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Analysing Billy Connolly's Dain Ironfoot
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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jun 18 2012, 7:33pm

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I want an axe in my skull. [In reply to] Can't Post

It will be the rage after the Hobbit movies are released.

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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Jun 18 2012, 7:37pm

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Elrond's iPad! :P ;) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jun 18 2012, 7:38pm

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Sauron's Eyepad [In reply to] Can't Post

Baradur...

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
Life is an adventure, not a contest.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jun 18 2012, 7:42pm

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Right [In reply to] Can't Post

And jokes about the consistency of squirrell droppings and the gas-inducing properties of elvish bread are crowd pleasers across 9 continents...

If there's one thing people didn't go watch PJs LOTR for, it is his humor.

In any event, I didn't find most of TH humor to be excessively donnish. The good morning conversation is simply funny, ad some occurrences, like the dwarves tumbling into Bag End, border on the slapstick.

Not sure we need to layer PJs gross out humor (bird poop, axes embedded in heads, food fights, burping, farting) on top of that...


(This post was edited by Shelob'sAppetite on Jun 18 2012, 7:43pm)


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Jun 18 2012, 7:42pm

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Lol! Smaug's Bachelor Pad...oh wait, that's actually in the story. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jun 18 2012, 7:44pm

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So I imagine the NZ proletariat [In reply to] Can't Post

Finds characters with metal objects stuck in their heads to be the height of comedy...

I think a better way of describing it is 'unfunny.'


(This post was edited by Shelob'sAppetite on Jun 18 2012, 7:45pm)


DanielLB
Immortal


Jun 18 2012, 7:45pm

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The Necromancer's pink throne :-D / [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Jun 18 2012, 7:46pm

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Bard's pink gown! [In reply to] Can't Post

There's a reason why he seems to be a single father...Mrs. Bard could only take so much! Tongue

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


DanielLB
Immortal


Jun 18 2012, 7:47pm

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Now .... (off topic) [In reply to] Can't Post

I have a degree in Geography, but can only count 7 continents?

Tongue


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jun 18 2012, 7:48pm

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Helmets help create distinctive profiles... [In reply to] Can't Post

So, that could have been a solution...


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jun 18 2012, 7:48pm

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You hang with the wrong crowd. [In reply to] Can't Post

Many of my motorcycle enthusiast friends would find the axe in the head not only funny but desirable

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
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At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jun 18 2012, 7:51pm

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That was part of the joke [In reply to] Can't Post

Wink

Was exaggerating how wide and far PJs humor travels.

Perhaps my humor is even worse!


DanielLB
Immortal


Jun 18 2012, 7:53pm

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Ahhh ... your joke was ruined on me [In reply to] Can't Post

Was the geographer inside me coming out Wink hahaha!


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Jun 18 2012, 7:53pm

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If Billy isn't making most of this up... [In reply to] Can't Post

I agree; this does seem like someone in the production department has been playing a bit too much Warhammer. But then, maybe Billy, himself, is the Warhammer enthusiast?

"Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house." - Aragorn


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jun 18 2012, 7:55pm

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Well, that's comforting [In reply to] Can't Post

If PJ caters primarily to the motorcycle enthusiast demographic, the Hobbit films will certainly break box office records.

Wink


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Jun 18 2012, 7:58pm

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True - either could have achieved the desired effect [In reply to] Can't Post

here they've just continued the trend of Dwarves' with exaggerated physical attributes.

Perhaps they felt that "hair" would be more instantly recognizable than "helm".

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!

(This post was edited by Captain Salt on Jun 18 2012, 7:59pm)


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Jun 18 2012, 8:03pm

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Another consideration - making of the most of Dain's limited screentime [In reply to] Can't Post

In a duology of films stuffed to the brim with Dwarves, they'll have to introduce another Dwavish character (presumably) late in Film 2, and make him a unique and compelling presence - by giving him an exaggerated and highly-noticeable appearance and entrance, they'll instantly set him apart from the other Dwarves and tell you much about his character with limited dialogue and presence in the narrative.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!

(This post was edited by Captain Salt on Jun 18 2012, 8:03pm)


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Jun 18 2012, 8:08pm

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Again with the certainty. [In reply to] Can't Post

Didn't people go for that? How on earth do we know?

There are many senses of humour in the world. I like the good morning conversation but then I'm cognisant of the fact that I represent a body of one. I also like Latin epigrams but I am well aware that they may not have an entire Frankie Boyle audience rolling in the aisles.

I am a little puzzled by the statement that the good morning piece is simply funny, as to me that really begs the addendum, "to us". Similarly for what is unfunny. Surely we can't paper our taste over other people's? Or imply that our taste is better somehow?

LR


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jun 18 2012, 8:09pm

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Just because you do not share someones sense of humor [In reply to] Can't Post

does not make it bad. I hate Bevis and Buthead but many find their style humorous. I try to appreciate a broad pallet of humor. It certainly makes life more fun.

And The Hobbit will break box office records.

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
Life is an adventure, not a contest.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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(This post was edited by Kangi Ska on Jun 18 2012, 8:09pm)


DanielLB
Immortal


Jun 18 2012, 8:14pm

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Ahhh, good point [In reply to] Can't Post

I hadn't really considered this. Makes sense to have a minor but important character with a noticeable and recognisible appearance.

Unless PJ has Dain turn up early for tea and biscuits?


easterlingchief1
Rivendell


Jun 18 2012, 8:23pm

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Given how many helms have already been seen [In reply to] Can't Post

in the Trilogy, maybe they are trying to keep things fresh.

Also, aside from Gimli, and his helmet, we haven't seen too many examples of dwarf head gear outside of their hair. And none of the the main dwarves have helmets. Maybe its a rarity for them to wear anything on their heads? Just a thought.


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Jun 18 2012, 8:30pm

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I'm sure they could fit in one more at the Unexpected Party [In reply to] Can't Post

Poor Bilbo, though! Wink

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Jun 18 2012, 8:35pm

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It does seem the costumes aren't as armor-centric... [In reply to] Can't Post

However, personally agree with the traditional wisdom that we may see Dwarves in war-masks (or a reasonable facsimile thereof) - Dain's army in particular.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!

(This post was edited by Captain Salt on Jun 18 2012, 8:36pm)


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jun 18 2012, 8:48pm

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Would you relax? [In reply to] Can't Post

I am obviously stating my opinion here.

By your strange standards, your own statement suggesting that a broad global population does not appreciate donnish humor is also a statement of certainty.

Of course I know you don't have data behind that statement, but it's reasonable enough that I dont bother attacking you for expressing 'certainty.'

This is a message board, not a peer-reviewed journal.

And for the record, I have been quite excited about Billy Connoly as Dain, and am even thrilled by the rumored boar-tank.

I just think the mohawk is laying his fierceness on too thick. That is all.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jun 18 2012, 8:53pm

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Never said it was bad [In reply to] Can't Post

I called it 'puerile' earlier, and I would say it again.

Of course it is my opinion that his sense of humor was puerile. It is not fact.

I just think PJ should try to adapt Tolkien's sense of humor for the screen. And as far as I am aware, Tolkien's humor does not come from his time spent with Kiwi motorcycle enthusiasts.

It's not that biker humor can't be humorous. It's just that I don't think it fits in Middle Earth.

Is it okay for me to hold this opinion, or have I violated some unwritten rule?

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