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Estel78
Tol Eressea

Oct 15 2012, 6:10pm

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Wow, somebody else knows! [In reply to] Can't Post

You, sir, are a fine specimen. Wink

LOVED those games. Btw, as it turns out, the creator of Wing Commander is returning to games after a long hiatus. He needs our support. Wanna pledge money? Head over here:
http://www.robertsspaceindustries.com/

Here's a trailer: http://www.youtube.com/...ed&v=RlIWJlz6-Eg

Sorry for the off-topic. Blush


(This post was edited by Estel78 on Oct 15 2012, 6:11pm)


dave_lf
Gondor

Oct 15 2012, 6:13pm

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If it's for a MMORPG version of Privateer, I'm so in // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Oct 15 2012, 6:16pm

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Well, David's Arnold's main theme was pretty good, IMO... [In reply to] Can't Post

But as for the rest of it, yeah, that film was not the best example of an adaptation!

Creepily, my principal in high school was named Mrs. Kilrathi (or something very similar to it as I recall). Eeek! ShockedCool

"Not tall, but broad and grim...wielding great axes. Out of some savage land in the wide East they come, we deem."


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Oct 15 2012, 6:17pm

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It is. [In reply to] Can't Post

And a Wing Commander style single player / co-op. Both games in one. Provided he gets enough funding.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Oct 15 2012, 6:22pm

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Yeah, the movie adaptation was awful. [In reply to] Can't Post

Chris Roberts is a better game developer than filmmaker, that's for sure.

I see more people chiming in on Wing Commander. Makes me happy. So, so sad that space sims as a genre have pretty much disappeared.


(This post was edited by Estel78 on Oct 15 2012, 6:23pm)


dave_lf
Gondor

Oct 15 2012, 6:23pm

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Are you serious? [In reply to] Can't Post

I didn't really expect that's what it would be, but I've been thinking since forever that someone needed to remake that game as an MMO. I'm going to have to check it out...


sharpened_graphite
Rivendell

Oct 15 2012, 6:23pm

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Would be great! [In reply to] Can't Post

It's about time the space sim genre was brought back in all its glory. There was a real sense of beauty and wonder about those old Wing Commander games, and it's good to see that they apparently intend to recapture it.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Oct 15 2012, 6:36pm

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I am! :) [In reply to] Can't Post

You'll be able to be a merchant, explorer, mercenary or pirate and roam the galaxy with fellow players. The bigger ships can be manned by more players (a pilot, a gunner etc), you will be even able to board other ships and battle on foot like a first person shooter. That's the plan, anyway. I have a feeling he's being a little too ambitious but even if he manages to implement half of that it could be a great game for genre fans.

Here's a one hour video with the reveal and Q&A:

http://www.gamespot.com/...es_gdc_panel20121010


ElendilTheShort
Gondor


Oct 15 2012, 7:52pm

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What is non functional [In reply to] Can't Post

are the dead bones as armour and weapons. After death bones become very brittle. Poor armour and even worse weapons. His mace is simply ridiculous. As Otaku points out all those projections would be more to the detriment of Bolg than any of his enemies.


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 15 2012, 8:12pm

Post #85 of 99 (2917 views)
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Everything in Middle-earth works a bit differently! [In reply to] Can't Post

There's a magic ring that turns the wearer invisible after all! Wink

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Elenorflower
Gondor


Oct 15 2012, 9:57pm

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this Bolg chappie [In reply to] Can't Post

looks a lot like the Austrian/Tyrol Krampus


Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Oct 15 2012, 10:47pm

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rofl you joker you :P ... but seriously ... [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't like it :¬(.. I ultimately wont mind.. but still

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GothmogTheBalrog
Rivendell


Oct 16 2012, 12:19am

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That mace wouldn't work. [In reply to] Can't Post

It's all just too much.

"It was like a great shadow, in the middle of which was a dark form, of man shape maybe, yet greater; and a power and terror seemed to be in it and go before it." ~FotR


Phibbus
Rohan


Oct 16 2012, 1:34am

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Well... [In reply to] Can't Post

I think it would work up to a point (no pun intended.) I wouldn't want to be the first one to get hit with it.

But yeah, long protuberances on either armor or weapons are generally a no-no. They tend to snap off (as likely to injure the owner as the opponent) and channel incoming blows rather than glancing them.

Man is but an ass if he go about to expound this dream.


Fardragon
Rohan

Oct 16 2012, 6:52am

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That would depend on the function. [In reply to] Can't Post

I would imagine the function is to intimidate and humiliate his enemies, and perhaps a superstitious belief that he gains power from the items. Same reasons scalps, shrunken heads, and other body parts are worn in some real life cultures.

Nothing to do with physical protection.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


ElendilTheShort
Gondor


Oct 16 2012, 10:00am

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I was referring to the functionality [In reply to] Can't Post

of armour protecting against weapons and weapons as implements of physical offense. Bone armour and weapons like that would splinter and shatter under relatively little stress. They are a total departure from what has come before from these film makers.

The skull on a helmet in ROTK is totally different. That orc is wearing other protection, the skull is there to terrify with no pretense of offering protection.


(This post was edited by ElendilTheShort on Oct 16 2012, 10:01am)


Fardragon
Rohan

Oct 16 2012, 10:15am

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But that's it, the bones aren't armour, they are decoration and trophies [In reply to] Can't Post

The highly functional weapons and armour are largely designed by the cold, analytical mind of Saruman. We see Mordor orcs have more of a taste for impractical detailing (as seen in Frodo and Sam's Mordor disguise).

Bolg's gear isn't intended to stop a sword, it is intended to intimidate (especially the other orcs he commands).

Red coats don't stop bullets either...

A Far Dragon is the best kind...

(This post was edited by Fardragon on Oct 16 2012, 10:15am)


ElendilTheShort
Gondor


Oct 16 2012, 11:01am

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I thought is was noted somewhere it was armour [In reply to] Can't Post

if not then your point is fair and myself and others commenting on what we thought was armour are wrong, but that thing he holds is definitely a weapon.

Functional arms and armour were not the sole domain of Saruman, at least not intended by my comments, I was talking about all the LOTR arms and armour and other arms and armour seen in TH. Sure it is not faultless, for example there are too many cases of armour with exposed necks which realistically is one of the places on the body to have priority of protection, but at least on the whole the rest of what we have seen has been highly plausible apart from maybe the OTT Witch Kings morning star.


Fardragon
Rohan

Oct 16 2012, 11:05am

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We meet Bolg [In reply to] Can't Post

at home in Dol Guldur, where he is busy torturing prisoners and intimidating minions. He isn't geared for war like most of the orcs in LotR.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Oct 16 2012, 3:24pm

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Agreed [In reply to] Can't Post

There is nothing wrong with orcs wearing clothing and armor that serves purposes other than defense (such as inspiring fear, or being ceremonial). Bolg, in film 1, seems to not be an army captain anyway, so he doesn't need to be that functional. Plus, war chiefs in numerous tribes, kingdoms and empires could wear some incredibly outlandish stuff.

But that's not the problem with Bolg.

The problem with Bolg is that he looks like some cheap fantasy character from an 80s TV show.


dave_lf
Gondor

Oct 16 2012, 3:51pm

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Their *eating utensils* have horse motifs [In reply to] Can't Post

They talk about it in the EE.


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Oct 16 2012, 3:52pm

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My immediate tetative reaction is the same [In reply to] Can't Post

But I still hold that depending on what his role in the film really is the look could work better than it seems to me right now.

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Oct 16 2012, 5:52pm

Post #98 of 99 (2732 views)
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Also not a fan of that one-note design [In reply to] Can't Post

Rohan = horses everywhere
dwarves = everything is angular and geometric
elves = everything is art nouveau mixed with pseudo-Japanese

Though I think the Rohirrim were the best designed of the whole lot, I would prefer a less one-dimensional depiction of cultures.

The design work for the cultures of Laketown, and Dale, seems to be a tad more complex, so there is hope.


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 16 2012, 6:00pm

Post #99 of 99 (2960 views)
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You'll be pleasantly surprised with the cultures of Laketown, Shelob'sAppetite. :-) [In reply to] Can't Post

I hope, anyway! Wink

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