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Is the "cartoony" look of the footage a result of 3D?

Hamfast of Gamwich
Rivendell

Oct 14 2012, 11:38am

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Is the "cartoony" look of the footage a result of 3D? Can't Post

Having just rewatched the LOTR trilogy it struck me how much more colourful the footage from The Hobbit looks than the original films. In my opinion this makes the pictures seem a lot less realistic and more cartoony (whether this is a good or bad thing/fits into the 'tone' of the book is open for debate, personally I don't have a problem with it).

However, I belief the main reason for this is to compensate for the light lose that comes from watching a film in 3D. I wonder if when we sit down to watch the film in the cinema in 3D this colourful/cartoony look will be much less obvious. This is mentioned in the blog about 3D in relation to Dwalin's skin tone and the colours of the trees in Mirkwood.

This leads me to the question - when the films are released on DVD in 2D or shown in 2D cinemas, will they be kept as colourful as the trailers or will Peter Jackson alter the images to make them less colourful?

I watched Avatar on TV recently and the skin tones of the Blue People seemed a lot brighter than they had when I saw it in 3D in the cinema. I haven't seen a lot of other 3D films (too expensive) so was wondering what people thought?


Mordae
The Shire

Oct 14 2012, 11:59am

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Post-processing? [In reply to] Can't Post

Nah, it's probably mostly from the post-processing.
If you watch the newest Blu-Ray versions of LotR, you'll see that they went for the same kind of look in those.

From what I gather they've diffused the colors somehow to make everything look soft, while still retaining good borders and sharpness.


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Oct 14 2012, 12:01pm

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There's no need to compensate at 48fps... [In reply to] Can't Post

When showing a film at 24 fps the screen has to stay at a fairly low light otherwise our eyes pick up a flicker between frames. At 48fps the projector can be brightened, so much so that even with glasses on the 48fps version will be much brighter than the glasses-free 2D version. So compensation with colour is certainly not necessary. Smile

However, when filming at 48fps, because the shutter on the camera is closing twice as much, then less light gets into the camera, and the image becomes darker. This is what they talk about in the VBlog. But after digital colour grading, this shouldn't make a noticeable difference.


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 14 2012, 12:20pm

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I like the vividness of it! [In reply to] Can't Post

It draws me in. Evil

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Arandir
Gondor


Oct 14 2012, 12:45pm

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I don't think it's got much to do with 3D but [In reply to] Can't Post

rather more as a colour-grading stage. Probably PJ wants to make this a fresher, more younger Middle-Earth - making it look similar to LoTR but having that touch of something different at the same time.

Also, though, I believe the "cartoony" effect you're referring to is also due to the extreme use of CGI. That makes each shot look "glossier" and brighter than those of LoTR - thus the stark contrast. Personally, I like the different tone to set it apart from Rings - however, there seems too wide a gap between the two ... I guess we'll have to wait to see the whole picture (no pun intended!)


Hamfast of Gamwich
Rivendell

Oct 14 2012, 1:10pm

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Thats interesting [In reply to] Can't Post

They obviously just want it to look brighter then.

I think I'm going have to have watch the film in 2D the first time around. I'll be so interested to see what the 3D is like that I'll focus on that and not the storytelling if I dive straight in.


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Oct 14 2012, 1:32pm

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I really recommend everyone to read this: [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.red.com/...igh-frame-rate-video
...especially if you're unsure which format you want to see The Hobbit in.

I personally think I'll see it in 2D, unless it's showing in 48fps near me. It's everything or nothing for me Smile


Valandil ed Imladris
Lorien


Oct 14 2012, 1:50pm

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I agree with DanielLB [In reply to] Can't Post

It looks different, yes, but it helps my brain to differentiate between LOTR feeling and HOBBIT feeling. I think this is important: to accept that this is another kind of story that will grow to be darker in DOS and TABA due to mirkwood and TBOFA.


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 14 2012, 1:55pm

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Why do I care so much?! [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm exactly the same QT. And deciding which format to first watch it in is a difficult choice. I just don't know what's best. Unsure

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dubulous
Rohan

Oct 14 2012, 2:22pm

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Whatever the reason, I like it [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm no expert on 3D and how it affects the look, but I feel The Hobbit should look different. The book itself is very different from LotR in tone, and whether it's by design or something caused by the 3D, I only see it as a good thing if there's a difference in the movies as well. After all, at the time of The Hobbit, the shadow has not fallen yet - it's only starting to creep back into the world.


Marionette
Rohan


Oct 14 2012, 4:42pm

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Deathly Hallows [In reply to] Can't Post

I donīt know whatīs the deal with colors, I think the general look of the trailer is becoz of the 3D, but I see nothing to complian about with colors.

I just wonder what about Deathly Hallows then, this movie was 3D as well (Thought, it was converted maybe) and itīs darker than anything. So dark than I canīt even watch it. They play this movie in TV/ HBO and so dark than it seems I am watching a black screen.

I am not into the darkness thing, I like brightness and color anywayz, I donīt have problems with that.


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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Oct 14 2012, 5:30pm

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IMO, the cartoonish quality is a result of OTT production design and over-use of CGI [In reply to] Can't Post

The artificial quality (make-up looking like make-up, sets like sets ETC) from what admittedly little we've seen is most likely a result of the digital/RED cameras. Not sure how the 3D's going to work out at this point.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


HiddenSpring
Lorien

Oct 14 2012, 5:55pm

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Agreed [In reply to] Can't Post

Some shots in the second trailer just look hokey, and I doubt it has to do with the digital format. There have been many authentic-looking films shot in digital.

It think it has more to do with color grading and abuse of CGI. This got more and more intolerable each time I played the second trailer so I only watch the teaser now Tongue (although you can see a similar issue in a couple of shots there as well.) And this dislike doesn't mean I'm against a more innocent look for The Hobbit at all - I just don't associate fairy tales to glossy, overly crisp imagery.


Eye's on Guard
Lorien


Oct 14 2012, 6:24pm

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That's it [In reply to] Can't Post

not listening to doubters anymore...I'm 100% convinced.
The sample videos did it for me, as well as the explanation of the difference between this and the fake TV ("soap opera") look.


Tim
Tol Eressea


Oct 14 2012, 6:54pm

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It doesn't look cartoony to me. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Oct 14 2012, 7:19pm

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Most likely due to the expanded use of CGI and digital photography, rather than grainy 35mm. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Black Breathalizer
Rohan


Oct 14 2012, 9:08pm

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yeah... [In reply to] Can't Post

Hamfast of Gamwich wrote: Having just rewatched the LOTR trilogy it struck me how much more colourful the footage from The Hobbit looks than the original films.

The Hobbit should be more colorful than the LOTR films.
It's based on a children's tale. In the spirit of Tolkien's work, I would expect it to be more humorous, colorful and, your words, "cartoony."


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Oct 14 2012, 9:11pm

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If that is the case [In reply to] Can't Post

Why are the digital/RED cameras being touted as a major plus? Is this not something that can be corrected in post?


dormouse
Half-elven


Oct 14 2012, 9:46pm

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It doesn't look anything like a cartoon to me... [In reply to] Can't Post

... which makes the question impossible to answer.


JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Oct 15 2012, 2:46am

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TDOS [In reply to] Can't Post

It's TDOS unless you want people to believe the topic is about the ancient history of Microsoft products.


JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Oct 15 2012, 2:53am

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RED [In reply to] Can't Post

Despite explanations generally on the web and from owain on this forum, there seems to be an excessive need for correction during production and processing of RED images. Leading edge technology is usually like that - more expensive and time-consuming at first until it becomes a mature commodity. It is not mature and I continue to get the feel of Emporer's Clothes about it, as I always have about 3D. So we have a double-whammy.

Hope I'm wrong.


JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Oct 15 2012, 2:57am

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Narnia [In reply to] Can't Post

The cartoony look strikes fear into everyone who objects to the Narnia-ization of fantasy movies and who appreciate the realism of The Lord of the Rings. It may be that a generous amount of location shooting will help, but if it all has the look and feel of the dwarves running through the cave, the fear is jusified.


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Oct 15 2012, 3:20am

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It seems that PJ/the production team believe that the clarity/level of detail of the RED's [In reply to] Can't Post

out-weighs any artificiality that may arise in the imagery (but obviously this isn't the universal experience while watching RED footage). I may be incorrect, but didn't they add touches in post to footage screened at Comic-Con to bring it closer to film (can't remember if that was TH or another film shot on digital)? If they did that the entire film, it would probably alleviate complaints such as those from the Cinema-Con presentation, but would kind-of defeat the purpose of shooting with emerging technology, so I don't know...hopefully they'd find a way in post to keep the clarity while obscuring obviously false sets ETC (color grading would seem to be a good start to this).

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 15 2012, 3:29am

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Could type out the whole name [In reply to] Can't Post

but that would waste 10 seconds...

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 15 2012, 3:46am

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Anyone who was expecting [In reply to] Can't Post

"The Hobbit" to be "The Lord of the Rings" has to be sorely disappointed. Further I would say that one should look to Cameron's "Avatar" rather than the Narnia films for the look of the Hobbit movies. J.J. Abrams used the Red to film parts of his movie "Super 8". The footage was blended with the footage shot on film stock so skillfully that you could not tell the difference.

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JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Oct 15 2012, 3:57am

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Don't Even... [In reply to] Can't Post

Don't even get me going about all the acronyms flying about around here. So many that there's a special post somewhere to explain it all, like police academy training to learn all the 10-whatever codes. I mean, even people are referred to by their initials - as if! - for goodness sake. Tongue It's unfriendly to newcomers. I try to spell things out and feel guilty when I am too lazy to do that for people. I'd like to know if there are people who could spell it out and still leave out the word 'The.' Yech. Trekkies don't leave 'The' out of their movie titles, so they are, of course, superior. TOS, TAS, TNG, TMP, TWoK, TVH, TSFP, TFF, TUC. Maybe we should truncate TPTB to PTB?


JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Oct 15 2012, 4:06am

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Avatar [In reply to] Can't Post

I like Avatar and all the work done there. Avatar was not Narnia to me in terms of CGI quality. Yet there are the same complaints about that as well.

Some fantasy films do look bad me, such as Narnia. I have just believed, without looking into it, they simply use cheaper or stock effects systems or spend less time on it for economic reasons to just get it good enough to get past kids' less discriminating tastes or skills of differentiation. They just want to knock out a film for investment return. Films I thought were the most awesome thing ever as a kid leave me a little embarrassed now for thinking that way.


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Fardragon
Rohan

Oct 15 2012, 6:48am

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Deathy Hallows (pt 2) was shot in 2D and converted to 3D in post production [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Fardragon
Rohan

Oct 15 2012, 6:57am

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Because Avatar is ALL CGI [In reply to] Can't Post

it has a consistent look. It when CGI and live action are mixed that you can get things sticking out.

The Narnia films where definitely made on a MUCH lower budget. This is because the first film wan't a major hit. The second was made on a lower budget, and when that didn't do well, the third nearly didn't get made at all, and when it did, it was on a shoestring.

But effects aren't everything. Still nothing beets Dr Who and Blake's Seven from the 1970s!

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


Eledhwen
Forum Admin / Moderator


Oct 15 2012, 7:00am

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Actually ... [In reply to] Can't Post

leaving "the" off the front of acronyms is standard practice. If I'm abbreviating, for example, "the Ministry of Justice" it abbreviates down to MoJ, not TMoJ. David Cameron is the PM of the UK, not TPM of TUK. So by not writing TLOTR and preferring LOTR Tolkien fans are merely abiding by common grammatical standards, not being lazy.

As for using acronyms for people's names, it may be confusing to newcomers but it's not unfriendly. It's when newcomers are insulted or ignored that they'll feel unwelcome, I think, not if they're mildly confused for a few days over who someone is.

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dormouse
Half-elven


Oct 15 2012, 8:16am

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Yes... [In reply to] Can't Post

As someone who isn't a newcomer but hasn't a clue what TDOS means I'd say the acronyms aren't really a problem. The confused can always ask!

As for the rest, this whole debate is far too technical for me. So far I've seen some footage from the film which looks to me like - footage from a film. Like Middle Earth. Beautiful, engaging, intriguing, exciting. The technical details go over my head because I don't want to analyse the thing, I want to enjoy it. I've seen months of protests about colour and clarity, and things being so real they look unreal but to me they make no sense. Now it's supposed to look cartoony. I can't see any of this in the footage.


Elenorflower
Gondor


Oct 15 2012, 4:39pm

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I so agree about Deathly Hallows [In reply to] Can't Post

It was really bad. It was so dark and murky in 3D I could hardly make out what was happening in one of the most important battle scenes at the end between Voldy and Harry, this made the whole thing an anticlimax as I didnt actually feel anything, cos I hadnt actually seen anything. I dislike Yates intensely anyway, but this just made it even worse.

Mad


Elenorflower
Gondor


Oct 15 2012, 4:46pm

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from what everyone is saying [In reply to] Can't Post

theres a whole lot of messing about (note technical term) involved after filming to get it looking good, and theres a lot of messing about to get the colours right on set and in post. So why the heck dont they just film in film and all this faffing about tweeking the footage doesnt need to occur? You have probably noticed I am not a technoboffin, but I thought I would comment anyway. like you do.
Sly


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Oct 15 2012, 4:53pm

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I think we all don't know what we are talking about. [In reply to] Can't Post

There's a lot of assumptions based on not much.

Here's my take: they can do pretty much anything they want in post production. The film looks as it does because that's what they wanted, not because the camera dictated the look. The same goes for 3D. They will have a version for 2D and a brighter one for 3D, to compensate for the light loss.


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JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Oct 15 2012, 4:58pm

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Standards [In reply to] Can't Post

> Actually, leaving "the" off the front of acronyms is standard practice.

Pffft. What standard? Whose standard? The consensus of a franchise? By whose authority? The Chicago Manual of Style, The Lord of the Rings Edition? Please enlighten me with a link to the standards organization and definition for The Lord of the Rings and the part that talks about "The." LOL.

If it's so standard, what about the Star Trek franchise? Star Trek fans do it better.

Using acronyms for people's names *IS* unfriendly to newcomers. That's my opinion and that was MY sense as a newcomer. Or are you denying my feelings at the time were valid?


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sharpened_graphite
Rivendell

Oct 15 2012, 6:10pm

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I think they're going for "Painterly"... [In reply to] Can't Post

Rather than "Cartoony". They want it to look like a John Howe/Alan Lee painting come to life rather than just a photographic version of reality. So some viscerality and grittiness is going to be lost. But on the other hand the bits that deserve to be visceral and gritty will be very much so, we've seen very little of the Goblin Caves and the Riddles in the Dark sequence could easily fit into RoTK cinematography wise.

I think it'll all look good in the final movie, once given time to be established as an alternate reality rather than just a brief shot in a trailer.


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Oct 15 2012, 6:26pm

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I imagine because they're trying to be "cutting edge" [In reply to] Can't Post

and "Out-Avatar" Avatar. They're not going to throw more CGI on-screen or make more use of CGI "world-bulding" or motion-capture, so PJ's attempting to make up for that with the camera technology and projection quality.

They do traditionally use color grading/correcting and the natural quality of film stock to hide the artificiality in cinema (for those who've seen behind the scenes features or ever visited a film set, you'll notice things generally look better in the final product than during production). The RED's seem to take away that built-in safety factor, hence as you've observed, they over-color sets and make-up during shooting and have to finagle, to couch Joe Biden's recent term, the imagery during post.

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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Oct 15 2012, 6:31pm

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Well the general consensus of those who saw the Cinema-Con footage [In reply to] Can't Post

was that the 48 pfs took away the cinematic quality while the more-recent Comic-Con footage was apparently treated in post, hence they fewer complaints amongst those in attendance. However, from what we've seen (mostly in the new trailer), there's still a degree of artificiality to the imagery for many, and since this footage is not being projected at 48 pfs, it stands to reason it's most likely due to the RED cameras (resulting in say, the giant rubber hands on the Dwarves looking like giant rubber hands ETC IMO).

However, agreed that they can define the look of the film mostly as this see fit in Post...and this still have two months as that. At this point, IMO over-use of CGI is more of an issue than initial disparities with the 48 fps or RED cameras.

"Not tall, but broad and grim...wielding great axes. Out of some savage land in the wide East they come, we deem."

(This post was edited by Captain Salt on Oct 15 2012, 6:34pm)


entmaiden
Forum Admin / Moderator


Oct 15 2012, 7:21pm

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I seem to recall [In reply to] Can't Post

that there was no general consensus. A few people disliked what they saw, and were very vocal about it. The majority of the people there, who are professional theater managers, had no comments.

Of course, anything that generates controversy is bound to be highlighted, with the result that the Cinema-Con footage is now considered to be poor quality.


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Oct 15 2012, 7:26pm

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I feel like I read many articles post-Cinema Con where the reaction was rather concerned [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't think the majority felt it would be the undoing of the films, but from what I recall, many mentioned it. Of course, I don't remember anyone having a similar concern over the Comic-Con footage, so it seems as if this has been somewhat corrected. Smile

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Eledhwen
Forum Admin / Moderator


Oct 15 2012, 8:46pm

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I'm a journalist [In reply to] Can't Post

And at least in the UK and New Zealand, that's the standard style guide across any publication I've ever worked on. Journalists, contrary to popular belief, do tend to be pretty nitpicky about grammar and style.

I'm not denying what you felt as a newcomer, but you can't generalise for everyone. In all my years as an admin here, I don't recall anyone complaining about acronyms or abbreviated nicknames until now. I do, however, recall people complaining about other board members being argumentative, unwilling to give way on their own views, or being rude - we've experienced all of these things at various points in TORN's history. Which is why that's where we focus our energies.

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JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Oct 15 2012, 9:18pm

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I See [In reply to] Can't Post

I see what you did there. Veiled insults are still insults and your bit of snark was off topic and doesn't become an Admin.


Kangi Ska
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Oct 15 2012, 9:22pm

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I have criticized acronyms in the past [In reply to] Can't Post

and I will in the future. They smack of exclusivity which is not friendly to those not in the know. They are also a sign of lazy writing. It is really hard to type out the names of things such as films. All that extra work could be spent on texting your friends.

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Eledhwen
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Oct 15 2012, 9:30pm

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No insult intended or meant [In reply to] Can't Post

Nor snark. I was saying it as I've seen it. I can't recall - though obviously I'm wrong, as Kangi says he's raised the acronym issue - anyone complaining about them before. I was merely saying what we have seen newcomers complaining about.

If you think I'm being snarky, there are several ex-admins who were routinely much, much, much blunter than I have ever been. I'm useless at being funny in writing, so I don't tend to try.

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JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Oct 15 2012, 9:50pm

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Okay [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks. I'm sorry for misunderstanding.

I like funny. My sense of humor is dry, and few understand it because it comes out poorly in the written word.


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Oct 15 2012, 10:13pm

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Well I've criticised the criticism in the past. [In reply to] Can't Post

So we are all square. Criticism of posting style smacks of exclusivity and seems unfriendly to those who choose differing modes of expression.

LR


Tim
Tol Eressea


Oct 15 2012, 11:42pm

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Eh, I just ask what they mean if I don't get the acronym. [In reply to] Can't Post

So far, nobody's been unwilling to explain anything, imho.

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Phibbus
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Oct 16 2012, 3:24am

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Abbrevity is the sole of wit [In reply to] Can't Post

Although Silverlode's TORnSpeak dictionary is still stickied on the welcome page, and maybe it can be updated with the acronyms for the new films (once it's decided whether to include initial articles or not, of course.)

I do find the common acronyms useful, and when posts grow long, it's efficacious to be able to type LotR or TH—although I'll usually try to use the full title at the first occurrence.

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SirDennisC
Half-elven


Oct 16 2012, 3:34am

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It may just be a quirk of mine [In reply to] Can't Post

When speaking about the movies I use LOTR and TH; when referring to the books I type out the titles and try to remember to italicize.

I also us acronyms for well known movie titles and persons under discussion, for instance GoT for Game of Thrones, HP for Harry Potter, PJ for ole what's his name, and so on. That is unless the acronym would be confusing around here as in PB for The Princess Bride when most of the time it stands for Philipa Boyens.


(This post was edited by SirDennisC on Oct 16 2012, 3:35am)


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2012, 3:56am

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"I Am Mostly Fine With Abbreviations". EvilAngelic

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Phibbus
Rohan


Oct 16 2012, 3:58am

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PJ for ole what's his name


Way too Family Circus cuddly and makes me think of him sitting around in his flannel footies.

Man is but an ass if he go about to expound this dream.


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Oct 16 2012, 4:03am

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Cuddly, like PB&J? [In reply to] Can't Post

I've used/have seen it used for the writing team of Philipa Boyens and Peter Jackson... admittedly though it is a bit of a send-up. Cool


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 16 2012, 7:17am

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Hmmm, we could make this as ridiculous as possible by turning all subject titles into very very very very very very long acronyms. Wouldn't that be fun.

I'm so so so so so sorry. Wink

*Prepares for a beating*

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JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Oct 16 2012, 7:29am

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I thought PB&J was a creative diminutive for the writing team, but I quickly realized it left out Fran. So the first thing that popped into my head was "Kuckla, Fran and Ollie." Personally, I favor "The Coven." Peter and Fran have seemed to go out of their way in the past to avoid the M-word - "life partner" and all that - so why not refer to the trio as a double entendre for the writing team. It has a great ring to it with an appropriate sense of making hamburger out of sacred cows.


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The Preciousss
Bree

Oct 16 2012, 9:33am

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I like the look of the Hobbit and it makes sense [In reply to] Can't Post

in context with the LOTR. FOTR starts aout as a very colorful (Shire) movie that gradually gets it's colors drained out (Moria, Lothlorien). TTT and ROTK are also less saturated because the chance of success gets smaller, whereas during the epilogue/coronation the colors and hope return. The Hobbit takes place during a time, when the evil of Sauron has not yet gotten a firm hold over Middleearth, so the overall tone is still optimistic, colorfull.

Regarding the "cartoonish" look, I guess it's rather the new technique and color grading than the "abuse" of CGI, since PJ is, in contrast to George "Let's do everything in CGI, even if practical is easier, cheaper, better" Lucas, still a director who uses (and loves) his minitures (Bigatures) and real sets. Sure, a lot of creatures will be CGI, but from what I have seen in LOTR, PJ only uses CGI, if there is no alternative to it.


Elenorflower
Gondor


Oct 16 2012, 1:10pm

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got to be honest [In reply to] Can't Post

with you, I really dislike the use of 'The Coven'. Frown


Fardragon
Rohan

Oct 16 2012, 1:58pm

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I think when we talk about PJ [In reply to] Can't Post

people understand that it's really PJ and his regular writing team.

Given that Fran in particular prefers to avoid the limelight, I don't think they mind credit (and blame) going to Peter.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


Elenorflower
Gondor


Oct 16 2012, 4:03pm

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Its the term [In reply to] Can't Post

I dont like.Frown


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 16 2012, 4:11pm

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A pile of [In reply to] Can't Post

HS.

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At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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SirDennisC
Half-elven


Oct 16 2012, 4:59pm

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I prefer "shadowy cabal" [In reply to] Can't Post

... "coven" implies more members (is it 12 or 13?)


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Oct 16 2012, 11:24pm

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No need to be over critical [In reply to] Can't Post

Of your prior statements.

LR


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 17 2012, 12:08am

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Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
Life is an adventure, not a contest.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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sphdle1
Gondor


Oct 17 2012, 2:03am

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Cartoony? [In reply to] Can't Post

The only thing I find cartoony looking is a few of the dwarves...that's it. The rest looks pretty awesome and completely non-cartoony.

sphdle1

"The last words Albus Dumbledore spoke to the pair of us?
Harry is the best hope we have. Trust him."


Fardragon
Rohan

Oct 17 2012, 8:36am

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usually 13 [In reply to] Can't Post

but 3 witches is also traditional. Wink

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Oct 17 2012, 5:16pm

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Hamfast of Gamwich
Rivendell

Oct 17 2012, 6:27pm

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I'd say the designs of Radagast and the Great Goblin are also quite cartoony. Obviously Gandalf and all the old characters are the same design as LOTR.

But my point was about the colour scheme rather than the designs anyway.


sphdle1
Gondor


Oct 19 2012, 12:49am

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Colour looks great ... no cartoon there for me [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't like how some movies wash out too much colour. I hope they don't wash out too much in this film and keep the colors vibrant (depending on the mood of the scene and whether it is a darker scene or not). Some movies like the Harry Potter movies and Underworld call for darker washed out looks, and that worked perfect in those movies (even much of the LOTR movies called for it). But The Hobbit movies will have a variety of subplots that will likely call for more contrast between washed out colour and more vibrant color. The scenes they have shown so far in the trailers, I find the colouring is perfect.

And it's going to be that much more awesome in 3D!!!

sphdle1

"The last words Albus Dumbledore spoke to the pair of us?
Harry is the best hope we have. Trust him."

(This post was edited by sphdle1 on Oct 19 2012, 12:50am)


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Oct 19 2012, 1:02am

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I'm all for vibrant natural colors [In reply to] Can't Post

But high resolution fake sets and makeup is where my worries lie...

 
 

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