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Analysing Billy Connolly's Dain Ironfoot
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Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Jun 20 2012, 3:02pm

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well there is that -possible- photo shown in the trailer... could be Gimli??... though this has already been discussed and we concluded that it's most likely of Hobbit origin di we not? // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jun 20 2012, 3:10pm

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Gimli M.D. gets in trouble [In reply to] Can't Post

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DanielLB
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Jun 20 2012, 3:15pm

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It never looked like Gimli/JRD to me / [In reply to] Can't Post

 


imin
Valinor


Jun 20 2012, 3:31pm

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hoping against the 'funny' one liners of gimli [In reply to] Can't Post

Gimli is a favourite character of mine and i think they kinda ruined him for me in LOTR. I understand there had to be comic relief but to me that is all Gimli became along with Merry and Pippin but even they grew up a bit along the way.

I think there are already other dwarves in TH who are going to be the funny ones so i dont think we need Gloin's character to be sacrificed to comic relief as well otherwise they might all end up just being comic relief, lol.

As for how they look i think there are some similarities such as the hair colour and Gloin being one of the more conservative/better designs of dwarf but like daniellb i dont think there is too much similar about them.


DanielLB
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Jun 20 2012, 3:36pm

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Yes, they didn't do Gimli justice [In reply to] Can't Post

Perhaps they can redeem themselves with Gloin


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jun 20 2012, 3:37pm

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Amen [In reply to] Can't Post

We are going to be with these dwarves for about six hours of film, and I hope they aren't a constant and unrelenting source of unfunny one-liners.

I hope they make them humorous in a natural way. You know, the way people can be funny on road trips.


Yngwulff
Gondor


Jun 20 2012, 4:50pm

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A series of one liners would be a shame [In reply to] Can't Post

I get the feeling Bombur will be the butt of many a joke and one liners.

I hope I'm wrong, but fear the worst.


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Sinister71
Tol Eressea


Jun 20 2012, 5:38pm

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More dwarf tossing jokes [In reply to] Can't Post

or beard pulling Crazy ohh please I hope not Angelic


DanielLB
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Jun 20 2012, 6:00pm

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No, none of them [In reply to] Can't Post

But I hope they make it believable enough they are Father and Son - mannerisms as in actions/walking/thoughts rather than jokes and puns.


Sinister71
Tol Eressea


Jun 20 2012, 7:00pm

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Me either [In reply to] Can't Post

I would rather see a somewhat serious portrayal of the dwarfs although I'm sure they will ring every last fat joke out of poor old Bombur Angelic


DanielLB
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Jun 20 2012, 8:52pm

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More from Connolly - may be worth a new thread? [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/...mp;objectid=10814478


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"I hate them all. Kill them all. Especially elves," he says.



Looks like there will be elf-dwarf slaughter...


(This post was edited by Ataahua on Jun 20 2012, 9:47pm)


Carne
Tol Eressea

Jun 20 2012, 8:57pm

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Possibly all this killing happens due to some disagreement gone a bit too far? [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't think we'll just see Dain kill elves for no reason.


(This post was edited by Carne on Jun 20 2012, 8:58pm)


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jun 20 2012, 9:01pm

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Billy never says he kills any elves [In reply to] Can't Post

Just that his character Dain is up for killing them all.

I wouldn't read anything into this one. Unlike the other comments, where he mentioned very specific physical attributes of his character (and his mount) this is him just expounding on the subtleties of his character.

My guess is that he arrives ready and chomping at the bit to take home some elf scalps, and then the Orcs show up.


DanielLB
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Jun 20 2012, 9:03pm

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I've always liked the idea [In reply to] Can't Post

of elves/men/dwarves killing elves/men/dwarves because they disagree with the sudden "union". After all, many of them marched to war with intent to kill dwarves (and vice versa). Makes sense, for cinematic reasons, to show this.


DanielLB
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Jun 20 2012, 9:05pm

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Well of course Billy wouldn't kill any elves! [In reply to] Can't Post

I read his comments differently. But you could be right!


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jun 20 2012, 9:13pm

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Would make little sense, however [In reply to] Can't Post

Why would these individuals disagree with the sudden union, if that union is precipitated by an unexpected attack from a more hated (and common) enemy, the orcs? It is quite normal human behavior to band together against a shared existential threat (basic alliance theory) and it would take a rather convoluted explanation to have some of the members of the groups violently disagree with the decision to focus on the orcs...

Would be a strange and unnecessary change, IMO, and would likely be confusing to audiences.

Don't see it as more cinematic, either.


dave_lf
Gondor

Jun 20 2012, 10:10pm

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It's canon [In reply to] Can't Post

In the book, the dwarves do actually launch an attack on the elves+men just before news of the goblins arrives and puts a stop to it. So Dain can kill him a couple of elves without any invention from the scriptwriters.


Yngwulff
Gondor


Jun 20 2012, 10:11pm

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Orcs [In reply to] Can't Post

Everybody hates Orcs LOL!!!


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BeornBerserker
Lorien

Jun 20 2012, 11:34pm

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And nasty hobbitses! Sorry got into the moment. [In reply to] Can't Post

Smile


Sinister71
Tol Eressea


Jun 20 2012, 11:34pm

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I always seen it as [In reply to] Can't Post

Gandalf arrives just in time to stop any fighting that would have occurred between the 3 armies... At least thats my understanding of it. I think Dain is under the assumption that he is going to be killing elves when he begins his journey to help Thorin and company but when it really actually hits the fan before the BO5A, then he understands that he wont be fighting elves and will have to split a few orc/goblin skulls instead Wink

I don't think Jackson makes the best choices when it comes to his scripts but I don't think he would actually have the 3 armies fighting each other at all in the film(s)


(This post was edited by sinister71 on Jun 20 2012, 11:36pm)


DarkJackal
Rohan


Jun 21 2012, 12:05am

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Much as I want to see a bloody fight [In reply to] Can't Post

I can't quite agree that Dain's army killing a bunch of elves is canon. It says arrows were shot, yes, but that could have been just gauging the range. Never actually says anyone got hit. A possibility, but not a certainty.

This does not mean I think the movie need follow the book in all ways. Not remotely, especially when it comes to Bo5A. So, give me a Dain smeared with elf blood, or elves with dwarves at the point of their "skinny swords" and I'll be happy enough.


(This post was edited by DarkJackal on Jun 21 2012, 12:07am)


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Jun 21 2012, 12:35am

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That better be it [In reply to] Can't Post

I would be extremely disappointed to the point of probably avoiding the films altogether if it became clear that the Dwarves and Elves are actually killing each other. As you say, it would make no sense at all.

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Jun 21 2012, 5:42am

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I think they need to follow Tolkien's lead [In reply to] Can't Post

He made the hilarious! But not in a stupid, one liner type way. They were funny in the natural way you speak of. Sometimes grumpy, sometimes grousy, sometimes jovial, sometimes a little fretful etc. etc.: Gloin voicing his doubts about Bilbo, for example, Bombur never missing a meal, or all the dwarves being terribly anxious about Gandalf leaving them without his guidance and power on the threshold of Mirkwood, but trying to cover their worries by being especially crabby towards him at their parting. lol.

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We are going to be with these dwarves for about six hours of film, and I hope they aren't a constant and unrelenting source of unfunny one-liners.

I hope they make them humorous in a natural way. You know, the way people can be funny on road trips.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jun 21 2012, 5:45am

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Exactly [In reply to] Can't Post

Tolkien actually had a very good sense of humor, and I think PJ could learn a thing or two from it...

BTW, has anyone heard anything else about this alleged "food fight" that seems to be happening in the Rivendell scenes from the trailer?


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Jun 21 2012, 5:46am

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But you are calculating without the Wizard, [In reply to] Can't Post

which it is never wise to do. lol. Gandalf knows the goblins are coming by the time the other armies take the field. And he has a knack for knowing how to get people's attention (and get them in line) when he really needs to. Wink

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of elves/men/dwarves killing elves/men/dwarves because they disagree with the sudden "union". After all, many of them marched to war with intent to kill dwarves (and vice versa). Makes sense, for cinematic reasons, to show this.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

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