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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jun 18 2012, 9:01pm

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I think that's reasonable [In reply to] Can't Post

Though riding in on a boar would likely do the trick.

It just sounds like a pile-on of outlandish characteristics. This leads to caricature and cartoon, IMO.

I want a lighthearted Hobbit, but not one that is cartoonish in the modern sense.

We shall see...


BeornBerserker
Lorien

Jun 18 2012, 9:08pm

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Humor evolves [In reply to] Can't Post

Humor is such an ever changing sentiment based on social,religious, economical, geo-political, and technological changes of the day to name a few. Some of the slapstick things would be as funny today as they were in the fifties to be sure. I hope the movies keep those parts.

My dad brought up Red Skelton and his old Freddie the free loader skit when talking with a 25 year old sister living at home with my parents. That skit was funny in its day but my sister didn't find it so funny and maybe in today's economic climate many wouldn't think it funny since many kids are living at home to a much later age.


(This post was edited by BeornBerserker on Jun 18 2012, 9:14pm)


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Jun 18 2012, 9:08pm

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Thanks for the advice [In reply to] Can't Post

I definitely wouldn't want to give an impression of not being relaxed.

That said I disagree. I haven't claimed any certainty, other than, by implication, that donnish humour may not appeal to everyone. I do have data to back that up as I know several people to whom it does not.

I would contrast that starkly with your statement that people did not go to see LOTR for the humour, which seems to be either speculation or projection.

LR


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jun 18 2012, 9:08pm

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Also [In reply to] Can't Post

It is quite reasonable to assume that the reason people flocked to LOTR had little to do with the humor...numerous reviews and conversations with people have failed to turn up the opinion "I like LOTR primarily because of the humor..."

That is what I said. I did not claim that no one liked it. Simply that it was probably not at the top of people's list of the film's virtues.

Spectacle, huge battles, heroism, ripping good yarn, frightening creatures, familiar archetypes, little guy overcoming big odds, hunky guys, moving depictions of loyalty and friendship, read the books.

Those are likely more common reasons for liking The LOTR films than 'PJs great sense of humor.'

Why don't you craft a survey, and find out?


(This post was edited by Shelob'sAppetite on Jun 18 2012, 9:09pm)


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jun 18 2012, 9:13pm

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Of course it's speculation [In reply to] Can't Post

But as I've said, it is very reasonable speculation.

Have you seen anyone, either critics or film goers, state that the reason they watched and rewatched LOTR is because of the humor?

Can we not even make reasonable guesses here without constantly stating IMO (which incidentally, I do quite often).

I don't like PJs humor, and I think it likely that the humor in his films is not at at the top of most people's 'reasons I love the LOTR films' list.

Is that better?


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Jun 18 2012, 9:13pm

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Ah i have misinterpreted your comment. [In reply to] Can't Post

I now see that your comment clearly meant that although humour may be amongst the many virtues of LOTR it may not be at the top of people's lists.

How silly of me to have read it otherwise.

LR


geordie
Tol Eressea

Jun 18 2012, 9:16pm

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Be careful what you wish for...// [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jun 18 2012, 9:30pm

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My words [In reply to] Can't Post

"If there's one thing people didn't go watch LOTR for, it's PJs sense of humor."

Does that imply that not one person found his humor passable? Of course not.

It means, as it states, that it wasn't the reason people went to see it for.

Do you have any experience with anyone saying: I'm going to see LOTR because I heard it was funny?

If so, do share! Smile


(This post was edited by Shelob'sAppetite on Jun 18 2012, 9:38pm)


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jun 18 2012, 9:33pm

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A fine display of sarcasm there [In reply to] Can't Post

An elevated sense of humor, to be sure. Perhaps PJ could learn a thing or two from you? Wink


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Jun 18 2012, 9:54pm

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Possibly, possibly [In reply to] Can't Post

And don't it just go to show that one man's meat is another man's poison when it comes to what's funny.

LR


Kangi Ska
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Jun 18 2012, 10:14pm

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Everyone has their rights to their own opinions. [In reply to] Can't Post

"Is it okay for me to hold this opinion, or have I violated some unwritten rule?"

I just think it would be good to loosen up a bit. Some fine New Zealand wine might be just the thing.

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painjoiker
Grey Havens


Jun 18 2012, 10:19pm

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Do you know why I think I will love these movies? [In reply to] Can't Post

Because I am looking forward to another PETER JACKSON fantasy movie!
I am not expecting a 100% faithful adaption :)

We have the book, the film should be a different view on this IMO^^

Peter made good movies out of LotR (especially the two first) even though you like the changes or not, the movies themselves are very tastefully done!
I expect the same from The Hobbit, and so far it seems like I'm getting what I'm expecting :)

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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jun 18 2012, 10:20pm

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Oh, I loosen up [In reply to] Can't Post

When I find something funny.

Axes in heads are generally not a great recipe for loosening people up, though, wouldn't you say? Unless you mean in the physical sense. Wink

However, I must admit that I find farting funny. Not sure what it is, but a well-timed fart always makes me laugh.

That being said, all the farts in PJ's LOTR were very ill-timed. Smile


(This post was edited by Shelob'sAppetite on Jun 18 2012, 10:24pm)


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jun 18 2012, 10:23pm

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I also don't want a 100% faithful adaptation (whatever that is) [In reply to] Can't Post

I wonder, did someone in this thread ask for a 100% faithful adaptation?

Unfortunately, I don't think the LOTR films were very tastefully done...

At times, beautiful, but overall, quite bad.

IMO.


redgiraffe
Rohan

Jun 18 2012, 10:39pm

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expectations is a big factor in how one will enjoy a movie [In reply to] Can't Post

I had high expectations for Prometheus and while I thought it was awesome the first time I still felt disappointed by it. But I watched it a few more times and was able to appreciate it much more. The EXACT same thing happened with The Dark Knight... and even Return of the King (although, now, I enjoy ROTK much more than I thought I ever could).

I think the problem is that when we start building our own expectations from the hype of a film we form our own imagination of what is going to happen and we expect it to be completely perfect. That's a little unfair in my opinion.

It's such a hard thing to lower expectations and let go of the "control" feeling that you have when watching a movie that you want to be done a certain way. It was difficult to do that when seeing ROTK after having read the books and knowing everything that happens. It's probably even more difficult today with the information age.

But that's why I refuse to read The Hobbit again until after I see the movies. I saw FOTR just before I read the books and ended up loving it without having that feeling of wanting to "control" how every scene was done. And while I had great expectations for it I wasn't completely wrapped up in the anticipation so I basically allowed myself to enjoy it. I intend to do the same with the hobbit.

Keeping expectations from going overboard is probably the best advice you can give to a movie goer.

-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle


redgiraffe
Rohan

Jun 18 2012, 10:41pm

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I feel the same about those two [In reply to] Can't Post

The star head is a little bit of a shocker but it looks cool when we see Nori kind of scraggly with the hair in some of the blogs. Looks like he's been through enough stuff to get his hair unkempt.

I really don't mind the axe in Bifur's head. I'm not in love with it but I don't think it's the dumbest thing ever. Just my opinion though.

-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle


redgiraffe
Rohan

Jun 18 2012, 10:46pm

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A mixture would be good [In reply to] Can't Post

I've been saying it from the beginning that they need to mix in gimli-esque AND unique dwarves. If you just go with unique looking ones, you lose the continuity of the other dwarves seen in the trilogy. If you just go with Gimli-esque dwarves then a lot of Thorin's company might seem out of place and not dwarven at all.

I think mixture would be best. I'm really hoping that's what they do.

-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle


redgiraffe
Rohan

Jun 18 2012, 10:49pm

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ahhh the good morning quote!!! [In reply to] Can't Post

I remember I loved that and couldn't stop laughing the first time I read it. Does anyone remember the exact quote?

-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle


redgiraffe
Rohan

Jun 18 2012, 10:51pm

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One question about the axe in the head... [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm just wondering, and I hope this doesn't come off as rude; and this question isn't directed at any one person.

But why are a lot of people assuming the axe in the head is an attempt at humor. It might just be something used to distinguish bifur and maybe hint that he's been in battles before or just had a working accident. While I understand that it isn't necessary I just don't feel as if it was an attempt at humor.

-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle


redgiraffe
Rohan

Jun 18 2012, 10:53pm

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Haha I liked the joke [In reply to] Can't Post

I didn't catch the 9 continents at first until Daniel mentioned it.

-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle


Sinister71
Tol Eressea


Jun 18 2012, 11:06pm

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here here I agree [In reply to] Can't Post

100% with the last few posts you have made SA


duats
Grey Havens

Jun 18 2012, 11:17pm

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Uh... [In reply to] Can't Post

"They're basically broadening me, making me wider," he explains, adding that the technology being used on the film is making for long, hard working days. "But let me say, this guy will terrify the life out of you. I have a Mohawk and tattoos on my head. You've got to see it."

Oh boy.


Sinister71
Tol Eressea


Jun 18 2012, 11:18pm

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some what agree [In reply to] Can't Post

I agree the dwarfs shouldn't look all the same but they should have dialed some of the OTT stuff back like the axe in the head, or the star head look of Nori, or Bombur just looking like Friar Tuck in a fat suit. there were plenty of ways to make the dwarfs different without going OTT and still maintaining the look from the dwarfs in FOTR, such as Gloin and Dain who were at the council of Elrond...(the 2 dwarfs with Gimli).. different costumes,weapons, and normal dwarf (also seen in FOTR) hairstyles or multiple other ways to make them look like individuals instead of 13 Gimli's on screen


BeornBerserker
Lorien

Jun 18 2012, 11:25pm

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i think [In reply to] Can't Post

I am going to wait until we see them fully girded for battle. I think when they are fully armed and armored and make their dramatic entrance into the BoFA we can see how OTT their design is. At that point if they maintain their uniqueness but take on a more uniform look of battle ready grim Dwarves maybe entering their final battle, we will have a more complete view.


Demosthenes
Sr. Staff


Jun 18 2012, 11:50pm

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warhammer needs a banhammer? [In reply to] Can't Post

That's mad!

I hope it's not that caricatured.

I expect it won't be ... a bunch of madmax-style dwarves with pink mohawks riding 500 wild boars into battle seems just to unlikely.

Also, consider that visually, Jackson and his crew are usually pretty spot on -- it's stuff like plot and dialogue that tends to get cheesy.

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