili denies having worms, and then Kili and the other Dwarves cotton on and start proclaiming how infested they are, I can’t help but think it’s like something straight out of Monty Python. (I love Thorin’s eye roll there, too.)


Maybe I just have a crude sense of humour, but I love that scene.




Actually, I love that bit too. I also find it funny that at first only Thorin gets what Bilbo is trying to do.


Kangi Ska
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Jan 1 2013, 11:05am

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entmaiden
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Jan 1 2013, 1:33pm

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Right before the stone giant separates Fili and Kili by standing up, one of them yells to the other "Take my hand!" in an effort to stay together, but they can't bridge the distance. I love seeing the interaction between the two brothers.


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Macfeast
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Jan 1 2013, 1:47pm

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Dwalin's knuckles spell out "Baruk Khazad". // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Ruxendil_Thoorg
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Jan 1 2013, 2:05pm

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Thanks for the list Roheryn! Really good observations.

Especially about Dwalin not bowing to Thorin. I hadn't noticed that, even after 2 viewings. That's mighty interesting. Loyal but not subservient? Is there no one Dwalin would bow to? Maybe Dwalin will bow to Thorin before the end of TABA?


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Thorin’s fighting style, at least post-Azanulbizar, appears to have far more flair and panache than anyone else’s; tough warrior Dwalin is fierce but business-like, and while most of the others come across as superb fighters, I don’t think they can match those two. (Is Thorin’s style less developed in the Battle of Azanulbizar?)


I think Balin showed even more sword skill and flair than Thorin did. During a brief shot during the Goblin Town escape, Balin was shown doing some rapid blade flourishes (moulinets, to be technical) during combat. I think Balin is supposed to be the fighter who relies the most on skill and finesse, in contrast to Dwalin who relies on muscle and brute strength. Thorin also showed quite a bit of skill but not to the extent shown by Balin. Thorin seems to rely on a bit of both skill and strength, plus his royal-born courage.


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When Thorin kicks Kili in the back right after Kili denies having worms, and then Kili and the other Dwarves cotton on and start proclaiming how infested they are, I can’t help but think it’s like something straight out of Monty Python. (I love Thorin’s eye roll there, too.)


This was a great bit Laugh It was Oin who says: "I've got parasites the size of me arm!" And Kili hastily chimes in with something similar. I was watching for this especially during my 2nd viewing, because after the 1st viewing I wasn't sure if it was Oin or Gloin who said the line, and also I was listening for the exact line during 2nd viewing, which i couldn't quite remember from the 1st viewing.

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ShireHorse
Rohan

Jan 1 2013, 2:56pm

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Great list, Roheryn! [In reply to] Can't Post

Richard Armitage said that he tried to make the fighting styles of Young Thorin and Older Thorin different to indicate the differences in age and experience. You noticed. I think he would be pleased, LOL!

Somewhere I read that Galadriel's dress was so heavily weighed down with crystals that the material stretched and it had to be hacked off at the bottom at the last minute.


Lily Fairbairn
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Jan 1 2013, 3:13pm

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Following on, I like Bilbo sneaking his pony (Myrtle?) an apple. That reminded me of Merry and Pippin and their apples. And when we first see Frodo at Bag End, he's eating an apple.

The dwarves lining up inside the gate of Erebor as Smaug crashes through reminded me of the Gondorians lining up inside the gate of Minas Tirith as Grond crashes through.

But then, there are lots of scenes that are shot from the same angles, etc., as in LotR. Like Thorin cutting off Azog's hand the way Isildur cuts off Sauron's. Thorin shouting "Dragon!" the same way one of Faramir's rangers shouts "Nazgul!" Thorin screaming "Nooo!" as Thror is killed the way Frodo shouts "Nooo!" as Gandalf falls. (That "Nooo!" is a movie cliche, though.)

Gollum says "up up" in the same voice he says "up up" to Frodo and Sam before they climb the stairs outside Minas Morgul....

You'd think these movies were related somehow Tongue




Magpie
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Jan 1 2013, 3:19pm

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Gollum sings a song ... [In reply to] Can't Post

...that has the same tune as the one he sings at the Forbidden Pool. By time I realized it was the same tune, it was too late to catch the lyrics so I don't know if the words are the same or just the tune.

Come to think of it, in TTT, he's bashing a fish against a rock. Is he singing that song when he's basing the Goblin with a rock?


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Lily Fairbairn
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Jan 1 2013, 3:27pm

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I think that's his bashing song, yes [In reply to] Can't Post

And a heartfelt yecccchhh! to that thought! Unsure




Eleniel
Tol Eressea


Jan 1 2013, 3:35pm

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The song he's singing in AUJ [In reply to] Can't Post

uses lines from the "Fish" riddle - "alive with breath, as cold as death, etc..."


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Bladerunner
Gondor


Jan 1 2013, 3:36pm

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Observation: Were the dwarves using Rivendell furniture for firewood? [In reply to] Can't Post

Between that and the table that Bombur broke, I won't be surprised if Elrond shows up at Battle of Five Armies demanding compensation for the damage to Celebrían's favorite parlor furniture.
Including compensation for mental anguish and sentimental value ;0).



ryouko
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Jan 1 2013, 3:49pm

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Right before the stone giant separates Fili and Kili by standing up, one of them yells to the other "Take my hand!" in an effort to stay together, but they can't bridge the distance. I love seeing the interaction between the two brothers.


I loved that as well! I look forward to seeing more interactions between those two in the next movies. I'm sure it'll make the final scene even more poignant.

ARGH!!! 2014 hurry up and get here already! No...wait...don't. Not sure I'm ready for the ending of it yet. Unsure


Magpie
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Jan 1 2013, 3:52pm

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The TTT one also comes from a riddle [In reply to] Can't Post

but I think (I'd have to go recheck the entire riddle in Riddles in the Dark) that the lines in TTT are from the additional lines added when he retells it to Sam in the Dead Marshes.

http://www.amagpiesnest.com/...ollums_fish_song.htm

Thanks for confirming the AUJ lines.


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Kimtc
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Jan 1 2013, 4:00pm

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Between that and the table that Bombur broke, I won't be surprised if Elrond shows up at Battle of Five Armies demanding compensation for the damage to Celebrían's favorite parlor furniture.
Including compensation for mental anguish and sentimental value ;0).


I saw that and thought it was a great bit. You could read it as their dislike of elves, or just general lack of decorum.


Joe-Mathews
Rivendell


Jan 1 2013, 4:39pm

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Especially about Dwalin not bowing to Thorin. I hadn't noticed that, even after 2 viewings. That's mighty interesting. Loyal but not subservient? Is there no one Dwalin would bow to? Maybe Dwalin will bow to Thorin before the end of TABA?


King Thror was killed at Azanulbizar which left Thrain King. While the dwarves knew Thrain went mad in grief and went missing, none knew if Thorin's father was actually dead. Thorin hopes he is not, hope he is found, and doesn't want to usurp the throne. Balin, when recounting the story of Azanulbizar, says about Thorin, "There is one whom I can follow as king." -- Not king, Just as if he could be king. Both Balin and Dwalin are recognizing Thorin's desire to serve in Thrain's absence. Therefore, Dwalin in being respectful by not bowing to Thorin. The younger dwarves, likely not ever having known Thrain, already consider Thorin king.

This is a story change that makes finding Thrain necessary to the film.

Dwalin will correctly bow to Thorin once Thrain is dead.

'There is some woe that lies upon you... Why will you not tell me more?'
'For that woe is past,' said Galadriel; 'and I would take what joy is here left, untroubled by memory. And maybe there is woe enough yet to come, thought still hope may seem bright.'


Bladerunner
Gondor


Jan 1 2013, 4:49pm

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Use of colloquialisms... [In reply to] Can't Post

Ori says something about sticking something up Smaug's "Jackson."

Nori says something about seeing Bilbo sneaking away right when the goblin's "collared" them.

Those terms seemed a bit too slangy for me and momentarily took me out of the Middle-earth experience.



Joe-Mathews
Rivendell


Jan 1 2013, 4:59pm

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Young Bilbo’s Bag End is perfectly, Martha-Stewartly-tidy, in stark contrast to the absolute clutter of old Bilbo’s Bag End.

Old Bilbo's Bag End was very messy. I don't believe this is due to him loosening up after his journey. It is his obsession with the One Ring growing on him. Remember at the beginning of LotR, he momentarily thinks he's lost the Ring, tears the place apart, and then finds it in his pocket. He doesn't clean the place up.

At the beginning of The Hobbit movie, Frodo brings him the invitation replies and it's like he completely forgot about the party. Also the hoarding of the silverware -- yeah, Lobelia stole the spoons 60 years ago, but the utter panic about precious things being stolen...

While sad to think, I think the messiness was due to the madness from possessing the Ring. All this madness and messiness is very movie bound. I don't recall Bilbo being so obsessed in FotR book.



'There is some woe that lies upon you... Why will you not tell me more?'
'For that woe is past,' said Galadriel; 'and I would take what joy is here left, untroubled by memory. And maybe there is woe enough yet to come, thought still hope may seem bright.'


Bladerunner
Gondor


Jan 1 2013, 5:01pm

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When Thorin melts into the shadows after observing a gold-obsessed Thror from the distance.... [In reply to] Can't Post

reminded me of when Isuldur turns his back on Elrond at the Sammath Naur, after deciding to keep the one ring.

But this time, the roles are reversed, with Thorin being on the side of reason and Isuldur on the side of madness ...



Joe-Mathews
Rivendell


Jan 1 2013, 5:11pm

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Ori says something about sticking something up Smaug's "Jackson"


Jacksy = English slang for bottom, backside, arse...



'There is some woe that lies upon you... Why will you not tell me more?'
'For that woe is past,' said Galadriel; 'and I would take what joy is here left, untroubled by memory. And maybe there is woe enough yet to come, thought still hope may seem bright.'


Bladerunner
Gondor


Jan 1 2013, 5:24pm

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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 1 2013, 5:33pm

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One of the Dwarves on the spit [In reply to] Can't Post

says something like" we're riddled with parasites"--was it Ori or Bofur?

Love this scene! The look on Bilbo's face...and the ponies have names (all I can remember now is Myrtle. Maybe Sally?)

" Well well!", said a voice. "Just look! Bilbo the hobbit on a pony, my dear! Isn't it delicious!"
"Most astonishing wonderful!"


florian
The Shire

Jan 1 2013, 5:40pm

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I thought it was Fili [In reply to] Can't Post

in the stone giant crash, not Kili. It certainly looked like him, the hair was blonde and I'm sure Thorin called out "Fili!"


Rostron2
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Jan 1 2013, 6:08pm

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Just got back from viewing #4 and while I wait (eagerly!) for gramma's official Geeky Observations, I'll share mine. Feel free to clarify if I got something wrong -- I was really wishing I had pen and paper to scribble my thoughts down.

Thoughts, musings, answers, additions, corrections, or even funny noises welcome!

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When Bofur teases Bilbo mercilessly about how Smaug will roast him alive, Bilbo finally concludes “No” and falls flat to the floor. Gandalf pushes past Bofur muttering sarcastically, “Very helpful, Bofur” (or words to that effect). Is that the only time we’ve seen Gandalf be sarcastic?




We've seen Pippin get far worse treatment in LOTR


Roheryn
Grey Havens

Jan 1 2013, 6:42pm

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Neat comparison. [In reply to] Can't Post

I hadn't thought of the Isildur/Elrond connection, but I had thought about Thorin melting into the shadows. I thought that moment was especially poignant because there he recognizes the sickness taking hold of Thror and clearly distances himself from it -- yet this is exactly the affliction that we're expecting him to succumb to in DoS or TABA. He didn't learn his lesson well enough.


Roheryn
Grey Havens

Jan 1 2013, 6:46pm

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I watched that whole scene really carefully this time, and found it hard to keep track of which young dwarf was with which group. But I was pretty sure Thorin did yell out "KILI!" when the giant crashed, and quite sure Thorin quietly moaned "Kili" when they were discovered unharmed, and that it was Fili standing over Kili holding Kili's hand just as that scene ends (suggesting it was Kili who had crashed, not Fili). It all goes by so quickly though that the details are hard to see and I could be wrong!


Roheryn
Grey Havens

Jan 1 2013, 7:16pm

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Ah, thanks. [In reply to] Can't Post

But I did like seeing just the "B-A" and thinking "Bad Ass".


Ruxendil_Thoorg
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Jan 1 2013, 7:16pm

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Great point! [In reply to] Can't Post

I was somehow thinking that Thorin would be at least presumed King after Thrain's absence for so long, but now I see that I jumped the gun on that. Thanks for clearing that up for me Joe-Mathews!

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Ruxendil_Thoorg
Tol Eressea


Jan 1 2013, 7:21pm

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that sounds somewhat familiar [In reply to] Can't Post

but not sure. I'll have to look out for it on my 3rd viewing. Sounds like something Bofur would say.

Yeah I think Sally was one of the names but I can't remember any others.

It's good they gave the ponies names, to be consistent with FOTR/Bill the Pony.

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Eleniel
Tol Eressea


Jan 1 2013, 7:29pm

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More correctly, [In reply to] Can't Post

it's "jacksie"

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jacksie


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Frodo Baggins
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Jan 1 2013, 8:04pm

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Pony names [In reply to] Can't Post

I think I may of heard the names Daisy and Bongo, not sure though.

May of been said before but I noticed that Oin had picked his squashed ear trumpet and was using it at the Carrock when Thorin was speaking.

Also at the Carrock, Bifur does not know where he is and looking around in shock

I love the way sting stops glowing when Gollum kills the goblin and then Bilbo's expression knowing that Gollum can kill.


Retro315
Rivendell

Jan 1 2013, 8:06pm

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If you watch with it in mind, the fact that this is a movie about a family of dwarves and their hired help becomes hilariously clear, as well as giving you the real reason for Thorin's claim about loyalty at the beginning.

They don't harp on about it, but the Longbeard cousins are consistently more stern, serious, and considered warriors (albeit 'old warriors'), whether it be Thorin's stoicism, the obvious importance of the Sons of Fundin, but also the skill and respect of the Sons of Groin - they're so tight with their cousin Thorin they're willing to pick a fight with Elrond's folk.

Thorin tells Gloin to 'get a fire going' multiple times, and it's Oin and Gloin who factor the prophecy and discuss the ravens and thrushes at the end.

There's a lot to like about the other two merchant/tradesman class families as well - Bofur was a good choice for an 'everyman dwarf' who can relate a little easier to Bilbo.

But this is all about the Longbeards and there's tons of little touches to reinforce that.


DanielLB
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Jan 1 2013, 8:08pm

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May of been said before but I noticed that Oin had picked his squashed ear trumpet and was using it at the Carrock when Thorin was speaking.


Directly after they escape Goblintown, as Bilbo shows up. Not sure why though, it can't amplify the sounds anymore.

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Aragalen the Green
Gondor


Jan 1 2013, 8:13pm

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I love the way sting stops glowing when Gollum kills the goblin and then Bilbo's expression knowing that Gollum can kill.

and also lets Bilbo know that Gollum is not a goblin.

" Well well!", said a voice. "Just look! Bilbo the hobbit on a pony, my dear! Isn't it delicious!"
"Most astonishing wonderful!"


Hamfast
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Jan 1 2013, 8:35pm

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A couple Bifur observations .... [In reply to] Can't Post

that drew unexpected laughter at all 5 viewings....

When he walks up to Gandalf in Bag End, presumably attempting to communicate with him, he just kind of grunts incoherently, and then gives him what appears to be a 'derogatory gesture' Laugh

I also love it when Bifur is attempting to roast lettuce over the fire in Rivendell Laugh


CathrineB
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Jan 1 2013, 8:55pm

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I watched that whole scene really carefully this time, and found it hard to keep track of which young dwarf was with which group. But I was pretty sure Thorin did yell out "KILI!" when the giant crashed, and quite sure Thorin quietly moaned "Kili" when they were discovered unharmed, and that it was Fili standing over Kili holding Kili's hand just as that scene ends (suggesting it was Kili who had crashed, not Fili). It all goes by so quickly though that the details are hard to see and I could be wrong!



Bladerunner
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Jan 1 2013, 8:56pm

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I was looking forward to seeing Bifur eating the yellow decorative flowers during the dinner scene at Rivendell [In reply to] Can't Post

since he is vegetarian. Hopefully it will be included in the extended edition DVD.

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CathrineB
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Jan 1 2013, 9:25pm

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Where did my reply go in the previous post? *headdesk*
I try again:


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I watched that whole scene really carefully this time, and found it hard to keep track of which young dwarf was with which group. But I was pretty sure Thorin did yell out "KILI!" when the giant crashed, and quite sure Thorin quietly moaned "Kili" when they were discovered unharmed, and that it was Fili standing over Kili holding Kili's hand just as that scene ends (suggesting it was Kili who had crashed, not Fili). It all goes by so quickly though that the details are hard to see and I could be wrong!


I thought it was Bombur Fili was helping up in that scene? Or is it something I have missed? I knew it was Fili that was in the group pancaked to the mountain (but sure sounds like Thorin yelling Kili though).


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Kimtc
Rohan

Jan 1 2013, 9:48pm

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I saw it the way you did, too. [In reply to] Can't Post


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Where did my reply go in the previous post? *headdesk*
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I watched that whole scene really carefully this time, and found it hard to keep track of which young dwarf was with which group. But I was pretty sure Thorin did yell out "KILI!" when the giant crashed, and quite sure Thorin quietly moaned "Kili" when they were discovered unharmed, and that it was Fili standing over Kili holding Kili's hand just as that scene ends (suggesting it was Kili who had crashed, not Fili). It all goes by so quickly though that the details are hard to see and I could be wrong!


I thought it was Bombur Fili was helping up in that scene? Or is it something I have missed? I knew it was Fili that was in the group pancaked to the mountain (but sure sounds like Thorin yelling Kili though).



Roheryn
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Jan 2 2013, 12:44am

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Excellent! I have an excuse for viewing #5. Cool

I really thought it was Kili, but maybe I just wanted to see the brothers holding hands. I'm going to have to watch that whole sequence even more closely next time.


Milknut
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Jan 2 2013, 3:45am

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swordwhale
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Jan 2 2013, 7:56am

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dwarf on stilts.... it's three am.... somehow that's hilarious....

Go outside and play...


swordwhale
Tol Eressea


Jan 2 2013, 7:59am

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stuff you don't notice... [In reply to] Can't Post

... till the 3rd time you see it...

Bilbo rescuing his doily, doiley, thing with the holes in it, someone saying that it has holes in it... Bilbo announcing that "IT IS CROCHET!"

Bofur going: "Oh, that's a nice game..."

(and I heard this part only the thrid time I saw the film)..."if you got the balls for it..."

SlySlySlySlySlySlySlySlySlySlySlyHeartLaughLaughSly

I want the hat.

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swordwhale
Tol Eressea


Jan 2 2013, 8:07am

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Ori says something about sticking something up Smaug's "Jackson."

Nori says something about seeing Bilbo sneaking away right when the goblin's "collared" them.

Those terms seemed a bit too slangy for me and momentarily took me out of the Middle-earth experience.



Interesting observation.Smile

Early in the Hobbit Tolkien (as narrator) says something about English representing the languages of that time in Middle Earth...

...as the Scottish/Irish brogues represent the Dwarves' style of speech, though they really wouldn't sound like Celts...

...so picture the recognizeable slang as representing something they would say... (slightly crude)...

For me, those particular bits of slang sounded yet a bit exotic (maybe they are more British, I am American), and didn't remove me from Middle Earth.

Language in a tale like this does root one in the world of the story, or kick one out of it, and you still have to make the dialog interesting for a modern audience.

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Lindele
Gondor


Jan 2 2013, 1:53pm

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I had the exact same experience. I didn't notice the 'if you've got the balls for it' line until my 3rd viewing.


Aragalen the Green
Gondor


Jan 2 2013, 5:39pm

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Awesome :) [In reply to] Can't Post

I noticed right away (first and only show so far), and remember looking over at my hubby to see if he caught it too (he did).

Do they play croquet in Middle-earth? I sure hope so.

" Well well!", said a voice. "Just look! Bilbo the hobbit on a pony, my dear! Isn't it delicious!"
"Most astonishing wonderful!"


swordwhale
Tol Eressea


Jan 2 2013, 7:33pm

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croquet crochet, tomato, tomahto [In reply to] Can't Post

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Eleniel
Tol Eressea


Jan 2 2013, 9:28pm

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Bilbo says "he's got Myrtle and Minty!"


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Aragalen the Green
Gondor


Jan 2 2013, 9:39pm

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was more for the ponies (that's why he was trying to steal the knife from the troll, to free Myrtle and Minty and sweet little Sally) than the Dwarves.

" Well well!", said a voice. "Just look! Bilbo the hobbit on a pony, my dear! Isn't it delicious!"
"Most astonishing wonderful!"


marillaraina
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Jan 2 2013, 9:39pm

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I thought he said Myrtle and Mindy.

I love that the ponies had names, I wish they'd let them stick around longer. Daisy and Bongo(whom Kili said were missing), Myrtle and Mindy/Minty(whom Bilbo saw being carried off) and I guess it sounds like Sally too had already had quite an adventure being kidnapped by stone trolls, but at least they didn't get eaten by the Goblins. Can't handle that, hurt dogs or horses in a movie and I have a hard time with the rewatch factor. :)


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Aragalen the Green
Gondor


Jan 2 2013, 9:47pm

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It made me think of after-dinner mints or mint sauce.

I think it was Mindy too Wink

" Well well!", said a voice. "Just look! Bilbo the hobbit on a pony, my dear! Isn't it delicious!"
"Most astonishing wonderful!"


marillaraina
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Jan 2 2013, 9:59pm

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...I just noticed when....I uh just noticed it :) is that in the scene with the stone trolls, when they have Bilbo by the arms and the dwarves have to put down their arms. Kili looks really pissed off about it and throws his sword down angrily, Ori has been looking at him and so he sees what Kili does so then Ori gets an angry look on his face and throws his sling shot down angrily. :) It's cute.


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entmaiden
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Jan 2 2013, 11:06pm

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Wasn't one of them named Bungo? [In reply to] Can't Post

I think that's awesome! Bilbo's father!


Eleniel
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Jan 2 2013, 11:58pm

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ryouko
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Jan 3 2013, 2:45am

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... till the 3rd time you see it...

Bilbo rescuing his doily, doiley, thing with the holes in it, someone saying that it has holes in it... Bilbo announcing that "IT IS CROCHET!"

Bofur going: "Oh, that's a nice game..."

(and I heard this part only the thrid time I saw the film)..."if you got the balls for it..."

SlySlySlySlySlySlySlySlySlySlySlyHeartLaughLaughSly

I want the hat.


Caught it the first time. Still funny the 3rd time. Will still be funny in future viewings. Laugh


ryouko
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Jan 3 2013, 2:52am

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...I just noticed when....I uh just noticed it :) is that in the scene with the stone trolls, when they have Bilbo by the arms and the dwarves have to put down their arms. Kili looks really pissed off about it and throws his sword down angrily, Ori has been looking at him and so he sees what Kili does so then Ori gets an angry look on his face and throws his sling shot down angrily. :) It's cute.


I giggle every time I see it. Tries to look so angry and threatening while throwing down a slingshot. Laugh

Speaking of the Troll scene, there's something I can't figure out. It's just after the Trolls have turned to stone and everyone is free. The main characters are in the foreground talking, and in the background there's something happening. There are two or three Dwarves doing something to Bifur. It looks like they're either pulling him out of the ground, or pulling his pants up. I can't tell! But afterwards they give a "job well done" nod. Has anyone else noticed this? If so, any ideas on what they're doing to him?


marillaraina
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Jan 3 2013, 3:22am

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That they are dressing him. But I could be wrong.


Roheryn
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Jan 3 2013, 7:41am

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Speaking of the Troll scene, there's something I can't figure out. It's just after the Trolls have turned to stone and everyone is free. The main characters are in the foreground talking, and in the background there's something happening. There are two or three Dwarves doing something to Bifur. It looks like they're either pulling him out of the ground, or pulling his pants up. I can't tell! But afterwards they give a "job well done" nod. Has anyone else noticed this? If so, any ideas on what they're doing to him?



Pulling him out of the ground, or pulling his pants up! You know the explanation's gotta be good when you can't tell those two things apart. Smile

I'd noticed them doing something to Bifur there but hadn't seen it yet even that clearly. Will try to work it out tomorrow at viewing #5!


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Jan 3 2013, 7:52am

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They were all in the under-garments on the spit roast. Since Bifur is a bit vacant, it makes sense for the others to help it get dressed again.

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CathrineB
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Jan 3 2013, 4:49pm

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I did notice some dwarves pulling pants on Bifur in the background year haha

And in the Frying Pan scene with the wargs. Ori running past Bilbo, hitting a warg over the head with a hammer.
Look here


CathrineB
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Jan 3 2013, 5:20pm

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...I just noticed when....I uh just noticed it :) is that in the scene with the stone trolls, when they have Bilbo by the arms and the dwarves have to put down their arms. Kili looks really pissed off about it and throws his sword down angrily, Ori has been looking at him and so he sees what Kili does so then Ori gets an angry look on his face and throws his sling shot down angrily. :) It's cute.


Lol I didn't notice that.

- Gosh I love too many of the characters lol



malla
Bree

Jan 3 2013, 11:37pm

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Isn't the Hobbit that asks Bilbo (as he's running off to his adventure) where he's going....the same Hobbit who is picking wax out of his ear in LOTR???

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ryouko
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Jan 4 2013, 1:13am

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I did notice some dwarves pulling pants on Bifur in the background year haha

And in the Frying Pan scene with the wargs. Ori running past Bilbo, hitting a warg over the head with a hammer.
Look here


I've seen it three times, but I never caught who it was. Thanks!


ryouko
Lorien

Jan 4 2013, 1:37am

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Lol I didn't notice that.

- Gosh I love too many of the characters lol


I took the Ori pretty quickly. And I'm pretty sure that I'll come to love every one of them before these movies are over. ^_^


ryouko
Lorien

Jan 4 2013, 1:38am

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They were all in the under-garments on the spit roast. Since Bifur is a bit vacant, it makes sense for the others to help it get dressed again.


I thought they were fully clothed still. I'll have too look closely next time.


DanielLB
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Jan 4 2013, 8:38am

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They were clothed, but they didn't have their over-clothes on. Here's what I mean: link

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ryouko
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Jan 4 2013, 11:04pm

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They were clothed, but they didn't have their over-clothes on. Here's what I mean: link


Okay, that helps a lot! Thanks!

So, they mostly just lose their coats and capes. And, in the case of Bifur, their trousers. Wink I must say, it's quite a sight to see Bofur without the hat. He looks less Canadian. Shocked


malla
Bree


Jan 8 2013, 12:50am

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They were all in the under-garments on the spit roast


I bought a book the other day called "The Hobbit, An Unexpected Journey, Chronicles, Art & Design" It is wonderful !!! There is a page in it that has a comment by Ann Maskrey, a costume designer. She describes designing the underwear, giving each a distinct look for each of the individual dwarves.

I recommend the book, by the way. It has wonderful drawings & sketches, showing various designs by different designers along with the finale picture of the characters, sest, weapons, etc., as we see them in the film.

Tenna' ento lye omenta,
Malla


malla
Bree


Jan 8 2013, 12:58am

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Dwalin and two other dwarves (I think it was Ori and Oin but I could be remembering wrong) stand in the doorway to the right when Thorin enters Bag End; Oin and Ori bow their heads to him as he walks in, Dwalin doesn’t.


I don't think anyone has commented on this, Dwalin, Ori and Nori are standing by the door as Thorin enters Bag End. Dwalin does nod his head when Thorin steps in.....then Nori and Ori bow their heads.

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Malla


ryouko
Lorien

Jan 8 2013, 2:53am

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I'll be sure to look for it!!


malla
Bree


Jan 8 2013, 3:26am

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From a previous post where I wrote about dwarven underwear.....


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characters, sest, weapons, etc.,



I meant..... characters, sets, weapons, etc.

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Malla


grammaboodawg
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Jan 15 2013, 1:14am

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swordwhale
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Jan 15 2013, 4:59am

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If you watch with it in mind, the fact that this is a movie about a family of dwarves and their hired help becomes hilariously clear, as well as giving you the real reason for Thorin's claim about loyalty at the beginning.

They don't harp on about it, but the Longbeard cousins are consistently more stern, serious, and considered warriors (albeit 'old warriors'), whether it be Thorin's stoicism, the obvious importance of the Sons of Fundin, but also the skill and respect of the Sons of Groin - they're so tight with their cousin Thorin they're willing to pick a fight with Elrond's folk.

Thorin tells Gloin to 'get a fire going' multiple times, and it's Oin and Gloin who factor the prophecy and discuss the ravens and thrushes at the end.

There's a lot to like about the other two merchant/tradesman class families as well - Bofur was a good choice for an 'everyman dwarf' who can relate a little easier to Bilbo.

But this is all about the Longbeards and there's tons of little touches to reinforce that.


Thanks for clarifying the Dwarf teams! (I can at least remember all the names and what faces go with which...). Bofur stands out a bit (maybe it's the hat) as likeable, sympathetic... a guy you want to hang out with. If tumblr is any clue, he's picked up quite a female fan base, including me.

It's the hat, it's got to be the hat...

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swordwhale
Tol Eressea


Jan 15 2013, 5:04am

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They were clothed, but they didn't have their over-clothes on. Here's what I mean: link


I think it was longjohns...

I want Bofur's boots too...

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grammaboodawg
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Jan 23 2013, 2:44am

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He's my fav too :D



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