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Gusev8
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Nov 14 2012, 8:35pm
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Shot from TV Spot 6 SPOILER
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In the shot where you see Bilbo attacking someone/something with Sting at the ending you can see Thorin lying on the ground in the background, is this his death or what do you guys think ?
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Nov 14 2012, 8:38pm
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Might be a bit tricky if Thorin dies in this one.
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thomasofrohan
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Nov 14 2012, 8:40pm
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I'm not sure if this specific shot needed its own thread
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Anyway, I highly doubt it's Thorin's death. This is a television spot for the first film, and it seems to be part of the warg attack scene.
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Mischa07
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Nov 14 2012, 8:47pm
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That one of the Eagles accidentally lets Thorin fall to his death, which royally upsets poor Mr. Baggins. What an emotional climax to the first film that would be. The last shot could be Bilbo hacking down an Eagle and feathers coming out of the screen in 3D. Briliant, if I say so myself.
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sarahb1863
Rivendell
Nov 14 2012, 8:50pm
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Particularly because Thorin doesn't die during the Bo5A. He dies later.
Not to mention, A. Bilbo doesn't participate in the battle, and he doesn't defend Thorin - Fili and Kili do, and B. Thorin falls in the middle of a huge, messy battle with thousands of participants, and in that shot the fallen person and Bilbo are the only two people in the shot. It doesn't look like they're in the middle of a crowded battlefield.
Given that there's a fallen warg in the left background, my guess is that Thorin gets conked out during a warg attack and Bilbo's defending him at that point.
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Apatcha
The Shire
Nov 14 2012, 9:01pm
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He just migh be sleeping as well.....
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That's what Bilbo Baggins hates!
So, carefully! Carefully with the plates!
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Lusitano
Tol Eressea
Nov 14 2012, 9:06pm
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i was going to suggest that this takes place at the eyrie, and one of the eagles little bird children is about to have some dwarven breakfast...which Bilbo finds distastefull !
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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor
Nov 14 2012, 9:08pm
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I highlighted this in the other thread about the TV spot
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Here, just scroll down a bit.
Honestly, I think the writers have fabricated a fake death of sorts for Thorin, to amp up emotions...
Wouldn't be the first time!
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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor
Nov 14 2012, 9:21pm
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And as we know there will be wargs in that scene, perhaps they should have him fall off the cliff while fighting a warg and its goblin rider? Would be a nice subtle reference, don't you think?
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Fardragon
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Nov 14 2012, 9:23pm
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It's immediately after the "Thorin get's shaken in a warg's jaws" scene that has been mentioned by RA. Thorin is just stunned.
It's probably there to give Bilbo a chance to be heroic at the end of film one, now that he doesn't get to kill spiders until the second film.
A Far Dragon is the best kind...
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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor
Nov 14 2012, 9:27pm
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Bilbo seems to be reacting as if he believes Thorin is dead, so I think PJ will be giving us another fake death...
If so, I find it astounding how many times they are willing to use this device to bail them out of a writing dilemma...
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Fardragon
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Nov 14 2012, 9:31pm
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You have to reach -10 hp.
You didn't play enough Dungeons and Dragons.
A Far Dragon is the best kind...
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Flame of Udun
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Nov 14 2012, 9:42pm
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"'Ai! ai!' wailed Legolas. 'A Balrog! A Balrog is come!'
Gimli stared with wide eyes. 'Durin's Bane!' he cried, and letting his axe fall he covered his face.
'A Balrog,' muttered Gandalf. 'Now I understand. What an evil fortune! And I am already weary.''
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pettytyrant101
Lorien
Nov 14 2012, 10:46pm
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Bit of a mess of Bilbo's story
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Tolkien lays out a quite simple but effective line for Bilbo as he grows in courage and bravery and his 'Tookishness' comes to the fore, climaxing in his first use of Sting agressively in Mirkwood.
So far I have seen him defending himself with it from a goblin attack (presumably in the Goblin Town/Gollum section of the film) and now this. Can't say either scene makes me very hopeful as it seems PJ has thrown Tolkiens development of Bilbo right out the window (or over a cliff) here.
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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor
Nov 14 2012, 10:52pm
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Also, there are white ashes falling in that last shot
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Which suggests that this takes place during "Out of the Frying Pan, Into the Fire."
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Not_the_beard
The Shire
Nov 14 2012, 11:01pm
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would make following Tolkien's exact character arc for Bilbo a little more difficult. It would have worked great with Mirkwood/wood elves escape being the climax of film 1. It could be Bilbo's real defining moment of the film. However, I feel like it makes perfect sense now with the three film structure for Bilbo to be given this moment chronologically earlier so that the new ending for the first film actually feels like an ending, and not a film cut at its 2/3 point.
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