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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 24 2012, 5:30pm

Post #76 of 159 (1882 views)
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Bilbo having an encounter with a Hunter Orc at 3:33? [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm reminded of Legolas questioning Sharku in TTT.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Eleniel
Tol Eressea


Nov 24 2012, 5:40pm

Post #77 of 159 (1752 views)
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Indeed... [In reply to] Can't Post

as I also suggested in the Thorin concept art thread here


"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort






Wandering Ranger
Rivendell


Nov 24 2012, 5:48pm

Post #78 of 159 (1870 views)
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good to have another VLOG this close to release but [In reply to] Can't Post

where does the Goblin King's line come in? I've watched the vlog and didn't catch it.

So Frodo Baggins boarded the great ship and passed on into the west till the sweet fragrance on the air filled his sense and the sound of singing came over the water. Then it seemed to him that, as in a dream, he beheld white shores and beyond them a far green country. The third age of Middle Earth was over, the days of the Rings had passed and the story and song of those times was at an end.


Arthael
Lorien


Nov 24 2012, 6:05pm

Post #79 of 159 (1799 views)
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Beardless as mourninig [In reply to] Can't Post

This has been my speculation for a while. I was confused and a little dismayed when I saw that he didn't have a beard, so I've been hoping that they incorporate it into the story. Im assuming that is a show of mourning, or perhaps shame; perhaps as exiled king he is not worthy of his dwarven beard until his kingdom is reclaimed?

"There are no safe paths in this part of the world. Remember you are over the Edge of the Wild, and in for all sorts of fun wherever you go."


Aragalen the Green
Gondor


Nov 24 2012, 6:05pm

Post #80 of 159 (1842 views)
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Bananas... [In reply to] Can't Post

The slippery Middle-earth kind.

Frito groaned. "I wish I had never been born," he said.
"Do not say that, dear Frito," cried Orlon. "It was a happy minute for us all when you were born."


Terrainosaur
The Shire

Nov 24 2012, 6:19pm

Post #81 of 159 (1869 views)
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Radagast's dirty face [In reply to] Can't Post

Is the white stuff on Radagast's face bird poo?

Why would Peter Jackson think such a character would be popular?


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Nov 24 2012, 6:23pm

Post #82 of 159 (1838 views)
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why [In reply to] Can't Post

wouldnt it be?


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 24 2012, 6:26pm

Post #83 of 159 (1748 views)
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Yes - he has a birds best under his hat. / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Aragalen the Green
Gondor


Nov 24 2012, 6:29pm

Post #84 of 159 (1780 views)
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He cares a lot for birds, [In reply to] Can't Post

and has a nest under his hat. It fits with Radagast's other name (Aiwendil) which means "bird-friend". I like the character, bird poo and all, and I don't know why others wouldn't like him; guess I'm not that picky, and just excited that Radagast IS included!

Frito groaned. "I wish I had never been born," he said.
"Do not say that, dear Frito," cried Orlon. "It was a happy minute for us all when you were born."


painjoiker
Grey Havens


Nov 24 2012, 6:31pm

Post #85 of 159 (1850 views)
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It's been my speculation since the first picture of Thorin appeared! [In reply to] Can't Post

I may not be the first one posting such a theory, but I am pretty sure I was one of the first thinking of such a theory Wink

And now we have the first piece of evidence, and that makes me happy Smile

Vocalist in the semi-progressive metal band Arctic Eclipse


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 24 2012, 6:40pm

Post #86 of 159 (1731 views)
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I think PJ is taking Saruman's appraisal of Raddy too literally [In reply to] Can't Post


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"Radagast the Bird-tamer, Radagast the simple, Radagast the fool"!


When Saruman belittled Raddy in LotR, let's consider the source; a haughty, imperious, power-hungry, war-mongering git who'd allied himself with the Dark Lord and whose disregard for the natural world would turn around and bite him on the arse. Seriously, could Saruman in AUJ be faulted for thinking of Raddy as a fool if he's portrayed by PJ as the village idiot who trundles around with bird poo on his head while talking like a two-year-old?

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Aragalen the Green
Gondor


Nov 24 2012, 6:42pm

Post #87 of 159 (1787 views)
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Radagast may seem simple and foolish at first, [In reply to] Can't Post

but I suspect there will be some examples of his Wizardness (is that a word?). He is a Wizard after all.

Frito groaned. "I wish I had never been born," he said.
"Do not say that, dear Frito," cried Orlon. "It was a happy minute for us all when you were born."


Aragalen the Green
Gondor


Nov 24 2012, 6:44pm

Post #88 of 159 (1846 views)
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or Mirkwood slugs *ugh* [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Frito groaned. "I wish I had never been born," he said.
"Do not say that, dear Frito," cried Orlon. "It was a happy minute for us all when you were born."


Cave Troll
Rivendell

Nov 24 2012, 6:49pm

Post #89 of 159 (1767 views)
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I like him. [In reply to] Can't Post

The mad loner who whispers to animals totally works for me.

Lose the poo and I think he's pretty much perfect imo.


WhiskFishercat
Bree


Nov 24 2012, 6:50pm

Post #90 of 159 (1724 views)
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loved that too [In reply to] Can't Post

Was actually really happy seeing thorin chop off that goblin head. It happened a few times in lotr and I'm glad it made it over to the hobbit. Pg13 for sure. Thanks Peter!!!


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 24 2012, 6:51pm

Post #91 of 159 (1684 views)
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Personally I'd have prefered an Istari with some dignity... [In reply to] Can't Post

My point wasn't so much that he talks to animals (which is fine and in character) as his voice, which makes him sound dim/imbalanced IMO. A better example is his line in Trailer 2, where he sounds really silly.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


(This post was edited by Captain Salt on Nov 24 2012, 6:53pm)


Cave Troll
Rivendell

Nov 24 2012, 7:02pm

Post #92 of 159 (1723 views)
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Each to their own... [In reply to] Can't Post

and you're certainly justified in that opinion. Smile

I guess I just like him. I somehow already feel a great deal of affection for the guy. Blush


whitetree
The Shire


Nov 24 2012, 7:25pm

Post #93 of 159 (1659 views)
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I feel the same... [In reply to] Can't Post

And I think Radagast's care for the forest creatures grants him a measure of dignity that doesn't rely on his appearance. I'm really glad he is in this story.


Aragalen the Green
Gondor


Nov 24 2012, 7:33pm

Post #94 of 159 (1674 views)
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We've seen relatively little of Radagast, [In reply to] Can't Post

Just a very few short scenes. I am really looking forward to seeing how his character is fleshed out, so to speak. Gandalf never criticizes Radagast (not that I've read anyway), and describes him in the Hobbit as "my good cousin Radagast", acknowledging him as a fellow Wizard. So I suspect that some dignity and power will be ascribed to Radagast.

Oh for December 14th to come!!

Frito groaned. "I wish I had never been born," he said.
"Do not say that, dear Frito," cried Orlon. "It was a happy minute for us all when you were born."


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 24 2012, 7:34pm

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Why couldn't he have both? [In reply to] Can't Post

Actually, the representation that one would have to be "simple/childish/a crazy hermit in appearance" in order to have closeness with/care about nature is vaguely condescending, IMO.

Additionally, one can't sit there wondering why the Valar sent him over to ME in the first place. Gandy was similarly written as a cranky hermit, complaining about his aches and pains and wondering why the Valar gave him this "old man's body" in early drafts of LotR, (there's probably that old script review kicking around someplace) but was wisely rewritten to more closely approximate the Angelic Immortal Spirit that he is.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Ataahua
Superuser / Moderator


Nov 24 2012, 7:41pm

Post #96 of 159 (1609 views)
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Only one wee edit: 'Vader dance' is 'Fader dance'. [In reply to] Can't Post

I take it the guy is sitting at the fader desk.

This is fantastic Silverlod - you do these transcripts so quickly!

I laughed out loud at, "Sleep is for the weak!"

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 24 2012, 7:41pm

Post #97 of 159 (1644 views)
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Yes, but the preception that Raddy was (or appeared to be) "simple" [In reply to] Can't Post

was a result of Saruman's twisted, corrupted viewpoint after his allegiance with Sauron, not because it was so.

Gandy's not demeaning Raddy doesn't really tell us anything about the Brown Wizard, it simply tells us about Gandy.

Should Theoden have had poop on his head and spoken in a childish voice in LotR simply because Saruman yelled at him that he was dotard? Tongue

Despite PJ's many talents as a filmmaker and my great appreciation for his LotR films, I have to agree with those who've stated subtlety is often not one of his strong points. There are other times however, particularly in quite exchanges of dialogue, where he can craft greatly subtle moments...I was hoping Raddy would be more an enigma and less comedic relief.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


whitetree
The Shire


Nov 24 2012, 7:42pm

Post #98 of 159 (1662 views)
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You're right, he could have both... [In reply to] Can't Post

And we haven't seen enough of him to know everything yet. about how he will be portrayed.

But I still suspect that an Angelic Immortal Spirit can afford not to care that much about some things and devote more attention to other things.


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Nov 24 2012, 7:45pm

Post #99 of 159 (1689 views)
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Ah thanks! [In reply to] Can't Post

I wondered about that, but not having a technical background can be a handicap in these situations. Smile

Silverlode






Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Nov 24 2012, 7:51pm

Post #100 of 159 (1594 views)
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Well obviously... [In reply to] Can't Post

it's Mirkwood Banana Slugs. Problem solved. Wink

Silverlode





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