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Jul 23 2012, 4:37pm
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Jul 23 2012, 4:43pm
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Thank you a thousand times for the link!
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"What do you mean, good morning? Do you wish me a good morning, or mean that it is a good morning whether I want it or not, or that you feel good this morning, or that it is a morning to be good on?"-Gandalf the Grey, The Hobbit.
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Groppe
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Jul 23 2012, 4:46pm
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"I saw on TheOneRing this morning..."
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^ Quote from Peter early on in the blog.
Awesome!!!
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Jul 23 2012, 4:47pm
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I JUST finished watchnig the last blog and was wondering when the next one would be. Logged on to facebook and there it is!
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redgiraffe
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Jul 23 2012, 4:51pm
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I might have a heart attack.
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Wandering Ranger
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Jul 23 2012, 4:58pm
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that was one impressive blog and so much revealed! I know there wasn't the footage shown from the films that got premiered at Comic Con but I really don't care. Literally there were things there that jumped out of the book and onto my screen. Dale looks just as I imagined and Beorn's House too. And we get Rosgobal!
So Frodo Baggins boarded the great ship and passed on into the west till the sweet fragrance on the air filled his sense and the sound of singing came over the water. Then it seemed to him that, as in a dream, he beheld white shores and beyond them a far green country. The third age of Middle Earth was over, the days of the Rings had passed and the story and song of those times was at an end.
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DanielLB
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Jul 23 2012, 5:04pm
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Another fantastic video blog! We saw so much!
Dale looked wonderful!
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DanielLB
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Jul 23 2012, 5:05pm
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I wasn't sure if it was or not!
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Jul 23 2012, 5:06pm
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For a moment I thought why are they showing us this town.........
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Ardamírë
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Jul 23 2012, 5:09pm
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OMG! Whoooooooo! Didn't think I'd be this excited over them, but I'm so happy to have them in the film! 
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Tigero
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Jul 23 2012, 5:10pm
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You should add huge spoiler warning
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Radagst house, Beorn house, Dale... I'm sure not all wan't to see them before relase.
Pessimists have no disappointments.
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Jul 23 2012, 5:14pm
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Ah was such an epic blog.
ComicCon looked like so much fun to be involved with, would love to go there one day.
And the sets! Beorns hall looked incredible, just how i imagined it and really felt just right.
Dale for me was not how i imagined (didnt imagine it as Mediterranean) but it doesnt matter from the blog it looks beautiful and i think will give a different character to ME.
Goblin town looks very exciting as well,
argh cant wait for these films to be released!!!!
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Jul 23 2012, 5:14pm
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I was thankful before I saw this...
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But now that I've watched it and seen Radagast involved, I'm ten times more grateful! They did a good job concealing him at the end but we still got to see some of his costume!
"What do you mean, good morning? Do you wish me a good morning, or mean that it is a good morning whether I want it or not, or that you feel good this morning, or that it is a morning to be good on?"-Gandalf the Grey, The Hobbit.
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Calmandcloudless
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Jul 23 2012, 5:15pm
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I'm so glad Rhosgobel's in the movie! Pity that they hazed out Radagast at the end of the vlog though (I'm fairly sure it was him; it sounded like McCoy saying "Why? Where are you going?" in the last scene filmed).
And Dale is gorgeous - one of my favourite sets, of those we've seen so far :D
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Tigero
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Jul 23 2012, 5:15pm
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Anyone else has the feeling there's going to be a huge screencap analyzing spam in a while?
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Groppe
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Jul 23 2012, 5:17pm
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That I was watching the first production blog. Time really has flown! December will be here before you know it.
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Jul 23 2012, 5:17pm
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Differences from Comic-Con footage *spoilers*
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The part of the blog about the actual making of the movie and not Comic-Con is actually pretty close to what we saw at Comic-Con, but they removed all the second-film bits I assume. So the segments showing Bilbo scrambling around in ginormous piles of gold and speaking to Smaug, as well as all the Laketown stuff, looks like it was replaced with instead showing Goblin-town and Radagast. I believe that originally it went from showing Thranduil to a long segment focusing on Bard, Smaug attacking Laketown, and the Master of Laketown. There was also a silly moment involving a large amount of dead fish getting poured over Bifur in his barrel that I didn't notice this time, though I'll have to watch it again to check. New stuff in this one: They did not show anything about the Great Goblin at the Con, and there is a lot more talking to different departments like the prosthetics, etc.
The like 3 seconds of footage they showed towards the beginning is from the 12 minutes they showed at the Con, notice the stone giants?? It's really neat watching all the behind-the-scenes Con stuff, since I was in the crowd, so it's funny seeing PJ and the crew's reactions to OUR reactions about the footage and everything.
Of course I'm looking forward to watching the films tremendously, but I'll miss these blogs. :)
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Jul 23 2012, 5:18pm
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Despite my username, I prefer Gandalf to Radagast...but this film may very well change that!
"What do you mean, good morning? Do you wish me a good morning, or mean that it is a good morning whether I want it or not, or that you feel good this morning, or that it is a morning to be good on?"-Gandalf the Grey, The Hobbit.
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Jul 23 2012, 5:25pm
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As did the Thranduil's cellars. TBH it all looked really great!
Gonna watch it all again, haha!
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Jul 23 2012, 5:27pm
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Although not in Thranduil's costume and wig but still awesome to finally see Lee Pace in The Hobbit blog.
Also excited to see Legi 
11:31 is it Tauriel? If yes, doesn't look bad. I was afraid they make her look like some Hollywood movie hot chick or computer game tomboy but she looks pretty decent.
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DanielLB
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Jul 23 2012, 5:31pm
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Is that not inherently obvious ...? /
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DanielLB
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Jul 23 2012, 5:32pm
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I couldn't watch it in HD. Everything was a bit blurry
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DanielLB
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Jul 23 2012, 5:33pm
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I want to visit!
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DanielLB
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Jul 23 2012, 5:37pm
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I have so much faith in these films
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I really do think these films will exceed my expectations. 
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redgiraffe
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Jul 23 2012, 5:38pm
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The one on the left or the right?
tehe. Just kidding.
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Jul 23 2012, 5:41pm
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Does anyone know how to do screencaps?
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I have a pc with windows
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DanielLB
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Jul 23 2012, 5:43pm
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Orcs or Dwarves at 04:38?
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Ardamírë
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Jul 23 2012, 5:44pm
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was gorgeous. Very well done. I'm looking forward to seeing much more of it. I was surprised when he said it was as big if not bigger than the sets for Minas Tirith and Helm's Deep.
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Jul 23 2012, 5:46pm
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I never ever imagined the way it looks...
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But by far one of my most favourite sets (and locations) from all 5 films.
McCoy was also on the Dale set (05:17) but not in costume. Hmmmm....
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Jul 23 2012, 5:47pm
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Dale looked nothing like I pictured it! Not a bad thing, just a surprise. :)
Loved Rhosgobel; Goblin Town looks wonderfully creepy.
And those teasing glimpses of dragon gold!
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redgiraffe
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Jul 23 2012, 5:48pm
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Orcs or Dwarves at 04:38?
It looks like Dwarves to me.
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Jul 23 2012, 5:50pm
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And a fast move actually, I expected the next vlog to launch early August, but wow, here it is!
Many pieces of the hobbit puzzle get together now, so many aspects unfold...
Cheers to PJ and the hobbit crew! What a great time they had in shooting, hopefully this will translate in a great way on screen.
All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost,
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
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Jul 23 2012, 5:52pm
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Oh and i agree completely with what you said in your post!
I would love to have Beorn's carved chair!
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DanielLB
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Jul 23 2012, 5:52pm
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They all looked very similar though
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Not that it is a bad thing.
Traditional "looking" Dwarves at 07:35!
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dave_lf
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Jul 23 2012, 5:52pm
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Especially since it (presumably) only exists so they can burn it down.
The set is beautiful, but I have to question whether that style of architechure makes sense that far north...
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redgiraffe
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Jul 23 2012, 5:53pm
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it looks like the dwarves behind thorin have a few with different looking armor.
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Jul 23 2012, 5:54pm
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Eeep, I probably should have introduced myself in the Off-Topic section first. Sorry! I got all excited and jumped in.
I agree about the chair! I love the scale of that set.
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grinman
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Jul 23 2012, 5:57pm
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I was actually the most excited to see some Dwarves in full armor! Man, they look great! Now, being that Thorin wasn't in full armor, what do you make of that scene of him leading an army of Dwarves?
My opinion: This is a scene from the first film, not the second. So, this is probably not from the Bo5A. 'm guessing it's from either a flashback or scene depicting the Dwarf/Goblin wars. I came to this conclusion in a few ways. First, they aren't showing much (if anything) from the second film in these Vlogs. Also, Richard Armitage mentioned in an interview early on that the dwarves get decked out in full battle armor for the Bo5A. In my opinion, Thorin also looks (from what I could tell) considerable younger. So, what do you all think?
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Jul 23 2012, 5:59pm
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I had always worried that they would change this part (remove the boat, perhaps just have Gollum climb across a wall or something). I have a vivid memory from my childhood when I first read this. Glad to see Gollum will paddle across the lake! The thought of the sound and glint of his eyes gives me the creeps 
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grinman
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Jul 23 2012, 6:00pm
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Yep, i noticed that too and got a little grin on my face from seeing it. It seems like they're getting so much right and we have yet to see any substantial footage..
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DanielLB
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Jul 23 2012, 6:01pm
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Is this at the 04:36 bit?
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imin
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Jul 23 2012, 6:02pm
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To me they definitely look like dwarves
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The have dwarven hair and helmets from what we have seen from previous blogs. Looked great!
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Jul 23 2012, 6:06pm
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Why didnt' they show Luke Evans and Stephen Fry? They were in this vlog.
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Jul 23 2012, 6:08pm
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That was brilliant, i will miss these blogs.//
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"If more of us valued food and cheer above hoarded gold, it would be a much merrier world."
— J.R.R. Tolkien
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DanielLB
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Jul 23 2012, 6:08pm
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They've edited some pieces from film 2
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It seems they still don't want us to see too much 
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grinman
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Jul 23 2012, 6:09pm
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It's actually at the 2:27 mark. I can't tell, but the dwarf to thorin's back and right (with the gigantic warhammer) might be Dain!
At 4:36 the dwarves are marching through what appears to be a gateway. There's a bright orange light coming through it.... maybe they're marching to meet Smaug's onslaught?
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Jul 23 2012, 6:10pm
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I didnt really have any worries about them not having the little coracle boat as it didnt even enter my mind that they might have him crawl along a wall or something.
When i first read your post i thought you meant you were worried it was going to be another type of boat, imagine gollum on a steam cruise boat, haha!
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Jul 23 2012, 6:13pm
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That, and all of the other fantastical elements (such as Beorn's house) that keep on popping up make this movie feel more like the classic fairytale it should be, though I'm still against many of the changes/inclusions. Either way, I'm really jazzed to see the post-production diaries!
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"You do not let your eyes see nor your ears hear, and that which is outside your daily life is not of account to you. Ah, it is the fault of our science that it wants to explain all; and if it explain not, then it says there is nothing to explain."
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Jul 23 2012, 6:13pm
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More support for this being flashback material
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It also looks like he's carrying his dwarf-sword there rather than Orcrist. I have no idea whether the dwarf behind him is Connely, but it's certainly meant to be a "hero dwarf". Compare him to the cookie-cutter extras that surround them.
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Jul 23 2012, 6:14pm
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Ninja fighting Elves and others ...
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although I'm not sure how faithful to Tolkien's Mirkwood Elves ... I must say they're bloody brilliant! (at 4:34 )
Also, who are the Dwarves at 07:34? hmm I wonder ...
And could that be Dain with Thorin leading a company of Dwarves at Azanulbizar? (2:28) - a definitely younger Thorin and a one-eyed dwarf?
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Jul 23 2012, 6:16pm
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I thought about the sword being a factor, but if they follow the book, Thorin wouldn't have Orcrist at the Bo5A anyways...
I agree though, it's a flashback. I think that's the same warhammer we saw in the last vlog.. the gigantically oversized one that Richard Taylor was holding.
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Jul 23 2012, 6:18pm
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Re-watched it - I see him now!
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Looks like Dain to me
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Jul 23 2012, 6:18pm
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The sets looked nice, but I was incredibly disappointed that we didn´t get more footage! That was what I was looking forward to... :(
Also, Stone Giants! Terrible idea as a literal creature! The only way I could stand them in the book was as a metaphor. :(
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Jul 23 2012, 6:19pm
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I have visions of Gollum water-skiing behind a speed boat
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DanielLB
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Jul 23 2012, 6:21pm
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Connely is supposed to have a mohawk
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It also looks like he's carrying his dwarf-sword there rather than Orcrist. I have no idea whether the dwarf behind him is Connely, but it's certainly meant to be a "hero dwarf". Compare him to the cookie-cutter extras that surround them.
Doesn't seem to be the case though?
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Jul 23 2012, 6:21pm
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Oh well, only four hours to go.
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Jul 23 2012, 6:30pm
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we have been spoiled enough with footage
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There is a trailer coming in September as well.
as for the Stone giant, well I'm not sure how i feel about that quite yet. It depends on how it plays out on screen. There are many fantastical elements in this movie that seperate it from the more gritty world of the LOTR Trilogy.
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Jul 23 2012, 6:36pm
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I'm not too sure how I feel about the Stone Giants being in. I like that they're being faithful to the book in lots of areas, but that was one area I couldn't have cared less about. I never liked the idea of the Stone Giants in the greater mythology of M.E. Oh well.. they're in. I'll still love the movies, I'm sure. Maybe it'll be like ol' Boromir... after the filmic version, I will have a much greater appreciation for Stone Giants and their motivations.
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Ardamírë
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Jul 23 2012, 6:39pm
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And I'm actually kind of surprised to see it. I mean, isn't it all in ruins by the time Bilbo and company reach the lone mountain? So what exactly is being filmed there, I wonder?
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Jul 23 2012, 6:40pm
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Does it ever say that stone giants are made of in the hobbit or anywhere?
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I never thought of them as being made of actual stone like they look from the tiny bit we see of one in the trailer. I always assumed they were giants who chucked stones about and lived in the mountains among the stone?
I dont mind a giant being a giant human of some kind. Gandalf said some were near enough decent or something to that effect so i always thought of them as a bit too big for their surroundings and can get up to evil things but are mostly not on anyones side and just kinda mess about.
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Jul 23 2012, 6:41pm
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I'm guessing that it's either...
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Dale re-built, or Dale before Smaug attacks
We have seen pictures of Dale in ruins as well.
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Jul 23 2012, 6:41pm
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That's what I'm wondering too.
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Is it being used solely to be destroyed? or will we be privy to other scenes in Dale before Smaug ruins it?
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Jul 23 2012, 6:41pm
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The original destruction by Smaug maybe? (another flashback)
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Or is that what Dale looks like after Smaug has gone and the war is over, treasure has been divided and Dale rebuilt?
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Jul 23 2012, 6:45pm
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I felt like I was watching a shot from Ten Commandments or King Kong. That's not exactly a good thing, since it looks like they're attempting to do some sort of visual effect trick, but we should all be able to stomach a bit of campiness every now and then. Though I am not surprised people are going heel turn on this. "Bring it closer to the book!" / "This element from the book sucks, don't do it." sort of thing.
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Jul 23 2012, 6:45pm
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That hug of Ian and PJ... priceless
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You can't even imagine the thoughts running through their heads at that point. They have given so much to these films, they wouldn't want it to never end, but then it ends and this time for real. (?) (Well, there's still pickup shoot)
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Jul 23 2012, 6:46pm
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I'm gonna say it's before Smaug
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Because what really needs to be shown of Dale after it's been rebuilt? It's gotta be for Smaug's attack.
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I'm sure this will be the case
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In a recent interview Peter said we would see snippets of Smaug in the first movie. So I assume the Prologue of part 1 will deal with a flashback of Thorin and the other dwarves fleeing the lonely mountain and Dale being destroyed.
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Ardamírë
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I just don't see why anyone would build all that just to show us what it looks like after all is said and done. More likely it is used to film Smaug's attack. It'll be sad and beautiful to see it all being ripped apart and burned down.
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Jul 23 2012, 6:50pm
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After camping out all night to see this Panel it was great to see some of that footage again. I am so excited for this movie I really can't express properly just how excited I am for it. I made sure to save this video to my Hobbit Vlog Collection.
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Jul 23 2012, 6:51pm
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This giant might also give a reason for the dwarves to seek shelter in the Misty mountains, the same way that The watcher in the water drove the fellowship into the mines of Moria.
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Jul 23 2012, 6:52pm
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This is a quote by me from a thread from almost a year ago:
"I'm fine with there being no large, rock-hurdling creatures in that scene. A thunderstorm high up in a mountain pass at night is about the scariest place in the world to be.. without adding a fantastical (and slightly over-the-top) element to it. It's basically a passing mention in the book and will probably get no mention except maybe in dialogue. For example: "Even the mountain is against us! It's as if giants are hurdling stones down on us to keep us from our quest!" (disclaimer; I am not an author, playwright or screenwriter). I think that would serve as a great nod to the book without needing to have cg creatures in the distance throwing rocks at eachother.
Although, I do have a cool vision in my head of enormous, dark silhouettes exposed when the lightning flashes. but only for brief glimpses."
Anyways, I agree about stomaching campiness in a PJ movie. It's something I can deal with, especially in the context of a more light-hearted look at M.E.
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Yeah i was just throwing the options out there, lol
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i think although nice to see Dale after the attack and everything, it would be a waste to go to so much effort.
To me i think its pre-Smaug like everyone else is assuming, when everything was great in Dale. If that is the case must be weird watching something you have spent so much time designing and building to get burnt a few weeks later!
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Jul 23 2012, 6:52pm
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Definitely dwarves at 4:38. Because of the shields, helmets, hair and way of running.
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It's just one of those little details from the book that I'm really excited to see. I never, ever thought they'd make it into PJ's films, so I'm awfully happy about it.
I've never imagined what they'd look like, so I'm happy with PJ's interpretation. Plus, I expect them to be on screen for no more than five minutes, and probably less than that.
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Jul 23 2012, 6:57pm
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"Oh no! PJ actually did follow the book on something! Blasphemy! How could he do such a thing?!"
He's adapting the book, why do you act surprised that he actually included something THAT IS IN THE BOOK?!
Geez, some people will never be satisfied :P
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I'm actually still kind of confused
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only because I can't imagine building that large of a set for only one scene of destruction. Minas Tirith and Helm's Deep were both large sets, but they were heavily featured in the films. Unless there's been a lot of story expansion, Dale won't be like either of those.
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Jul 23 2012, 6:58pm
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to download this? I'm on a system that limits my GBs. Can't watch it more than once. Want to see it over and over. 
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Ardamírë
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I just don't understand why people are acting like PJ has gone crazy and over the top. Um, the stone giants are in the book, so if anything, it was Tolkien who went crazy.
However, I'm very happy to see the giants, and I even like the way that they look. 
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Jul 23 2012, 7:00pm
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The problem with introducing such insanely huge, powerful creatures are that the audience will (correctly) be confused and asking:
So why aren´t these behemoths anywhere to be seen in LOTR? Why doesn´t Sauron or the good guys try to use some of them?
Whenever Tolkien introduced overpowered characters (Army of the Dead, Bombadill, Eagles, Ents, Stone Giants), he created lots of problems for the logic and plot.
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Jul 23 2012, 7:03pm
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Talk about blowing something out of proportion. I am thrilled with nearly everything I've seen so far. I mentioned that I never liked the stone giants (even in the book) and all of a sudden I'm crying blasphemy? did you also read the part where I mentioned that I'm glad he's following the book so closely? calm down here... I'm perfectly satisfied.
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Jul 23 2012, 7:05pm
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Pleeeeeeease *___*
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I prefer if he only follows the book when it makes for a better movie. Stone Giants are juvenilia; fine in Neverending Story or Dark Crystal, but not in a "serious" fantasy movie.
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Transcripts are created by the members here - we all pitch in. If you'd like a transcript, you are welcome to prepare one and post it here for everyone.
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Jul 23 2012, 7:11pm
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Some screencaps and observations
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I'm sure someone will put a more comprehensive thread together with screen caps but since I am bored and have watched the video several times here are some things I picked up on or found interesting (awesome) for the hell of it
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Stone Giants! I brightened up this cap in photoshop a bit and upped the contrast to get a better idea of the giant's sillouhette. It looks amazing.
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Beorn's House - this looks perfect to me almost exactly what I've always imagined.
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Galadriel - I know we've already seen her but I couldn't help but do a screen cap. She looks beautiful.
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Rosghobel - this set really looks cool. I love the mad scientist atmosphere.
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Sylvester Mccoy - seems like Radaghast is going to be a very interesting character.
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Dale - looks classical Italian but the half timber looking elements and heraldry hanging on the walls reminded me of England. There are also shots that appear more Morrocan as is said in the video. Impressive set.
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I thought the different color banners were interesting here. Any idea what they represent?
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mirkookrim91
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Jul 23 2012, 7:13pm
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... thank you very much! But I actually need one because I'm Italian and I'd like to make a subbed version of the vlog for my friends ;-)
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Boromir2k
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Jul 23 2012, 7:16pm
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They are sure keeping Beorn secret...can't wait to get a first glimpse.
Dale was just gorgeous! I truly envy these ppl getting to work where they do,..
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Jul 23 2012, 7:16pm
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and just before this we can see thorin and a full armour dwarf on action, my guess, thorin looks younguer, his air, and the other dwarf could be conolly? he holds the red hammer we saw on previous vlog
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Jul 23 2012, 7:23pm
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At 2:33 we casn see gandalf and Oin actors hugging, at the back of the shoot we can se what could very well be Thorin´s grave, also Oin is wearinf some kind of armour wich for me, would place it in film two. At least they are shooting some stuff about Oin´s fate in Moria (joking, but not so) but if you look on left a staff grows up between the group, two options maybe:
this is not Gandalf´s hobbit staff we have seen, wo at least it changes during film two could it be Radagst´s?
Radagast at Erebor?
In that case maybe Sylvester just shooted a scene that day and was aroun
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Jul 23 2012, 7:25pm
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Just one thing to say to that...
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Honeycomb
Honeycomb's big...yeah yeah yeah!
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Fantastic work, but the images are very oversized.
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Feel free to repost them within this thread once you've resized them as per our guidelines below:
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Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
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architecthis
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Jul 23 2012, 7:30pm
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I'll re-do the post with clickable links.
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have to admit though, they looked great at that size! //
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Ardamírë
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Jul 23 2012, 7:32pm
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The Hobbit book is juvenile and serious
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I don't see why you can't have some of both, especially since that's how the book is actually written.
The Hobbit was written as a children's book, and I'm glad some of its whimsy is being translated to film.
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grinman
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Jul 23 2012, 7:33pm
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This could very well be "that" scene... but that's VERY speculative at this point. He's definitely wearing armor... that's a sarcophagus-looking thing in the background. Giant candelabra.
I think that's Gandalf's staff, though. I'm wondering if the staff is somewhat like a flower. In the beginning it's in a "bud" state, but as the film progresses, it "blooms" into what we recognize as Gandalf's staff from LOTR. The staff in the scene above, looks very similar to Gandalf's from LOTR...
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Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
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huan
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Jul 23 2012, 7:49pm
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Hi, is there anyone who will share the script? it can be very helpfull.. Thanks..
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cameragod
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Jul 23 2012, 7:56pm
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you can get this add on Video Downloader it should do it.
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DanielLB
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Jul 23 2012, 7:58pm
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Could well be Thorin's grave!
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Link doesn't work IncredibleSmaug /
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Xanaseb
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Jul 23 2012, 8:08pm
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Same here, I almost burst my brain with joy over that too :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Baruk Khazâd! Khazâd ai-męnu!!!!!!!!
I lolled quite a bit when they had Radagast blurred in the last few mins of the blog lol.
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Jul 23 2012, 8:12pm
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Great eyes! Very possible, and Ori wearing (purple!) chainmail makes me think you're right.
Too many spoilers!
*brain implodes*
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Same :D :D I bagsie Beron's chair :P :P //
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Jul 23 2012, 8:30pm
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It seems like they are having fun riding a greenscreen DRAGON?!
Is that just me or is that going to be used as Smaug?
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Jul 23 2012, 8:31pm
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In picture two, I'm assuming that's Dain running next to Thorin.
In picture one, I thought the dwarf in red robes was Dain again (the beard seems to match), but then who would be sitting on the throne there?
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Jul 23 2012, 8:32pm
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Stone giants! stone giants! I`m hyperventilating!
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Jul 23 2012, 8:42pm
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You are right...
I who thought I would be really cleaver seeing Smaug :(
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Jul 23 2012, 8:52pm
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As long as the film makes it quite clear that the stone-giants are a force of nature, and that they couldn't be tamed like trolls or persuaded like Ents, I don't think the audience will have any trouble accepting their absence from Lord of the Rings. I certainly wouldn't want the filmmakers to sacrifice this sequence for the sake of nit-picky consistency with another film.
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I agree, very cool looking, love the scale! //
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Might be the best thing in these films!
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Jul 23 2012, 8:59pm
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And thank you for getting the link to work! //
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Jul 23 2012, 9:00pm
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So much to process.
"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.
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Jul 23 2012, 9:02pm
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So many great screencaps!!
-Bombur being fitted with armor
-Bombur being gripped by (what appear to be) green screen talons
-Bifur riding an eagle!
-dwarves and people carrying goods in Dale (pre-dragon?)
-barrels with Laketown in the background (notice the fish skewered on Bifur's head-axe)
-Thorin leading the dwarves out of the "gate". You can see his sword/arm/head ahead of the company.
-Legolas is carrying a sword!
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I thought it was Smaug as well
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It took me a while to realise it was an eagle ... I hope it's not Smaug anyway ...
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DanielLB
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So many great screencaps!!
-Bombur being gripped by (what appear to be) green screen talons
I can't decide whether it seems to be eagle talons or spider claws/legs?
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based on the fact that he looks like he's covered in soot from a fire.. also, they are gripping him in a way that I don't think looks much like a spider.
my first thought was "spiders", though... until I noticed the soot.
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Glad to see them, but would have prefered "not seeing" them
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I'm really happy they made it into the film, but i always imagined that PJ could just show us their shadows or blurry without details, left in the twilight.
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Eruonen
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Jul 23 2012, 9:17pm
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That is what it looks like ....and I think they were just horsing around..
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The scale of the Eagle should be larger if you recall Gandalf atop Orthanc and the rescue of Frodo and Sam.
I think the CGI will take care of the scale issue.
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Jul 23 2012, 9:24pm
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This is some epic stuff here. Dale, Heirs of Durin, dwarves in full armor, stone giants...My goodness. Best vlog yet.
One thing: I don't think the dwarf army is from Azanulbizar. Rather, I think these scenes come from a flashback showing the defense of the Lonely Mountain from Smaug's first attack... This is largely because the setting seems to be a very built, dwarven environment, and we even get a quick shot of a dwarf on a throne (likely Thror) as well as an advisor of sorts.
Outside the gates of Moria would, I think, look very different.
Thoughts?
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Jul 23 2012, 9:29pm
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Amazing footage and very moving. I feel like crying (in a good way)
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duats
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Jul 23 2012, 9:33pm
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Don't know if this has been talked about
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But does anyone else think it's Radagast that says, "Why? Where are you going?"
A lot of people at Comic Con speculated that it was Bilbo, but Gandalf wasn't around the company when they were in Mirkwood, and Gandalf seems to have just survived a battle (Thrain?). I'm thinking this is after Gandalf's initial visit to Dol Guldur.
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Jul 23 2012, 9:35pm
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Looks a lot like the dwarf we see running next to Thorin, which is most likely Dain.
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Xanaseb
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Jul 23 2012, 9:36pm
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Favourite screen shot!! :D :D Regal Dwarf lords, in -superb- costumes. More than superb, I love them to bits
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Another thing people. SO MUCH BEARD!!!!!!!!!!!
everywhere you look! Beard, beard, beard! :D hehehehe
Join us over at Barliman's chat all day, any day!
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DanielLB
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Jul 23 2012, 9:45pm
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I think it's Radagast as well - didn't sound like Freeman to me /
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dwarf_girl
The Shire
Jul 23 2012, 9:48pm
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She has a nice hair colour.
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BeornBerserker
Lorien
Jul 23 2012, 9:48pm
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Just as I imagined. Loved the scale of it and the craftsmanship was amazing.
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Jul 23 2012, 9:51pm
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"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.
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Bombadil
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Jul 23 2012, 9:51pm
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Phillia gives away A major hint!..
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In the one interview with just SPJ& Her..
the microphone barely
picks up...
"When Gandalf tells the tale of Smaug?"
So it seems that somewhere along the journey
(Hopefully around a campfire)
Cinematicly. OUT OF A SMOKE-RING..
RISES
the quick points of the distuction&banishment...
in a smoke ring 3D..cgi that doesn't give away his
Solid presense in Film 2.
Thorin stands up and Blows this illusion into
the air...A real rallying cry to stoke their
Quest..
Remember
this a 3D movie and any thing is possible
with SPJ in charge
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dwarf_girl
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Jul 23 2012, 9:51pm
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I screamed when I saw Radagast
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And he even wasn't with his costume and all. He just chirped and played with his spoons. Awwwww!
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Jul 23 2012, 9:52pm
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I would LOVE to see dwarves like that
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To me they are the most dwarf like of all the dwarves.
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elanesse
Rivendell
Jul 23 2012, 10:05pm
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he looks similar and like a darf from the trilogy.
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JWPlatt
Grey Havens
Jul 23 2012, 10:05pm
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Why is it always Philippa and never Fran? I remember being confused during Lord of the Rings about who was married to whom. If married anyone was, because they always said "partner" - not "husband" or "wife." So I ended up thinking "What a strange arrangement."
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Calmandcloudless
Lorien
Jul 23 2012, 10:06pm
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I'm fairly sure that's the voice of Sly McCoy :)
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DanielLB
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Jul 23 2012, 10:07pm
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Was that not his costume when he was making bird noises?
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I was a little worried.
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Bombadil
Half-elven
Jul 23 2012, 10:07pm
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Of the 3 wizards only 2...had settled down
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So Rhosgobal..is diametrically opposed to
Orthanc..
Beautiful thinking on all involved.
His is at earth level within a great tree
Orthanc is towering over the landscape
What a beautiful contrast...
Xoxo Bomby
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DanielLB
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Jul 23 2012, 10:08pm
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100% sure it's McCoy.
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imin
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Jul 23 2012, 10:10pm
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As does Oin i think. Its not that i dont like the dwarves from the hobbit, i do like them apart from Kili and axe in Bifur's head but thats old news now!
I just felt those linked to had the great big beard and just somehow looked dwarvish, i cant really explain it other than i loved their design and they fit my mental image.
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imin
Valinor
Jul 23 2012, 10:11pm
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imin
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Jul 23 2012, 10:13pm
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Makes his eyes look really weird!
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They meant to make his pupils bigger or is it actually way darker in there than we see on the screen cap?
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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor
Jul 23 2012, 10:18pm
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Love the dwarf masks on the dwarven soldiers!
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Excellent bit of detail, which draws on descriptions in the Sil...
I am now quite convinced that these particular scenes are not from Azanulbizar, nor from BofA (as we have an armourless Thorin, with the very same dwarf sword he has before the trollshaws) but from a scene depicting a defensive act against Smaug's first attack on Erebor.
I also think that the reason we have been given such an extensively detailed and massive set of Dale, is that we will see a lot of action there in an extended flashback that includes Bard, etc. AND help from dwarven soldiers, who may enter Dale to help protect it from Smaug. That help from the dwarves might feed into why the people of Laketown revere Thorin and Company so much when they arrive...
Otherwise, I cannot see why PJ and company would have spent so much money, time and effort on such a massive set. We will be seeing lots of drama there, I think.
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elanesse
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Jul 23 2012, 10:18pm
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Is that also Evangeline Lily?
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SirDennisC
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Jul 23 2012, 10:20pm
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The sword we see Pace swinging around
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looks an awful lot like Hadafang (aka Arwen's Sword).
Yes it was nice to see Lee Pace. I've never seen him in anything before (apparently I will this November 21 as he is named in Twilight: Breaking Dawn Pt 2.) He seems very reserved personality wise.
I agree too that it was nice seeing Legolas. At first glance his costume and equipment looks very much like what we saw in LOTR.
And if that isn't Tauriel, it must be her double... she looks very much like Kate in the face but also in the way she moves. (Good catch!)
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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor
Jul 23 2012, 10:21pm
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Wonderful little film, with a fantastical flair.
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HiddenSpring
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Jul 23 2012, 10:23pm
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Suggestive and shadowy, like something out of a dream.
This vlog gives me hope The Hobbit will have the necessary fairy tale feeling that makes it unique - and poignant, once the political side of the last half comes into play.
The tone/aesthetic should be a lot different from the nature vs. industry play of the first LotR film (though that was very beautiful too).
Beorn's house is particularly exquisite.
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Maiarmike
Grey Havens
Jul 23 2012, 10:28pm
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First thing that struck me: Those sets are INCREDIBLY impressive!
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I think they might even rival LotR's best sets, including Minas Tirith, and Helm's Deep. Dale looks amazing, Rhasgobel looks amazing, Beorn's Hall is stunning.
"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien
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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea
Jul 23 2012, 10:28pm
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my biggest OH MY GOOOOOOD scene was Orlando Bloom and Lee Pace practising together the Elven movements?
It just....
Seeing all the sets was wonderful, but that quick shot was such a mind bending trip inside Middle-Earth, inside the countless fanfics read during all these years, trying to imagine what Tolkien and PJ left unshown.
Shivers, friends, shivers.
But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied
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Valinor
Jul 23 2012, 10:31pm
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I agree with you i think he is just practicing. There seems to be some wooden swords just behind that would be perfect for practicing with. Maybe he moved on one stage from wooden sword, lol.
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imin
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Jul 23 2012, 10:33pm
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That was what i noticed most i think as well
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For me they are even better than Minas Tirith and probably Helms Deep. I really liked Meduseld.
I want to live in Beorns house its that cool to me, lol.
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SirDennisC
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Jul 23 2012, 10:34pm
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I agree it looks great. The view shown must be from a prologue or when Thorin talks about how Smaug came to reside in Erebor.
The VO (not sure whose voice it was) said it looked Moroccan or Italian... Mediterranean covers it I think. (And now I wonder if we were looking at Dale here at all?)
Seeing the sets, and in light of PJ's comments, it makes me wonder what all the fuss was recently about not using miniatures (or bigatures) as they did in LOTR.
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DanielLB
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Jul 23 2012, 10:36pm
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These photos are definitely of Dale
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I agree it looks great. The view shown must be from a prologue or when Thorin talks about how Smaug came to reside in Erebor. The VO (not sure whose voice it was) said it looked Moroccan or Italian... Mediterranean covers it I think. (And now I wonder if we were looking at Dale here at all?) Seeing the sets, and in light of PJ's comments, it makes me wonder what all the fuss was recently about not using miniatures (or bigatures) as they did in LOTR. |
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Jul 23 2012, 10:37pm
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And yeah that is Dale can see some of the photos are exactly where some people in the blog were standing. Looks like it has been destroyed and trees have encroached into the town.
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SirDennisC
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Jul 23 2012, 10:45pm
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Well Hadafang was invented by PJ and co for LOTR
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so they have absolute control of its provenance. IIRC it was made for an ancestor of Elrond's, passed from him to Arwen. It was wielded by Elrond in the prologue of LOTR so it is unlikely that he gave it to Thranduil before giving it to Arwen.
Unless it was intended for the eldest elf daughter in the entire family? Perhaps then he did give it to Thranduil who then gave it to Tauriel, and upon her death it passed back to Elrond to give to Arwen, assuming she is next in line (according to age or family line)? In any event, again they can do whatever they want since it is an invented sword... ending up in the hands of an invented character should not be a problem at all.
ETA: of course he may be just practising with a sword that happened to be at hand. The dwarfs were using bokken during their axe (combat) training. Or perhaps it is a twin to Hadafang... one for Arwen, the other for Tauriel?
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Jul 23 2012, 10:45pm
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I think that's Tauriel's double
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I'm 90% sure that is the same actress who does the leaping attack stunt earlier in the video, which leads me to think she is a stunt double - probably Tauriel's stunt double as facially she seems to have a bit of a similarity to E. Lilly, but I don't think it's Lilly.
Might be wrong though.
* crunch *
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SirDennisC
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Jul 23 2012, 10:49pm
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Okay thanks for the recommendation
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... though between you and me, I'm rather looking forward to seeing him in Breaking Dawn, just ahead of the Hobbit release.
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DanielLB
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Jul 23 2012, 10:51pm
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Like you say, there is no reason why it couldn't be Hadhafang.
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Giving it that backstory might be a bit complicated (not that it would need explaining on screen). I like the idea of your ETA though, SirDennisC.
There's already beater and biter, basher and nasher (I can't remember what Dwalin's are, as revealed at SDCC) ... how about ... Hadhafang and Hashabang?
By the sounds of it, your hoping Tauriel snuffs it?
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Bladerunner
Gondor
Jul 23 2012, 10:53pm
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The one-eyed dwarf could be Thrain...
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He lost an eye during the battle of Azanulbizar.
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TheSexyBeard
Lorien
Jul 23 2012, 10:54pm
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So many great details! Spilt second shots of the Trolls moving and a Stone Giant, Dwarven soldiers! The sets are incredible, its great to see Rhosogobel, and Berons house - the carvings were brilant and its cool how it built to be in scale with the dwarves. Looks like the Humphries face will be the basis for the Great Goblin is the same way as Serkis and Gollum.
Any possibility of the Dwarf we think is Dain could be pre-Dol Guldor Thrain?
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Rohan
Jul 23 2012, 10:55pm
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I would hardly call the LOTR trilogy gritty. Ents anyone? I think those stone giants look magnificent.
"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair; and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."-J.R.R. Tolkien
"Thanks for the money!" -George Lucas
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SirDennisC
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Jul 23 2012, 10:56pm
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I agree it looks like her, but then the Goblin or Orc
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looks like Sharku from LOTR. Perhaps in The Hobbit we will see how he got the scars and metal plates on his head?
Has there been any mention of how many of the key actors did double duty under prosthetics (for instance played a Dwarf and a Goblin?)
Wait... duh... is that the Goblin King? So much to process...
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Lorien
Jul 23 2012, 10:57pm
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From what I've read, I think that Peter and Fran made a decision that only Peter would be in the spotlight, so that the effect on their family life could be minimised as much as possible. So although Fran is a very active partner in the scripts and production side (I believe she even did some directing in LotR - the snow on Mount Caradhas), she stays out of limelight.
She was there to accept the Oscars with Peter and is on the director's commentaries for the DVDs.
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R11
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Jul 23 2012, 10:57pm
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I've always viewed the stone giants kind of like an extension of the way American Indians viewed many things in nature, attributing human elements to them in their stories etc. The Stone Giants were essentially the source of the thunder in the storm via their boulder throwing etc. They were closely tied with the embodiment of the storm itself, and to that end they were exactly the reason the crew took shelter in what they thought was just a cave. That kind of outlook also explains why they were never seen at other times as well and weren't regular "bad guys" per se.
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Gondor
Jul 23 2012, 11:02pm
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because of the one-eye.
Besides, Dain and Nain were from another Dwarven contingent, so Dain and Thorin would likely not have fought alongside one another during the dwarf/orc war.
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SirDennisC
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Jul 23 2012, 11:02pm
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Rather than run the risk she will be inserted in LOTR?
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don't you?
(Seriously though, I don't really care about that sort of thing since I have several copies of the original films on DVD. It was more of a problem when Lucas did it (oh crap am I going to get banned?) since there were fewer copies of the TR floating around back then.)
Here's a thought: she doesn't die in Bo5A, rather the rumoured third film will be about her and Kili's forbidden love.
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DanielLB
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Jul 23 2012, 11:05pm
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Arwen at Helm's Deep didn't work. But it would be very easy to photoshop Tauriel's head on instead
After the death of Kili, she moves onto Haldir?!
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Tampa Phil
Rivendell
Jul 23 2012, 11:09pm
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Did others notice this?
TP.
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R11
Lorien
Jul 23 2012, 11:11pm
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I've never seen any problems for the logic and plot due to any of those things
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I think it's just the people who have unbending, uncreative, unimaginative minds that have those issues. Those are the same people who prefer hard "sci-fi" over more fantasy based things as well I believe.
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Jul 23 2012, 11:14pm
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Orcrist in Legolas' possession?
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It sure looks like Orcrist that Legolas has by his side in his short fighting sequence @ ~7:40-~7:53.
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Jul 23 2012, 11:16pm
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Most likely, you can see the back of what has to be him @ 13:05.
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duats
Grey Havens
Jul 23 2012, 11:22pm
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We see what is presumably Thrain later on in the blog (scraggly hair/beard, diseased skin), and he looks nothing like the dwarf running alongside Thorin.
I'm thinking it's Dain, and it's no stretch that PJ would have reworked the BoFA to have these two kings fighting alongside each other,
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Rohan
Jul 23 2012, 11:29pm
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Certainly is! Thieving elf!
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Gondor
Jul 23 2012, 11:33pm
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Except that scene doesn't seem to be from The Battle of Five Armies...
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and Dain is supposed to have a mohawk by then.
I don't think Peter will reveal Dain quite yet....
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Jul 23 2012, 11:39pm
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Agreed, this doesn't look remotely like they are outside Moria, but rather inside somewhere heading out, and I can't think where else that would be besides Erebor (there are quills on a desk to the left). It jacks with canon to have Thorin of fighting age at the coming of Smaug, but that's what I'm leaning toward for now. With all the little (and major) changes they have made so far, it would not surprise me.
Still can't decide if that is Dain, Thrain, or someone else next to Thorin.
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Jul 23 2012, 11:41pm
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Well, it goes to show that there are other forces at work in Middle-earth that AREN'T tied to Sauron or some other prominently featured character.
Why aren't they found anywhere in LOTR? Because the giants are present in the northern end of the Misty Mountains, a location that the Fellowship avoids visiting, and they're too far away from Mordor, Moria, or Isengard to be of any direct relevance there.
And why doesn't anyone try to use the Stone-Giants? Because they're Stone-Giants! Who would try to manipulate something that overly destructive and powerful? Imagine the trouble Melkor must have had dealing with Ungoliant in "The Silmarillion". Now imagine the trouble Sauron would have keeping a bunch of giants under his control without tearing his armies to pieces.
Or perhaps they did participate in the War of the Ring on Sauron's side, but we didn't see any of that happen because they were just too far away from the setting of the story. Either way, they're not going to show up in a story just because they exist in its universe. It's like why you never see certain planets, aliens, or technology in the Star Wars movies, even though they exist in the overall mythology of the franchise.
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Jul 23 2012, 11:47pm
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Rhosgobel! Dale! Dwarf warriors (from a flashback to the fall of Erebor)? Hints of Tauriel and Radagast...And our first good look at an Orc (NOT a Goblin, very reminiscent of Sauron's mooks from the trilogy...perhaps Legolas/Tauriel fighting the forces of the Necromancer)?
And Stone Giants! Made of stone...that's sort-of bizarre, isn't it? In any case, very cool!
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!
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Jul 24 2012, 12:03am
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If you go by the book, when Smaug attacks Erebor, Dain would have been about three years old.//
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pulpfiction16
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Jul 24 2012, 12:12am
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It's the same logic that leads to the justifiable questions "why didn't they just have the army of dead sweep into mordor, killing all the orcs" (Jackson had them clear out Minas Tirith in the film, which wasn't in the books, but made more sense, in my opinion), or "why don't the eagles just fly in and drop the ring in Mount Doom" (seeing as they can combat the nazgul quite well, and that would effectively be Sauron's only line of defense against flying creatures).
The force of nature logic works for some things, but it is a bit plot convenient when the so called 'force of nature' more often than not will give allegiance to the protagonists when they need it in convenient moments.
The eagles are a deus ex machina, for sure. Tolkien was an amazing world building, thematic writer. Narratively though, there are a lot of moments that are 'on the nose', so to speak.
If it takes more rationalizing to explain why those creatures *aren't* involved, then there's probably something off.
However, I'm talking more about creatures as a whole rather than specifically the stone giants, or say the Watcher in Fellowship of the Ring. Those don't irk me, and I can buy the 'they just weren't around'. Those flying deus ex machina Eagles though ..
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Jul 24 2012, 12:30am
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I would love for him to come paint some murals in my house!//
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Ardamírë
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Jul 24 2012, 12:34am
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And I'm very anxious to see it. I wonder though, which film it would be in? If film one, we will most likely not see Smaug, but i feel like it would be crammed into film two...
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Jul 24 2012, 12:37am
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All the battle scenes involving sieges are filmed in a pretty 'gritty' manner. Flying decapitated heads, crumbling city walls, ultra violence. It's also all handled very seriously and straight-faced. It's as Peter said, about handling the material as if they were filming a documentary in the location that it happened.
I guess for reference an un-gritty handling of fantastical warware might be Narnia films.
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Meduseld is my absolute favorite!
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Rivendell is a very, very close second, but Meduseld is simply gorgeous. Absolutely phenomenol. I can't even imagine what it must have been like to stand out there on the hill surrounded by the white topped mountains...
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Every time I see a vlog and want to discuss it on theonering.net, everyone has already said everything there is to say.
Oh well...guess I'll just express my modest joy at what I've been able to see.
Yay!
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Ardamírë
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With how many and how big the sets are, the issue of cgi seems like less of a big deal. The Dale set is so gorgeous, but the Italian or Moroccan feel is definitely not how I imagined it. Somehow it feels too modern. Oh well, I still love it and I'm sure it'll look brilliant on film.
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There's still plenty of us here who will discuss with you!
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Jul 24 2012, 1:02am
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I spend 99% of my time with TORn on in the background, frequently refreshing and reading posts. The odd time I actually leave my computer for a few hours and some news comes out!  I wonder, if I turn my laptop off for a week, you guys could have the biggest news week ever. Although, I don't think it works that way.
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Jul 24 2012, 1:02am
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Thorin, Thrain, Erebor, Dale etc.
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Shelob'sAppetite writes: "Excellent bit of detail, which draws on descriptions in the Sil...
I am now quite convinced that these particular scenes are not from Azanulbizar, nor from BofA (as we have an armourless Thorin, with the very same dwarf sword he has before the trollshaws) but from a scene depicting a defensive act against Smaug's first attack on Erebor.
I also think that the reason we have been given such an extensively detailed and massive set of Dale, is that we will see a lot of action there in an extended flashback that includes Bard, etc. AND help from dwarven soldiers, who may enter Dale to help protect it from Smaug. That help from the dwarves might feed into why the people of Laketown revere Thorin and Company so much when they arrive...
Otherwise, I cannot see why PJ and company would have spent so much money, time and effort on such a massive set. We will be seeing lots of drama there, I think."
I agree Thorin is certainly younger here, so it can't be the BoFA. I would love this to be the battle of Az., but I don't think it is either. For it to be the coming of Smaug re-writes everything, but I don't see why pre-Smaug Dale would be given a set the size of Minas Tirith if they weren't going to do something like what you said.
The more I look at these shots below, the more I think that is Thrain next to Thorin (missing eye and all). Thrain is supposed to lose his eye in the battle of Azanulbizar, but whatever  The second would be Thrain after the Necromancer gets a hold of him. Yick!
Compare to this:
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Jul 24 2012, 1:11am
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OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
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PJ you've made my day! I was practically hyperventilating when I saw this! This film is going to be magnificent, I can already tell I'm going to enjoy it 10 times more than LOTR! Jeez, this whole video was so beautiful
Those stone giants are fantastic, you really get the enormous sense of scale, like a force of nature brought to life.
That dwarf army must be a flashback, Thorin has a different coat and darker hair. I don't think that can be Dain with him, he's too old - maybe Nain? Would make sense for Dain to inherit his father's weapon. Those dwarf lords in their furs and finery look great, as do the armoured soldiers!
Can't get enough of those absolutely breathtaking sets. They have really outdone themselves: Rhosgobel, Beorn's house, Goblin town, and Dale! Oh, Dale is just exquisite. I wonder how it will feature?
I'm so glad to see little details such as Gollum's boat, the honeycomb and carvings in Beorn's house, the Mirkwood elves wearing autumn colours. Radagast is going to be a very lovable character I can see, and Tauriel and Galadriel both look gorgeous (though in the former's case also like a warrior!)
Finally, the cameos of eagles and wargs make me eager for the next trailer, to be in full CGI please and thank you
What a wondrous journey this must have been with all those extraordinarily agreeable people, cast and crew. Beside my excitement this made me quite sad. My tears were a mixture of joy and desolation....
When it's time to pray, we'll be dressed up all in grey, with metal on our tongues, and silver in our lungs.
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QT wrote: "I spend 99% of my time with TORn on in the background, frequently refreshing and reading posts. The odd time I actually leave my computer for a few hours and some news comes out! I wonder, if I turn my laptop off for a week, you guys could have the biggest news week ever. Although, I don't think it works that way."
Try it. Maybe the movie will come out earlier!
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Jul 24 2012, 1:20am
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I'm confused.
The blog is great, loved it. But why did they build such a big set of the ruined city of Dale...especially since it's not in ruins...?
I know it could be for a prologue/flashback, it probably is, I just want someone to relieve my fears...they haven't combined Laketown and Dale, have they?
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Jul 24 2012, 1:23am
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No, I don't think they have combined them
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since we've seen glimpses of Laketown elsewhere and it's quite grim and ramshackle, and built on stilts over the water like in the book.
When it's time to pray, we'll be dressed up all in grey, with metal on our tongues, and silver in our lungs.
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Bagheera
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Jul 24 2012, 1:30am
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Now that mention it, I remember that quote about the stilts and the ramshackleness, etc. Thank you.
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Jul 24 2012, 1:33am
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I would have given the kid a mark!
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the contrast to dale and laketown
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I think by showing how splendid Dale was back in its heyday will help greatly contrast to laketown's current state and the more subdued and fearful state of Man during the Hobbit. Imagine those glorious Dale flashbacks in comparison to the corrupt and seething city on the lake.
Also I think that despite Dale having a funky Mediterranean vibe, I believe the art direction is meant to reflect maybe a breezier time in Middle Earth history and also the filmmakers trying to differentiate this society as compared to others in The Hobbit and in LOTR.
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Jul 24 2012, 1:51am
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...Did I just see a frickin LLAMA walking through Dale?!
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When it's time to pray, we'll be dressed up all in grey, with metal on our tongues, and silver in our lungs.
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L.J. Kiosq
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Jul 24 2012, 2:01am
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I love that scene in the vlog at 7:40 where Legolas is just about to square off against a bunch of orcs and he has this great killer look in his eyes.
I'm a guy, but I will admit that I had a fangirl attack right at that moment and squealed.
Is that wrong?
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Yes :P .......whatever makes you happy :) //
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I love that scene in the vlog at 7:40 where Legolas is just about to square off against a bunch of orcs and he has this great killer look in his eyes.
I'm a guy, but I will admit that I had a fangirl attack right at that moment and squealed.
Is that wrong?
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Jul 24 2012, 2:44am
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That is some pretty grim homework
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The graph plots the time between when a person's chest hits the steering wheel and their head hits the dash in a collision. No wonder kids want to escape into fantasy worlds full of undying evil.
And forget my advice. We can wait until Dec 14th for the movie, but we couldn't do without you!
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Jul 24 2012, 2:51am
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The surface of this vlog has hardly been scratched //
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Embrace your inner fangirl! :D /
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Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
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Jul 24 2012, 3:34am
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I agree you are probably right, but ...
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... not only does his weapon suggest he might be Dain, he also arguably could be said to have a mohawk of sorts (look at the white strip of hair on the top of his head).
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 24 2012, 4:27am
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...did it make more sense for the army of the dead to clean house on the Pelennor, than just take care of the bad guys controlling the ships?
IMO, it was a very poor story-telling decision by PJ and company, which cheapened the entire battle of the Pelennor...
Tolkien had it right there.
In any event, I am still loving this vlog.
And yes, I think Legolas has Orcrist!
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 24 2012, 4:38am
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As a Roman city in Britain, such as Bath.
In that context, its destruction, followed by the movement of its peoples from a stone city to a wooden one, mirrors the movement of native Britons from "haunted" Roman cities, to wooden ones built right outside the abandoned city. This happened almost without fail in post-Roman Britain, from Bath to Londinium.
In that sense, even if the film-makers did not intend it (though I suspect Alan Lee and John Howe did), I love the parallels. Quite appropriate.
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Jul 24 2012, 4:39am
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That are related to the axe-in-the-head gag!
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Shelob'sAppetite
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But is that Billy Connolly?
Sure doesn't look like it. Unless they have completely submerged him beneath prosthetics, which would be a waste of his excellently dwarven face...
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 24 2012, 5:03am
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The only bit I didn't like was Rhosgobel
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Looks far too fantasy-cliche, California psychedelic memorabilia theme-shop to me, with the crystals and the strangely shaped objects, and all that.
Pretty sure I once bought a cheap 3D Pink Floyd poster in a place like that...
Has the mark of PJ all over it. My guess is that Howe and Lee created something less over-the-top, and PJ said "get crazier!"
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 24 2012, 5:14am
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I would almost say with certainty that what we see here in the background is Thorin's tomb.
1. It looks like a tomb. A Stone bier, similar to the one Denethor burns himself on, only with a decidedly dwarven aesthetic.
2. There are long stone lamp-posts surrounding it, with candles on top. This suggests a place that will be hallowed.
3. Ori seems to be wearing dwarven chain-mail, which must be the gear he acquires in the Lonely Mountain horde.
That's a pretty massive spoiler right there...Think PJ's team missed it?
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 24 2012, 5:37am
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Looks to be Fili and Kili in a burned out Dale, judging by the Roman-looking ruin and fresco behind them, as well as clear evidence of fire.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 24 2012, 5:43am
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Could well be. Either that, or another section of Thranduil's halls.
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My overwhelming impression from this vlog
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is that the cast and crew have had a blast making these films. :)
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 24 2012, 6:11am
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Looks like the company will certainly walk through the ruins...
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Jul 24 2012, 6:11am
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While I loved the trilogy the army of the dead sequence just wasn't handled well in my opinion. It seems like a bit of a cop out to have people who can't be killed winning the battle. It kind of lessened the importance of the rohirrim and everything else.
I think they should have extended the entire thing as well. They should have had the whole stone of erech thing in there and just had it to where the army of the dead defeated the corsairs allowing Aragorn to take an army of southern gondorians on the ships with him.
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Jul 24 2012, 6:19am
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That's definitely McCoy responding to McKellen.
Gandalf: I need a horse.
Radagast: Why...where are you going?
Gandalf: In search of answers.
Looks like this takes place in Mirkwood. Seems to me that Rhosgobel will be situated inside Mirkwood, rather than on the eaves...My guess is that Gandalf has a chat with him in the hovel, and then decides he must go to Dol Guldur at once.
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Jul 24 2012, 6:58am
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Dain or Thrain, and a Dwarven wall gathers no moss
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Billy Connolly also said Dain had tattoos on his head. I've the feeling his mohawk would be of the more radical type. But I could be wrong about the whole thing.
What really intrigues me are the gouges on the walls in this shot, and even more, what looks like moss growing in them. How did these get there? If this was Erebor at the height of dwarven rule, why would they leave such blemishes in their walls long enough for moss to grow? They are stone masons. They would fix something like that if it was in a prominent spot.
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DanielLB
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I've watched enough of his Doctor Who episodes to know it's him
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Xanaseb
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Great spot DarkJackal, and I agree, it can't be at the xenith of Dwarven Erebor.. I'd hesitate a guess:
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It's some of the Iron Hill dwarves quick marching out of the gates of Erebor (could it be anywhere else? ? ) for some reason.... I'd not say Bo5A... summat else.
Plus, the gouges, safe bet: Done by Smaug in his sacking of the Lonely Mountain? ?
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all this attention on Tauriel, I think the orc to her right looks rather dashing :P :P :P ;)
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but in all honesty she does look amazing. .. . . must resist fanboy-ism 
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Welcome to the boards L.J Kiosq!!! don't sound so sad, there is --plenty-- yet to discuss ;) //
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Now, I feel a theory coming on..... Legolas confiscates their weapons at the halls of his father, and thus he claims Orcrist...
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... now I'd be interested if Thorin will claim it back during the Bo5A for example... that'd be some amazing screenplay between the two actors IMO
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Here is a screencap:
https://plus.google.com/.../5768448968523341842
Looks like Orcrist
So is this how the scene will be:
Thorin: "Give me Orcrist!"
Legolas: "No, give me Orcrist!"
Thorin: "No, I want Orcrist"
Legolas: "No, I want it!"
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Yup! BIG Spolier! Wow.... -and- Adam Brown's (Ori) in some Dwarven armour whilst hugging Sir Ian!! Ceremonial maybe?
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EDIT: removed the image because of its over-spoiler-ness: click here for it . So amazing.
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rofl Daniel, I was thinking of something more dramatic and dark rather than comedic, but fine ...
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I just had a vision of Legolas and Thorin pulling either end of the sword, when you said it ;-)
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So I wonder if Thorin will get Orcrist back before the BO5A. In the book it's not clear. I'm not sure what oppurtunity Legolas and Thorin would have?
This also pretty much confirms Legolas will be at the BO5A?
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Hmmm ... I never really wanted Legolas there
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Only because Legolas never says anything to Gimli (on screen anyway) about the battle, or his father.
If Thranduil came to accept Thorin and the company, you would think that Legolas would've been friendlier to Gimli.
Unless Legolas and Gloin have a barney.
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The f...in' Dwarven infantry!!!!!I got goosebumps
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OK, I've found --one-- thing that has had me completely up in arms and infuriated, the Cirth rune lover that I am:
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this transcription is SO -not- transcribed into Tolkien's runic system. Completely wrong.
I really really hope they do use Cirth properly, and not simply use blooming Ango-Saxon runic system. (s they did with that piece of Dwarvish set that was leaked a while back). 
image here
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we can do subtitles fo our countries if someone can share transcript, thank you so much for your help in advance....
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DanielLB
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Jul 24 2012, 10:06am
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That'll be an error by the vlog makers, rather than the actual production team? /
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PJ: So, welcome to our latest blog. We're driving to Comic-Con with butterflies in my stomach. Presenting footage for the first time is always a slightly intimidating and slightly scary thing. Plus, I've got to face a day of interviews. But another 10 hours and it will all be behind us.
PJ (entering interview room): So hopefully we'll find Ian and Richard in here somewhere.
Quick cuts to cast members, then PJ being interviewed: "The Hobbit certainly is more funny..."
PJ: (exiting the room) One interview down!
PJ and panel members in elevator.
PJ: When I call you guys up on stage...
Ian: Are we coming out one at a time?
PJ: Yes.
PJ voiceover: I saw on TheOneRing this morning that people have been camping out since Wednesday to get into Hall H. Those are the sorts of people that I like hanging out with.
To camera: I'm going to be going on soon and I've been recruited to do some blog filming with my iPhone. Because this camera isn't allowed on stage. But nobody's going to stop me shooting with my iPhone.
Announcer: Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the stage Peter Jackson!
PJ: Let's bring up a few of our friends that we have here. Philippa Boyens...Andy Serkis...Richard Armitage...Martin Freeman...Sir Ian McKellen...we also have a surprise guest, Elijah Wood.
Brazilian fan: I love you guys, I came all the way from Brazil just because of you.
PJ (in background): Thank you.
Brazil: I spent all my money on this trip but it was worth it.
PJ voiceover: These are the people that we're making the film for and I'm really happy that it was received in such a great way.
PJ to crowd: I'd just like you to do something for all the people that couldn't be here. Could you just say Hi from Comic-Con. 1...2...3!
Crowd: Hi from Comic-Con!
PJ: Fantastic, no need for a Take 2. That was bl***y good!
To blog camera: And so now we would like to show you a little bit of what we showed the audience in Hall H.
(2:35) PJ: That's great. Cut.
PJ: Welcome to the last five days of our shoot. It's a bittersweet kind of a moment. (On set, to Andy Serkis): Feels like I'm still at the foot of the mountain.
It's a little difficult to do a wrap out on our last bit of shooting because so much of what we've been doing recently is Film 2, which is obviously secret. But we'll show you little bits and pieces, little snippets, and there will be a lot of more of what we've been doing that we'll save up for future blogs.
Mark Hadlow: Hey, Comic-Con fans, how are you? This is Dori, coming live from the set of The Hobbit. Stay classy, San Diego!
John Callen: Hi Comic-Con, John Callen here. I play Oin in The Hobbit.
Uncredited woman: Welcome my sister-sons to Comic-Con
Graham McTavish: Hi, this is Dwalin saying a big Hi to all of you in Comic-Con. Greetings from the very heart of Middle-earth. The really amazing moment for me I guess was the first time we stepped onto Bag End. It's become so embedded in your psyche from what you've seen before. We're all ready to go and Ian came on for the first time. And you look at him and you go, "My god, that's Gandalf!"
Jed Brophy: I look back on that with fondness because we got to know each other on Bag End and we really got to know each other as dwarves.
Adam Brown: Hi Comic-Con, it's Adam Brown here, aka Ori, from The Hobbit set. One of the most exciting things I think, for me, was working on these sets that are kind of a part of our history. And there was I, working on Rivendell with some incredible actors.
John Howe: Just watching Cate Blanchett act, it was very moving, we had shivers down our spines. It was absolutely astonishing.
Cate: It's been a privilege being back in Middle-earth.
Lee Pace: Hey Comic-Con, hope you're having a good time. My name is Lee Pace, I play the Elven-king Thranduil. Some of the work that I really loved was with Terry Notary who designs movement for the different races. And the way the Elves move is very different than the way the Dwarves move, obviously. It was really fun to get into that character, and really move in a way that is not human.
Hayden Weal: Sylvester McCoy who played Radagast is the loveliest, loveliest man.
Sylvester McCoy (playing the spoons) : I need people.
PJ: I think that Sylvester's going to be one of the delights of these movies.
Sylvester: The "Real McCoy".
John Howe: I remember going out to Taunton(?) and wandering through the hundred meters of forest that they built and seeing Rhosgobel, which is Radagast's house.
Genevieve Cooper: Radagast's character was a lovely spirited wizard and his house really reflected his character beautifully.
Andy Serkis: Dale was beautiful. It really was. It was like being in another country.
Belindalee Hope: It was very Moroccan, Turkish sort of...Italian, yeah...
Alan Lee: Dale was one of the larger sets.
PJ: It rivals some of the biggest sets we've ever built, which would have been Minas Tirith and Helm's Deep, I guess, in the old days.
John Howe: The city of Dale was such a huge set, you were able to just wander around as if you were in some abandoned city you've always wanted to visit.
Nathan Meister: The most fun I've had on set would probably be the goblins. Goblin Town, the sets just seemed to be really sharp and really angular and lots of flames and lots of bones.
Victoria Sullivan: We were introduced to the Great Goblin.
PJ: Barry Humphries is something of an iconic legend in this part of the world and I've seen two or three of his Dame Edna stage shows and Barry and the Goblin King just seemed to be a natural fit.
Barry: Have you seen the pile of intestines?
Andy: Ooh, no, but I'll go and check them out.
John Howe: I don't know if anyone's home but we'll soon see.
Richard Armitage: I found Beorn's house absolutely mesmerizing. It's one of my favorite parts of the book. And the creation...the carving that they did inside that beautiful barn, and everything was so oversized.
Martin: I want to write the theme tune, sing the theme tune...
PJ: We built it to the scale of the dwarves so it was huge. And it made all of us feel small. I used to be able to stand on that set and look at the crew setting up the camera and they looked like tiny little people, it was kind of incredible.
Andy, in a barrel: Morning, everyone! Happy last day. Morning! What we're doing for this shot, is we're going to get Orlando up on here... has somebody stuck something to my back? What is it?
Laurie Wright: Second Unit, I think we're a bit of the rock and roll unit and you know, we have a bit of fun.
Crew member 1#: Greg's shorts, I think. They're a bit high.
Greg: Just loop it, bro, just loop it. No problem.
Crew member #2: I'm disturbed.
Crew member #3: It's like an eight-year-old schoolboy.
Greg: What do you mean, it's like an eight-year-old schoolboy?
Andy and crew member jamming on saxophones.
Orlando Bloom: He's a rock star.
PJ: He has got energy to burn and that infectious enthusiasm and his absolute dedication made a huge difference to the Second Unit.
Andy: And...crank it up! And in 3...2...1...action! And..cut! That is a wrap for the Second Unit.
Liz Tan: There is a mixture of emotions.
James Rua: Good to finish, but sad at the same time.
Andy: Quite frankly, I can't imagine this occurring anywhere else on the planet, so thank you from the bottom of my heart.
RA: One of the memories that really sticks in my head the most is walking in through the gates of Stone Street at 4:45 in the morning when it's dark and there's no one else here and the stars are still out and then slowly the studio comes to life and the sun comes up. I saw a lot of those days.
Tony Keddy: You're going to be getting up at 5:30 in the morning for a year and a half. At least 12 hours a day.
PJ: You literally just wake up every morning and go shoot a movie. And it seems to last a lifetime.
Tami Lane: This is the kind of movie where it changes everybody's lives. What we do is kind of driven by adrenaline so we keep going until we collapse.
Katy Fray: We've got ready about 20 people a day and that's about 5000 prosthetic makeups.
Tami: We're busy, but sometimes we get bored being busy.
Rick Findlater: Within the last 18 months, we've probably gone through about 20 liters of glue, about 450 miles of yak hair, hence there are now a lot of cold yaks in the Himalayas somewhere.
Peter King: I've never worked on such a hairy movie. Even I'm sporting a beard now and I've never had a beard before so it's obviously sort of rubbing off somewhere along the line.
Hamish Brown: Just the sheer amount of lead characters with costumes...for some reason they all want to wear costumes. They all want pants, they all want shoes...it made for an enormous amount of costumes.
Emma Harre: All of these clothes, to nearly the back of the truck is Bilbo.
Sean Golding: For Smaug's lair, we used so much gold paint, we used everything in Australasia. We had to get it from Germany. Wunderbar!
Anthony Pratt: 22,817,520 feet if we were shooting 35mil like this. And I'm really glad we're not.
John Howe: I'm sure that I've done over 2500 drawings. I kept my pencil stubs.
Alan Lee: You're literally doing a drawing one day and then walking on the set a few days later.
Ra Vincent: We shoot a set, take it out and replace it for the very next day's shoot.
PJ: They put up the most incredible sets. You walk in the night before and it's not finished, and you think, "My god, how are we ever going to be in here tomorrow filming, and you walk in at 8 o'clock the next morning and it's ready to go.
Dan Hennah: To me that's probably one of the most gratifying things on this whole picture, that all these people force through impossible odds and create these beautiful things.
Martin Freeman: I'll miss the camaraderie of the folks that we've built up. And the cast and crew, you know we've spent an awful long time together, there's like, sort of 12 or 13 of us who have been in a mini army.
PJ: They're all people I would love to work with again. Fantastic cast.
Mark Hadlow: I'm surrounded by these mates, I'm surrounded by my comrades, I'm surrounded by these great actors.
Dwalin: Please. Not every time. Get off. They're so, I mean...
Graham McTavish: You get so close that you're able to freely abuse them on a daily basis and they don't seem to mind.
Martin: (on set) And that's the poster! (to camera) They're a very high quality of human beings involved.
Peter Hambleton: Pretty soon we won't be all together as a gang, which is going to be sad. We'll all miss each other terribly.
Brigitte Yorke: You're getting to come to work with a group of people that you love working with, that you love hanging out with, it's a real family.
Uncredited: What's in our laundry? Look at that!
Uncredited: My undies! Red-handed!
Crew member: What happens on The Hobbit stays on The Hobbit.
PJ: Finishing up in Mirkwood today.
Crew member: It's the old ?, finish with a bang.
Camera 1: I'm gonna miss you.
Camera 2: I'm gonna miss you, man!
PJ: 'K, and action!
Gandalf: I need a horse!
Bilbo (or Radagast): Why? Where are you going?
Gandalf: In search of answers!
PJ: All right, and cut. Well unless anybody has anything else they want to shoot, I think we should call that a day. Thank you.
PJ: Well, obviously I just want to say thank you to everybody. An incredible cast, an incredible crew. It seems like a lifetime ago that I had to do the speech at the beginning of the shoot. Oh god, that was a long time ago. You know, as a director, it can be kind of a lonely job. At times you feel like you're by yourself trying to solve problems but then everybody steps in and suddenly I realize I've got this incredible support and all of you guys have got my back and you're behind me and for that I'm incredibly grateful. Thank you.
voice: I think there's bubbles right next door!
PJ: There's been a terrific atmosphere, shooting this movie, and I hope the blogs have in some way given you all a chance to share in that and to experience it for yourselves. And we'll be continuing in post-production. The energy, the environment, everything's going to be very very different but it's still got an equal amount of challenges. So, look forward to seeing you during post-production. It's just lemonade, honestly.
Photographer: Come on, show some love. Put your arm around the person next to you.
To be continued....
Silverlode
"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you." -On Fairy Stories
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Jul 24 2012, 10:10am
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Version with Russian subtitles:
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Half a day of work without a pre-existing transcript, and here we go: a version with Russian subtitles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K28Ry13gxTo
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DanielLB
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Jul 24 2012, 10:20am
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It was probably deliberate Just to wind us up
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DanielLB
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Jul 24 2012, 10:21am
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Thanks for all the work that went into this. Much appreciated
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QuackingTroll
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Jul 24 2012, 10:42am
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That Radagast concept art in the background of PD1
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Is undoubtedly Radagast. When Ian and Peter hug you can make out the shape of Radagast's (very large) hat, and it's the same.
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Silverlode
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Jul 24 2012, 10:48am
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Click here.
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"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you." -On Fairy Stories
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namarie
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Jul 24 2012, 10:50am
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I'm watching the vlog now.
Just wanna say, I love the stone giants
And the people who were at the Comic- Con were the luckyest ones :)
There is always hope
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grammaboodawg
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Jul 24 2012, 10:50am
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After years of waiting and praying... here we are.... There's Dale! So much to take in when I'm already filled to overflowing with emotions. The farewells and the music have me alll messed up...
Thank you, Peter. thank you...
I really need these new films to take me back to, and not re-introduce me to, that magical world.
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Jul 24 2012, 11:00am
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I was very impressed with Dale. Also loved the stone giants, Rhosgobel, more glimpses of Mirkwood and Goblintown. Quite a bit to digest first time through.
I hope all is well with you gramma.
A few harmless flakes working together can unleash an avalanche of destruction.
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Jul 24 2012, 11:06am
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I think it is the entrance to Dol Goldur
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Jul 24 2012, 11:15am
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Those are the runes used on the Map.
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Which differ from the runes found in the LotR appendices (which were of Elvish origin, rather than Dwarvish**).
So in order to be true to The Hobbit, they will have to use the system based on the Erebor runes!
**Edited to amend this: Daeron invented the runes, the Dwarves adapted them for their own uses. The Erebor runes are a variation of the runic system found in the Appendices.
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"I desired dragons with a profound desire"
"It struck me last night that you might write a fearfully good romantic drama, with as much of the 'supernatural' as you cared to introduce. Have you ever thought of it?"
-Geoffrey B. Smith, letter to JRR Tolkien, 1915
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Jul 24 2012, 11:26am
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Thank you very much Silverlode, a great job! Once again, thank you from Spain ;)
Un saludo!
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Jul 24 2012, 12:22pm
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As someone who was entranched by the idea of the stone giants as a kid, I squeed when I saw that image! Also, Golbin Town looks amazing.
All you have to decide, is what to do with the time that is given to you...
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DarkJackal
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Jul 24 2012, 12:26pm
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As Dernwyn points out, it is consistent with the Erebor-specific runes on the map.
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dave_lf
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Jul 24 2012, 1:01pm
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Yeah; I think someone else must have played King's Quest V back in the day. All that's missing is the annoying talking owl!
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Jul 24 2012, 1:37pm
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why shouldn't it be Nain, Dain's father? He fought at the battle of Azanulbizar and was killed, therefore the very young Dain took control and slew Azog in revenge. Why shouldn't Dain have inherited his father's weapon as well as hit title then?
When it's time to pray, we'll be dressed up all in grey, with metal on our tongues, and silver in our lungs.
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DarkJackal
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Jul 24 2012, 2:11pm
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Something along the lines of:
Legolas: "Finders keepers, losers weepers!"
Thorin: "Not fair! That's what I was going to say!"
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DarkJackal
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Jul 24 2012, 2:19pm
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But Dain's most famous weapon from the Appendices is a red axe, not a red hammer.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 24 2012, 2:23pm
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That this is an army of dwarves rushing into Moria?
I didn't think so at first, as it seems like they are running from inside to outside, and it doesn't seem to resemble the Moria gate...
Confused...
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Jul 24 2012, 2:33pm
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Yes, my guess is that this is Nain
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Nain has a red hammer, and Dain has a red axe...Together, they are RED DWARF.
If so, it is likely that what we are seeing is indeed the Battle of Azanulbizar. But the setting seems wrong. So, is it possible that PJ and company have conflated the attack on Erebor by Smaug, with the Battle of Azanulbizar? Perhaps this attack includes not just Smaug, but a horde of Goblins as well, led by Azog?
This would seem to justify the massive Dale set, etc. Perhaps we are getting a full-scale, extended flashback of Smaug AND Azog's attack on Erebor and Dale, with goblins running through the streets and attacking soldiers and civilians, and Smaug raining fiery death from above?
I think this is indeed possible. And to explain the moss growing on some of those Ereborian walls, perhaps PJ will imply that the dwarven realm was in decline, and thus was unprepared for the attack? Sort of like the barbarians at the gates of a diminished Rome?
I hope this is not the case, as I want to see Azanulbizar at the foot of the Misty Mountains, where it belongs...
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Jul 24 2012, 2:54pm
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I've seen him in The Fall and Soldier's Girl. He was excellent in both movies but I think more challenging was his role in Soldier's Girl where he plays transexual dancer and singer who falls in love with a soldier of US army. He had to move, talk, dance and act like a woman. He did really good job in this movie.
Legolas' costume: Yeah, looks almost like the one from LOTR. I also want to see him in some royal outfit.
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Jul 24 2012, 2:56pm
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I am not ashamed to say that I got a little emotional seeing the wonderful stills behind Peter.
In particular, what looks like a Beorn interior at around the three minute mark is beautiful.
It sounds cheesy, but M-E in all its forms has been such an important part of my life; I can't wait to be taken back. There is a sense that we are about to step through the wardrobe (yes, I know, different series, but the sense of wonder is appropriate).
"You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to suit me" - C. S. Lewis
"That line between the earth and sky came beckoning to me..." - Laurie's Song
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Jul 24 2012, 3:02pm
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An unexpected romance in The Hobbit...
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Tauriel kissing an orc. How romantic
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artemy
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Jul 24 2012, 3:10pm
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Seems Lee Pace will be keeping those bushy brows of his!
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Though since Legolas is blond with dark eyebrows, I think Thranduil will probably have yellow hair too
Might be my mind playing tricks on me, but Legolas' outfit struck me as a bit longer and more elegant than in the trilogy. Perhaps when they re-made it those subtle changes just kind of happened.
Maybe Tauriel is trying to make Kili jealous?
When it's time to pray, we'll be dressed up all in grey, with metal on our tongues, and silver in our lungs.
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Kangi Ska
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Jul 24 2012, 4:21pm
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That twernt Tauriel snoggin that Orc!
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Obviously a stand in...
Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
Life is an adventure, not a contest.
At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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Kangi Ska
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Jul 24 2012, 4:23pm
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Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
Life is an adventure, not a contest.
At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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grammaboodawg
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Jul 24 2012, 4:38pm
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As soon as I saw the Stone Giants, I gasped!! They're one of the things I was so hoping would be there! And Beorn's Hall, and... oh cripes... everything is there! Orlando seemed to be so thrilled, and Elijah at Comic-Con seemed geeked as he waited at the stairs... Ian McKellen, Phillipa, and Andy had me clapping!
I'm overwhelmed. Peter is so generous to do these for us... to keep us in the loop with so much understand and appreciation for how we feel. What a guy!
And AND I'm grateful that the closing said "to be continued". There will be more of these. Maybe featuring Howard Shore and the music along with post-production!!! *twitch*
I really need these new films to take me back to, and not re-introduce me to, that magical world.
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Jul 24 2012, 4:59pm
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No, it's not Evangeline. It doesn't look like her. //
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There is always hope
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Jul 24 2012, 5:10pm
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I guess. I had not considered Azog at Erebor. Hmmm.
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DanielLB
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Jul 24 2012, 5:30pm
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It really, really, really is ... /
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Jul 24 2012, 5:36pm
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:)) Well I don't know..I'm not convinced yet :P //
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DanielLB
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Jul 24 2012, 5:50pm
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I watched LOST religiously when it was on. That is definitely Lily, and will eat my shoes if it isn't
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namarie
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Jul 24 2012, 5:56pm
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and that's not Kate :P
I don't know, is something about the face..it doesn't look like Evangeline's face to me.
But I could be wrong of course
And I guess in the next vlogs we will find out if you're gonna eat your shoes or not
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 24 2012, 6:00pm
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Particularly in this photo.
She's decidedly chubbier, and her face is distinctly different.
Honestly, she looks a bit Ren-Fair/cosplay, to me. Not really liking the look, with the cliched bodice, etc.
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DanielLB
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Jul 24 2012, 6:36pm
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It is her - just with elf ears and red hair!
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The reason she has chubby cheecks is because she is smiling! The long red hair covers her figure.
It really is Lily...
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I'm not sure that it's Lilly because...
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The nose profile is wrong. Lilly's nose has a curved profile (a "celestial nose"), whereas this Elf's nose is straight, bordering on "aquiline".
https://plus.google.com/photos/116428360629190654024/albums/5768444577101042737/5768450900894276946
Unless the kissing motion is causing her nose to bend down, I don't think it's her.
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namarie
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no she is not :)
There is always hope
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DanielLB
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I would've given up by now and accepted I'm wrong.
Not this time round!
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I know nothing about Evangeline, never really watched Lost, and don't really care if that's her or not, and I'm only looking at the examples which have been posted here, BUT I think you're right based on these images (yes, I'm using the one that Shelob provided as proof that it was not her, but which I think proves it is her):
When I made one semi-transparent and overlaid the two, they matched almost perfectly. Her head is just a bit further tilted away in one, so it won't be exact,. The massive pixelation on the vlog image accounts for the slight distorted look of the nose.
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Aranaes
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...I also think it's not her because her eyebrows look painted on and theyre high above this lady's natural brow, the way you would make up a stunt double - only for motion scenes so the facial features have the same proportions.
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DanielLB
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I can always rely on you to give better screencap examples
Undeniably her.
Like you, I don't care whether it is her, an extra or her stunt double. When you know you're right though, you can't help but fight for your corner
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DanielLB
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Not really .
Have to remember that this picture is very blurry, and the majority of Lilly pictures are from LOST. Here she has long red hair and red eyebrows. Any comparison is difficult. If you look at DarkJackal's post though, you can see how similar they are.
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The more trivial the matter...
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...the more doggedly you fight for it. I know this well
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Aranaes
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The voice sounds like Ori to me
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Im sorry, I've been trying to hear that voice as Sylvester but it just sounds so obviously like Adam Brown (Ori) to me!
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Hmmm...I'm starting to lean towards it being Lilly now...
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I think I was wrong on the nose profile thing. I found a profile pic of Lilly, and her nose seems a lot straighter from the side oddly. Check this out:
http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/18200000/evangeline-lilly-L-Or-al-Sublime-Mousse-photoshoot-evangeline-lilly-18240936-478-712.jpg
Which might just about be consistent with the image of her kissing in the vlog, because making that face does cause the tip to bend down a bit, making the nose seem a bit more aquiline...
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DanielLB
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Sorry Aranaes ... this thread makes me come across as argumentative and pushy! Not normally like it
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make of that what you will.
Could be her perhaps after all.
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This one is more tricky as she is looking up and towards her left in the vlog /
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That is definitely her. Compare the eyebrows and jawline and neck. |
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I'm gonna have to agree DanielLB
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I truly think it is her. looking at the photos it really does look like her IMO and if its not her its someone made up enough to look like her but I'm in the "its her" camp.
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Aranaes
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What I'm saying is, in the blog, the lady's eyebrows look so falsely positioned that I couldnt imagine her looking good in a still shot or close up. Without comparing her to Lily pics, the eyebrows are higher than the person's (whoever she may be) natural brow line.
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Aranaes
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No need to apologise, I read most of your posts a lot of the time so I know your're not argumentative and pushy.
So do you not think the line "Why? Where are you going?" sounds like Adam Brown's distinctly nasaly voice?
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I see what you mean - they look too plucked, making them look like they've been drawn on. /
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No, I don't think it's Adam Brown.
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It distinctively sounds like Sylvester McCoy - which I'm surprised by, as I thought he would change his voice.
The scene also occurs on the last day of shooting, which, judging by all the blurs, is between Gandalf and Radagast (and possibly Beorn).
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Jul 24 2012, 9:49pm
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I have been gone only a few hours and look what happens, lol
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At first i didnt think it looked like her at all, but thought i would agree with you out of the fact i like to think you are right alot of the time, especially as i normally have the same opinion, lol.
Now after seeing a few more photos it does seem it is her so i was right to trust you, lol.
I dont mean to be rude but comparing to the other photos of her what makes it harder is it looks like she has got slightly more chubby cheeks and adipose can smooth and distort facial features.
Good work on standing your ground, you would make a good dwarf! haha
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I can see where everyone comes from saying it doesn't look like her though. I was a massive LOST fan (don't talk about the end though ...) and still re-watch it. I think I'm just familiar with her face .
Regarding the chubiness - I wonder if it is just this particular shot, or whether she was asked to put on a bit of weight? Alcoholic elves aren't as skinny as Legolas!
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I think maybe it is just that shot that she somehow looks bigger? I cant really imagine why they would want her to be bigger and i doubt she would let herself get bigger when she was in such good shape in LOST.
I was a big fan of lost i even liked it when everyone else said it had started going too weird! the ending was so bad i just ugh i dunno anticlimax just doesnt cut it, lol.
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the line, 'And that's the post' is meant to be 'And that's the poster' - referencing the image of Steven (Bomber) backing into a man behind him in an inadvertantly unfortunate way...
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
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I have no doubt, I've probably looked at her face for hours in my LOST-geekdom days
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Aranaes
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Jul 24 2012, 11:17pm
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she has extra pointy ears because these are generic easy-fit ears they use for stunt doubles and not the detailed 'hours in the make-up chair' ears they use for real actors!
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DanielLB
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Jul 24 2012, 11:21pm
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hahahaha! I should've seen this coming ;-)
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Is that the serious or non-serious suggestion?
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Bladerunner
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Jul 24 2012, 11:25pm
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Stoking the Evangeline Lilly Discussion Fire....
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I think that's Evangeline's body/stunt double (i.e.- Ninja Girl) because her mannerism doesn't seem to match Evangeline's personality. Her lips seem different (thinner) also.
It may be worthwhile to watch Evangeline in a non-acting video (such as in an interview) to see if she gives off the same vibe.
Sorry DanielLB, to have stirred the embers to keep this discussion going ;0).
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We'll probably never know, unless we see an extended version of this shot.
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Kangi Ska
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Jul 24 2012, 11:54pm
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He also does not look like Tauriel.//
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Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
Life is an adventure, not a contest.
At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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That picture makes me about 85% certain that it is not her.
Unless they have given her some really unnecessary facial (and nasal) prosthetics, I don't see those two photos as photos of the same person...
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Kangi Ska
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Jul 25 2012, 12:03am
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They show the same woman doing a stunt with ropes attached to her waist. It was a bit earlier in the Vlog. This is what pushed me toward the stunt double rather than EL herself.
Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Though Bloom seems to be doing some of his own stunts, so...
I'm in the It's Likely Not Evangeline Lilly (ILNEL) camp at the moment.
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Jul 25 2012, 12:14am
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I definitely heard it as 'and that's the poster!'. Please, please could someone make a Hobbit poster out of that shot? And possibly a T-shirt? I'd buy it.
(I am also in the 'probably not Eva' camp, but I need to watch it again. It will all become clear in time, I'm sure.)
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Jul 25 2012, 2:12am
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I can't believe how you guys that have watched LOST so much can say that she is. It is so obviously (to me) not her.
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Aranaes
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Here, here! Glad you can see it too!//
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'And I name you elf-friend and blessed. May your shadow never grow less (or stealing would be too easy)!'
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While I was kinda sore that we saw very little of the film footage aired at the Con,
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I still greatly enjoyed everything that I saw. Great stuff. Kept expecting Lilly Tomlin's Edith Ann to be sitting in one of Beorn's giant chairs. Lol.
Love that Peter sent a huge hello to everyone who didn't make ComicCon.
Also, we learnded some things. There can now be little doubt that the Dol Guldur timeline will conclude well befor BOFArmies, and that Gandalf WILL be present in Thranduil's war camp, as we see him standing in one of the tents during the blog. This could be misleading, but I think the hypothesis is sound.
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"
"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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There are always one or two lines that are hard to hear, and that was one of them. I shall make an edit.
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"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you." -On Fairy Stories
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That tent Gandalf's standing in...
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Looks very similar to some of the tents we saw in the vlog...but those tents are in Hobbiton, during what seems to be a party scene...
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Wow. I think this production video is my new favorite!
Rhosgobel! I love it.
A dwarven army!
Beorn's house!
Stone giants!
I'm beside myself. This movie is going to be fantastic. My excitement for Thorin's Company is doubled by every video. PJ has really picked the best cast. The fellas really seem to get along great, and that friendship will certainly come across onscreen and make our experience that much more enjoyable.
 
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Um, yeah Derwyn, those Map runes are -not- Erebor Cirth, but Anglo-Saxon runes. so, they aren't proper Cirth at all. but as others have said, this is simply a prod. diary so... //
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Join us over at Barliman's chat all day, any day!
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-I am a victim of Bifurcation- (credit to Elpidha)
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Dwarves: 'Erebor!', 'Erebor!!', '..Erebor!'
Bilbo: .. It's only a CGI model
Dwarves: 'Shhhhh!'
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How can you tell that? You can't see her face? /
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DanielLB
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I'm sure you disagree for fun sometimes hahaha
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Umm .. I could easily say the same?
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I can't believe you guys that have watched LOST so much can say that it isn't her. It is so obviously (to me) her!
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DanielLB
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It hasn't been read enough if you ask me
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My facial recognition skills are abysmal so I won't weigh in*, but I think it's interesting that people can have such certainty in such diametrically opposed opinions over a simple matter of empirical fact. Maybe they just did a really good job of making the stunt doubles look like the actors they replace? The high resolution and 3d mean they'll need to.
*I've known this at some level for a long time, but was finally able to prove it when I took this test and scored way below average.
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DanielLB
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I just did it and got 86%
We'll never know really. If her double is similar, then the only way we will find out is if we see this shot again (but longer, so we can her face properly) or someone confirms it. Nevermind ... I know I'm right
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DanielLB
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Which you probably would!
I still wouldn't give up
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According to anonymous inside sources, who will never reveal themselves, it's not her.
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DanielLB
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My inside sources say it is !
We'll agree to disagree. Deal?
PS. It's her
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See what you did there, sneaky! :P //
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Another it is not/it is speculation.
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Could this be Lee Pace?
Kinda looks like him.
Sorry, I don't know how to put a picture in the comment so it's uploaded in attachment.
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I'm not familiar enough with Lee Pace to comment
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The Hobbit will be the first time I've seen him in anything.
I'll have to leave this one out
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Arandir
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Oh yes indeed, cheers for that! //
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It's just some random elf shifting barrels around
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most of the Mirkwood elves have reddish hair. I expect Thranduil will be blond like his son
When it's time to pray, we'll be dressed up all in grey, with metal on our tongues, and silver in our lungs.
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I know this is an old thread, but I had a slow reaction. Sauron doesn't have The Ring in that painting in LotR. Probably because not many people really know about The Ring in Rivendell... do they? (I thought that's why Gandalf goes to Minas Tirith to research it. It's not like a big known thing. And I assumed that that was the reason no-one suspected Bilbo's ring... or am I wrong?) So what significance will this picture have in The Hobbit? Will Bilbo see the Ring in this picture? Someone must mention it, and if they do will they not realise Bilbo has the same ring?
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