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'There’s more than hope' - Michael Lynne comment on The Hobbit

calisuri
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Oct 10 2007, 3:25pm

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'There’s more than hope' - Michael Lynne comment on The Hobbit Can't Post

Huge news from MTV today folks concering the future of 'The Hobbit.' We don't want to steal their thunder, so check out the video and jump on over to the MTV movie blog for the encouraging details!



MTV Movie Blog

The Mysterious Calisuri



(This post was edited by calisuri on Oct 10 2007, 3:39pm)


Magpie
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Oct 10 2007, 3:35pm

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laughs out loud with delight! [In reply to] Can't Post

"There's more than hope" he says with a smile.

lovely, lovely...

interestingly, I just posted on a soundtrack forum in a discussion of the CR-ROTK soundtrack. We were musing about the pieces we want to hear and I said,

That music when Sam comes home at the end and the green door closes with "The End" - which I always read as: 'go home, people... it's over. It's all over.' and I sit slightly stunned refusing to admit it's over...
I want that music... (although I do have it pulled from the movie).

When I said, "It's all over" I meant, *ALL*. It was pretty much over.

And then I come here and open up this post first and see that Entertainment Weekly cover and think "hmm... maybe I should start collecting magazines like this in anticipation that this might be the start of it all" and then he says, "There's more than hope" with a smile.



Patty
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Oct 10 2007, 3:40pm

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Wow, thanks Calisuri! Here's another little something.... [In reply to] Can't Post

but this is only stuff we know. Interesting that it's from Tolkien's nephew....

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/tolkiens%20nephew%20praises%20progress%20in%20hobbit%20legal%20row_1046100

For Gondor!


calisuri
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Oct 10 2007, 3:46pm

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Hey, great find! [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm gonna let this MTV one run for a bit and then we'll post this story.

BTW - always feel free to email spymaster@theonering.net when you find great links that! Or if you prefer, you can email me directly at calisuri@theonering.net

Thanks!!!

The Mysterious Calisuri



Patty
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Oct 10 2007, 4:26pm

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Will do. Incidentally, I hope it's not presumptious of me to say... [In reply to] Can't Post

it's really great to have the PTB on the messageboards more often!

For Gondor!


calisuri
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Oct 10 2007, 4:41pm

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Thanks! Glad to be here! [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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deej
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Oct 10 2007, 5:03pm

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In the words of Napoleon Dynamite [In reply to] Can't Post

Yesss!

I am trying to be realistic and not get too excited until I hear "Yes, the script is done and this is when we start filming", but wow - it's getting harder to do that will all these little 'news bits' coming out weekly. Woohoo!

Sincerely, deej - The Artist Formerly Known as djdeathskiss


Patty
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Oct 10 2007, 5:19pm

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I've been seeing the idea of... [In reply to] Can't Post

Jackson being only "executive producer" (not directing) so often now I'm beginning to get the bad feeling that that's what's gong to happen and we fans are being thrown this bone to prepare us.Frown

For Gondor!


drhawks
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Oct 10 2007, 5:52pm

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hmmmm [In reply to] Can't Post

Let's bare in mind that this quote is taken completely out of context. We have no idea what was said before or after "there's more than a hope." He might have been talking about the hope that his wife made him a PB&J at home.

Still... It is rather exciting :) I want Peter at the Helm. None of this producing crap.


Lith
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Oct 10 2007, 5:54pm

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LOL! [In reply to] Can't Post

And here I thought you were talking about me with that headline! I mean, after all, Mr. Lynne and I do spell "Lynne" the same way. Wink Gave me a bit of a shock when I open TOR.n just now. hehe

Good news, of course. And not totally unexpected, but still, I breathed a little sigh of relief.


hasufel
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Oct 10 2007, 6:27pm

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:( [In reply to] Can't Post

Sadly, I agree with you.

I really want to see these projects made.

But thrown together as a money grab would be far worse than never being made at all.


luxman
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Oct 10 2007, 6:50pm

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u really think they dare? [In reply to] Can't Post

I mean, we're not talking about any film here.. PJ in the dir. chair is a must if u ask me


SandWitch King
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Oct 10 2007, 7:10pm

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Patty Patty Patty [In reply to] Can't Post

I have been telling you this for months. I wouldn't believe me either. 8)

No wonder all writers want to direct: one still has to put up with a load of nonsense, but even if wearing two hats (writer and director), there is one under which one is not called a thief and then raped - David Mamet


SandWitch King
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Oct 10 2007, 7:13pm

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Script? [In reply to] Can't Post

Nobody has even so much thought of a script.

Unless Fran/Peter/Phillipa have already written broad outlines or a treatment of some kind or unless New Line secretly had somebody get started on one (unlikely because then the director might start from scratch for more $$$) there is no such thing as a script.

Who needs a script? We have a marketing strategy!

No wonder all writers want to direct: one still has to put up with a load of nonsense, but even if wearing two hats (writer and director), there is one under which one is not called a thief and then raped - David Mamet


deej
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Oct 10 2007, 7:24pm

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no... [In reply to] Can't Post

I said that until I hear the words "there is a script", then I don't want to get too excited. And i'm sure it's going to be a while before there is one.

Sincerely, deej - The Artist Formerly Known as djdeathskiss


luxman
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Oct 10 2007, 7:32pm

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Nobody has even so much thought of a script.

Unless Fran/Peter/Phillipa have already written broad outlines

Wouldnt surprise me if have started smth already, at least tiny ideas about it..

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*//Luxman


greendragon
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Oct 10 2007, 7:36pm

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I thought it was about you, too!! [In reply to] Can't Post

I was thinking, 'Wow, Lith really does get the inside scoop, doesn't she?!' Laugh

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Elven
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Oct 10 2007, 7:42pm

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Theres got to be a draft script lying around somewhere ... :D [In reply to] Can't Post

*Looks under couch*
*Looks in freezer*
Laugh

I think caution is a great option here - Im not sure how it all goes, but with the legal dealings about and not cleared up yet, I think its difficult to say whats happening ... no need to whip out a script and then see that impacts on the legals ... though Ive not heard that a script is off limits ... that doesnt stop Phillipa and Fran though does it?


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Darkstone
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Oct 10 2007, 7:47pm

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No script? No problem!! [In reply to] Can't Post

Jack Lewis wrote the scripts for "Billy the Kid Versus Dracula" (1966) and its sequel "Jesse James Meets Frankenstein's Daughter" (also 1965) in less than two weeks! And veteran Hollywood director (over 350 movies) William "One Shot" Beaudine was able to film each one in eight days. (Slow for him. His record for shooting a film was two days.)

New Line, the studio that gave us "Freddy Versus Jason" (2003), should have absolutely no problem at all!!

BTW, Beaudine's most famous quote was "You mean someone out there is actually waiting to see this?"

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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”



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Darkstone
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Oct 10 2007, 7:52pm

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Well [In reply to] Can't Post

George Lucas was just the Executive Producer (not writer or director) of The Empire Strikes Back and it's generally considered the best of the series.

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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”



(This post was edited by Darkstone on Oct 10 2007, 7:53pm)


Rogash
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Oct 10 2007, 8:00pm

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PJ must direct the Hobbit !!!! [In reply to] Can't Post

but only Peter Jackson can direct Bilbo !!!!!


Patty
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Oct 10 2007, 8:10pm

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I know, Mr. C, but... [In reply to] Can't Post

now we are getting this news all too often.

Hey, are you psychic or something?Laugh

For Gondor!


Elven
Valinor


Oct 10 2007, 8:12pm

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Dangling carrots !! [In reply to] Can't Post

*not a bad name for a band actually Laugh*

I would like to see New Line claim it fully ... make an announcement instead of Dangling Carrots and being so precious about the Hobbit.
Its like owing a rare jewel which they keep in the safe, never wear it, never showcase it, as if its too 'precious' to bring out and show off in case something happens to it! They covert it - and just tell you about it without letting anyone see it ... what a waste, what a shame.
*rant over*

Nothng new on the news front that we havent heard ... thought this has been said and winked about with drink in hand ... is that what makes it so much more appetising as substantial news ... maybe?

Something is in the works, but its not tim for a celebration yet.

I contacted a National Radio show Movie Proram this morning asking them to start following the Hobbit Jackson New Line Story and reporting on it occassionally .... I hope they do!!


The Road Goes Ever On and On ...
Happy 70th Birthday to The Hobbit!!



Tolkien was a Capricorn!
..*sing & sway* "All we are saying ..Is Give Pete A Chance" ...
"Your friends are with you Peter"
Let the Hobbit Happen!!!


JRandomRohirrim
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Oct 10 2007, 8:16pm

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I don't see why not... [In reply to] Can't Post

They would have had time after King Kong - it shouldn't've taken three years just to adapt The Lovely Bones...

Anyone can adapt any work they want to into a script. They only need the rights to the original work to produce it as a play or a movie or a video game or whatever. I'd like to think that Fran and Phillipa have Hobbit script(s) mostly done. After all, Peter's already said there ought to be two movies, with part of the second covering "the gap" between the end of The Hobbit and the beginning of The Fellowship of the Ring. If they hadn't already been toying with adapting the Hobbit, how would they have known they had enough material for two movies?


Hey, it looks like I may be able to kill the the boycottnewline.com domain in the not-too-distant future!


Elven
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Oct 10 2007, 8:17pm

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A cow can only reguritate something 3 times before it becomes unpalatable .. :D [In reply to] Can't Post

The same rule does not apply to marketing! Laugh


The Road Goes Ever On and On ...
Happy 70th Birthday to The Hobbit!!



Tolkien was a Capricorn!
..*sing & sway* "All we are saying ..Is Give Pete A Chance" ...
"Your friends are with you Peter"
Let the Hobbit Happen!!!


Elven
Valinor


Oct 10 2007, 8:21pm

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Agreed!! [In reply to] Can't Post

I dont think they have a script as such ... but a full draft ... yes !!
Maybe theres a chunky storyboard outline hanging around ...
*looks under bed*
*looks in carport*
Laugh


The Road Goes Ever On and On ...
Happy 70th Birthday to The Hobbit!!



Tolkien was a Capricorn!
..*sing & sway* "All we are saying ..Is Give Pete A Chance" ...
"Your friends are with you Peter"
Let the Hobbit Happen!!!


deej
Tol Eressea


Oct 10 2007, 8:25pm

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Good point [In reply to] Can't Post

And I wouldn't be surprised if they were even knocking around ideas for it while they were working on the 'LotR' scripts.

Sincerely, deej - The Artist Formerly Known as djdeathskiss


Patty
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Oct 10 2007, 8:51pm

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I think we'll hear something after The Golden Compass has been out for a while... [In reply to] Can't Post

they'll want to give it some space.

I'm thinking that we won't see LotR in High Def until this lawsuit is settled, too. PJ originally said that any new set (like the high def set) would have new material in it, and I imagine NL would want his participation again--which they're not getting until the suit is settled.

For Gondor!


Darkstone
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Oct 10 2007, 8:54pm

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And [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm thinking that we won't see LotR in High Def until this lawsuit is settled, too.

Hopefully by then we'll know which HD format is going the way of Betamax.

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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”



Elizabeth
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Oct 10 2007, 9:08pm

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Ok... [In reply to] Can't Post


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Jack Lewis wrote the scripts for "Billy the Kid Versus Dracula" (1966) and its sequel "Jesse James Meets Frankenstein's Daughter" (also 1965) in less than two weeks! And veteran Hollywood director (over 350 movies) William "One Shot" Beaudine was able to film each one in eight days. (Slow for him. His record for shooting a film was two days.)

New Line, the studio that gave us "Freddy Versus Jason" (2003), should have absolutely no problem at all!!

BTW, Beaudine's most famous quote was "You mean someone out there is actually waiting to see this?"


...if you want The Hobbit to be that kind of movie.




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Ataahua
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Oct 10 2007, 9:19pm

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George Lucas couldn't write 'SOS' without making it turgid.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Darkstone
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Oct 10 2007, 9:23pm

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Oh, so you want a *good* movie? [In reply to] Can't Post

Then I'd say at least two years for script development as an absolute minimum. Anything quicker than that and you might as well have "Bilbo Baggins Meets Jesse James and Dracula".

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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”



Darkstone
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Oct 10 2007, 9:31pm

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As Harrison Ford said... [In reply to] Can't Post

... "You can't act it. You just have to say it." Or perhaps more to the point, "#$$%&# it, George! How do you expect us to say this $&%#$#???"

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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”



Patty
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Oct 10 2007, 10:48pm

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Morwen's poll on the home page is great. Vote what you think... [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm thinking early 2008 we'll hear something more definite.

For Gondor!


Morwen
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Oct 11 2007, 12:14am

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It certainly is an excellent poll, but I don't get credit for it. A previous poll on the home page, about Children of Hurin, came from a poll I posted on the Pollantir and TPB graciously gave me a nod for it.. Apparently, no one thought to take my name off the bottom, and I can't take credit for this poll that I had nothing to do with. I never noticed that my name was still there until I saw your post. I certainly encourage everyone to vote, however!

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TonyStarks
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Oct 11 2007, 12:38am

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For some reason I can't view the video..hmmmm ..very annoyed [In reply to] Can't Post

DO you know if thsi video is blocked to any parts of north america...like Canada lets say...this might sound stupid but I've seen it done before by MTV.
Do you have another link? I tried youtube but doesnt seem to be there yet.
Any idea?

THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP!!!!
(in advance)


Idril Celebrindal
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Oct 11 2007, 1:21am

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Script? We don't need no steenking script! [In reply to] Can't Post

Why bother to write a script when we have Book-a-Minute?!?!

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Another Tolkien on board!!! [In reply to] Can't Post

How wonderful is that!? Is this the same nephew that's doing the sculpture that we're going to be contributing to purchasing a TORn leaf for?

Thanks for finding this... and I totally agree with your praise of TPTB able to spend more time on the boards. *waves hi*


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grammaboodawg
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Oct 11 2007, 1:25am

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It's going to happen!!!! [In reply to] Can't Post

It's coming together and even those who have been very cautious can't hide their optimism and excitement! *twitch* OMG

Yeppers... it's gonna happen... and that's FLAT!


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Oct 11 2007, 1:35am

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Welcome to TORn, Tony [In reply to] Can't Post

Not sure why you can't play it. Did you try following the MTV Blog link and playing it from the MTV Blog site?

In any case, I hope you stick around and discuss this, and future Hobbit news with us. Smile


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Oct 11 2007, 2:07am

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"Just a fool's hope" [In reply to] Can't Post

That's what Mr. FF said when I showed him the video. What a card.

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Oct 11 2007, 3:21am

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Bless book-a-minute. :) / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Sunflower
Valinor

Oct 11 2007, 5:58am

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I agree.... [In reply to] Can't Post

...no new news here.

I'll bet the only reason Shaye and Lynne are promising anything is that they're expecting a big windfall from the Golden Compass in December, and any announcement still won't be until Jan. at minimum, per disclosures of TGC profits to cover the monies owed.

And I agree with the others: It has to be Peter directing or nothing. Funny, my opinion on this changes by the day. Yesterday I said I if push came to shove I'd accept Guillermo de Toro and no-one else, if PJ was out. But the more "positive" news I get, that old lovin' feelin' for the PJ Team keeps coming back. The "nostalgia factor" is more powerful than anything...I hope for them too.

We still haven't answered the $64,000 question: How is PJ going to keep his "Tintin" commitment to Spielberg? I wouldn't mind putting The Hobbit off to 2011 so he can keep that commitment. He can't back out of that. Even if a script has been mostly done by the PJ and crew, with pre and post production it'll still take at least 2 yrs to bring this to the screen. And if it's 2 films (as hoped), this throws a real monkey wrench into things. Honestly, I STILL hate NL's guts, for probably forcing PH into a schedule where he can probably only exec produce. If we hadn't had this mess, he would have committed to The Hobbit *before* Tintin.

Still, this made my night.. Derwyn, if you're on here, you know what I mean, you and your correspondent. Thanks (so far) for all.


Rogash
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Oct 11 2007, 6:19am

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I Think that [In reply to] Can't Post

If Peter jackson respect Tolkien and his one million fans,he will direct The Hobbit.


Sunflower
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Oct 11 2007, 9:32am

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Folks, hate to say it, but..... [In reply to] Can't Post

I have just been over on Ain't It Cool News and there's a report from one of their "reporters" who was visiting the Indiana Jones set. They got to meet Stephen Spielberg, actually sat down for lunch with him. It was a "meet and greet" for fansites covering Indy 4. When asked about the Tintin films, Spielberg told the AICN guy that he was directing one, PJ was directing one, "and if we don't find someone we like for the third one, we'll both direct it." Moreover, he said that when he was directing his film, PJ was going to be on hand during the filming process; and when PJ was doing his, Spielberg was going to be onset to supervise. So it looks as if the Tintin films with PJ are a lock, whatever else happens. And as far as we know, Spielberg hasn't changed his schedule.

This is straight from the horse's mouth, ladies and gents; go to www.aint-it-cool-news and read about it.

I have no idea how Peter Jackson is going to direct two Hobbit films, or even one, before 2011. And, as someone has pointed out, New Line sound as if they're in a real rush....


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grammaboodawg
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Oct 11 2007, 11:49am

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Peter's shown he can [In reply to] Can't Post

be in a dozen places at the same time as he did when he was overseeing multiple units during the filming the The Lord of the Rings. Granted... this is massively different; but if the plan is for him to act as Executive Producer and have the say and see over what's done with the filming of The Hobbit and its sequel, I think it's the best way he has found to still be the guardian/shepherd of Tolkien's works even though he physically can't be present for every day of the shoot.

I also think that he has a LOT of his team in place that had as much of a hand in the directing of LotR as he did. Andre Lesnie, Fran Walsh, John Mahaffie and Geoff Murphy; editing by Jamie Selkirk and John Gilbert; Weta and Richard Taylor; and production/miniatures/sets with the Hannahs, Grant Major ... all those people who worked so closely with Peter and know his sensibility, mindset, and artistic brush would be able to do SO MUCH toward keeping the look and feel of Middle-earth intact until Peter could take the time to look over what's been done is totally do-able. The films aren't as complex as LotR was, too.

*rereads* How's THAT for a run-on sentence ;)

Trust... If anyone could make this happen, Peter and his filmic family can.


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SandWitch King
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Oct 11 2007, 4:53pm

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BuckyUnderbelly
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Oct 11 2007, 5:45pm

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My guess is, that talks have been going on for some time and have probably progressed quite far already. Keeping the creative team together just makes WAY too much common (and financial) sense. No matter how bruised Bob Shaye's ego might be, the man's no fool. He knows a sure thing when he sees it.

In fact I'll bet that negotiations with PJ are feverishly steaming forward in hopes of getting some kind of surprise announcement trailer tacked onto the beginning of The Golden Compass. How cool would that be?!

Here's how I'd do it:

Fade in on the New Line logo in the mist ... then fade to black.

Fade up on that oh-so-familiar font saying something like: "Even the greatest adventure ... begins with a single step ..."

Then cut to a shot of a fuzzy hobbit foot tentatively crossing the threshhold of Bag End ... and stepping onto the road.

Cut to black.

Then the words: "Christmas 2009" fade onto the screen over the trilling notes of Howard Shore's Hobbiton music.


Then I hyperventilate and pass out!


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BuckyUnderbelly
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Oct 11 2007, 5:51pm

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... a shot of a hobbit foot. Since PJ had the human-sized Bag End set permanently implanted in his back yard!


Patty
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Oct 11 2007, 6:00pm

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just about as much as I love your nick! Welcome!

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BuckyUnderbelly
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Oct 11 2007, 6:28pm

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Patty
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Oct 11 2007, 6:36pm

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I'd like very much to hope you were PJ in disguise, this idea is so good... [In reply to] Can't Post

but I know the man's got WAY too much to do to be hanging out here.

I hope you decide to stay. In lieu of PJ we'll listen to how you would film it. Do you think they'd wait and attach it to the GC movie midway through its run, like they did the trailers for the other two films? We had a discussion a while back about the appropriateness of linking the two properties ( I am not in favor of it) but I'd love to think it would be a way of announcing that The Hobbit is in fact getting made and made right. Despite all the "spite" I'd love to see New Line totally on board, as they were with the Rings.


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BuckyUnderbelly
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Oct 11 2007, 7:28pm

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... I'm not PJ! Though I am short, fat and bearded!



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but I know the man's got WAY too much to do to be hanging out here.

I hope you decide to stay. In lieu of PJ we'll listen to how you would film it. Do you think they'd wait and attach it to the GC movie midway through its run, like they did the trailers for the other two films? We had a discussion a while back about the appropriateness of linking the two properties ( I am not in favor of it) but I'd love to think it would be a way of announcing that The Hobbit is in fact getting made and made right. Despite all the "spite" I'd love to see New Line totally on board, as they were with the Rings.



If New Line was smart ... and they are -- (much as I'm irritated by their behavior in this particular kerfuffle, you gotta admit, keeping that company going for 40 years took skill, savvy and brains) -- they'll move heaven and earth to get some kind of announcement attached to Golden Compass. Why? Because it's just smart marketing. It's absolutely the perfect target demographic. Golden Compass is the only big fantasy movie they've got on their slate right now so it's kind of a no-brainer to link the two franchises. Heck, look at the very first teaser trailer for Golden Compass ... they've been trying to link it to LOTR from the start.

Will that connection help the Hobbit's eventual box office? Probably not. That's too far off yet. Plus, the Hobbit is going to be a box office juggernaut no matter what. But attaching an announcement trailer would certainly boost awareness, not to mention build a little good will toward New Line among the fan community.

Would a Hobbit trailer help the Golden Compass' box office? Well, there's a good chance it would actually. Silly as it sounds, there's actually some precedent for that. Back in 1999 Fox attached the first Star Wars: Episode I trailer to the movie Meet Joe Black ... and that movie's grosses did, in fact, jump. People were so eager to see the trailer on the big screen, they paid $10 bucks to see a movie they didn't care a wit about. (This was before we had any inkling that the new trilogy was going to leave such a pungent stench in its wake, of course. But we were young and foolish and filled with such crazy hopes and dreams!)

Anyhow, when theater owners complained that people were buying tickets, sitting through the trailer ... and then LEAVING before Meet Joe Black even started, Fox then announced that they would play the trailer at the beginning AND the end of the film. And the promise of a second glimpse kept us geeks (yes, grudgingly, I admit that I was there) in our seats through one of the longest and most boring movies ever made!

Remember, New Line needs our business for this movie. They've got a lot riding on the success of Golden Compass. They're hoping that this new trilogy will be a big part of their company's plans (and their bottom line) for the next five or six years. So the more tickets they can sell to Golden Compass the better.

These are not stupid people. You gotta believe that they're going to want to reach out to the fan community in a positive way to help this new franchise along. They need the LOTR crowd. And what better way to draw us in than to give us what we really, really, really want? It's worth it to them, no matter how many zeroes they have to put on PJ's check!


Of course, take ALL of this with a whole shaker of salt. This is just me thinking with my fingertips. I have no inside knowledge whatsoever. These are merely the idle musings of a short, fat, hairy man with little else to do with his afternoon!

But we can dare to dream, can't we?


Ataahua
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Oct 11 2007, 11:20pm

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was purely so that I could see the TT trailer at the end of it. Not that I needed my arm twisted too high mind you...

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Sunflower
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Oct 12 2007, 12:47am

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I've never gone that far, Aathua, not even for "Phantom Menace."

Gramma....you have a lot of good ideas there. I MIGHT be able to accept it....I mean, if Fran directed it, that would work! After all, she was responsible for the "lyrical, fairy-tale" stuff, (such as Sam and Frodo in the boat, Arwen and Aragorn in Rivendell TTT) while PJ tended to favor the action scenes.You could say "The Hobbit" is more of a Fran type of film. If the script team was together......PJ has to count for this one though; I'd want all the actors to be getting revised scripts under their door every day like in LOTR, but Peter has to have been kept up to speed and contribute via email. I don'yt know...I'll think on this.

The problem though, , like others have mentioned, is the publicity. Unless the majority of fans see that definative statement "Peter Jackson will be directing"--if they see anyone else in the director's slot--they'll still hit the cieling. And the non-book and non-Internet fans (Joe Sixpack and Jane the Soccer-mom) probably still couldn't name one person on the creative team, unless they watched the Oscars. And some of the anonymous fans might care more than NL thinks.
Bottom line: how are you going to see a non-Jackson directed film to the public and expect the same passionate intensity and anticipation? NL will have alot of work on their hands.

Oh...and re-reading this thread, I had something I wanted to say to Elven yesterday:
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Oct 13 2007, 12:47am

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Sunflower
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Oct 15 2007, 9:00am

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This is just...wow. [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm re-reading the Hobbit now and even from Chapter 2, I can tell how difficult this is going to be. I had forgotten just how childish the tine really is--it's a grandpa reading a bedtime story to a 5 yr old. Even the decision on whether any of the story should be told with any voice-over narration (similar to the last scene in ROTK--Frodo "talking" to Sam--will be difficult. I was wrong--the childishness must be preserved through the first half of the book for sure. But even so I am amazed at how the hints of darkness and a deeper take creep into the narrative even from Chapter 1. Gandalf's tale of the imprisonment of Thorin's grandfather in what is undoubtedly Barad-Dur sent shivers up my spine. He could no longer talk or even recognize me"--he was soon to die from torture. And that would have to be told in a flashback. WOW.

It is great fun, so far, to be able to fill in the blanks when Tolkine gives references to the other Stories of ME, "Goblins" "Princesses and widows' sons", Evil castles" "men of the North" etc. We are on the window looking in, but we know more than Bilbo does. I am very glad, for the first time, that LOTR was filmed first---as well as the fact that LOTR was what I read first. To this day I recommend LOTR first, the Hobbit 3rd. Difficult as it will be to write a credible script LOTR this (and it WILL be hard), we can all thank God that LOTR was done first. It makes TH at once all the more easier and more difficult to do.

 
 

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