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New still shows off an unfriendly-looking warg

thomasofrohan
Lorien

Nov 9 2012, 2:26am

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New still shows off an unfriendly-looking warg Can't Post

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Owain
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 2:26am

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Very cool! Menacing.// [In reply to] Can't Post

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thomasofrohan
Lorien

Nov 9 2012, 2:27am

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Those glowing eyes are terrifying! Very effective. [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 2:28am

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CLAPS CLAPS [In reply to] Can't Post

Fantastic warg! Much better than african hyena crossbreeds.

Very wolfy indeed! Even more than Jack Nicholson Wink

Wait till Ailanuir Olorin sees this...


Carne
Tol Eressea

Nov 9 2012, 2:29am

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Fantastic! [In reply to] Can't Post

Now people can stop complaining about them not looking like wolves Cool


Ziggy Stardust
Gondor


Nov 9 2012, 2:29am

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Aaaiiiiii! [In reply to] Can't Post

That warg looks great, but I just spoiled myself! I couldn't resist looking!


Owain
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Nov 9 2012, 2:30am

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Agreed... this is not a tame design by an means. Well done WETA!!// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Carne
Tol Eressea

Nov 9 2012, 2:32am

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To me this looks like a still from a trailer [In reply to] Can't Post

Which is most likely coming this month based on Owain's thread and Manu Bennett's tweet Wink


(This post was edited by Carne on Nov 9 2012, 2:33am)


redgiraffe
Rohan

Nov 9 2012, 2:35am

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I like it a lot [In reply to] Can't Post

I still think it looks kind of a little too CG but this is just a pic and there's no need to really get upset.

But the design looks great, IMO.

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Silverlode
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Nov 9 2012, 2:40am

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I have decided that the hyena wargs... [In reply to] Can't Post

were the result of Saruman's hybridization schemes, like the Uruk-hai (only uglier). THESE are the original non-altered wargs. Yes. I feel better now. Wink

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Estel78
Tol Eressea

Nov 9 2012, 2:43am

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Just wanted to ask where he got it. [In reply to] Can't Post

It may be from a new trailer, you are right.


DarkJackal
Rohan


Nov 9 2012, 2:44am

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I like it, but it doesn't look just like a wolf [In reply to] Can't Post

Too many weird anatomical distortions, including vertical slit pupils in widely spaced eyes, and a nose that looks more appropriate on a camel than a canid. But it's better than the hyenas.

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(This post was edited by DarkJackal on Nov 9 2012, 2:44am)


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 2:44am

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Me too [In reply to] Can't Post

Nice idea. Sarumans fault! Wink


Olessan
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Nov 9 2012, 2:45am

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Oooh [In reply to] Can't Post

It looks great! Love this design.


thomasofrohan
Lorien

Nov 9 2012, 2:48am

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I think it looks close enough to a wolf, with the different features giving it a slightly more distorted, demonic appearance [In reply to] Can't Post

Such as the nose, which makes it look a little creepier, IMO. I think, if you showed a group of people this still, most of them would be able to correctly identify this creature as a wolf because a few missing physical characteristics don't change the wolf-like appearance that drastically.

Besides, they are referred to as "demon wolves", not just wolves. Perhaps being inhabited by an evil spirit does things to your anatomical structure. :}


(This post was edited by thomasofrohan on Nov 9 2012, 2:53am)


DarkJackal
Rohan


Nov 9 2012, 2:57am

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Another image of a warg rider? [In reply to] Can't Post

This was posted on FB but the poster wasn't sure if it was legit or not. I do not know the original source.

Warg and rider


Looks like the same warg design, and same rocks as we've seen in some of the promo shots.

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Estel78
Tol Eressea

Nov 9 2012, 3:00am

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Looks legit definitelly. [In reply to] Can't Post

If a bit CGI. But in motion it'll probably look better.


Username4242
Bree

Nov 9 2012, 3:02am

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Their ears look quite bat-like. [In reply to] Can't Post

I dig it.


SaltedPork
Bree


Nov 9 2012, 3:05am

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Looks legit to me! [In reply to] Can't Post

I like it. Interesting design. Much more wolf-like, but still something we haven't seen in film before.


Carne
Tol Eressea

Nov 9 2012, 3:07am

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Ok, that has to be from a new trailer! [In reply to] Can't Post

 


thomasofrohan
Lorien

Nov 9 2012, 3:09am

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Wow, these wargs are huge! [In reply to] Can't Post

Amazing design. Just the right blend between demon and wolf, IMO.


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 3:13am

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wow [In reply to] Can't Post

Fantastic! Warg Scouts!

Where are these pics coming from?? Not pjs facebook...


jtarkey
Rohan


Nov 9 2012, 3:18am

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These have to be from a new trailer [In reply to] Can't Post

Remember when we got stills right before the 2nd trailer, and they were conveniently trailer sized?

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Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 3:33am

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Indeed [In reply to] Can't Post

The size and style are very similar...trailer trailer trailer ...its coming...Smile


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Nov 9 2012, 3:36am

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Ooh, I like your reasoning. / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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redgiraffe
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Nov 9 2012, 3:38am

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cool cool [In reply to] Can't Post


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Too many weird anatomical distortions, including vertical slit pupils in widely spaced eyes, and a nose that looks more appropriate on a camel than a canid. But it's better than the hyenas.


The slit eyes to me do look a little non-wolf like. But I'm glad that it wasn't just a completely full set of glowing eyes like it looked in the trailer. I think that would have been awful.

But it seems I'm in the minority about the wargs in the trilogy. I didn't really have a problem with the design. I actually thought they looked cool. Yes, I would have liked them to look more wolf like in the head but they still had a canine type of appearance.

My problem with the ones from LOTR though is that it seems like they spent a very minimal amount of time on the CGI with them as compared to almost everything else in the trilogy. Eveyone states that PJ didn't like the design but if I remember correctly it was actually that he felt the CG was rushed on them and that's what he didn't like about them. I could be wrong though.

Anyone want to help clarify? And does anyone feel the same way?

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GothmogTheBalrog
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Nov 9 2012, 3:41am

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I like it. [In reply to] Can't Post

Wink Very ferocious looking.

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thomasofrohan
Lorien

Nov 9 2012, 3:44am

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That's what PJ has said [In reply to] Can't Post

Like you, I didn't mind the wargs from the trilogy either. I find hyenas absolutely terrifying, so the mixed hyena-wolf design worked pretty well for me.

As for PJ's dissatisfaction, yes, you are correct. What he has said on the matter is that he would have liked more time to storyboard and develop the warg scene (which I also enjoyed; again, a minority position), as it was a chaotic shoot and some portions of its development were rushed.


Arthael
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Nov 9 2012, 3:44am

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Haha I like that line of reasoning. [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Captain Salt
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Nov 9 2012, 3:45am

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Like it (though it does look pretty CG). And agreed this is probably from the new trailer. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
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2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Captain Salt
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Nov 9 2012, 3:52am

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I still like the idea that these are pure-bred Wargs out of Angband... [In reply to] Can't Post

while those of LotR had been cross-bred with a hyena-like animal from Far Harad.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


SirDennisC
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Nov 9 2012, 4:05am

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Are you sure that isn't Jacob? // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Nov 9 2012, 4:06am

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Get out of here! ;) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Ziggy Stardust
Gondor


Nov 9 2012, 4:07am

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I like this conclusion [In reply to] Can't Post

Actually, it sort of makes sense.


Ziggy Stardust
Gondor


Nov 9 2012, 4:08am

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Oooh, don't go there. [In reply to] Can't Post

Evil Angelic


thomasofrohan
Lorien

Nov 9 2012, 4:09am

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I hope you're joking. [In reply to] Can't Post

Tongue


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 4:10am

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Agreed, this seems a pretty fool-proof explanation. [In reply to] Can't Post

After all, there are bound to be more than one breed of Warg in ME. Wink

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 4:20am

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Em...I must have missed who Jacob was? ;P // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Nov 9 2012, 4:30am

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Well after Skyfall it's the next big release [In reply to] Can't Post

and the image does seem sort of random.


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Nov 9 2012, 4:31am

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Oh I don't believe that for a second [In reply to] Can't Post

Laugh


thomasofrohan
Lorien

Nov 9 2012, 4:33am

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So if this is from the last trailer (which it definitely seems to be), I wonder when the trailer will be released? [In reply to] Can't Post

As soon as next week, maybe? Late November?


Owain
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 4:34am

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Ooh good call. I like that!// [In reply to] Can't Post

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Owain
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 4:35am

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I would agree... and it is the right aspect ratio.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Owain
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 4:38am

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Agreed.// [In reply to] Can't Post

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totoro
Lorien

Nov 9 2012, 4:38am

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That's an awesome warg [In reply to] Can't Post

I love the bat-like look.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 9 2012, 5:06am

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Perhaps because it's not a wolf [In reply to] Can't Post

But a warg. Wink


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 5:14am

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Oh no! [In reply to] Can't Post

Now I see why there was so much protest.

I thought it was a ToRN inside joke, like one of Richard Taylor's kids looked like Warg or something. Tongue

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 9 2012, 5:18am

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This image comes from another new series of pics [In reply to] Can't Post

Which include two news shots of goblins, and the White Council, posted by Mr. Gandalf here.

Those Misty Mountain goblins are looking brilliant.


SilvanElf7
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Nov 9 2012, 5:25am

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Wow! [In reply to] Can't Post

Fantastic looking - and properly terrifying for poor Bilbo!

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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 5:41am

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When I saw the Time Machine remake back in 2002, I couldn't help but feel that Stan Winston's Morlocks [In reply to] Can't Post

would make proper TH Goblins.

How ironic that TH's goblins ended up looking like his Morlocks!

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My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


DarkJackal
Rohan


Nov 9 2012, 7:42am

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No, this link [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.facebook.com/...fbid=304318676348257

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DanielLB
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Nov 9 2012, 7:56am

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Looks like an altered version of the Warg and Rider from TTT? / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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DanielLB
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Nov 9 2012, 7:57am

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Agreed! [In reply to] Can't Post

I think I made that comment too a while back. I do hope for some of the FOTR Goblins though. Just because I liked them so much. Evil

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Eleniel
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 8:01am

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Now that's much better... [In reply to] Can't Post

a great improvement on the hyena-wargs...looks horrifyingly ferocious!


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(This post was edited by Eleniel on Nov 9 2012, 8:02am)


macfalk
Valinor


Nov 9 2012, 8:29am

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Very menacing - but not a wolf. [In reply to] Can't Post

Sure, it's a warg, so it's not 100% a wolf... but still - I hoped they would have been more wolf-like.



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Eleniel
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 8:32am

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Exactly... [In reply to] Can't Post

As I keep saying it's more "Hound of the Baskervilles" than wolf, but still...better than a hyena! Wink


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thomasofrohan
Lorien

Nov 9 2012, 8:37am

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That thing looks pretty wolf-like to me, without obviously being just a copy-and-paste wolf. [In reply to] Can't Post

Personally, I've always imagined wargs as wolf-like beings distorted into almost a demon-like creature, with their features more inspired by wolves, which is what these appear to be. I can understand why some would have perhaps liked to see more of a wolf, but personally I think this approach is more interesting from a design standpoint without making the wargs not look distinctly wolfish. Just my opinion.


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Thorins_apprentice
Rohan

Nov 9 2012, 8:50am

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Is this really from a new trailer.?? [In reply to] Can't Post

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Ereinion Nénharma
Lorien

Nov 9 2012, 9:57am

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That's not possible... [In reply to] Can't Post

because hyenas are not canids. They can't crossbreed with wolves.

But the most important thing; these wargs look great!

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Fardragon
Rohan

Nov 9 2012, 10:00am

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Saruman is an expert in genetic engineering. [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Ereinion Nénharma
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Nov 9 2012, 10:22am

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Haha... [In reply to] Can't Post

''Now, what Saruman and Sauron did at Isengard is create genetically engineered theme park monsters, nothing more and nothing less''.

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elevorn
Lorien


Nov 9 2012, 2:27pm

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immediately made me think of Never Ending story [In reply to] Can't Post

That terrifying wolf like creature, G'Mork (sp). I hope they don;t go over the top with the voices and let them be menacing in the vein of Jeremy Iron's villain characters. The design looks great not completely wolf, something far more sinister and evil, unnatural.

As far as the complaints about the CG, what do you want, wargs don't, there is going to be a CG look to it, because you know its CG. Just enjoy folks, people have spent countless hours on the design and painting and drawing of these things. their hearts are in the project and it already is far more than i could have ever hoped for. Smile



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Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 3:30pm

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same here macfalk hehe, hoping for more wolfy appearance, but still pretty good I s'ppose// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 9 2012, 3:43pm

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I gave a problem with [In reply to] Can't Post

Wolves being depicted as 'evil,' so I'm glad PJ is making it clear that this is a demonic type. A warg!


Fardragon
Rohan

Nov 9 2012, 4:08pm

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Indeed. Wolves are fabulous creatures. [In reply to] Can't Post


In Reply To
Wolves being depicted as 'evil,' so I'm glad PJ is making it clear that this is a demonic type. A warg!


And there is a need for film makers to show some responsibility. An awful lot of sharks where killed following Jaws.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


macfalk
Valinor


Nov 9 2012, 4:13pm

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Of course [In reply to] Can't Post

I was in no way trying to imply that wolves are "evil". Rather the opposite - they are wonderful, majestic creatures. However, I don't know why wargs needs to be so different in facial design. A natural wolf can be menacing as well. I'm not saying they should have went with a plain wolf design, but I would have prefered if they resembled each other more.



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Fardragon
Rohan

Nov 9 2012, 4:21pm

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I'm sure [In reply to] Can't Post

a natural wolf would have been even more menecing. Not to mention avoiding CGI.

But these wargs are going to get slaughtered and burned - the film doesn't work if people root for the wargs.

Not to mention the idiots who think that because they saw it in a movie, it's okay to kill wolves in real life.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Nov 9 2012, 4:36pm

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I doubt you'd be able to fit an orc on a real wolf. ;) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Fardragon
Rohan

Nov 9 2012, 4:43pm

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Sure you could [In reply to] Can't Post

You never seen monkeys riding dogs?

If you where going to use a real animal, you would actually use a dog/wolf hybrid, which aren't difficult to train, and can be larger than thoroughbred wolves. If it wasn't for the 3D, you could even use forced perspective to make it look larger.

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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 4:44pm

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Except these wouldn't be wolves and hyenas [In reply to] Can't Post

They're Wargs and "hyena-like things". Fantasy world and all that. Wink

BTW, if they ever make a JP prequel in the near future, IMO Chris Lee would be perfect for Norman Atherton, John Hammond's partner at InGen. He already has experience with genetics-related disasters as we've seen!

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Nov 9 2012, 4:45pm

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They are still not large enough, not by a long shot. [In reply to] Can't Post

Maybe if you would use a midget for an orc...

p.s.
No, i haven't seen monkeys riding dogs.


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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 6:54pm

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This must become canon [In reply to] Can't Post

They could mention something like that in the making-of documentaries. *fingers crossed*

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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Nov 9 2012, 6:57pm

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The nose looks like a bat's nose [In reply to] Can't Post

Actually, the whole design looks like mixture of a wolf and a bat. A reference to their demonic origin?

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Cave Troll
Rivendell

Nov 9 2012, 7:08pm

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Brilliant design in my book... [In reply to] Can't Post

Straight wolf antagonists would have been a hard sell.

This is a fantastic compromise - they're genuinely nasty whilst still unmistakably canine.


dave_lf
Gondor

Nov 9 2012, 7:11pm

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Overheard at a certain New Zealand studio [In reply to] Can't Post

"It would be kind of cool and at least a little canon to make the wargs be werewolves, but we're already doing vampires, and putting vampires and werewolves together would just be too much."
"Hold that thought..."


starlesswinter
Lorien

Nov 10 2012, 12:18am

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Really? We're at that level of criticism now? [In reply to] Can't Post

It's not enough that it's clearly inspired by a real-world wolf - it has to have specific wolf proportions? What's the art department to do if not come up with new designs?


starlesswinter
Lorien

Nov 10 2012, 12:27am

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I liked the hyenas too [In reply to] Can't Post

There are so many "evil wolf creatures" in fantasy movies that it was nice to have a change in design. Gmork in Neverending Story, the White Witch's wolves in Narnia, the wolf in Terry Gilliam's Brothers Grimm, now there's one in ABC's Once Upon a Time...I'm sure I'm forgetting others. Regardless of whether it's a fantasty convention, it's nice to have something different to look at. WETA's design was distinct. It was still canine - it's not like they made the wargs into giraffes. This is another one of the minor issues I think people fuss too much about.


imin
Valinor


Nov 10 2012, 12:32am

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A hyena [In reply to] Can't Post

is not a canine, it is infact more closely related to a cat than a dog.

I think people fuss over it as it is a visual error on the design teams part in most peoples mind - even in PJ's. When you think of warg and get told they are pretty much a wolf, you dont think of a hyena you think of a wolf.

it was similar in that it ran on four legs and had fur, thats about it.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 10 2012, 4:09am

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You haven't??? [In reply to] Can't Post

Have you been living under a rock? Dog-riding monkeys are about as common as old ladies carrying grocery bags.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 10 2012, 4:13am

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People fuss [In reply to] Can't Post

Because they have strong opinions about these adaptations. As all of these things are subjective, there is no "too much fussing" or "too little fussing" about it.

People shouldn't be reprimand for expressing their opinions on art and entertainment.


starlesswinter
Lorien

Nov 10 2012, 5:45pm

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But it still looks like a dog-like creature [In reply to] Can't Post

Hyenas may be more like a cat biologically, but TTT creatures were only inspired by them. The wargs certainly looked more canine than feline.


imin
Valinor


Nov 10 2012, 5:52pm

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Looks like a hyena - its not a warg, all i can say. [In reply to] Can't Post

Though hyenas do look similar to dogs yeah.

Either way PJ regrets the design, loads of fans dont like the design and luckily for most, they have changed the design Smile

From what i have seen of the new design, personally i am very happy with the direction they have gone for wargs.


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 10 2012, 6:13pm

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Agreed [In reply to] Can't Post

I wasn't too bothered by TTT design. But TH Warg's are far superior. They look menacing and mean. Just what we need in these films.

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starlesswinter
Lorien

Nov 10 2012, 6:15pm

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It's very extreme nitpicking, though, and for no good reason. [In reply to] Can't Post

In the vast world Tolkien created, and certainly with regard to what's actually important in these stories, the biological features of a warg are pretty low on the list. By all means argue whether the filmmakers destroyed the essence of fate's role in the destruction of the Ring or whether their use of the Army of the Dead as an unstoppable battle-ender was poor, but the fact that these design choices for a relatively unimportant creature have "strong opinions" speaks volumes about how fans go to see these film adaptations. I don't know about you, but I love Tolkien's world for its themes and atmosphere, not for the shape of a warg's eyes.

I take issue with this whole thing because people seem to dislike when someone else's visual interpretation doesn't match up with what they saw in their own heads. It just brings back memories of when everyone was upset because the Balrog had wings or Legolas had blonde hair. Why on earth does it matter? When people start discussing whether Thorin's cloak isn't the right shade of blue or whether the plains of Rohan are too brown, it just becomes a giant, emotionless bingo game and loses the essence of the story. From an audience perspective it does, at least, because none of these things are what LOTR is actually about. These characters/creatures aren't defined by tiny design features but by their actions and decisions. You can by all means not like a particular design itself, but to hate it and call it "horrible" just because it isn't exactly how the author describes? That's rather petty and pretty much dooms any chance of having an open mind about these things.

I'm not reprimanding people for having opinions about art - I'm taking issue with some of the reasons they express them, which I don't happen to think are very fair.


imin
Valinor


Nov 10 2012, 6:30pm

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hmm, its an interesting question [In reply to] Can't Post

For me the wargs look bad themselves, irrespective of not looking like how Tolkien describes them - the design itself is bad i feel.

I totally get what you mean about not liking something just because it doesnt fit the book/ones own mental image. If anything its a failure of the success Tolkien's books have brought about. People connect with it so well and feel so strongly they have strong ideas about what things should be for nearly everything. Think of the balrog debate, it has been going on for years and will never end - does it matter? No, but people like sharing their own image and trying to prove they are right (just so you know im a no wings man).

I feel it is a curse almost of being a big fan. When watching the movie i dont actively go, 'well that looks different' or try and spot them, but as my mental image is so vivid from years of re-reading whenever it does change i cant help but notice it in some small way.

I think at this point in time 10 years after the lord of the rings - it has got to the point more of everyone on here (almost) agreeing they were very successful and are considered classics. It has come now into peoples mind how would they improve upon something.

It could be seen as praise for PJ that fans are having to get so ridiculously critical as more or less everything else was done great or good enough.

Personally i would see it as a positive that their isnt more major things to complain about. Also at this time before the release of the hobbit, we only have a small amount of footage to go off and so people are being very critical about that - once the movie starts people will just be enjoying it and proclaiming how PJ has done it again. After a period of 'omg the hobbit is aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamazzzzzzzzzing!' will come a period of analysing it - some will go deeper with their analyse than others.

Some its the general theme and feel of Tolkien that matters most (it does to me) for others it is in the little details that they get their enjoyment from seeing just as they pictured or described in the book.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Nov 10 2012, 7:14pm

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Well, let's hope so. ;) [In reply to] Can't Post


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once the movie starts people will just be enjoying it and proclaiming how PJ has done it again. After a period of 'omg the hobbit is aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamazzzzzzzzzing!'



Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 10 2012, 7:29pm

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Its not extreme nitpicking [In reply to] Can't Post

For many, Middle Earth is essentially a Western-European flavored mythology, and having hyena-like beasts in it just doesn't seem to feel right. On the other hand, wolves, which appear prominently in a number of northern European myths and legends, seem to be much more appropriate.

For some, these aesthetic choices are just as important as the narrative choices.

That's not "extreme nitpicking," its legitimate, well-reasoned opinion.


(This post was edited by Shelob'sAppetite on Nov 10 2012, 7:29pm)


starlesswinter
Lorien

Nov 10 2012, 8:04pm

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That doesn't work for all the mythology though [In reply to] Can't Post

If you use that criteria, it has to apply to the rest of the world as well. Where do the elephant-like Mumakil come from then? Why does Tolkien mention tomatoes and potatoes and tobacco when they came from the New World? Do dragons have to have the feature of lizards that existed in Europe? Gandalf has fireworks, yet they were invented in China.

It's fantasy - there's nothing wrong with anachronisms. It's part of the fun!


DarkJackal
Rohan


Nov 10 2012, 10:22pm

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I didn't say I hated it [In reply to] Can't Post

I think it will work fine for a warg design actually. I'm just pointing out the difference between a real world wolf and this creation. Some people would prefer the wargs to be more wolf like than this, others don't care, and some would be bored with a big CGI wolf that looks like it came out of Twilight.

I think my preference would be just a bit more wolf-like, but it doesn't matter that much to me either way.

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DarkJackal
Rohan


Nov 10 2012, 10:59pm

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Get used to it [In reply to] Can't Post

These boards are full of people picking things apart. I'm a pretty detail oriented person, so part of what I find interesting about all these films are the little things, and why they chose to make them as they did. I point out the differences between this warg and a wolf because I want to understand them, not because I'm saying they are invalid choices for a fantasy creature. It may have come across that way, but that wasn't my intention.

"I take issue with this whole thing because people seem to dislike when someone else's visual interpretation doesn't match up with what they saw in their own heads."

As Shelob'sAppetite said, we all have a sense of aesthetics, which may play a greater or lesser part in our acceptance of the design of things. And to some, seeing wargs from the Hobbit onscreen for the first time is not "unimportant", whether or not it has anything to do with the overall themes of the story.

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(This post was edited by DarkJackal on Nov 10 2012, 11:01pm)


grammaboodawg
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Nov 13 2012, 1:10am

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There. Now that makes sense! :) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 



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