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Jul 9 2012, 7:27pm
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Too much to digest!
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dave_lf
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Jul 9 2012, 7:27pm
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What is that thing watching them in the Trollshaw scene? Is it even an animal or just an oddly-shaped log or something? And further confirmation that the film ends where (pretty much) everyone expects. Edit: It is a troll; in sort of an odd position. All 3 of them are there.
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What is that thing watching them in the Trollshaw scene? Is it even an animal or just an oddly-shaped log or something? And further confirmation that the film ends where (pretty much) everyone expects. Look again to the left of that thing - they are trolls. Bert and company!
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dave_lf
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Jul 9 2012, 7:30pm
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Looks like I figured that out at the exact moment you tried to tell me.
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SirDennisC
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Jul 9 2012, 7:31pm
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Couple things: Elrond examining Sting. There is a barrel-rider at the far far right, ahead of the 13 dwarfs poking out of barrels.
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dave_lf
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Jul 9 2012, 7:32pm
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Conspicuously absent is anything related to the goblin capture. Even in the fifteen birds shot, we only see (lupine!) wargs.
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dave_lf
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Jul 9 2012, 7:34pm
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If that bridge at the end leads to the elvenking's halls, all 13 dwarves are crossing it together. Well; all 13 are crossing it together even if it leads somewhere else.
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Jul 9 2012, 7:37pm
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This looks awesome! I think this would make an incredible poster! Did notice as others pointed out the absence of the orcs/goblins. So epic though!
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Jul 9 2012, 7:56pm
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As I was examing the picture...
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...I was wondering why they couldn't just provide a higher resolution-picture, instead of going with the magnifying glass. That's before I noticed the scroll bar underneath, and that there was more to the picture Observations, from left to right: Ori eating a sallad. Best shot of Thorin's pre-Orcrist sword yet. Heads poking out of the bags. Óin's head looks to be close enough to the pot for his hair to catch fire. Dwarves walking up a hill; The Hobbit-equivalent of this? Wolf-wargs, not hyena-wargs. Gandalf and Beorn (also, eagles). Amazing. The locks of hair hanging in front of Beorn's ears somehow gives a slightly human appearance. Thirteen dwarves crossing a bridge. The order of the scenes suggests that it might be the bridge to Thranduil's Halls. Thirteen dwarves popping out of their barrels, Bilbo hanging on to his. Somehow, even in this position, Thorin manages to look composed and regal. The Lonely Mountain, just below the "y" in "An unexpected journey"?
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Estel78
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Jul 9 2012, 8:05pm
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Jul 9 2012, 8:12pm
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and epic. Beorn, Gandalf, and the eagles really know how to create an electrifying scene.
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Jul 9 2012, 8:13pm
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Great to see Beorn at last, and I like the look of the new wargs. They're much similar to the wargs that I imagined. Still desperate to see Radagast, though!
"A Wizard is never late, Frodo Baggins. Nor is he early: he arrives precisely when he means to!"-Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring.
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Jul 9 2012, 8:19pm
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I think you're hitting 'reply' to the last post you see in flat mode. The thing is, that's not the person you're actually 'talking' to necessarily. For example, you said 'Thanks for this' to my post (me) but surely you meant to thank Carne. To do that, you should really hit reply to his post. (especially since the post you replied to offered nothing much to thank anyone for! I made a mistake and was retracting a statement.) It may seem pointless if you only read in flat mode but lots of us read in threaded mode which shows sub-threads of distinct conversations. For those of us who read in threaded mode, a misplaced reply can get confusing. The best way to see the difference is to find the button on the top right of the page that says either "View Flat Mode" or "View Threaded Mode". Clicking it will let you see the 'other' way of showing the thread. cheers. :-)
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Jul 9 2012, 8:21pm
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Reason #1 which is a small percentage of the reason (imo): it's fun. More fun than just a picture or series of pictures. Reason #2 which is a larger percentage of the reason (imo): it's much harder for other sites to grab the images and post them on their blog/site. maybe not a lot harder though... I've already captured the entire scroll. :-) However, it's possible that the magnifying glass provide a better resolution of the image in a larger size than my enlarging the image as captured. If that makes sense.
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Jul 9 2012, 8:23pm
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I'm still relatively new to this, only joined last month, so will make a note of that for future reference.
"A Wizard is never late, Frodo Baggins. Nor is he early: he arrives precisely when he means to!"-Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 9 2012, 8:26pm
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The artist (or PJ and company) opted to show us Gollum's cave to represent that part in the story, rather than the Goblin fight. I wouldn't worry about it. That sequence is in!
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DarkJackal
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Jul 9 2012, 8:27pm
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Dark wolves. Too perfect!
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 9 2012, 8:31pm
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Does it mean anything that Gandalf has Glamdring at the beginning of the scroll there, in the Shire? Or is it more likely that the artist just pulled a shot from somewhere else in the story? I'm not so sure, as the shot of Thorin pre-troll's cave appropriately shows him with his pre-Orcrist sword...
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DarkJackal
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Jul 9 2012, 8:33pm
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Notice the dwarves are all wearing their normal clothes in those barrels. Artistic license for the poster I think since we know they are down to tunics in the vlogs.
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DarkJackal
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Jul 9 2012, 8:35pm
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Yeah, don't read too much into it yet
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Considering what I mentioned about the dwarves wearing all their gear while in the barrels. Not quite accurate as far as we've seen in vlogs.
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DarkJackal
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Jul 9 2012, 8:37pm
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Luv you long time!
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Jul 9 2012, 8:37pm
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You made a good point there Shelob
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I'm beginning to wonder if Glamdring will have any significance in the films (after all, it was never named in the film trilogy). It may be possible to leave it out to save time, but considering that Bilbo and Thorin will find Sting and Orcrist respectively, I don't see why.
"A Wizard is never late, Frodo Baggins. Nor is he early: he arrives precisely when he means to!"-Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 9 2012, 8:37pm
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Won't be the case in the films
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As we have already seen multiple shots of them with what seem to be "undergarments." This is a massively photo-shopped piece of work, to be sure.
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Otaku-sempai
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Jul 9 2012, 8:38pm
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Where the company is trudging up the hill...
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There are three figures in the foreground. Gandalf, Radagast and an Elf? Perhaps the last two are the folk who Gandalf met on the road who warned him about the Trolls.
"Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house." - Aragorn
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Jul 9 2012, 8:38pm
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The rest of the poster seems to be in order...
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...so, even artistic license accounted for, it seems the to be the sole anachronism of the entire poster.
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Estel78
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Jul 9 2012, 8:39pm
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I've linked to an even bigger version of the pic, btw.
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Captain Salt
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Jul 9 2012, 8:40pm
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WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
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New Goblins and Wargs? Beorn? The Dwarves crossing a bridge of some kind (part of Dale)? Too cool! And LOVE the image of Thorin & Co. crossing before the moon...wonderful.
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit" 5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck 4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot 3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan 2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate 1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!
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dave_lf
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Jul 9 2012, 8:41pm
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Not worried they've been dropped from the story completely; just a little surprised they were omitted from the timeline considering how big a part they have to play in the story. But I suppose the creature designs are things they like to keep undercover for as long as possible. And of course there are no elves either.
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Captain Salt
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Jul 9 2012, 8:41pm
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This is a Kingly gift indeed!
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit" 5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck 4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot 3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan 2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate 1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!
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Elpidha
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Jul 9 2012, 8:41pm
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Full-size original image (no magnifier needed)
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http://img2-2.timeinc.net/...BBIT-SCROLL_6000.jpg Amazing! Found the link by hunting through the source code.
The last green had almost faded out of the grass, when they came at length to an open glade not far above the banks of the stream. "Hrnmm! It smells like elves!" thought Bilbo, and he looked up at the stars. They were burning bright and blue.
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Jul 9 2012, 8:49pm
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for those who haven't read the book lol. Still, this is fabulous. But i do wonder, will we see Thranduil in this movie? We've seen nothing of him at all.
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Jul 9 2012, 8:52pm
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And many of us guess that film one will end with the barrel sequence, in which case you will see him in film one. He is to be played by Lee Pace, but he is one of a group of characters (Bard, Dain, Radagast, Master of Lake-Town etc) that we have seen no picture of thus far, obviously. But things may change with the next blog.
"A Wizard is never late, Frodo Baggins. Nor is he early: he arrives precisely when he means to!"-Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 9 2012, 9:00pm
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I only see dwarves, Gandalf and Bilbo... I think you're mistaken on this one.
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Otaku-sempai
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Jul 9 2012, 9:04pm
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Well if all of the figures are in the same shot then there are 15 of them...
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I only see dwarves, Gandalf and Bilbo... I think you're mistaken on this one. I assumed that that picture was a composite shot. If it's not then who is the 15th figure?
"Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house." - Aragorn
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Niniel Valinor
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Jul 9 2012, 9:05pm
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I just had the nerdgasm of the century... Kili looks very bothered sleeping next to Bombur. Wonder if it's the fattydwarf's snoring... The tree burnings and aaaaahhhh <3
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Jul 9 2012, 9:06pm
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Actually, those look like the trolls. No Goblins, it seems. //
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My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit" 5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck 4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot 3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan 2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate 1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!
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dave_lf
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Jul 9 2012, 9:12pm
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What's 13 + 1 + 1? Those foreground characters are Fili, Kili, and Oin.
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Jul 9 2012, 9:25pm
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It is essentially a visual summary of the first film, or so it seems. So many times I have read the chapters portrayed and tried to imagine what they would look like, especially on film. While this is largely photo manipulation, it certainly made my day, perhaps the week and month as well. It's a brilliant piece of work.
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AinurOlorin
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Jul 9 2012, 9:29pm
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Wow! Some amazing pics! I am really pleased about the new Warg designs!
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And I love the magnifying magic orb cursor. lol. I am really excited. This looks great, and I hope it presages some of what we might see in the new trailer we are all expecting between ComicCon and Dark Knight Rising.
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!" "Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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Jul 9 2012, 9:31pm
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We've really had a great week in terms of Hobbity news. To think that, presumably, there's even more to come this weekend...makes me happy just thinking about it
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Gold Grizzly
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Jul 9 2012, 9:32pm
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Nice to see Bilbo on the top of his barrel rather than inside it. But are we a Dwarf short in the barrel riding picture? I only count 12 of them. EDIT: Bofur is the one I can't spot.
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Vangalad
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Jul 9 2012, 9:33pm
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My eyes are burning with awe! It feels like the fastest glimpse of a whole film! wow...it looks amazing.
All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost, The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
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Jul 9 2012, 9:38pm
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This could well be the most visually appealing output I have seen from the whole production so far! True beauty!
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dave_lf
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Jul 9 2012, 9:40pm
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There is one partially obscured behind Thorin. Looks like it could be a branch or rock at first glance.
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"Do I really have to climb this?"
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..." Dwarves: "Pretty rings..." Men: "Pretty rings..." Sauron: "Mine's better." "Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak. Ataahua's stories
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Xanaseb
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Jul 9 2012, 9:48pm
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Wargs = Wolf-like ^ the --most-- exciting thing to me! Beorn = AWESOME bear I think the bridge is hard to pin down.... bridge to the Elven King's halls most likely.... -but-... why would the dwarves be on it without any elf guards? ? ? ... There's been some speculation as to the shadow to the left of the wargs in the burning forest.... I don't think it's Radagast personally but a warg 'Aroooooooooing'. I was completely GOBSMACKED by this :D So promising!
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mulubinba
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Jul 9 2012, 9:56pm
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I love this scroll!!!! I notice the rune on Bilbo's door. Is it a "G" in dwarf runes?
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Daniel James
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Jul 9 2012, 10:07pm
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My thoughts on all the pictures/scenes
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As suspected, the movie will end with the barrel sequence. This is incredible! I'm so excited, especially to see Beorn and the Wargs. If you look closely, you can see the symbol Gandalf knocked onto Bilbo's door! It appears to be a G. Also, in the troll scene, you can see 3 trolls in the background, skulking among the rocks near the top of the picture. If only we could hear them talk in their cockney accents! As the Company is walking up the hill, it looks like everyone in the back is looking at something behind them, I wonder what? In the picture of Elrond, there is a small sword/long dagger laying on a cloth on the table. Could that be Sting? I assume Beorn is going to become an even bigger bear in the battle. I sure hope so! Not that he's not intimidating right now....he's at least a good 10-12 feet tall. Bilbo in Mirkwood: He appears to be crouching behind a rock, watching the enemy spiders and preparing a plan of attack/rescue. Yeah, the characters on the bridge are definitely the dwarfs. Maybe it's the Bridge to Thranduil? Bilbo, on the far right, is riding ON his barrel (rather than INSIDE), just like in the book! I highly doubt it, but could that be the Lonely Mountain in the background on the right?
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Xanaseb
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Jul 9 2012, 10:12pm
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I was literally just thinking the same thing Daniel James!! that might be The Lonely Mountain! Erebor
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We have beheld Erebor for the first time folks! What else -could- it be other than it!? Wrong size for the distance that it's meant to be at, but then again PJ did the same disproportionately angled shots in LOTR with Mount Doom for eg.)!!! The Lonely Mountain! WOW.
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Xanaseb
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Jul 9 2012, 10:14pm
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Behold the mighty Erebor! (?):
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Join us over at Barliman's chat all day, any day! ________________________________________________ Laketown guy: What have the dwarves -ever- done for us? Bard: The aqueduct! Laketown guy: Piss off! We're not from Dale
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Jul 9 2012, 10:14pm
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Yeah, I'm just unsure because of how the pictures are melded together. What appears to be a large mountain could just be something else, etc.. Hopefully, we'll see something in the trailer that I'm hoping is attached to The Dark Knight Rises!
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Xanaseb
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Jul 9 2012, 10:18pm
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Also, brilliant spot that Bilbo is Barrel -riding-!! :D :D I concur with that!
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Also re: Beorn, in the book it actually says that Beorn grows to a giant size especially for/during the battle, surprising everyone. So his full glory is shown in the Bo5A don't worry!
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Gold Grizzly
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Jul 9 2012, 10:19pm
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... is a dragon perched on top of it!
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DanielLB
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Jul 9 2012, 10:19pm
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It starts good and just ends up awful... I LOVE IT
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Jul 9 2012, 10:20pm
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I had the same thought on Beorn. I thought he was supposed to be a "giant" bear. I always interpreted it as a bear of supernatural size. The bear standing next to Gandalf looks like a normal, large, full-grown bear. Perhaps this is just one of Beorn's bear friends and not Beorn himself???
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Jul 9 2012, 10:21pm
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You can download the Hi Res Image here!
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http://cinescopia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/noticia-hobbit-imagen-panoramica-principal00.jpg
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Jul 9 2012, 10:26pm
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There's is too much to take in!
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Lusitano
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Jul 9 2012, 10:32pm
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No thats not sting! Its an enemy blade, notice the handle, its not curved!
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Macfeast
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Jul 9 2012, 10:33pm
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The Morgul-blade we've been hearing about?
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Lusitano
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Jul 9 2012, 10:36pm
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What else? I believe it is exactly that...sting is much more elegant
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DanielLB
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And the blade is pointed. Which begs the question, is that the map of Erebor, or somewhere else (Dol Guldur?)
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Thanks, that picture is massive!
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Thanks for posting that link! That version of the banner is an absolutely massive 8871x1195, while maintaining fantastic quality. Here's a link to what I'm talking about: http://goo.gl/JzgBU
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Jul 9 2012, 10:37pm
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There are 15 members of the company. The 13 dwarves, plus Gandalf and Bilbo. Am I missing something?
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Jul 9 2012, 10:38pm
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Really eager to see how this morgul blade/nazgul scenario fits in the story...
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Jul 9 2012, 10:43pm
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The map hes holding is erebor's..hes wearing the golden costume from the previous map scene..his white council costume is a purple one , as was shown on the 3rd videoblog...i think they mixed the table with him from another scene... The rivendell background behind gandi and galadriel looks like the fellowship of the ring rivendell hmmmmm...
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Jul 9 2012, 10:44pm
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That is not a normal-sized bear. It is very large (through reasonably so), and if it existed in our world, would likely be considered to be one of the largest bears alive. I hope he does remain that size, as having a bear that is within the realm of possibility in our world will make, IMO, for more convincing cinema. I always thought the mumakil were far too massive, and would have looked much more interesting if they were closer to real battle elephant size (though a little bigger). As they were, they were somewhat unconvincing. This Beorn looks great (also notice the locks of longish hair that hang down on the side of his head - to indicate that this is a man-bear?). Also, given GDT's focus on "silhouettes," is anyone but me seeing this reflected here? From the dwarves to the wargs to Beorn, I really get a sense of GDT's visual influence on the characters... Though I'm sure PJ's influence is just as strong. This really has gotten me excited.
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Jul 9 2012, 10:44pm
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I was only suggesting it since you spotted it was the Morgul blade. I just presumed they might have a map of Dol Guldur as well?
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Jul 9 2012, 10:45pm
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We *know* these are spoilers, since we know the arc of the general story. To someone who has never read the books, it's just a series of images, highlights of scenes that lacks context; "Oh there'll be barrel scenes" blah blah blah. Nothing different than a trailer that shows a clip from the final fight of a film, the audience has no where or how but in retrospect you could technically argue it's a spoiler. Besides, it's a 60+ year old book. Spoilers aren't too big of a concern, except for possibly the Dol Guldor (spelling?) storyline, which is a bit more mysterious right now. That's probably where the big surprises of the story will be.
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Jul 9 2012, 10:45pm
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The fact that the goblins haven't been featured at all in the marketing thus far might actually be the filmmakers trying to keep their appearance a surprise for those who haven't read the book. Imagine the audience's surprise when goblins pop out of the nice quiet cave when they had no idea Goblins would be in the film. Unfortunately this might backfire. One thing that I think hurt the first trailer was its locations weren't very diverse. We pretty much just saw Hobbiton, Rivendel, and Dol Guldur. Keeping the goblins a secret will definitely make the film's scale seem a lot smaller in the marketing of the film.
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Jul 9 2012, 10:47pm
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This is where I am a little dubious
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I'm not entirely convinced this is the bear we will actually get to see. The picture is mixed with photographs, but heavily, heavily photoshopped. Some cases it is obvious (the food on Bilbo's table), other cases not so much (Gandariel behind Elrond). Is this actually Beorn, the eagles and the wolves - or are they drawings (concept art) and a bit of photoshop?
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Jul 9 2012, 10:49pm
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They will have a map of mirkwood for sure...
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 9 2012, 10:50pm
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But since the characters we know are all accurately represented, I don't see why they would misrepresent the others. My guess is that the wargs, Beorn in bear form, and the trolls, will pretty much look like that. If so, I will be thrilled.
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Jul 9 2012, 10:50pm
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How long before the Gandalf-Galadriel rumours re-appear. And do we know yet if this is the Morgul blade from FOTR, or another one?
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Jul 9 2012, 10:53pm
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They are accurately represented
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But not very well (i.e. in the barrels and climbing the hill/mountain - as in, obvious photoshop job). Even Gandalf next to Beorn looks drawn rather than an actual picture. Same goes for the eagles?
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Jul 9 2012, 10:56pm
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Bilbo seems to be alone in his tree. I hope that they don't cut out the bit where Dori helps him into the branches, then leaps after him in the nick of time. That's one of my favourite scenes ...
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Jul 9 2012, 10:57pm
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Is that a new website link on the poster as well? /
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Jul 9 2012, 10:58pm
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It's only supposed to be a promotional shot
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They can't put everything in! I wouldn't worry
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Gold Grizzly
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Jul 9 2012, 11:02pm
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But worrying is what I do best ...
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 9 2012, 11:03pm
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Looks like they are appropriately tied up in sacks, courtesy of their friends Bert, Tom and Bill!
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Jul 9 2012, 11:03pm
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Solves the problem of lighting ...."Riddles in Dark"... Sting is the only Light Source! (HEAD SLAP?) No goblins yet since they are CGI they are working thier fannys off during Post and needed Principle Photograghy to get Done for a rough cut for reference... I Don't WANT to see goblins until December. Bomby
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Jul 9 2012, 11:06pm
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But their designs are generally spot on... Beorn and the wargs could indeed be concept art. But even if that's the case, my guess is that they are FINAL concept art, and it is likely that they will look something like that in the films... At least, I hope so, as I am very pleased. Also, best shot of Thorin I have yet seen. That's a dwarven king, if I ever saw one (and honestly, I like his dwarf sword far better than Ocrist, which I find underwhelming...).
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Jul 9 2012, 11:06pm
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I thought they were sleeping too
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But they are definitely in sacks. Why are they so relaxed? Who's Tim?
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Jul 9 2012, 11:08pm
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Is that floating mug in between Ori and Oin! I presume Fili is holding it
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Carne
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Jul 9 2012, 11:09pm
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PJ mentioned in an interview that they had 50 goblin performers on set, and it was so hot that they needed cooling inside the suits. Plus they've been briefly seen in some of the vlogs And to your reply about the sacks; I agree, I don't think they're sleeping. Look at Dori who seems to have his face turned towards the ground. Don't think that's a very comfortable way of sleeping
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 9 2012, 11:10pm
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Obviously. They do look a little resigned, though...Perhaps dwarves are at their calmest when death is imminent? This shot, and the dwarf-troll shot from the teaser, tells me that the dwarves will be tied up in bags, Bilbo frees the dwarves while the trolls argue about what to do with them, the dwarves attack the trolls, the trolls seem to be winning, and then Gandalf shows up and heralds the dawn. I'd put money on that.
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Jul 9 2012, 11:15pm
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Thank you, OMG this is too exciting!
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Apart from the vlogs, this is the best bit of promotional material we've had so far! A wonderful little plot summary with lots of half-hidden extras to look for The things I've noticed: - Gandalf has Glamdring outside Bag End. Is this just a picture of him from later on photoshopped in (considering he has his pipe)? Or does it mean Glamdring will not be found in the troll hoard? - Kili seems quite prevalent in all the pictures of the dwarves. Sneaky little marketing ploy there, putting the hot one centre stage. - Those trolls blend very well into the rocky landscape. I do wonder that their heads seem more triangular than the stone trolls from FOTR though. - I love the look of Thorin's dwarven sword! Also I'm sure they're tied up in sacks, since they seem stacked up next to that cauldron, Fili is face down and Kili looks unhappy. - Beautiful shot of the whole gang in the moonlight. I feel similarly of them crossing that bridge (my first thought was that it was Rivendell, but now I'm not sure). - Is Gandalf going to meet Galadriel in Rivendell outside of flashbacks then? Or have they just combined two scenes? I'd hazard that's a Morgul knife and a map of Dol Guldur. - Wolves, at last! I wonder if they will explain that Saruman bred a new type of warg as he bred the uruks, and these are the traditional wolfish ones? - BEORN! He's so majestic, and I like the hair! Plus, eagles are always a good thing. I don't see a moth though. - Do I spy a spider hidden in the trees behind Bilbo, or is it a rock? Wish we could get a glimpse of an elf. - As I'd hoped, Bilbo still rides on the outside. The presence of other barrels seems to imply Bilbo cuts them loose as a distraction or something. The sudden increase in material flowing in has really got me hyped up for Comic Con, I can't wait for the weekend!
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Jul 9 2012, 11:16pm
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Isn't the Great Goblin going to be a mo-capped effects creature, though?
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DanielLB
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Jul 9 2012, 11:18pm
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Perhaps he's annoyed with Ori
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Yes, he'll be fully CG, but most of the other goblins will not be
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DanielLB
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Jul 9 2012, 11:19pm
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But even if that's the case, my guess is that they are FINAL concept art, and it is likely that they will look something like that in the films...
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Jul 9 2012, 11:20pm
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Meaning the longish hair on his head and back, is very, very interesting. For one, it seems to be of human-ish length. Secondly, and perhaps most intriguingly, it looks to be a lot lighter than the rest of the bear's fur... Is it possible that Beorn, the man, will be blonde, and that this will also be reflected in his bear form?
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Jul 9 2012, 11:21pm
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Or at least that his face would be. However, I had not heard that the rest of the goblins would be CGI. Bombadil is the first person to have said that, as far as I am aware...
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Jul 9 2012, 11:21pm
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I'm not worried either, but...
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Isn't anyone else just dying to see the goblins/orcs of this film? We haven't seen any in the blogs except for a few people in prosthetic suits without facial prosthetics. ARGHHHH!!!! Oh well I will just have to wait. This picture is so freaking awesome though. And I love the look of the Wargs!
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Jul 9 2012, 11:21pm
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Secondly, and perhaps most intriguingly, it looks to be a lot lighter than the rest of the bear's fur... I thought that was just the moonlight catching it.
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Jul 9 2012, 11:25pm
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I initially thought so as well
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But as he is generally backlit, one would think that the dark part of the bear's face would all be dark, long hair and short. Yet even those strands of hair are lighter than his face... Of course, this is a photoshopped piece of work, and normal lighting need not apply. But as it stands, it looks like slightly lighter hair to me.
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Jul 9 2012, 11:25pm
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Several weeks ago a picture of the production filming outside Beorn's house popped up on Flickr. To be able to watch the big version you'd have to shell out $50 (so I never got a good look). In the picture there was a person with what looked like a big, blonde wig. The picture was later removed. Blonde hair is definitely possible.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 9 2012, 11:26pm
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How in the name of all that is holy do you do that? You hack into the EW site, and extract a high res version of the image? Impressive, whatever it is...
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Jul 9 2012, 11:27pm
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My friends if you cut this poster into pieces you have HD fantastic wallpapers!!! This is mine: IMG]http://i48.tinypic.com/2q8vfh4.jpg[/IMG] My laptop looks sooo good now!
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Jul 9 2012, 11:27pm
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Was that reported here on TORN?
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If not, why didn't you say anything? In any event, blonde hair on Beorn wouldn't bother me in the slightest.
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Carne
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Jul 9 2012, 11:28pm
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There was a thread about Beorn's house
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And I brought it up. Some of us discussed it. I went back to look for it later but it was gone (I'm fairly sure it's removed because I can no longer find it)
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Jul 9 2012, 11:29pm
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My first born goes to you Eruthurin!
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Whether you want it or not!!
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Captain Salt
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Jul 9 2012, 11:33pm
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If the Goblins have been somewhat redesigned...
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I'd expect that they may not be relieved (at least in their full glory), until later in the marketing campaign. Agreed that this may make the scale of the film appear smaller, though we'll probably get shots of the Dwarves fighting or fleeing from something, so we'll still see some frenetic action in various locales.
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Jul 9 2012, 11:36pm
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OMG, I'm always get the biggest news late!!
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This is amazing... I'm sure someone's pointed out, Elrond has the Morgul blade on his table, and Beorn seems to have hair? Also, is that troll grinning?
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Jul 9 2012, 11:37pm
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Are you implying that the goblin extras are all going to killed? In any event, I do think the goblins are being saved for some reason. My guess is that they are a new design, and that they are something special. I hope they are very different, as for the most part, I thought the LOTR goblins looked like a bunch of creeps with masks on.
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Jul 9 2012, 11:40pm
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Pretty sure it leads to the elf-halls...
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The elf halls had a bridge leading to it. It's not quite as dramatic or high-up in the book, but it's there. I like it
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DanielLB
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Jul 9 2012, 11:41pm
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Beorn is a polar bear
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Shelob'sAppetite
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So I can't see what other bridge it could be... Looks nice to me. There seems to be a good deal of corrosion there at the base.
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More likely (water) erosion
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And he's angry at the goblins of Goblin-town, who are almost certainly burning large quantities of carbon-heavy coal to feed their furnaces, thus contributing to Arctic melt and forcing him to move southwards. A modern allegory, perhaps?
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Yes, I was "implying that the goblin extras are all going to killed". 8)
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Apparently, one typo/grammatical error begats anothor.
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit" 5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck 4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot 3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan 2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate 1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!
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PJ did say that he was going to explore the geopolitics of Middle-earth ... /
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I think the bridge may have been taken out of context
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As by rights if it leads to Thranduil's halls then it should be in the forest; the ivy at the base of the bridge makes me think that it has been pasted into the mountain scenery to better fit with the barrels below.
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Clearly so I can annoy you by correcting you!
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My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit" 5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck 4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot 3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan 2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate 1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!
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It's the cute Lego Bilbo version
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See the front page/collecting board for more.
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit" 5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck 4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot 3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan 2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate 1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!
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Jul 10 2012, 12:08am
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Love Bear Beorn, he looks amazing...and Thorin looks more like I'd hoped he would (the older variation.) Still bummed about Armitage chickening out regarding the beard, but I'm sure I'll forget that when I see what a great job he does nailing my favorite Tolkien character.
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Armitage never said he originally had a long beard. All he said was that he decided to grow his own beard for block 2, as he felt it was easier to act without the prosthetics on his jaw (very reasonable). All indications, including all the vlog clips we saw of block 1 shooting, point to Armitage always having had a short beard. The idea that he asked for a short beard is, as far as I am aware, a myth. This was most likely a design decision by PJ and crew, and likely had nothing to do with Armitage's input.
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Jul 10 2012, 12:13am
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Someone who really does not know the story has no notion that these events are sequential. And even if they guess that there is a sequencing, it still doesn't add up. Bilbo is alone fleeing the wargs in the picture, the essential scene of the capture by the goblins and the rescue by Gandalf are absent, the trolls are lurking in the forest but they haven't caught anything, Beorn is just a bear in the forest. Evidently Gandalf is friends with moths, eagles and bears as well. Nothing is really a give away. An average trailer gives away much more. We *know* these are spoilers, since we know the arc of the general story. To someone who has never read the books, it's just a series of images, highlights of scenes that lacks context; "Oh there'll be barrel scenes" blah blah blah. Nothing different than a trailer that shows a clip from the final fight of a film, the audience has no where or how but in retrospect you could technically argue it's a spoiler. Besides, it's a 60+ year old book. Spoilers aren't too big of a concern, except for possibly the Dol Guldor (spelling?) storyline, which is a bit more mysterious right now. That's probably where the big surprises of the story will be. "Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!" "Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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Jul 10 2012, 12:19am
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That the figure in question is indeed a howling warg. I was hoping for Bolg, but no luck.
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AinurOlorin
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Jul 10 2012, 12:25am
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I thought the Mumakil were perfect. Remember, their lesser cousins
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who still dwell on Earth are but shadows of their former girth and majesty, so it would not do at all for the Oliphaunts, The Mumak of Harad, to be only slightly larger than a normal African Elephant. There are pre-historic bears that were up to 14 feet high. And of course, Earth's history is full of giagantic creatures, from Spinosaurus and Ultrasauraus to the great whales. These events are set in an ancient time, in The Age of Wonder one could say. A bit of unusual girth won't hurt credulity. That is not a normal-sized bear. It is very large (through reasonably so), and if it existed in our world, would likely be considered to be one of the largest bears alive. I hope he does remain that size, as having a bear that is within the realm of possibility in our world will make, IMO, for more convincing cinema. I always thought the mumakil were far too massive, and would have looked much more interesting if they were closer to real battle elephant size (though a little bigger). As they were, they were somewhat unconvincing. This Beorn looks great (also notice the locks of longish hair that hang down on the side of his head - to indicate that this is a man-bear?). Also, given GDT's focus on "silhouettes," is anyone but me seeing this reflected here? From the dwarves to the wargs to Beorn, I really get a sense of GDT's visual influence on the characters... Though I'm sure PJ's influence is just as strong. This really has gotten me excited. "Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!" "Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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Pipe Dream
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Jul 10 2012, 12:29am
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As if I needed to be more excited.
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This is *BLEEP*-ing awesome!
"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.
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DarkJackal
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Jul 10 2012, 12:40am
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You remember the discussion of the big wig guy from those images someone took of location shooting at Beorn's house that we were all too cheap to buy the high res versions of?? The big wig thing had light hair. My guess is Beorn will be blonde. Edit: This thread is moving too fast for me. What Carne just said!
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artemy
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Jul 10 2012, 12:48am
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The only evidence of Beorn I remember seeing
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were some potential pieces of concept art, and the huge chair John Howe was sitting in during one vlog which I am certain belongs in Beorn's house, judging by its size and rustic, homely surroundings.
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DarkJackal
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Jul 10 2012, 12:53am
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Ready to shell out the cash Shelob??
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duats
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Jul 10 2012, 12:55am
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The lighter bits are where his fur is catching the moonlight.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 10 2012, 12:58am
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With the long hair that hangs in front of his face, as that part of Beorn is not lit, but in shadow. Even in shadow, that hair is lighter than the rest.
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DarkJackal
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Jul 10 2012, 12:58am
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I know, and I have already gushed over it
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Just want to show appreciation for all who try to keep us in the know. It's hard to keep up with what's already been posted when it comes this fast.
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duats
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Jul 10 2012, 12:59am
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Armitage said that they started out as rather extreme versions of themselves, and scaled back accordingly. He believes the jaw is important to acting, so it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he requesting a short beard.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 10 2012, 12:59am
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And I will never disagree with you again. Ever.
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Bombadil
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Jul 10 2012, 1:01am
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Why is Sting glowing in Mirkwood?
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Does it glow when Spiders are present?
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 10 2012, 1:01am
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But there's no evidence to suggest that the beard was ever very long. I think a youngish, short-bearded Thorin was a very early design decision by PJ and company. The decision to cast Armitage being one indication of that.
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marillaraina
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Jul 10 2012, 1:06am
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I am SO excited. And all my favorite characters make good appearances. :)
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DarkJackal
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Jul 10 2012, 1:06am
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...is Beorn turns into a polar bear for the Battle of Five Armies, and Thorin rides him into the fray! (that is the real truth behind the white creature Richard Taylor is on). Why? Because Thorin has to outdo Dain and his crazy undomesticated pig mount! You just wait and see...
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DarkJackal
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Jul 10 2012, 1:09am
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ByThorinsBeard wrote: "but I'm sure I'll forget that when I see what a great job he does nailing my favorite Tolkien character." That's the spirit!
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Jim
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Jul 10 2012, 1:15am
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to the right of the flaming tree and above the wargs in the background? It looks like he is standing in front of two ponies? This has just elevated my excitement to another level, Comic Con is just around the corner and I can't wait to see what they will reveal this Saturday.
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DarkJackal
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Jul 10 2012, 1:15am
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I live for our disagreements!
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flowww
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Jul 10 2012, 1:16am
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Although, notice how in every shot of the dwarves, Kili is featured the most prominantly... Mildly disconcerting, especially since he really takes away from their dwarfishness. I understand of course that this is Entertainment Weekly and they're going to focus on sex appeal, but imo this amply demonstrates how Kili's image is a purely commercial decision. Hopefully he wont be used as much - and in the same way - in the film as he is in the promotion, stinking it all up with this pandering, gratuitous fanservice. Honestly, it reeks of Warner Bros. Otherwise though, this all looks beautiful. Very Hobbit-y.
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marillaraina
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Jul 10 2012, 1:21am
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There are three figures in the foreground. Gandalf, Radagast and an Elf? Perhaps the last two are the folk who Gandalf met on the road who warned him about the Trolls. Not sure where you mean or if you are kidding but the three people in the foreground on the hill picture are Kili, Fili and, I think, Oin(and the three people at the head of the line are Gandalf, Bilbo and I think Gloin)
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Sinister71
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Jul 10 2012, 1:23am
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are they Wargs or just wolves?
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just because they are showing them doesn't mean they are Wargs they could just be the wolf portion of the wolves and Wargs
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Sinister71
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Jul 10 2012, 1:24am
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lots of interesting things to see
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QuackingTroll
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Jul 10 2012, 1:25am
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So, what's Elrond doing with the Morgul blade?
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I thought he might be trying to translate Glamdring's description, but the higher-res picture confirms this is the Morgul Blade, so what's he reading? High-res: http://cinescopia.com/...mica-principal00.jpg
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duats
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Jul 10 2012, 1:27am
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It still looks like its catching the light to me
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And it being a few strands of hair, shining light down on it would make it look lighter than it really is. It could also just be chocked up to the fact that it's concept art - hence the inconsistency in lighting (Gandalf seems to be lit by a completely different light source). Just look at his shoulder. Even though it's a night shot, that looks black to me, with maybe just the slightest hint of brown/blonde in there. I don't know. If he were blonde, I think it'd be much more apparent. For instance, even in this nighttime scene, you can still clearly make out that Gandalf's hat is blue, and his robes are grey. Also note that Beorn's color is much darker than Gandalf's grey robes, which I don't think would be the case if his hair were blonde.
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Kangi Ska
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Jul 10 2012, 1:27am
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not one at all!
Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain Life is an adventure, not a contest. At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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Bombadil
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Jul 10 2012, 1:27am
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Fili&Kili have the best Eyesight
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SO..they take up the rear guard Gandalf leading since he knows the Territory. Also my opinion is that are grouped often by families & Rank... so our youngest are usually last in line.
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QuackingTroll
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Jul 10 2012, 1:28am
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Actually, if you look really close...
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you can see, faintly, he's looking at Thror's map I do wonder how the Morgul Blade has any relevance, though.
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ByThorinsBeard
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Jul 10 2012, 1:34am
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I won't argue your valid points, but pardon my cliche - the eyes are the windows of the soul. For every single role I've seen Richard in, it's his eyes and the tone of his voice that really sell the character for me. Never bothered looking at his jaw. And I am sure that the short beard was as much a marketing tool as it was comfort on Richard's part. Ah well, I suppose my request for a hot male character with a long beard has been dashed again. ;)
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QuackingTroll
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Jul 10 2012, 1:44am
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Oddly enough, I was looking for the moth on my second look... have you found it?
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eralkfang
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Jul 10 2012, 1:45am
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I've got chills; December can't come soon enough! The dwarves look amazing—Thorin's design, in particular, is really working for me lately. The wargs (or just plain old wolves!) look great, I'm pleased as punch to see Beorn… I think it's just hit me that this is actually happening. Like, for real.
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ByThorinsBeard
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Jul 10 2012, 1:48am
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Need to find your Thorin fan site again... From a cranky not old berserk-her trying to open her trap jaw mind. and LoL at Bjorn asyour polar bear quip.
"Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you anywhere." - Albert Einstein.
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ElendilTheShort
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Jul 10 2012, 1:49am
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not just the quality of the content but the fact that many early design concerns have evolved and improved especially with regards to the dwarves. All the scenery looks beautiful and dare I say it more Tolkien like than some of what we saw in the LOTR movies. The wargs are even wargs not those ugly mutated mongerels in the LOTR movies. Good to see Beorn T. Bear is not some over the top design, just what he is meant to be...perfect.
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Bombadil
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Jul 10 2012, 1:49am
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Don't get Hasty..it's A paper weight?
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..Personally even though I Love Rohan &z Gondor.. I'm really pleased we are gunna Tour Northern ME! Mossy deep greens, wilder counties that are not settled into Vast kingdoms. PJ's movies were a bit too bright for me. SO we get to Visit a... much more mysterious, Shadowy Realm. (Maybe because I read them in High School in Colorado Springs) Mountains in the northern lattitudes have often felt like hidden places somewhere in ME to me. The last shot of the company in barrels sooo reminds me of tubeing down Rivers in Colorado as a kid! Bomby
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SirDennisC
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Jul 10 2012, 2:08am
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Going according to the implied chronology I assumed the blade was sting... but I see now that it is like a Morgul blade (after the shape and pommel). That is new. Was it found in the Troll's cave or is it evidence that Sauron is afoot? It does appear to be Thorin's map that Elrond is pouring over. You can kind of see it by the light shining through it. But is no one excited to see Bilbo riding atop a barrel rather than inside of one?
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QuackingTroll
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Jul 10 2012, 2:10am
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They lose their armour, clothes and most of (possibly all of?*) their gear while in Thrainduil's keep. I imagine they'll spruce up at Laketown, so they could look quite different in film 2. What's interesting is that if these new looks exist, then they've already been designed and shot and none of us have had any idea *I wonder what happens to their weapons, particularly Orcrist, when in Thranduil's halls? Does the book explain? Perhaps he gets it back in film 2 via a particular elf? Or maybe Bilbo steals some stuff from a confiscation room and packs it in barrels?
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Altaira
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Jul 10 2012, 2:17am
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The 'new and improved' wargs look awesome, as does the 'bear' form of Beorn.
Koru: Maori symbol representing a fern frond as it opens. The koru reaches towards the light, striving for perfection, encouraging new, positive beginnings.
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QuackingTroll
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Jul 10 2012, 2:21am
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I think it's spoilers for those who have... It probably just looks confusing to those that haven't.
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jul 10 2012, 2:28am
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Is it just wishful thinking on my part
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or does Bifur not have an axe in his head in the barrel?
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duats
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Jul 10 2012, 2:37am
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It's just obscured by his black hair.
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QuackingTroll
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Jul 10 2012, 2:44am
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I guess Voronwe wanted it to be ...wait for it...
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Eruthurin
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Jul 10 2012, 3:06am
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hahahaha, very honored, mellon ;) //
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Buchanicus
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Jul 10 2012, 3:07am
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I notice that Kili is featured more than any other Dwarf on the banner
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He can be made out clearly in every "scene" of the Dwarves.
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jul 10 2012, 3:10am
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'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.' The Hall of Fire
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Finrod
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Jul 10 2012, 3:18am
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Elrond is known to have especial skill at extracting iron implements from very touchy spots. Maybe he pulled the axe-blade out of the Dwarf’s head when they were at Rivendell.
…all eyes looked upon the ring; for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarfin and his house.The Silmarillion, pp 150-151 while Felagund laughs beneath the treesin Valinor and comes no more to this grey world of tears and war.The Lays of Beleriand, p 311
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jul 10 2012, 3:24am
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'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.' The Hall of Fire
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marillaraina
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Jul 10 2012, 3:29am
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I understand of course that this is Entertainment Weekly and they're going to focus on sex appeal, but imo this amply demonstrates how Kili's image is a purely commercial decision. Hopefully he wont be used as much - and in the same way - in the film as he is in the promotion, stinking it all up with this pandering, gratuitous fanservice. Honestly, it reeks of Warner Bros. I doubt that you'll get your wish, as I assume, given how they end, that Kili and Fili will have among the more prominent dwarf roles. They'll want to be able to play up their fate to maximum effect and honestly, IMO, that would be the case, no matter what they looked like. It just makes sense. It's tragic, they are young and energetic and hopeful and they die, and it's directly related to "Thorin's Folly". IMO that's not pandering, that's good storytelling, I always assumed that for the film, they were going to play up Thorin and his relationship with his nephews, flesh out Kili and Fili's characters so the audience would become attached to them. How they look may or may not be pandering, but their probable place in the story makes perfect dramatic sense. That said I don't disagree that some of that probably played into WB's choices for use in the photo scroll.
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Altaira
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Jul 10 2012, 3:29am
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Excellent theory, Finrod.
Koru: Maori symbol representing a fern frond as it opens. The koru reaches towards the light, striving for perfection, encouraging new, positive beginnings.
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duats
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Jul 10 2012, 3:32am
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Haven't we seen him with the axehead
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In scenes taking place after Rivendell?
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kimber
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Jul 10 2012, 4:09am
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I agree that this is the bridge to the elvenking's halls, but looking at the hi-res picture I think these 13 figures are 12 dwarves plus a visible Bilbo second in line. If the movie follows the book Thorin should already be inside. Or is this the 13 dwarves and Bilbo is invisible? The dwarves have no elven guard bringing them in, so maybe the movie has them entering of their own will, seeking help or following Thorin? Definitely looks like a change in their mode/motivation of arrival.
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kimber
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Jul 10 2012, 4:25am
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To me it looks like a wolf howling straight up, with two others entering from the woods. Hard to see though. I don't think we need Radagast to ride to the rescue in this scene, though who knows where he will be inserted into the story?
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kimber
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Jul 10 2012, 4:35am
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My guess is that given the three characters present, this is a scene from a (partial) White Council meeting and Elrond is considering some sort of evidence about the necromancer's activities: an evil blade unwrapped from its cloth (the wavy thing it is on looks more like cloth than paper) with an accompanying message. Maybe a message sent from Radagast or Saruman since neither is pictured? I am so eager to see how the White Council is dealt with in the movies, and especially to see Christopher Lee again!
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kimber
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Jul 10 2012, 4:47am
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Elrond needs to look at the map of Erebor in the moon light, and Bilbo and some dwarves should be around when he does, so I don't think this is it. Perhaps some message for him, Galadriel, and Gandalf, sent along with the evil blade?
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 10 2012, 5:34am
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That is a warg or wolf sitting on his haunches and howling
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And those are some other wargs/wolves emerging from the trees. So, no Radagast or any ponies.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 10 2012, 5:36am
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I'm willing to bet that Beorn will be blonde
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And that when in bear form, there will be a hint of blonde hair on his head and upper back (while otherwise being brown/black).
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 10 2012, 5:38am
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I mean that there will be some blonde on Beorn the bear. Namely, the hanging hair. That is why I was distinguishing the seemingly light-colored hair on his head, with what looks to be an overall dark brown/black color.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 10 2012, 5:43am
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They will have different clothes post-Laketown
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Some of the on location vlogs, which show the dwarves after Laketown (seemingly near the Mountain), show Gloin and Ori with very different clothes on (they look like ceremonial garb given by the Laketown residents). So we will definitely be seeing some different-looking dwarves for film 2. I'm delighted by that. I love when characters go through major costume changes (such as Pippin, Merry and Aragorn in ROTK).
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 10 2012, 5:46am
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It's also tragic when solid characters that look middle-aged, or even old, die untimely deaths. IMO, there's no need to "amp that up" by making Fili and Kili look like teenagers.
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Marillë by the Sea
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Jul 10 2012, 5:46am
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Probably very little relevance
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Considering how this is a composite shot, I bet the people responsible for this scroll just slapped that morgul blade in there to include as much information as possible.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 10 2012, 5:47am
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Or maybe it's just a photoshop job, and the elves were not included
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More likely, I'd say.
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Marillë by the Sea
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Jul 10 2012, 5:48am
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The one you think is Radagast is just a wolf howling.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 10 2012, 5:49am
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Different outfits and different weapons. Those scenes are definitely post-Laketown.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 10 2012, 5:52am
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We have... The behind-the-scenes clips of the barrel ride sequence clearly show Bifur with that idiotic head ornament. PJ can get some things soooo right, and then quickly spoil it with something soooo wrong.
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Jul 10 2012, 5:55am
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Information overload!! It's amazing how they summed up all of the main events of the first film in this scroll. Thorin looks so majestic and regal, I am now wholeheartedly certain RA is perfect for this role (his eyes say it all). Beorn and the wolves look perfect! I assume they're going to explain that the wargs in LOTR are mutants of the wolves in The Hobbit, cross-bred by Saruman like the Uruks. It's a bit disconcerting (although I know I'm jumping the gun here) to see Glamdring with Gandalf in the first scene. Of course this is all photoshopped in, so this Gandalf may be cut out from a scene post-trollshaw. I just REAAALLY hope they include Glamdring in the troll stash, and have it glow along with Orcrist and sting. Screw continuity!!! Bilbo holding a glowing Sting in the Mirkwood forest... could it be that goblins are present as well the spiders? Or is this taken from another scene? I do believe that bridge goes to Thranduil's halls, but it doesn't make sense that the dwarves are walking in freely, with no Elven guards (I assume they will be tied up when they enter the halls).
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 10 2012, 6:04am
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Why does everyone think the previous wargs need explaining?
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They can simply be silently accepted as a different breed of warg (these are the northern kind!). There's no reason to shrink Middle Earth by unnecessarily explaining away every mystery.
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Jul 10 2012, 6:14am
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In the highest res version I think I can vaguely see the shape of the lonely mountain looking as it does on the map in the book.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 10 2012, 6:15am
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The annoying thing about Turner is...
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Not just that he doesn't have a beard, but that he doesn't even have an interesting face. He looks like quite a standard, modern, decent-looking suburban young adult. They could have at least chosen someone with interesting, or more chiseled, facial bone structure.
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SirDennisC
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Jul 10 2012, 6:17am
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featuring a few of the things that will be addressed at Rivendell? IOW Gandalf and Galadriel may not actually be standing behind Elrond in the moment Elrond is shown. And there is something weird going on with the lighting around Elrond, and the shadow he is casting across the table. Incidentally, in the language of cinema, two figures framed by an archway or doorway (or sometimes a window) is code for they are a couple, or are otherwise committed to each other in a profound way. This really makes me wonder if the view of Gandalf and Galadriel is through the archway at all? And what of the insertion of Elrond between them?
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SirDennisC
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Jul 10 2012, 6:23am
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If an adaptation needn't be slavish
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then neither should a prequel, no?
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marillaraina
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Jul 10 2012, 6:32am
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Whateveh, I do what I want!(I hate having to fill in a subject EVERY single time:)
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It's also tragic when solid characters that look middle-aged, or even old, die untimely deaths. IMO, there's no need to "amp that up" by making Fili and Kili look like teenagers. I didn't say that, I said that no matter what they looked like, their probable "role" in the story would be the same so their role in the story really has nothing to do with what they look like. They look like they look for whatever reason, but their place in the story, IMO, was always going to be the same. It was always going to "amped up" - let's face it, almost none of the dwarves other than Thorin had much "face time" in the book, most of them were lucky if they had more than a couple of lines in the whole book. So IMO they were always going to flesh out Kili and Fili's roles in particular and their relationship with Thorin due to the fact they are his heirs and they DIE. It isn't middle aged dwarves or old dwarves who die(except Thorin), it's two young dwarves. I've often read that it was perhaps a little commentary by Tolkien, the whole idea of young men, full of promise and with their whole lives ahead of them, dying in "older men's wars" which was a big thing about WWI. That is what is usually the case, but due to the massive wholesale slaughter of millions of the young men of much of Western Europe in that war, it was a particularly big deal. How they look has nothing to do with whether or not they are "solid" characters either, which also means even if they don't have much in the way of prosthetics and look cute, if they are well written and well portrayed that should have no effect on whether or not they are solid characters. People judging the characters based on whether or not they look "dwarvish" enough(given the fact that they are in line for dwarf height and such) are just as guilty of being shallow as those who for whom the supposed fanservice was done for, IMO. And IMO Tolkien made a bit of a big deal in The Hobbit that Fili and Kili were younger and more agile, etc, etc so even if you don't like the way the film has gone about showing that, they were always IMO going to look like young adults(they certainly don't look like teenagers to me, I think that's a real exaggeration), given they were quite a bit younger than almost everyone else, the filmmakers were going to make them look that way. Not do the "all dwarves look the same age until they are 220". :) Because it's another tool for differentiating the character - the fashions and hairstyles and the ages are all ways of doing that. It seems to me all PJ did in that regards, leaving use of prosthetics aside for making them look or not look "dwarvish" according to some, was to increase the age a bit where young dwarves still look "young" as opposed to the "one size fits all" age that effects most dwarves after they reach a certain age until they get very old. So he's done it in such a way that you've young adult dwarves, middle aged dwarves of various shapes and sizes which make up the bulk of the rest and a couple dwarves perhaps bordering on an older age.
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DanielLB
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Jul 10 2012, 6:40am
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.... I can see PJ doing that ... /
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DanielLB
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Jul 10 2012, 6:41am
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I had forgotten that there was even a bridge!
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Jul 10 2012, 6:43am
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It's a new domain name though?
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I wonder if they will be switching over?
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DanielLB
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Jul 10 2012, 6:46am
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You were the only person to reply to my joke.
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Jul 10 2012, 6:47am
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scrolling across that picture felt like reading the book
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that was awesome, everything looks perfect. These movies are going to be so epic, The Hobbit is the best fantasy story ever
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DanielLB
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Jul 10 2012, 6:56am
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All of these "scenes", excluding Rivendell, are during the night. Although lighter, the last two "scenes" are comparatively dark(er). I hadn't really noticed this was the case before. Everything happens in the dark!
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Jul 10 2012, 7:06am
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at the entire first movie from the beginning till the end :) The entire picture is gorgeous. I'm out of words.
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Jul 10 2012, 7:15am
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It now redirects to "http://wwws.warnerbros.co.uk/thehobbitpart1"
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That site has the same content as thehobbit.com
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 10 2012, 7:34am
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I also dislike the overuse of prosthetics
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All I think would have been nice is a proper beard (short or long), and some interesting facial features. As it stands, Turner simply looks like a modern young adult playing at being a dwarf in a fantasy film. For me, this will lessen the impact of his character arc, IMO. Perhaps that is superficial. But film is a visual medium, and if I cannot accept a character as existing in Middle Earth, it will be difficult for me to absorb his story.
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Jul 10 2012, 7:51am
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... and go away and lose myself scrolling the scroll! It's magical - I can't wait for the film...
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Jul 10 2012, 8:02am
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For me he's the one that I'm still not quite sure about as appearing dwarf-like. But I did bring up this point last year when the pics first came out: We can only go by what he looks like, at the moment. We haven't seen enough of him in action in the movie. It's possible that he might come off completely believable as a dwarf in the movie. We still have to take into account how he's going to act, sound, talk, move, and his height appearance when next to humans. It is quite possible (and I'm holding out hope) that if all of these OTHER elements are done right, we might almost forget that he doesn't really look very Dwarven, when he acts, sounds, talks, and moves like a believable dwarf. But that's still up in the air for now. I just kind of wish that they had let him have his long beard like he did at the conference thing and have less straight hair. Even his long curly hair at the conference thing looked more dwarven than his hair does in the movie. But we will have to wait and see how his performance turns out.
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Jul 10 2012, 8:09am
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but all Wolves are not Wargs.
Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain Life is an adventure, not a contest. At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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Jul 10 2012, 8:40am
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OMG!!! This has just totally spiked my geek-o-meter! *tearing* WOW!!! WOW!!!! I need to spend a whole day just going over and over and over this thing! HOW CRUEL!!! HOW DELICIOUSLY TORMENTING!!! WOW!! I want this to be one of those scrolling desktop backgrounds we had for LotR!! THANKS FOR THIS!! I'm so freaking busy right now I haven't had time to get lost in this as I need to be! *spins in chair* WOW!
I really need these new films to take me back to, and not re-introduce me to, that magical world. TORn's Observations Lists Unused Scenes
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Foromir
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Jul 10 2012, 9:05am
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The different parts/scenes of the image could almost be used as illustrations for a new Hobbit book edition. Note that they cover almost every chapeter nicely.
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Foromir
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Jul 10 2012, 9:08am
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Obviously we have a new love triangle! //
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Incidentally, in the language of cinema, two figures framed by an archway or doorway (or sometimes a window) is code for they are a couple, or are otherwise committed to each other in a profound way. This really makes me wonder if the view of Gandalf and Galadriel is through the archway at all? And what of the insertion of Elrond between them?
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Jul 10 2012, 9:43am
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I made a few wallpapers for you guys! Personally I'm using the first one, loving the colors! http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/2336/wallpapervz.jpg http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/1711/wallpaper2bw.jpg http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6210/wallpaper3l.jpg http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/1209/wallpaper4lb.jpg http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8783/wallpaper5i.jpg The resolution should be enough for most people too ;)
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Jul 10 2012, 10:11am
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Well at least I can't cry about there not being a website anymore :P //
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The Plan 9 Interview... in celebration of the 10th anniversary of the release of The Fellowship of the Ring.
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redgiraffe
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Jul 10 2012, 10:20am
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I'm going with the second one! And at some point will change to the first.
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Xanaseb
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Jul 10 2012, 10:38am
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Join us over at Barliman's chat all day, any day! ________________________________________________ Laketown guy: What have the dwarves -ever- done for us? Bard: The aqueduct! Laketown guy: Piss off! We're not from Dale
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Jul 10 2012, 11:17am
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*puts on sunglasses* (reference)
For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much -- the wheel, New York, wars, and so on -- while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man, for precisely the same reasons. -- Douglas Adams
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Jul 10 2012, 11:52am
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I was actually looking up costume reference for Fili, so I was happy to find some shots of Fili and Kili during the barrel scene when they're coatless. There, you get to see that both Fili and Kili have padding, like the other dwarves, and the thicker hand prosthetics, which makes them look, well, more dwarven! (Personally, I think Fili is the very picture of a handsome young dwarf.) [url= "http://heirsofdurin.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/untitled-60-copy.jpg"]Here's a shot of Fili, here's a shot of Kili. I also hope that there will be endless jokes at Kili's expense about his lack of a beard and general , especially given the dynamic that audition packet told us they were going for with them.
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Jul 10 2012, 12:40pm
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Kili, i am still not sold on it. For me he just looks like a man. I think its nothing to do with his body as like anyone elses they can do what they think will make him look more dwarven. I just dont think his face looks particularly dwarven, maybe due to lack of beard or just his bone structure, or both. I dont think it will detract from the film or anything, just if i think about how he looks he just isnt a dwarf to me, haha. The main thing is that his performance is excellent and very convincing which i am sure it will be, this is the main thing after seeing them all for a minute or so that will be the deciding factor.
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Jul 10 2012, 12:53pm
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Thanks for these, they're awesome B-) //
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The Plan 9 Interview... in celebration of the 10th anniversary of the release of The Fellowship of the Ring.
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TheSexyBeard
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Jul 10 2012, 1:39pm
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What brilliant surprise! Everything looks great! Personally I never had much of a problem with the Wargs from the trilogy but I could see why people didn't like them so its cool to see a more "traditional" design thats looks suitably intimidating and almost demonic. It's definitely another warg in the background of the burning forrest image, I'm sure it's the same one howling in the foreground. Beron also looks great, I was expecting him to look bigger though but I do like the strands of hair hinting at his human form. Also worthy of a mention is that in the Bag-end shot, you can clearly see one of Dwalin's axes that can sometimes be seen on his back in some of he vlogs.
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Jul 10 2012, 1:43pm
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I was quite proud of my Menegroth discovery... but no-one else seems to care lol
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QuackingTroll
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Jul 10 2012, 1:48pm
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So what do you think happens to Orcrist? (spoilers)
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Do you think Bilbo will steal it? I don't think the elves would be very willing to give such an important elvish sword back to a dwarf. Maybe Thorin doesn't get it back until he's dead?
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Jul 10 2012, 1:52pm
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Go into "Personalize>Desktop Background" there's an option at the bottom "Change picture every:" If you save all the pictures in a special folder then your background will keep changing
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dormouse
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Jul 10 2012, 2:03pm
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I think it's an excellent discovery!
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Don't despair - just that there's so much to take in at the moment.
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imin
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Jul 10 2012, 2:08pm
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It was a good find , i think this thread is just moving so fast its hard to keep pace with everyone's posts. I know when i went to bed then woke up, the thread was 3 pages longer! Edit - so fast in fact that dormouse responded to you whilst i was writing my post, haha!
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Jul 10 2012, 2:20pm
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I was simply restating what others were saying. Nothing more.
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Earl
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Jul 10 2012, 2:24pm
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I too noticed the similarity to Alan Lee's illustration from COH
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You're not alone
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Earl
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Jul 10 2012, 2:26pm
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... Thranduil lays it upon Thorin's breast as his body is laid to rest under the Mountain. And it was said that ever after the blade glowed in the darkness so that the Mountain was never taken by surprise.
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Hanzkaz
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Jul 10 2012, 2:33pm
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And it was said that ever after the blade glowed in the darkness so that the Mountain was never taken by surprise. - a possible War in the North movie?
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Jul 10 2012, 3:02pm
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I couldn't agree with you more Marillaraina, though I think I ought to warn you now that Shelob isn't one to give up And holy beards, this thread is moving fast, I experienced the same three-page-long growth spurt overnight. Just goes to show that this is the most exciting bit of news so far. On the subject of new costumes, I remember seeing a scale double wearing a sort of harlequin print, multicoloured affair that for whatever reason immediately made me think of Bombur. I know this occurred at a different point in the story since the dwarves were riding skewbald ponies (there weren't any of that type in the former, shaggy batch).
~Beneath the sun, all things must wear to an end at last~
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Jul 10 2012, 3:15pm
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Thorin doesn't get the sword back until this point? That makes it much more touching than how I remember it...
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It's taken from him during his capture and handed back as a token of honour by Thranduil.
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Jul 10 2012, 3:18pm
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It could be that the image of Bilbo holding his sword is actually from Riddles in the Dark. There is (from what I can see) a lack of webs on Bilbo, and it looks as if he sees something rather curious. It could be in the actual Mirkwood scene, to be sure, but it may also be from a different scene.
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Kangi Ska
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Jul 10 2012, 3:35pm
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Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain Life is an adventure, not a contest. At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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Zubeneschamali
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Jul 10 2012, 3:41pm
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Sting does indeed glow when fighting spiders in the book.
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Jul 10 2012, 3:47pm
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I don't know him... Speaking of which...Whatever happened to his NEWS? BOMBY
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Jul 10 2012, 4:02pm
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People seem to forget that Tolkien wrote LOTR and the to be Hobbit different, so I don't know why we're so obsessed with making the movies be the same.
It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)
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Kangi Ska
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Jul 10 2012, 4:06pm
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Do you ever have anything positive to say?
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RosieLass
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Jul 10 2012, 4:17pm
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There is nothing in the posting guidelines that requires posters to be positive. Ever. As long as SA isn't picking on another poster, s/he can be as negative as s/he wants to be.
It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)
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Jul 10 2012, 4:21pm
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...until proven otherwise. But I could see them not wanting to lose it from the screen, so maybe instead of Thranduil tossing into his closet and forgetting about it till the end of the story, he might use it during the BoFA. Otherwise I hope they follow the story in terms of returning it after the fact, and all the poignancy that it creates.
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Jul 10 2012, 4:31pm
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I so hope our Attendees of CCSD get loads
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Of these Scrolls..that they can pass on to us. I'm Guessing anyone at the Q&A with/Peter/Richard/Andy& Martin Will get signed ones... Me? I'd like to put my Name into a Hat to win one Now!!! BOMBY
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Kangi Ska
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Jul 10 2012, 4:36pm
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It has nothing to do with guidelines.
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And was just a question based on long term observation.
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Jul 10 2012, 4:51pm
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It comes across as thinly veiled criticism.
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And just reading this entire thread should give you the answer...that yes, Shelob'sAppetite does say positive things, fairly frequently.
It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)
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Jul 10 2012, 5:07pm
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There are a number of positive comments from Shelob right here in this thread.
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DanielLB
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Sorry Gandalf and ComicCon poster, I have a new one now!
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DanielLB
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Jul 10 2012, 5:12pm
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You were the only one to question my moth claim
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I feel your pain
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Otaku-sempai
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Jul 10 2012, 5:13pm
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What's 13 + 1 + 1? Those foreground characters are Fili, Kili, and Oin. I need more sleep!
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Jul 10 2012, 5:18pm
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There are 15 members of the company. The 13 dwarves, plus Gandalf and Bilbo. Am I missing something? And possibly somewhat sleep-deprived. You would think I'd have at least remembered the song, "Fifteen Birds"! Aye-ya!
"Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house." - Aragorn
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Otaku-sempai
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Jul 10 2012, 5:23pm
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Not sure where you mean or if you are kidding but the three people in the foreground on the hill picture are Kili, Fili and, I think, Oin(and the three people at the head of the line are Gandalf, Bilbo and I think Gloin) I was being a dunce and forgot the true size of Thorin's company (including Gandy).
"Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house." - Aragorn
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aifeme
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Jul 10 2012, 5:34pm
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This looks photoshopped as hell
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But still, it's awesome
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Xanaseb
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Jul 10 2012, 5:38pm
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Lol Bomby, you're so right! what on earth happened to his news (?) hehe...//
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Join us over at Barliman's chat all day, any day! ________________________________________________ Laketown guy: What have the dwarves -ever- done for us? Bard: The aqueduct! Laketown guy: Piss off! We're not from Dale
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Xanaseb
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Jul 10 2012, 5:40pm
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hey, I think Shelob's been remarkably positive in this thread :P hehehe. //
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;)
Join us over at Barliman's chat all day, any day! ________________________________________________ Laketown guy: What have the dwarves -ever- done for us? Bard: The aqueduct! Laketown guy: Piss off! We're not from Dale
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DanielLB
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Jul 10 2012, 5:41pm
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Any news that he *was* going to give us
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has been superseeded by the trailer, all the vlogs, and all these posters and pictures. However interesting his stories may have been, I'm quite happy what we have received. All we do is sit behind a computer and moan and type
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 10 2012, 5:50pm
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Have you read any of my other comments in this thread? Most of them are entirely positive (even gushingly so). I have even been defending Beorn from some detractors! So my question to you is: Why do you only pay attention if I say something critical? Frankly, these kind of questions from you are getting tiresome, and boring. This is the last time I'll bother responding.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 10 2012, 5:52pm
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And on top of this, I have been mostly positive in this thread! In fact, in the first few pages, I was gushing at about a post a minute!
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Jul 10 2012, 5:54pm
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 10 2012, 5:55pm
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If you truly want and answer to you question
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And weren't just being disagreeable, lick here. That's a record of all my posts. If you'd like, read them all and count what percentage of my posts are positive. You might be surprised by the result.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 10 2012, 5:57pm
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Just a few folks who said he isn't big enough!
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Not exactly detracting, but you know what I mean. He looks just right, IMO. Though given that this is a photo shop job, he may end up being much bigger.
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Kangi Ska
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Jul 10 2012, 6:08pm
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need not be negative. I have not ignored your posts. (Both new and old) I have read most everything you have written here. "Frankly, these kind of questions from you are getting tiresome, and boring. This is the last time I'll bother responding." I am sorry I bored you. It was not my intent. KS
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Daisy Gold
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Jul 10 2012, 6:18pm
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I took a closer look at the moth DanielLB. It could be a moth on the branch, maybe one of Radagast's. However I think they are the black butterflies that Bilbo sees at the top of the trees. At first I thought they were the autumn leaves in Mirkwood but now that I see a larger version of the scroll I think they may be the butterflies. I hope it's butterflies as I always enjoy that part of the story. What I don,t care for are the spiders. Are those spiders' legs by Bilbos feet?
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artemy
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Jul 10 2012, 6:19pm
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can you please not do it here? Message each other privately or something, because it really inconveniences the other users who have to scroll through so many posts consisting only of bickering. I'd prefer you didn't argue at all, creates bad vibes - we're a community! Also DanielLB, I asked about the moth. Were you joking? I spent a while looking for it, before thinking that there's no way a single moth could live for sixty years.
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BeornBerserker
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Jul 10 2012, 6:58pm
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I think you are right about this being a photo shop of Beorn and him likely being much bigger. After all he will be portrayed an almost 10 foot tall man in the movie, I would expect that perspective wise he will be much larger than the comparison to Gandalf. Overall I like the design.
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Hanzkaz
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Jul 10 2012, 7:36pm
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Tolkien was always developing his works.
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People seem to forget that Tolkien wrote LOTR and the to be Hobbit different, so I don't know why we're so obsessed with making the movies be the same. Tolkien did try to strengthen the connection between the two stories, but realised that there was a risk of the Hobbit losing it's 'charm'. With the movies, we can start off with the 'innocence' of the book and and by the end of the second movie find ourselves in LOTR territory. For a 'children's book', the Hobbit has a lot of violence going on (killings, decapitation, torture, wholesale destruction of people and property, individuals getting eaten, etc). I'm not sure how you can put that on screen and keep it 'light'.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 10 2012, 8:28pm
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And I am flattered that you have been reading my posts! Though if you have been reading them, why would you ask a question that is obviously answered "no?" I enjoy your contributions on TORN immensely. I am only bored by your queries about my alleged "100% negativity" which is both not the reality, and not a good characterization of my criticism.
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Dlanor da Great
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Jul 10 2012, 8:49pm
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That bear in that pic looks about 10 feet tall.
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BeornBerserker
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Jul 10 2012, 9:01pm
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In the article from last year, Beorn the man was going to be 3 meters tall and that fits with the scale of Beorn's house and the chair we saw John Howe sitting in. The largest Kodiak bears of today can be between 12-14 feet tall standing on their hind feet. Beorn was a giant for a man, so I doubt his Bear form would be smaller than actual bears that exist in our own world. If you just did a straight comparison of Beorn to a normal man and used that ratio, the Bear should be a minimum of 20 feet on its hinds.
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DanielLB
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Jul 10 2012, 9:45pm
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Do I really have to lick there? /
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Ardamírë
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Jul 10 2012, 9:45pm
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He would have looked much better, and more dwarfish if...
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He had kept his natural beard that he had at the beginning, before filming began. I was pretty bummed when I saw they had gotten rid of it.
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DanielLB
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Jul 10 2012, 9:46pm
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I came into the thread pretty late and was expecting someone to have already asked it. So I thought I would start it!
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DanielLB
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Jul 10 2012, 9:46pm
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Sorry artemy! I missed your response.
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I was only joking. I was hoping for people to look frantically. I couldn't spot a moth anywhere
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dormouse
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Jul 10 2012, 9:51pm
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Still waiting for you to say where the moth is! //
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Ardamírë
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Jul 10 2012, 9:54pm
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I want Radagast to turn into a moth!
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DanielLB
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Jul 10 2012, 9:56pm
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Sorry dormouse ... no moth ;-D /
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dormouse
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Jul 10 2012, 9:57pm
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... there I was a couple of days ago scanning the panorama for a hint of moth, then I thought, 'bet he's joking', and stopped. I could still be looking!
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DanielLB
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Jul 10 2012, 9:59pm
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Now it would be ironic if there *was* a moth hidden away somewhere!
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Jul 10 2012, 10:07pm
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You had me looking for a moth! Pesky DanielLB, haha!
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DanielLB
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Jul 10 2012, 10:09pm
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If I'd known people were looking....
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I would've kept stum!
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artemy
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Jul 10 2012, 10:18pm
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How dare you get our hopes up like that I have however noticed what looks like a ribcage near Bilbo's feet - probably elven I suspect. I believe in the book it does mention elves sometimes falling prey to the spiders? Furthermore I suspect that Kili's primary weapon will be his bow and arrows. I say this because to my joy (since I adore such details) in the trailer he is seen to be wearing an archery glove. It shows that PJ and RT are being more flexible with the weapons for each race, i.e. not dwarves must use axes, bows are for elves, or something like that.
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DanielLB
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Jul 10 2012, 10:23pm
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Not sure it's an elf (and can't remember the reference you refer to?) It could just be a shot of Bilbo from under the Misty Mountains, photoshopped into Mirkwood. Could be a goblin skeleton?
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Bauglir100
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Jul 10 2012, 10:32pm
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I think the picture of the Dwarves climbing the Mountain was supposed to represent "Overhill and Underhill", but they put it before "A Short Rest", instead of after it.
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artemy
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Jul 10 2012, 10:48pm
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Having perused my trusty 1997 Harper Collins edition
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I couldn't actually find any mention of elves being eaten by spiders, only that the elves have no mercy on the latter and are profoundly pissed off when the dwarves rouse them. Guess my memory was playing tricks on me However I did find answers as to why in vlog 7 the other dwarves are carrying Bombur through Mirkwood (he fell in the river), and perhaps why Thorin is seen behind Bilbo shooting at something in another of them (the black stag, if they choose to include it). So I'm contented.
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DanielLB
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Jul 10 2012, 10:53pm
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Saying that, I need to re-read the book before the films come out!
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artemy
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Jul 10 2012, 10:57pm
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It's a black stag (which Thorin kills), followed by a white doe and fawns (which escape) The exact quote: "on the path ahead appeared some white deer, a hind and fawns as snowy white as the hart had been dark".
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DanielLB
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Jul 10 2012, 10:59pm
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Evidence that I need to re-read it. Sorry artemy
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redgiraffe
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Jul 11 2012, 12:08am
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oh, yeah, just greeeeaaaatttt, DanielLB
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I've been searching for HOURS for this moth and NOW you tell us it's not there. Ahhh thanks for nothin. Just kidding
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redgiraffe
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Jul 11 2012, 12:25am
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I would like to join you in defending Beorn's size
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As others have said, we might not know if that's his actual size in the film because it could be a photoshop. But if that is his size in the film I think it's perfect. I imagined his human form as being relatively close to that height, although we don't know for sure if he will be bigger. But I think it would make sense with him morphing into a bear of relatively the same height. And he looks like he's slightly larger than the average bear, which I really like. I don't want to see a giant bear that's as relatively oversized as the Oliphaunts were (although I did like the size of the Oliphaunts). I always imagined Beorn just being a slightly larger than normal sized bear. Hopefully, this won't become the new "Shelob" of the film. I remember a lot of people thought Shelob wasn't big enough, but I was completely fine with her size in the film. What I have always been more excited to see is what Beorn looks like in Human form. It's easy to picture a bear. But I feel weird for being the only one who is more interested in seeing Beorn in his human form. And I think I remember MP saying something about having to beef up for the role which will probably look pretty cool. Does anyone else remember him saying that?
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Ziggy Stardust
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Jul 11 2012, 12:39am
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I probably shouldn't be replying to this thread, because I did not look at the pictures, but after reading the comments, the pictures sound really good. I'm so tempted to look at them, but since there is a spoiler warning, I'm afraid to, lest I spoil it for myself.
"It's okay, I feel like getting up and screaming every time you walk into a room." -Lestrade, Sherlock S2,ep3.
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Jul 11 2012, 12:43am
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...copying the link to this thread (click on 'Copy Shortcut' beneath the OP's avatar) and save it into a document. If you do this for any other spoilerific images or information, you'll at least know that once The Hobbit is released you'll have a lot of delicious reading and images to indulge in. :)
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..." Dwarves: "Pretty rings..." Men: "Pretty rings..." Sauron: "Mine's better." "Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak. Ataahua's stories
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 11 2012, 1:06am
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You are definitely not the only one...
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I think most of us are dying to see Persbrandt as Beorn in human form. We've all seen bears before, but none of us have seen a filmic interpretation of the human Beorn. Almost everyone is anticipating that. Just be prepared for him to be blonde.
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Spencissimus
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Jul 11 2012, 1:16am
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I'm definately certain that there is not a single blonde hair anywhere on that heavily photoshopped image of Beorn...it's definately just lighting. I think that earlier in the thread you mentioned that the image is backlit, so the top of his shaggy head wouldn't by highlighted in that way, but I just put that down to the photoshop job. This whole scroll is a series of composite images, and I'd say that the image of Gandalf, Beorn and the eagles is no different. Chances are that Beorn in bear form, lighting and all, was superimposed onto this image along with the other components. Persbrandt's Beorn may very well be blonde, but IMHO there's nothing in the image that supports that theory unequivocally. In any case, wouldn't a predominately dark-furred bear look a bit strange with a mop of blonde hair on on top?
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redgiraffe
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Jul 11 2012, 1:19am
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The funny thing is that when they had cast Mikael Persbrandt I actually envisioned Beorn as being a more blond haired fellow. I don't know why. Shelob, you are always good with the historical references with Tolkien's work. Do you by any chance know exactly what "ethnicity" Beorn was kind of based off of? Like the Dwarves are Norse influenced if I'm not mistaken and Rohirrim were Anglo-Saxon/Viking/Danes influenced (actually if you could tell me what exactly the rohirrim were influenced by that would be great because I hear all sorts of answers). I heard that Beorn is supposed to be Scandanavian influence so how does that work out with the blong hair?
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artemy
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Jul 11 2012, 1:24am
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Forgive me as I know I'm not Shelob
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but Beorn's name was taken from Björn, which means "bear" in Icelandic, Swedish, Norwegian and Danish. I also know that in the Norse mythos the berserkers (to which Beorn is comparable) could sometimes take the form of bears, or at least wore bear skins in battle. And traditionally Scandinavians are associated with blond hair and blue eyes
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ElendilTheShort
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Jul 11 2012, 1:31am
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I wanted to see at least a part of a spider
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such as a leg or one curled up like Shelob in ROTK, or even part of a head and eyes poking around a tree trunk but no such luck. Wasn't Beorn noted as having black hair on his limbs and head....just asking casue I don't have the books with me. In the scroll Beorn T. Bear looks like he has blonde side burns. Noticed a couple of inconsitencies if you will, regarding the book in the first shot. Any one else see them. Not complaining mind you as this scroll is O for awesome.
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dave_lf
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Jul 11 2012, 1:40am
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Yes. "He is a skin-changer. He changes his skin; sometimes he is a huge black bear, sometimes he is a great strong black-haired man with huge arms and a great beard."
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 11 2012, 2:24am
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The word itself, in Old English, definitely meant "man" or "warrior." However, there are some who theorize that in early Old English (or Anglo-Saxon) the word meant "bear" as does "Bjorn" in Old Norse. Skin-changers, including those that transform from bear to human, appeared occasionally in Scandinavian myth. Norse bersekers, who sometimes wore bearskins, were sometimes identified as skin-changers. That's about all I know.
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Jul 11 2012, 4:07am
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Wouldn't want to give *everything* away all at once, now would we? That might be the studio plan. And that's the way I like it. I'd rather walk in and discover Radagast, Thranduil, The Master et al on the big screen. At some point I will have to learn to block spoilers. Let's see what Comic-Con reveals. All aside, the storybook looks *fantastic*. beautiful and epic. I've read TH many time the past 3 yrs and sorted out both my intitial "book-vision" of M-e with the Peter's version, ie the look of it. And curious to say, so far the film Hobbit is unexpectedly shaping up to be as epic as its predecessor. that bridge for example. Just as I pictured the doors of Moria being much larger thanthey are in FOTR, just so I picutured the Bridge being much smaller. Note to the marketing team: can I have this "storybook" as a 2012-2013 calendar please??! I might like it even better than one with film images!
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AinurOlorin
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Jul 11 2012, 5:08am
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Wonderfully stated my friend. (All Wargs are Wolves) but all Wolves are not Wargs. "Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!" "Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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Jul 11 2012, 7:40am
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I'm silently scouring the images for flying moths as well...
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... however, I feel if they're included at all, they'll be held back as a surprise for the LOTR fans. I remember how my heart skipped a beat when I saw the moth flutter before Gandalf at the Black Gate. I literally gasped "Eagles" (I hadn't read the book yet so I had no idea what was going to happen!), and sure enough, the next scene showed the Eagles all majestically flying down to the battle
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ShireHorse
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Jul 11 2012, 12:16pm
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I expect, redgiraffe, that Shelob can add a bit more
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to my response about the nature of the Rohirrim. I was studying both Anglo-Saxon and Old Norse when I first picked up LotR and I was blown away by the Anglo-Saxon nature of the Rohirrim and Tolkien's interpretation of these people. A few clues: words like Rohirrim and Eorlingas are A-S plurals. Many of the names are A-S in origin. When Theoden is called "Theoden king", this reversal of word order is AS - it would have been "Theoden cyning". Their language is an interpretation of A-S. Their poetry is set out in an identical way with the heavy use of alliteration. The thoughts involving the passing of all things can be found in similar A-S poems. Their behaviour in battles is A-S as when Eomer becomes strange and fey and plunges back into the battle when he thinks Eowyn is dead. I think that Tolkien was trying to show different "aspects" of the origins of the English: the Elves have a Welsh slant like the Ancient Britons/Celts who lived in England before being driven "into the West". The men of Gondor in their nature and their architecture seem like the Romans who invaded the country. The dwarves are like the Norsemen who settled in the north-east of England. The Rohirrim are the Anglo-Saxons who took over much of England. The hobbits are pre Industrial Revolution country people. I could go on. But this is just my opinion - I've read no scholarly books. The only way in which they are not typical Anglo Saxons is in their use of horses. The Anglo Saxons were not "horse lords."
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Jul 11 2012, 12:24pm
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Tokien's specialty was the Mercian dialect of Old English, which is what the Rohirrim speak. In addition, the names of several kings of Rohan are the names of actual kings of Mercia. Further, the word "Mercia" comes from the fact that the area was referred to as "the march(es)" ("mearc", pronounced approx "mark"). Except for the horse thing you mention, Rohan is Mercia.
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Jul 11 2012, 12:56pm
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Beorn has to be extraordinary to even slightly larger than normal bear
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Beorn is the deciding factor and a force unto himself in a battle where the Elven host of Thranduil, Dain's Dwarves, Thorin & Co., The Great Eagles, Gandalf, and the Men of Laketown were losing to the Goblin horde of the Misty Mountains until his arrival. It was his arrival and his assault that turned tide. He was such a frightening factor, it was destruction of Bolg and his bodyguard that caused dismay to fall on the Goblins. According to the book 3/4 of the whole of the Goblins in the Misty Mountains perished in that battle. It would take something spectacular to creates such dismay on a horde of that size. I just don't see a normal size or slightly larger than normal size bear pulling that off. "In that last hour, Beorn himself had appeared — no one knew how or from where. He came alone, and in bear’s shape; and he seemed to have grown almost to giant-size in his wrath. The roar of his voice was like drums and guns; and he tossed wolves and goblins from his path like straws and feathers. He fell upon their rear, and broke like a clap of thunder through the ring. The dwarves were making a stand still about their lords upon a rounded hill. Then Beorn stopped and lifted Thorin, who had fallen pierced with spears, and bore him out of the fray. Swiftly he returned and his wrath was redoubled, so that nothing could withstand him, and no weapon seemed to bite upon him. He scattered the bodyguard, and pulled down Bolg himself and crushed him. Then dismay fell on the Goblins and they fled in all directions."
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dave_lf
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Jul 11 2012, 1:03pm
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I never got the impression that Beorn (man or bear) was supposed to be abnormally large. Big sure, but within the normal range of variation for each species. He seemed to have grown almost to giant-size. "Seemed to" means he didn't really, "grown" implies he was smaller before, and "almost to giant-size" means he still doesn't even seem that big. :)
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BeornBerserker
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Jul 11 2012, 1:18pm
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Well, if Bilbo who was 3'6" could trot between his legs and not duck for a tunic that came to his knees, that would make him at least a 10 footer. 3 meters(9 feet 9 inches) was used in an article from last year about Persbrandt and based on the scaling of the photos of Beorn's house, his statuette, and his chair from the Production VBlog that all seems to jibe so we can assume PJ is taking his description pretty literally from the book. Most of the artistic interpretations over the years in the various illustrated versions of the Hobbit tend to depict him enormously. As far as the BoFA, his arrival broke the back of the horde of all the Goblins of the Misty Mountains that were prevailing up to that point. I just don't see a "grizzly bear" doing that. I think the following illustrations should and I hope were a guide post. http://www-images.theonering.org/torwp/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/beorn.jpg http://tolkiengateway.net/w/images/thumb/2/23/Matt_Stewart_-_The_Battle_Under_the_Mountain.jpg/397px-Matt_Stewart_-_The_Battle_Under_the_Mountain.jpg
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dave_lf
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Jul 11 2012, 1:29pm
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The goblin host is also dismayed by the sudden appearance of Thorin and his 12 companions. Tolkien's world is one in which individual heroes can hold their own against entire hosts of extras. It's like he anticipated the movie and videogame industries by a couple decades. :) You have a point with the tunic thing, though.
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BeornBerserker
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Jul 11 2012, 2:03pm
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Thorin & co. attack was quick and crumbled when he reached Bolg's bodyguard
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Thorin's charge while heroic was a momentary event in the battle that soon turned badly against him. His presence and he and his company outfitted in the best arms and armor of all of Erebor certainly created a fierce charge and heroic but short lived. Beorn's assault was so fierce he scattered the Goblin army. I concede how subjective the imagery that the description of that battle can create and I am sure there are 1000 visual interpretations one could create.
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imin
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Jul 11 2012, 2:39pm
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Large Kodiak bear is 10 ft tall
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That is considered a large size (height) for a male. The largest ever Grizzly bear was 14ft tall - to the top of its head when on two legs and was 1600lbs! It was 6ft tall when on all fours - that for me would mean its looking me dead in the eye when its walking around on all four legs! I wouldnt even come up to half way its body when on hind legs, this is an incredible size if you ask me. There are photos of this giant bear but i wont link them because it was hunted and they are not pretty, but there if people want to see and the photos are incredible. Goblins were meant to be shorter than men, so this is getting on for 3 times the size and many many times their weight, im guessing 10 times their weight (each being around 160lbs). I dont see it as a big deal if they made Beorn in bear form to be 15-20ft but any more than that would be getting a little much and i would prefer the 15ft mark which is a giant of a bear.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 11 2012, 5:08pm
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With a dash of Goths of the plains... Essentially, they were what Mercians might have been like if they didn't live in England... That's why I always thought of Rohan as being a loose analog of the Central-Eastern European plain.
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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Jul 11 2012, 6:05pm
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In addition to what others have already posted ---
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Tolkien stated in a letter that:
The hobbit's (Bilbo's) journey from Rivendell to the other side of the Misty Mountains, including the glissade down the slithering stones into the pine woods, is based on my adventures in 1911* and there are other signs in his works of the influence that 1911 trip to Switzerland had on him. He crossed the Bernese Alps into Canton Valais, so even something as simple as the mascot/symbol of Canton Bern might be a connection as well. Traditional lore:
...The people maintain that Bern is derived from Bear, and in proof of their assertion they will take you to see an old weather-beaten stone which is built into one of the bridges, and bears the following enigmatical inscription:-- ERST BAER HIE FAM.
This stone is said to have stood on the spot where the bear, from which the town took its name, was captured. The story is told by the good old Conrad Justinger, who was recorder of Bern till the end of the fourteenth century, and was commissioned by the town-council to write a chronicle of the past history of Bern and the most remarkable facts relating to the town. In his simple yet stately way he writes as follows:--"How the town was called Bern! There were a great many wild animals in the oak forest, and Duke Berchtold and his councillors determined that the town should be called after the first animal that was caught there; and the first that was caught happened to be a bear, so the town was called Bern; and he gave the burghers a shield and armorial bearings, namely, a black bear on a white field." Canton Bern is the "Rivendell" side of the Bernese Alps, so Beorn's home would be on the Canton Valais side and across the river Rhone, but he "came from the mountains". And it may not be a carrock, but that bear stone does happen to be on a span crossing the water. There is also some Swedish blood in the section of Canton Bern that seems to have influenced him most, so who knows? Personally, I think he had multiple influences for many things in his stories rather than a single source per item, and it's fun to speculate!
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HoboVagabond
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Jul 11 2012, 7:35pm
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What I think Beorn is saying to Gandalf...
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"Only you can prevent forest fires!" :-)
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 11 2012, 9:11pm
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Viewers get desensitized to impossibly massive CGI creatures on screen. I think if you create a bear that is in the realm of possibility, but still very big compared to most bears, you might have a more solid and believable character. I think Beorn should be huge, but not three-story building huge.
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BeornBerserker
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Jul 11 2012, 9:24pm
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Of all the art, I think this is the one that represents the scale I would like to see and how I think he fits into the narrative of the BoFA. http://tolkiengateway.net/w/images/thumb/2/23/Matt_Stewart_-_The_Battle_Under_the_Mountain.jpg/397px-Matt_Stewart_-_The_Battle_Under_the_Mountain.jpg
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imin
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Jul 11 2012, 9:28pm
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Really captures the ferocity and intensity of the battle i think. Though its hard to tell how big Beorn is in it as he looks to be on higher ground. I would guess about 30-40ft tall on back legs in that photo. For me that is over sized but not by much, if he was just a bit smaller i would be happier but its nit picking, lol.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 11 2012, 9:35pm
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I am primarily concerned about the "green scrubbing bubbles" effect. If Beorn is absolutely massive, then it will seriously reduce tension on the battlefield, just as the Army of the Dead did on the Pelennor. If he is so massive as to seem invincible, the battle will lose its dramatic punch, and audience's will get that familiar feeling of "Oh yes, this is the bit when the invincible CGI character wins the battle, thus rendering all of the previous fighting irrelevant."
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Yngwulff
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Jul 11 2012, 9:41pm
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Beorn swelled to even bigger size in his wrath and hit the orcs from behind thus saving the day (plus the eagles).
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BeornBerserker
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Jul 11 2012, 9:44pm
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He may seem invincible but according to the narrative he was. Nothing could withstand him, no weapon could bite upon him. His role in that battle was the darkest hour dues ex machina device. He doesn't arrive until all seems lost.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 11 2012, 9:51pm
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But that doesn't mean it will work well on film. If I were PJ, I would make Beorn a little more vulnerable, though still horrifyingly destructive. Sort of like the cave troll in the FOTR movie. Another problem, IMO, is that we have been fed such a non-stop diet of rampaging massive CGI creatures, that we no longer find them very impressive. At least, I don't.
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imin
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Jul 11 2012, 10:07pm
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I agree with what you are saying
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But i think with PJ bigger is better so i think Beorn is going to be unbelievably big, too big like the oliphaunts were. If anyone bothers to look for the photos of the massive bear, then they will realise just how big it is and that by increasing it another 5ft would make it seem enormous without being stupidly big. At least thats my opinion. When i make TH i will make the beorn i want, haha.
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Jul 11 2012, 10:13pm
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remember the story about the weapon the WitchKing used against Eowyn?
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PJ kept asking for bigger... bigger... bigger... until it was so big, Lawrence Makoare (a massive man) couldn't lift it any more. A crew member had to lay on the ground and help lift it up for the shot. He reminds me of my inlaws who built everything at least 1 and a half times the size most people would. Bird houses... picnic tables.. and the 150 lb, 17 foot kayak made out of three-quarter inch exterior plywood sitting in our backyard. It's for sale, btw.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 11 2012, 10:16pm
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I fully expect PJ to amp Beorn up to the size of King Kong. This image on the EW scroll is either just the result of loose photo-shopping, or represents Beorn in his early stage of transformation.
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redgiraffe
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Jul 11 2012, 11:13pm
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LOL, I hope you are joking about the King Kong size
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"If I were PJ, I would make Beorn a little more vulnerable, though still horrifyingly destructive." That's why I like him at the size he's at. If he's much much bigger he would just come off as an invincible creature which, to me, wouldn't add much tension to him being in the battle. But like you said, it would REALLY work to have him vulnerable but very horrifyingly destructive.
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redgiraffe
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Jul 11 2012, 11:24pm
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I love the insight you have given me. I REALLY want to learn pretty much everything about the histories of Norse/Viking/Celtic/Anglo-Saxon/Danish/etc. Unfortunately I never have the time. But the stuff is so interesting. And I guess it's interesting to me because that's where all of my ancestor's came from.
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redgiraffe
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Jul 11 2012, 11:34pm
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Thanks Dave_if, Shirehorse, and SA
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I do have one question though. Why is it that when people talk about the influences of the Rohirrim, they often mention other cultures like the vikings, scandanavians and such? Much sister theorized that Rohan took elements from many "similar" areas. She pointed out that people often reference Beowulf as the major influence of Rohan. She said that although it was Anglo-Saxon literature it was actually based on the Danes. So perhaps that's part of the reasoning behind her theory of a mixing of cultures. I'm pretty sure PJ mixed in a few different cultures that were "closely" related to A-S. Wasn't there a lot of Celtic knot-work on Meduseld? I'm sorry for getting off topic but I just really like this discussion.
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redgiraffe
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Jul 11 2012, 11:37pm
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I guess it would help if I told you guys that I really have no idea what the differences are between all of those cultures.
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Carne
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Jul 11 2012, 11:38pm
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Howard Shore used Norwegian "Hardingfeler (hardanger fiddles)" for the Rohan theme.
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artemy
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Jul 12 2012, 12:07am
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Richard Taylor said the impression he got of the Rohirrim was "vikings of the plains", with horses instead of ships. In particular I recall them drawing comparisons between Meduseld and Heorot, the drinking hall from Beowulf. Thus in the films they took a lot of influence from viking and saxon culture when designing the hall, as well as armour, weapons, and so forth. Also Carne, the Rohan theme is one of my favourite pieces from the whole soundtrack, it's simply stunning~
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droidsocket
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Jul 12 2012, 1:17am
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But i am ok with him growing even larger for the battle. This is my all time favorite art work of the Bofa: http://www.kucg.net/uploadfile/huihua/yh/2011082208/1312575476832.jpg And considering he is surrounded by 4 foot dwarves and 5 foot Orcs I think he is a good size.
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BeornBerserker
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Jul 12 2012, 1:19am
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I don't know how well it will work on film but his arrival will be well into the battle. It won't come until all armies clash in full out battle, Thorin & co. make their mighty charge and the Great Eagles join the battle. Beorn comes in the last hour. The Cave Troll in FotR was terrifying but it wasn't a game changer in a battle of thousands and either they keep that role as he played in the battle or they don't. I know you have been a critic of PJ deviating from Tolkien's humor, dialog, and narrative in LotR, why would you want that with Beorn here? He is one of Tolkien's great mysteries. Why diminish him?
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Zubeneschamali
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Jul 12 2012, 8:29am
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Jackson's Kong was rather small.
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PJs Kong was only 25 feet tall, about the same size as Kong was in most shots the original, but for some scenes, the original Kong was 40 or 50 feet tall. The 1976 Kong was 40-60 feet tall. Arguably, Aragorn should have been eight feet tall in LotR, but PJ didn't go there, and Elrond and especially Galadriel were a bit runty looking, too. So he's not just for bigger is better.
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Jul 12 2012, 10:29am
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Well in an EMPIRE Article last year it mentioned they are deisgning a new 'grand' entrance to Rivendell...
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...It could be the bridge over rivendell taken out of context, we aren't likely to get the tra-la-la elves but the party crossing over the bridge into Rivendell would be a nice nod, and to me it looks like it coudl belnd int with Rivendell or perhpas be a bridge they added into the Misty Mountians segement...
‘As they came to the gates Cirdan the Shipwright came forth to greet them. Very tall he was, and his beard was long, and we was grey and old, save that his eyes were keen as stars; and he looked at them and bowed, and said ‘All is now ready.’
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dave_lf
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Jul 12 2012, 1:04pm
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The Anglo-Saxon and Norse languages and culture have a fairly recent common ancestor in Old German. In addition, there was a tremendous amount of contact between the two during the period when Beowulf was written, which further increased the overlap. Beowulf was written by a Christian Anglo-Saxon, but the characters are all Danes, and the thing is rife with pagan influence. It seems to be a Christian, Anglo take on what was at the time a well-known pagan, Norse legend. Long and short is that dark-age Anglo-Saxon and Norse cultures were very similar, to the point that the distinction almost doesn't matter to the typical modern layman (though it certainly does to linguists and historians). The Rohirrim are clearly meant to be Anglo-Saxons rather than Norse, but the Norse are better-known, so that's what the average person thinks of when he sees them (and writes in his review).
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Jul 12 2012, 1:33pm
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Del Toro mentioned changing th Wargs
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I went to a Q&A a few years ago and even then, Del Toro said that one of the major design changes he wanted to make was that he wanted the Wargs to look like classic northern wolves from fables. I actually really like the Hyena-Warg design that Weta made, emphasizing that "this is some sort of cousin to the modern wolf, but within the wolf family" -- much as Oliphaunts are different from regular Elephants -- but I still missed having classic wolf designs. But hey, there's nothing saying that there can't just be different "breeds" of Wargs.
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Jul 12 2012, 4:20pm
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Good point, could well be a new entrance. Not sure how it could fit in the valley though.
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ShireHorse
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Jul 12 2012, 5:24pm
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that the Anglo-Saxons and the Vikings and many other Scandinavian/Germanic people were culturally very close at the time. The Saxons in England, before they became Christians, believed in the Norse gods like Thor and Odin/Woden. Hence, our names for the days of the week: Wodensday, Thorsday, Freyasday etc. They dressed and did their hair in similar ways and had similar ways of fighting. The Vikings are called "Danes" by the Anglo-Saxons although they didn't all come from Denmark. To go "a-viking" (raiding) is what they did not who they were. The Normans who conquered England and came over from what is now France, were also Viking in origin or "Norsemen/Men of the North". They just got everywhere, LOL! But, as Dave says, people recognise the Vikings and when they see a similar cultural group, they assume they are Norsemen. Simlarly, redgiraffe, you talk about Celtic knotwork. But Anglo-Saxon designs were very similar too and the word "Celtic" is a recent invention by people with a romantic attitude towards history. This is a very, very interesting period in history. The popular novelist, Bernard Cornwell, has written a very enjoyable series of books about 9th C England when the Vikings invaded Anglo-Saxon England. His history is spot on, his hero, Uhtred, will remind you of Thorin and a final connection is that Richard Armitage has done a superb reading of one of the books, Lords of the North http://www.amazon.co.uk/...342113494&sr=8-7 and http://www.richardarmitageonline.com/...th-introduction.html An easy and exciting way to get your history!
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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Jul 12 2012, 8:34pm
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isn't exclusively a British Isles area Celtic artform. There are a good many items of a more Germanic style which have been found in England. Norse zoomorphic designs don't always stand out much from the common Germanic group style. Interlacing is found in even more far-flung regions, but we're mainly interested in the Anglo-Saxon and Hiberno-Saxon tradition that merges into Celtic Art. So, yes, it does all go together.
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Jul 14 2012, 9:07am
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I'm glad there are others who are more knowledgeable about this subject than I am, and that seem to have a great amount of enthusiasm for the culture. This has been one area of history where I have never had a chance to learn about yet it is probably one of the most interesting to me, especially since there are so many connections to Tolkien and other great fantasy stories.
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