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thomasofrohan
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Nov 14 2012, 7:34pm
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I respect your opinion, I just don't agree with it at all
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Nothing about Martin is too "contemporary" for me at all. I don't even understand how you're arriving at your definition of "contemporary" and what makes Freeman fall under it to the point of distraction...his deliveries and mannerisms are perfectly hobbit-esque. What exactly are you seeing that seems too "modern", if you could elaborate? As Bilbo, I suppose Freeman's portrayal would stand out in such a way...Bilbo being, at least from the start, very much a hobbit, the "modern man" compared to the other races in the cast, is part of the character. I see only that, nothing that would make me think "He's from 2012".
From the first glimpses of footage to now, he's simply been Bilbo Baggins - or at least my version of Bilbo Baggins - so unfailingly that I often wonder if Sir Peter didn't actually find a real hobbit after all...
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Estel78
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Nov 14 2012, 7:35pm
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It's perfectly fine if you don't like his acting but i dunno what makes it contemporary.
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Estel78
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Nov 14 2012, 7:36pm
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Yes. This line is most likely taken from another moment in the film (in Bag End). //
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Eleniel
Tol Eressea
Nov 14 2012, 7:38pm
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Have to say that this spot didn't do it for me, either...
I blame this mainly on the cutting/editing as others have pointed out..it makes for a disjointed feeling when viewing, and it's hard to judge Freeman's performance fairly when we know the scene will probably not play out exactly like this...
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thomasofrohan
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Nov 14 2012, 7:39pm
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As far as television spots go, which tend to be chaotic, it's fairly well-cut, IMO
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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea
Nov 14 2012, 7:42pm
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I'm not convinced yet either...
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but IMO, this at least proves there's more to this Bilbo than "snark". I certainly get what you're saying, having expressed the same concern previously  ...we'll have to wait to see how he fairs throughout the entire film.
Also IMO, TH in general seems a little flashier, somewhat slicker, a bit more "modern" than LotR...most likely as they made LotR with no demographic in particular in mind, (as Elijah Wood says, it was pretty much the biggest independent film ever), while TH has been designed as a big-budget studio tentpole from the onset, and therefor must be alluring for the most coveted audience - teenagers and young boys. I hope there's a fair amount of the heart, humanity, emotion, and timelessness found in LotR in the new trilogy, and fortunately, Bilbo's speech here suggests that they're at least trying a bit. 
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!
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thomasofrohan
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Nov 14 2012, 7:47pm
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Part of the reason why I loved hearing the full Hobbit score...
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Is because, creatively, it had everything that made the original trilogy soar to such great heights of heart and timelessness. It's reassuring because I feel that, if PJ was more demographic-conscious this time around, he probably would have directed Shore to give more of an "action" sound to the music...which is not what he did at all.
So I'm reassured that the spirit will remain intact. I don't think PJ, who still prefers to operate in his native New Zealand, has sold out, and he still has the clout to not be pushed around by a demographic-conscious studio.
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Elessar
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Nov 14 2012, 7:48pm
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That totally have me goosebumps. I think to see plenty of the Bilbo from the book in that bit. He kind of calls out the dwarves saying he's got their back and will help them but that he also misses Bag End. It's obviously not an exact replica there but you get that feel. This I think is going to be another major home run from Jackson and crew.
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Estel78
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Nov 14 2012, 7:49pm
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I don't think this has anything to do with it.
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PJ is making the movie he wants to see. I very much doubt he goes by what some demographic might like.
Also IMO, TH in general seems a little flashier, somewhat slicker, a bit more "modern" than LotR...most likely as they made LotR with no demographic in particular in mind, (as Elijah Wood says, it was pretty much the biggest independent film ever), while TH has been designed as a big-budget studio tentpole from the onset, and therefor must be alluring for the most coveted audience - teenagers and young boys.
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Captain Salt
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Nov 14 2012, 7:55pm
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They're not necessarily mutually exclusive.
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And no can definitively say what's going on PJ's head (or the studio executives). Perhaps he's making the film he would given no creative stipulations or self-censorship whatsoever...perhaps not.
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!
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Azaghâl
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Nov 14 2012, 7:57pm
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is taken a bit out of context here. It sounds to me like a "oh you don't believe me? But look at this." kinda laugh. Like he's trying to impress in some way.
*Baruk khazâd! Khazâd ai-mênu!*
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thomasofrohan
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Nov 14 2012, 7:58pm
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Of course not, but I'm speaking from what I've observed...
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While I can't say what's been said behind closed doors, what I know about PJ - and what I've seen of the production - has me rather confident that he's very much the same director who isn't looking to betray what made his original trilogy of films so creatively rich. He could have done many things differently had he wanted to go down that path...and if there was so much studio pressure, I think it would have been a little more obvious by this point. So far, I'm feeling good.
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Estel78
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Nov 14 2012, 8:04pm
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If he was forced to do something then it's mutually exclusive.
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My impression is PJ is someone who fights for what he believes in. He did it during LOTR and pretty much always won when NL "gave notes". Now he has the cloud and WB knows that the movies are pretty much sure-fire successes. They let him do his thing down in NZ, i'm pretty sure (as long as he doesn't bust the budget).
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Nov 14 2012, 8:08pm
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What's really gratifying to see...
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...is that if Bilbo's speech is part of the final scene of the film - then there will in fact be a proper, emotional resolution in this film.
Something I had been worried about was that in changing this from 2 films to 3, there wouldn't be an ending that resonated on a proper emotional level. I feared that it would feel like the film just stops, as opposed to an ending that felt well scripted.
But if this is the ending of the film, it looks like it will be quite emotional, and mark a real turning point for Bilbo's character and the dwarves' newfound respect for him.
"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 14 2012, 8:12pm
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What exactly is contemporary about his acting?
It is entirely possible that we are confusing British wit with "contemporary." Unlike in the books, Frodo was treated by Peter Jackson as a cipher, with barely a personality. The Frodo of the books, and the Bilbo of the books, both have a dry sense of humor.
IMO, Freeman's acting is far more consistent with Tolkien than Wood's. I thank God we are not getting anymore "deer in the headlights" hobbits this time around.
Lastly, Bilbo should seem more modern than the rest of the cast, because that is how he was drawn by Tolkien. He is an anachronism in Middle Earth, as are all hobbits. He's a bourgeois Edwardian bon vivant living in an archaic world.
Freeman seems to be capturing that perfectly.
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Bombadil
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Nov 14 2012, 8:20pm
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I can't get FB to play it. Is there another Link?
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Nov 14 2012, 8:23pm
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http://www.youtube.com/...8KA&feature=plcp
"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
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Lissuin
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Nov 14 2012, 8:24pm
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We've all got your back, Bomby!//
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grinman
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Nov 14 2012, 8:26pm
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Could one of you... maybe just one... post a link to a youtube video or something? Thanks.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 14 2012, 8:29pm
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Goblin King throne and foot at 0:10
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You can see the throne on the right side of the frame, and it does indeed seem to be fashioned from a bed.
Also, you can see one of the King's large feet on the ground (bottom right) so he may have been killed by this point, hopefully by Gandalf (whose hat you can see in the same frame)!
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grinman
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Nov 14 2012, 8:32pm
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I was just gonna say "nuh uh!"
You said it much better than I could have! Of all the things to be leery of, MF's acting is not on MY radar. In fact, he and Armitage are the two (new) characters that I have the least trepidation about.
While we're on the subject, I understand being cautious about hopes and expectations. What I don't understand is picking apart something with the hopes of finding something not to like. I, as much as anyone here, love The Hobbit and LOTR. I WANT to love these films!! I have high expectations that I will not temper. If the films don't meet my expectations fully, I'll be slightly dissappointed. It would take a LOT for me to flat-out hate them. It would take a lot for me to even not like them. I find things in LOTR that annoy me, but my overall experience is still wonderful. I fully expect The Hobbit films to at least be that good. If not, then I'll be very dissappointed... but that judgement will certainly come AFTER viewing (probably multiple times and probably after the final trilogy film).
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