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The One Ring Forums: Off Topic: The Pollantir:
Nerd or Geek?
Poll: Nerd or Geek?
Nerd
Geek
Both
Neither
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View Results (66 votes)
 

SirDennisC
Half-elven


Oct 11 2012, 4:31pm

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Nerd or Geek? Can't Post

Which term do you prefer when applied to yourself?


(This post was edited by entmaiden on Oct 11 2012, 5:18pm)


Patty
Immortal


Oct 11 2012, 4:33pm

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I'm really neither. But I think geeks are awesome. [In reply to] Can't Post

That term implies "superior brainpower" to me, and I've always found that sexy.

Nerds are just, well, nerds.


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Oct 11 2012, 4:38pm

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Both have their negative connotations... [In reply to] Can't Post

But, I think that most of us have come to terms with 'geek'. Especially once we realize that everyone has something that they can 'geek-out' about, whether it is sports, film, comics, etc.


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 11 2012, 4:44pm

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Geeks are great! [In reply to] Can't Post

Nerds are just annoying. Tongue Nobody likes a nerd.


Patty
Immortal


Oct 11 2012, 4:59pm

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Well.. [In reply to] Can't Post

we had someone from the Best Buy geek squad come out to help us with our new TV and he did have a tendency to talk down to us. I find superior brainpower sexy, but when geeks talk down to you, it ain't sexy. It must be combined with people skills, and sometimes the two don't appear in the same brain together.


Starling
Half-elven


Oct 11 2012, 6:49pm

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How would you know which one you are? [In reply to] Can't Post

Do you have to have some kind of test or something? Crazy


Alassëa Eruvande
Valinor


Oct 11 2012, 7:03pm

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Geek! [In reply to] Can't Post

To me, a nerd is someone with poor social skills. Geeks are people who know a lot about a particular subject.

So, Patty, I think your computer geek was also a nerd.

The best kind of geek is one who is eager to share his knowledge, but knows when to back it off when the listener's eyes glaze over. A geek would never talk down to someone less knowledgeable because that would ruin the opportunity to talk about his geeky subject. The geek loves his subject so much he wants everyone to love it, too. Don't y'all feel that way about LOTR? Smile


Patty
Immortal


Oct 11 2012, 7:37pm

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Yes. Well put. [In reply to] Can't Post

And my eyes did glaze over. It didn't help that I had not slept the night before.

I never saw him do it, but his whole aspect was like he wanted to roll his eyes.


Ethel Duath
Half-elven


Oct 11 2012, 9:05pm

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Not Geek. Possibly Minoan [In reply to] Can't Post

Angelic
Evil


Escapist
Gondor


Oct 11 2012, 9:09pm

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I prefer the truth [In reply to] Can't Post

and the truth is it's both Blush


Ardamírë
Valinor


Oct 12 2012, 1:38am

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I don't like Geek [In reply to] Can't Post

It gives me the picture of a small curly-haired boy with glasses. I don't like that picture Laugh

I much more prefer the term nerd. Blush


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Oct 12 2012, 4:41pm

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I use them interchangebly [In reply to] Can't Post

almost always as terms of endearment, for instance here.

When applied to myself though I prefer geek, as this 2008 photo proudly proclaims:


[original thread]

eta: Now that you mention it, I guess my hair is a little curly.Laugh


(This post was edited by SirDennisC on Oct 12 2012, 4:43pm)


Ardamírë
Valinor


Oct 12 2012, 9:14pm

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That's you in the ubergeek shirt? [In reply to] Can't Post

I've always pictured you as Liam Neeson, lol Laugh


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Oct 12 2012, 9:48pm

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That's okay, [In reply to] Can't Post

I've always pictured you as twilight Arwen. Neither of us would be disappointed I'm sure...

Angelic


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 12 2012, 10:14pm

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I bet we all have weird perceptions of what everyone else looks like! / [In reply to] Can't Post

 


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Oct 12 2012, 10:15pm

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Why do you say that old pipe smokin' dude? [In reply to] Can't Post

Laugh


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 12 2012, 10:24pm

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I have to admit ... [In reply to] Can't Post

I thought you were Liam Neeson too. Tongue Sword and all.

TORn should launch a game using user submitted photos - guess the TORn user! Bit easy if you already know what someone looks like....


Magpie
Immortal


Oct 12 2012, 10:40pm

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Kelvarhin does a game like that with baby photos [In reply to] Can't Post

 
here's one: http://newboards.theonering.net/...i?post=204302#204302

here's another http://newboards.theonering.net/...i?post=263797#263797

and here's another http://newboards.theonering.net/...i?post=410333#410333

Some people have photos on their profile page.


Patty
Immortal


Oct 13 2012, 12:19am

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Good to "meet" you, Sir Dennis! [In reply to] Can't Post

You're actually better looking than Liam.Cool


Ardamírë
Valinor


Oct 13 2012, 12:44am

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I just like to look at Liv... [In reply to] Can't Post

But I'm a dude so I'm sure that'll throw a wrench in your mental picture Sly


Ardamírë
Valinor


Oct 13 2012, 12:47am

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I'm sure we do! [In reply to] Can't Post

All the people with no avatars get no mental picture. They are all in the Void.


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Oct 13 2012, 1:20am

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Great, now this is my mental picture: [In reply to] Can't Post


From the comedy "House Bunny" (not bad as light entertainment goes). Image source: http://www.femulate.org/2008_12_01_archive.html


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Oct 13 2012, 1:35am

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Thank's Patty [In reply to] Can't Post

My avatar is in deference to the knight Neeson plays in KoH, more so than the actor.

More in line with the thread, I obtained a replica of the sword he is holding, the Sword of Ibelin. I knighted my son with it, and then passed it on to him. In keeping with the ritual in the movie, I slapped him at the end of the oath... it was the only time I ever struck him (apart from when we were sword fighting). Then he knighted me in return and slapped me right back! Yep good geeky fun! Cool

Heart


Ardamírë
Valinor


Oct 13 2012, 1:43am

Post #24 of 59 (703 views)
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Oh crap [In reply to] Can't Post

That is scaaaary Shocked

Don't think of me like that, lol.


Donry
Tol Eressea


Oct 13 2012, 2:50am

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Geek... [In reply to] Can't Post

Nerd to me still means the math-science-whizz-kinda-person. I would say super-smart, but there are some pretty super-smart folks wandering the halls around here. So, I think the term geek and nerd have wandered apart over the years, geek being what most of us in here are....that is a definition to call home about...


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 13 2012, 9:38am

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It's alright! [In reply to] Can't Post

When I first started posting I thought gramma and Magpie were male. Absolutely no reason why!

Strange, isn't it?


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 13 2012, 9:39am

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Thank you Magpie :-) [In reply to] Can't Post

I should have guessed it had been done before. Those were very tough though ... I think I got one right overall. Unsure


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 13 2012, 9:42am

Post #28 of 59 (558 views)
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Do you get Accused in Canada? [In reply to] Can't Post

It's a BBC programme. You'll never look at Boromir the same again......:

Link


zarabia
Tol Eressea


Oct 14 2012, 4:58am

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Good, bad, or indifferent - I'm probably both [In reply to] Can't Post

I usually use them interchangeably, but I think other posters are on to something when they say that geek has come to mean super-smart or super enthusiastic about something usually not quite mainstream; and nerd is someone (smart or not) with poor social skills. I'd like to think I'm smart, but there's too much proof otherwise Blush. However, I get really excited about things that many "mainstream" types don't. I used to play that down as something to be embarrassed about, but I now let my geek flag fly high and proud Cool I still try to downplay the nerdier aspects of my personality thoughTongue (Like waaay overusing "quotes" Laugh)


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 14 2012, 9:13am

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I heard dork on TV this morning. [In reply to] Can't Post

To me, that's more derogatory than geek and nerd combined. It just doesn't sound very nice! Tongue


Magpie
Immortal


Oct 14 2012, 3:18pm

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A thought provoking book on labels like Nerd and Geek [In reply to] Can't Post

is: Nerds: Who They Are and Why We Need More of Them by David Anderegg

I didn't read this all the way through. At first, it annoyed me. But the more I read, the more I agreed and the more angry I got at the observations he was making. I went back through some emails and found a sort of synopsis I wrote to someone:
The author is making the point that American culture/society (through movies, tv, books, comics, etc.) stereotypes the NERD as someone who is smart and values education but is socially awkward and sexually unattractive. This is, perhaps, easily seen as a stereotype by adults who know it's not entirely accurate. But, he contends, the message it sends to children is more insidious. He thinks it turns them off anything 'intellectual' at a time when they need to be learning. By time they figure out that the stereotype of a NERD isn't accurate, it's too late. They're too behind in things like math and science and can't keep up. He's also tying this into the view American culture takes on the 'intellectual'.

It looks like the book is out of print now: http://www.amazon.com/...e-Them/dp/1585425907
but he's done another book: Nerds: How Dorks, Dweebs, Techies, and Trekkies Can Save America and Why They Might Be Our Last Hope
http://www.amazon.com/...erica/dp/B006CDL97C/

I think Anderegg is coming at this from someone who works with kids. So he's not talking about how labels, the way we use them and the way we define them affect adults. He's talking about how they affect kids. I don't think what he's trying to say affects discussions we have here on TORn about whether we're nerds or geeks and I will use the term geek to apply to my self without shame. But it is interesting to see how children may be internalizing a slightly different message from popular culture's view of 'geeks' that guides their choices.


Alassëa Eruvande
Valinor


Oct 14 2012, 4:03pm

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*ducks wrench* [In reply to] Can't Post

Dude, I thought you were a girl! I guess I should have read your profile. CrazyLaugh

Do you think I'm a little baby? Tongue


dernwyn
Forum Admin / Moderator


Oct 14 2012, 10:10pm

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At least it's not [In reply to] Can't Post

this: the one and only Calisur-wen!

Our Founders are such geeks...Cool!


Ardamírë
Valinor


Oct 15 2012, 12:32am

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You mean you're not a super intelligent genius child!? [In reply to] Can't Post

Lol, it's all good. I just think Liv is gorgeous and especially that shot of her Smile


Ring-Bearer
Rivendell


Oct 15 2012, 4:04am

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I prefer 'Great Admirer of Tolkien' [In reply to] Can't Post

But either one works too Smile


zarabia
Tol Eressea


Oct 15 2012, 5:57am

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Yeah, there's no nice spin you can put on dork :P // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


zarabia
Tol Eressea


Oct 15 2012, 6:11am

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Isaac Asimov wrote several essays on this [In reply to] Can't Post

Though he didn't use the terms geek or nerd, he wrote about the anti-intellectual slant of American pop culture. He cited many examples of heroes who are known more for their brawn than their brains. And scientists are always mild-mannered at best, down right wimpy at worst. Either that or twisted and evil - "the Mad Scientist."

Asimov had the same attitude as Anderegg: we need to embrace and encourage young people who are into math and science instead of making them feel inferior. (I don't remember all the details, I read these long ago when I was a kid. A kid who adored Isaac Asimov. I was, and still am, a geek/nerd Wink)


Kelvarhin
Half-elven


Oct 15 2012, 12:39pm

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So, do you think I look like one of my kitties?// [In reply to] Can't Post

LaughWink


Kelvarhin
Half-elven


Oct 15 2012, 12:41pm

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Did you [In reply to] Can't Post

manage to pick the cute little Magpie?Wink


Alassëa Eruvande
Valinor


Oct 15 2012, 1:17pm

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Well, yes I am, but that's beside the point. [In reply to] Can't Post

TongueCool


Alassëa Eruvande
Valinor


Oct 15 2012, 1:19pm

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Yes, nice to finally see you! [In reply to] Can't Post

I also pictured you as LIam Neeson. Laugh

Is that your boy? What game are you playing?


Magpie
Immortal


Oct 15 2012, 1:57pm

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I was included twice [In reply to] Can't Post

in the 2009 and 2011 editions.

I might have looked cute in the 2009 photo but in the 2011, I looked bossy. And I was. First child... what can I say. :-)


Ardamírë
Valinor


Oct 15 2012, 2:59pm

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Hehe, are you the Etrade baby?// [In reply to] Can't Post

 


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Oct 15 2012, 2:59pm

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If you don't know me by now [In reply to] Can't Post

is the name of one of my favourite Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes songs. Laugh

I always picture you as this super-cute, spunky Texas girl. I bet I'm pretty close on all counts. Wink

The game we are playing is called HeroScape. I ran a thread about it here about 4 years ago. (You can see more pictures of the game in all its geeky glory in there!)

And yes, that is my son Sir Malcolm, whom I love and admire... he's grown a bit since then.


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Oct 15 2012, 3:10pm

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Dork is a strange one to me [In reply to] Can't Post

and its origins quite harsh. IIRC it is derived from Dorcus which was the name of a committee, usually attached to a church, that would take up collections of clothes, food, and unwanted household items for the poor.

Now this is going back quite a ways, to a time when helping the poor was often done by people who were poor themselves (as careers go, there is no money in it obviously). So basically we have a scenario where the name for a person asking others to help the poor came to be used in a derogatory manner. Very strange.


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Oct 15 2012, 3:34pm

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Things you can't unsee. Thanks Daniel :p // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 15 2012, 5:17pm

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If it's any consolation ... [In reply to] Can't Post

It's a very good programme. I'd recommend it. Smile All I could see was Boromir, mind. Wink


Alassëa Eruvande
Valinor


Oct 15 2012, 6:24pm

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Wow, it's as though you can see me through the monitor! [In reply to] Can't Post

Quote: "I always picture you as this super-cute, spunky Texas girl."

Cool

HeroScape looks like it would be a good game for the Eruvandes in a few years. We're still on Castle Panic and its expansion pack at the moment. But it's perfect for our 6 and 11 year old boys.


Kelvarhin
Half-elven


Oct 16 2012, 1:11am

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Yeah I know dear :) [In reply to] Can't Post

But I wasn't about to give any pointers WinkLaugh

Aw but you were a cute bossy too Heart


zarabia
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2012, 1:54am

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Interesting, but... [In reply to] Can't Post

a very sad commentary on attitudes towards the poor.


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Oct 16 2012, 2:38am

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psst kitty [In reply to] Can't Post

I couldn't find an answer key to the (2011) game... and I agree, that's a cute picture of Magpie.


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Oct 16 2012, 2:42am

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Quite... [In reply to] Can't Post

(See, I derail my own threads too.)


Kelvarhin
Half-elven


Oct 16 2012, 2:44am

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Yeah, unfortunately [In reply to] Can't Post

I think the game that year ran foul of one of my illness attacks Frown

The baby one of you isn't too bad on the cute scale either WinkLaugh


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Oct 16 2012, 3:10am

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Thanks Kel [In reply to] Can't Post

That picture looks ancient because, well, it is... but also because it was printed by me about 20 years ago in a black & white darkroom, from a 20 year old (at the time) 126 colour negative. (ETA: I actually dodged out the shadow of the picture taker -- which you can still sort of see -- with my hand during the print exposure lol.)

The b&w image of you in the 2011 thread is all kinds of cute as well.

Heart


(This post was edited by SirDennisC on Oct 16 2012, 3:18am)


sador
Half-elven


Oct 16 2012, 12:38pm

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But it probably applies to me far more than either of the others. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Oct 16 2012, 6:32pm

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Aw Sador, I have great difficulty believing that... [In reply to] Can't Post

perhaps not so much based on the origins of the term, but definitely based on its current usage.

And isn't that what this thread is really about? The current usage of terms? It's cool to be a geek, and to a lesser extent, a nerd (depending on inflection) right now. And many of us can honestly say that "we were geeks before it was cool" -- which makes us hipsters I guess Laugh


imin
Valinor


Oct 23 2012, 11:41pm

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Geek but not that much [In reply to] Can't Post

I think it depends who you are with. At high school compared to some i was geeky, not at uni i am not geeky at all even though i havent changed the level of studying i do etc.

At heart i think i am a geek and i genuinely dont care, lol.


DraugEilianiel
Registered User

Dec 8 2012, 5:49pm

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It doesn't really matter to me.... [In reply to] Can't Post

Based on my memories of childhood (early 90s), at least in my area:

Geek and nerd were used more or less synonymously, but the latter was more common. Common 'preference' of geek evolved because the word nerd hit too close to home, in my opinion. Now that it's actually starting to be cool to be geeky, I am hearing more actual profanity or body-related criticisms coming from children who wish to insult each other. The more things change, the more they stay the same.


Aethelwyne Bolger
Bree


Feb 13 2013, 2:28am

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I guess I'm a Geek [In reply to] Can't Post

In the 80's, I called myself a nerd once, and the mean girls looked down their noses at me and said, no, nerds were cool and there was nothing cool about me. They told me I was nothing but a huge geekUnsure
So I guess I'm a geek, but I need to find a nice way to look at it, not as a self-put-down.
Note: the mean girls tried to dress "nerd chic" by wearing big clown like shoes and high waisted pants and suspenders and ties and fake broken glasses. I just thought they looked goofy!
I preferred my true friends: the band and drama geeks, heavy metal loving, blue jean wearing, some of them rebellious tough attitude in leather and smoking cigarettes...but gentle and kind to all, tough kid or weirdo like me, once you got to know them.Heart

 
 

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