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Entertainment Weekly Talks 'Hobbit' - BIGTIME!

Xoanon
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Oct 4 2007, 6:18pm

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Steele writes: Just a heads up, if case you didn't know, that there is a huge 7(!) page cover story on the current status of The Hobbit in the Entertainment Weekly which hits newsstands tomorrow (10/05). I would call it cautiously optimistic - confirmation that New Line and PJ apparently are now talking - and a good overall summation of the PJ/New Line/Hobbit situation to date. BTW, love your web site.


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Ataahua
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Oct 4 2007, 6:32pm

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How many times [In reply to] Can't Post

can you ignore the horde at the door?

There has been so much expectation - and to some degree, demand - from the public for a Hobbit film that New Line surely can't hold out forever, particularly when the deadline must be looming for the expiration of their rights to the story. It's pure speculation, but ... maybe there's some behind-the-scenes arm-twisting that means NL can extend the rights only if they've got PJ on board?

However this all pans out, the background story to this saga is going to be a fascinating read someday!

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Xoanon
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Oct 4 2007, 6:43pm

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A little birdie told me... [In reply to] Can't Post

That a certain TORN staffer had a hand in writing the EW piece, and has a neat little 'factoid' box somewhere in those pages...scans tomorrow!


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hasufel
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Oct 4 2007, 6:49pm

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The behind scenes to this story will be very interesting.


Altaira
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Oct 4 2007, 6:50pm

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Cool! [In reply to] Can't Post

I'll have to check my mail early tomorrow (or 'at all' - it's a block away so it doesn't always get checked right away - tomorrow will be an exception). Smile


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hasufel
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Oct 4 2007, 6:50pm

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Thanks in advance! Smile


cantado
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Oct 4 2007, 6:58pm

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This is absolutely fantastic news. I will definitely have to check this out.


Elven
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Oct 4 2007, 7:35pm

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7 pages!! [In reply to] Can't Post

That'll be something to read ... though Im not sure we get that mag in these parts ...
But no doubt the goss will be here on TORN!!
Puts kettle on ...


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deej
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Oct 4 2007, 8:26pm

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Now this is promising news! [In reply to] Can't Post

The fact that PJ and New Line are talking gives me hope that I will see this film in my lifetime!

Wouldn't it be a wonderful holiday gift to get an official announcement by the end of the year that PJ, Fran, and Phillipa were working on a script and that filming would start in 2008?


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(This post was edited by Altaira on Oct 5 2007, 3:44am)


deej
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Oct 4 2007, 10:17pm

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And I see our own Xoanon is quoted in the article [In reply to] Can't Post

"Would fans go see the movie if someone else directed it?'' asks the editor-in-chief of TheOneRing.net, Michael Regina. ''Maybe 90 percent would, but they'd be upset about it. It would break their hearts.''

I couldn't agree more!

(This post was edited by Altaira on Oct 5 2007, 3:45am)


weaver
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Oct 4 2007, 11:15pm

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If they can get 7 pages in EW before this film is even made... [In reply to] Can't Post

..I think we should expect a whole issue devoted to The Hobbit once it finally gets done!

This amount of coverage at this stage certainly says something about how hot a property the Hobbit is...

Intriguing news, thanks for the heads up!

Weaver



ringswarsfobfan
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Oct 4 2007, 11:16pm

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 I hope that New Line and PJ can sort things out so we can see the Hobbit made by the right people. It just wouldn't be the same if some one else tried their hand at making the Hobbit.Smile


silneldor
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Oct 5 2007, 1:55am

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Ho-boy, gramma is gonna have a cow, look out! [In reply to] Can't Post

I think the constant pressure from all sides is showing some wear. It was said before that money and 'movie formulas' speak loudly in the movie business but i just cannot understand the lack of dimension in foresight and common sense. New Line seems to have all the imbecilic characteristics of a Frank Burns.

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Lorien


Oct 5 2007, 2:21am

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Hobbit NOW [In reply to] Can't Post

1- well I can't wait for a Hobbit movie

2-I'd be excited at what they'd do with an "Appendix movie", essentially composed of various vignettes from the Appendices and other sources.

I think the Middle-earth "Prequel Duology" will be a heck of a lot better than the Star Wars Prequels, as The Hobbbit was 1-actually written first and 2-is already a best-selling book


Silverlode
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Oct 5 2007, 3:32am

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most of us (and those more casual fans who aren't part of the ongoing LOTR fandom) would go see it - once. But whether it could get us to go back multiple times is another question entirely. It's the repeat business that gives a movie "legs" and racks up those huge profits. It would be entirely possible for a movie of lesser pedigree to open big and then drop like a rock if the fans were disappointed.

These latest tidings are interesting. I'm cautiously hopeful.

Silverlode

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Patty
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Oct 5 2007, 3:44am

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I could not have said it better myself. [In reply to] Can't Post

I wouldn't boycott it, cause I'd have to look. But it would indeed break my heart, and I'd only see it once. I want the full meal deal here.

I would say that 90% may be a little high, though.

For Gondor!


Patty
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Oct 5 2007, 4:05am

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I must get out and get this mag. But in the meantime... [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20036782_20037403_20142132,00.html?&source=100407news

For Gondor!


Rivendweller
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Oct 5 2007, 4:08am

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" ...the Shire still hold him in its spell" [In reply to] Can't Post

Wel, he most certainly is not the only one now is he? Wink This is good news and I agree that if EW would devote a 7 page spread, there is " more to this Hobbit than meets the eye."

As far as this line...


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In fact, Jackson may turn out to be the only person who never once lost hope in the movie



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SandWitch King
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Oct 5 2007, 4:33am

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Glad for the coverage but there isn't much news here [In reply to] Can't Post

This was over-written and under-reported, mostly re-hashing old news. (Including stories at TORn! But thank goodness the article didn't get TORn and TORc mixed up again.)

Funny enough, perception is reality and because EW did the story it adds to the weight of everybody getting along and making nice.

Missing from the story is the pressure from Time Warner on New LIne to produce. NL has a string of badly performing movies
and Shaye and others are probably feeling some pressure. Remember "Elf"? That was the last big hit at New Line while Shaye's pet projects, like his own directed "The Last Mimzy" were genuine box office bombs.

Anyway, it is curious that EW did such a major story. I am a subscriber and I am sick to death of TV coverage at the magazine so this was a welcome relief.

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Patty
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Oct 5 2007, 4:34am

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That's right, Rivendweller! [In reply to] Can't Post

I can't wait for her to see this.

For Gondor!


Patty
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Oct 5 2007, 4:57am

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"When New Line began planning to sell the LOTR props and costumes at auction, Jackson intervened and said that he'd like to have them, both for sentimental reasons and for a museum he hoped to set up one day. The studio balked. Jackson then pointed out that he had never signed a contract for the extended Return of the King DVD. He informed New Line that he'd be happy to accept the costumes and props as his fee — the suggestion being that he might not work on the DVD otherwise. Those extended cuts had become far richer revenue streams than anyone could have predicted. Jackson got his props. "

...was news to me. I'd never heard this bit of scuttlebutt before.

For Gondor!


Finding Frodo
Tol Eressea


Oct 5 2007, 5:33am

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And Michael Lynne and Bob Shaye are on Charlie Rose right now [In reply to] Can't Post

It's after midnight on a school night so I should be sleeping, but I clicked through the on-screen tv guide one more time and lookee here: They're talking LotR at this moment! They're on because of New Line celebrating its 40th anniversary.

BS: Every film is a gamble.
CR: Has it exceeded your expectations?
ML: The total cost for the 3 films would be at least $300 million, but this was covered with our investors, licensing agreements, etc. Everything depended on the first film being a success.

Earlier they were talking about how New Line had made the greatest number of franchise films. Except for the Nightmare on Elm Street films (their first franchise) they made sequels that were as good as or better than the original (Rush Hour 3 was cited as example. Gag.)

CR: PJ and you (Bob) had a disagreement. Is it all about money or is it personal?
BS: Initially it was all about money. We have nothing to gain from duplicity in accounting. We welcome audits. I don't think we've ever been sued by anybody because we've always settled.
(Referring to statement about PJ never working for NL) I said things in a time of emotion.
CR: Hobbit. You're looking for another director and thinking of Sam Raimi.
ML: We're not saying that. He's a great director and so is PJ. There are lots of rumors. There are lots of people who could direct it.

So, there's no news here at all, but still it was interesting. Bob Shaye really comes off as prickly and short-tempered while Michael Lynne seems more friendly and diplomatic.

Where's Frodo?


Patty
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Oct 5 2007, 5:55am

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thanks for this info, FF. Go to bed now!

edited to add:

hopefully it will be here soon.
http://www.charlierose.com/shows/2007/10/04/1/a-discussion-about-the-40th-anniversary-of-newline-cinema

thanks for alerting us to this FF.

For Gondor!

(This post was edited by Patty on Oct 5 2007, 6:04am)


grammaboodawg
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Oct 5 2007, 9:22am

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*tears* thisis an awesome article!!! They've got everything in there! I KNEW IT! I KNEW IT!!!

THere's stuff I didn't know about in there...

"When New Line began planning to sell the LOTR props and costumes at auction, Jackson intervened and said that he'd like to have them, both for sentimental reasons and for a museum he hoped to set up one day. The studio balked. Jackson then pointed out that he had never signed a contract for the extended Return of the King DVD. He informed New Line that he'd be happy to accept the costumes and props as his fee — the suggestion being that he might not work on the DVD otherwise." I LOVE THIS MAN EVEN MORE!!!!!

He saved the props for THe HOBBIT! Yeah for the amazing exhibit... but HE KNEW he'd be needing them! Peter Jackson has been patient, unswerving, masterful in handling this. Of course he meant it that IF IF NL would let Shaggy Shaye have his WAY... he'd be done with THEM as far as the filming goes... be he also knows that SHAYE is not the only body in the building. He knows Michael Lynne, Mark Ordesky (though his job's changed) and others are in that company that are SANE!

I'm shaking..... omg..... and to reference TORn... LOOKIE! and XO... you're quoteed... This is an awesome areticle! I'm going to have to go re-establish my prescripti... I mean... renew my EW mag subscription..............


I had to race to the homepage and read this. It's not real until the homepage says so.. and there iit is... *tears flwing agan*

Trust Peter. He knows what he's doing.

You guys called it at DragonCon.. *twitch*


"[Panel discussion] Ramie was discussed in July 2007 to work in association with Peter, but now Shaye's waffling on Raimi directing because he has "bigger fish to fry." Calisuri: No one really knows what the project is ... Calisuri continues [a prediction]: ... what we will end up seeing is Peter Jackson is actually the executive producer of The Hobbit with Sam Raimi directing... which might not be ideal in all cases, but with Peter overseeing, we can expect to have a very similar vision of what we've had. If there's going to be a happy medium in this process that, hopefully, is the happy medium. Obviously we want Peter to do the whole thing.

Corvar: Just being able to have the whole artistic team be involved versus being off in New Zealand with no input will make a big difference. Being able to have the same people who designed sets and those types of things [including the screenplay by Fran Walsh and Philippa Boyens] work on it... that everybody would be under contract to Peter [who] might be out and excluded if Peter wasn't involved.
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JRandomRohirrim
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Oct 5 2007, 1:16pm

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It's certainly a hopeful article! [In reply to] Can't Post

I made the following posting in their comment area after the article:


The Hobbit needs the combined resources of Peter Jackson, Fran Walsh, Weta and Ian McKellen to be all the movie it could be. I hope New Line and the Kiwi crew resolve their issues soon.

I bought the boycottnewline.com domain and collected a few thousand signatures from people who, like me, were annoyed enough to boycott all New Line films. It is my greatest hope that I won't have to renew the domain and can take down the "Boycott New Line" petition down soon!

Boycott New Line!
http://www.boycottnewline.com


grammaboodawg
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Oct 5 2007, 2:13pm

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"It would break their hearts" [In reply to] Can't Post

This is NOT just a movie (or two), is it :) My bloodpressure's been spiked ever since I saw this!


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grammaboodawg
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Oct 5 2007, 2:20pm

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There ya go! [In reply to] Can't Post

That's the bottom line!!! I'll go see a PROPER set of films over and over and over and over until it's imprinted on my eyeballs! Anything less than that... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


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grammaboodawg
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Oct 5 2007, 2:22pm

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I stopped at 3 stores [In reply to] Can't Post

on the way into work this morning. No luck. *whimper* Let's just say, come 3:30pm, stay off the roads. I'm coming through!

*twitch*


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grammaboodawg
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Oct 5 2007, 2:27pm

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I saw it as [In reply to] Can't Post

more of a prep/update for future reporting. That way WHEN the real story hits (coming through us, of course) it'll have more impact and less explanation... I hope.

JUST GIVE ME THE FACTS!

I keep waiting to see a letter from Peter in the TORn inbox any day now...


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grammaboodawg
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Oct 5 2007, 2:29pm

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I'm still shaking my head at that one [In reply to] Can't Post

Fantastic! Astounding! Heroic! Typical Peter Jackson!

Hence... Indymoot. We're so lucky to have him as our lead-geek.


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grammaboodawg
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Oct 5 2007, 2:34pm

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WOW! [In reply to] Can't Post

"BS: Initially it was all about money. We have nothing to gain from duplicity in accounting. We welcome audits. I don't think we've ever been sued by anybody because we've always settled." Well... duh! That's why they haven't been sued (completed at least)... not because they were innocent!


BS is right! (not the man... the letters) I smell something...

Thank you for this! I'm going to watch for rePETEs! :D


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grammaboodawg
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Oct 5 2007, 2:52pm

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jimdorey
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Oct 5 2007, 3:04pm

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My Internal Source: Jackson Directing and all litigation to be DROPPED... [In reply to] Can't Post

My internal source has informed me that not only will Jackson be directing but all litigation will be DROPPED. Entertainment Weekly stopped short of saying that. It all hinges on continued good faith discussions and an announcement could be coming soon.

-jim

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Elven
Valinor


Oct 5 2007, 3:15pm

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Well!! If they think they can win the Hobbit Pride Comp with that entry .... [In reply to] Can't Post

they just might! ... WinkLaugh

It would be nice to see Fran Walsh Direct - (just a thought)

Im going to try and order the EW copy from the newsagency .... and get to some of the links ...
off to read, then back for Fiesta Friday ...

Oh! ... is there some difference with Gollums nose on the cover article? ... has he had plastic surgery on it ... it just looks different somehow ...then agian its 1:00am :P

Elven x


The Road Goes Ever On and On ...
Happy 70th Birthday to The Hobbit!!



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..*sing & sway* "All we are saying ..Is Give Pete A Chance" ...
"Your friends are with you Peter"
Let the Hobbit Happen!!!


Patty
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Oct 5 2007, 3:35pm

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From another article... [In reply to] Can't Post

I didn't know there was a January trial date...

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data/theworld/2007/October/theworld_October173.xml&section=theworld&col=
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Hanging over the dispute like fog on the Shire is a planned film version of ‘The Hobbit,’ which New Line and millions of movie fans would love to see Jackson direct. If the sanction shifts momentum in the case, it could help facilitate a settlement (relations between the parties are rumored to have warmed recently). However, the stakes are so high and both sides have already spent millions litigating the case, so the January trial date still seems likely.
And let’s not forget that this lawsuit concerns only the first ‘Rings’ film. Any settlement probably would have to cover Jackson’s identical claims on the other two blockbusters, meaning that the dispute, like that ending sequence in ‘Return of the King,’ could keep going and going.

For Gondor!


Elven
Valinor


Oct 5 2007, 3:40pm

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Do you mean Dropped as in .. [In reply to] Can't Post

completely dropped and there is no further legals? ... or do you mean a settlement of some source?
That may mean that they will be able to look at the books and go no further, but I dont think its that simple. Theres money involved Wink

so, I cant see that ... Why would the entire lawsuit be dropped?

I could see there being a commitment made and there are things in the works ...
I wish I could see the EW article ...
Maybe the script has been put in the hands of the Jackson/Walsh/Boyce camp, but I still dont get this as smooth sailing.


The Road Goes Ever On and On ...
Happy 70th Birthday to The Hobbit!!



Tolkien was a Capricorn!
..*sing & sway* "All we are saying ..Is Give Pete A Chance" ...
"Your friends are with you Peter"
Let the Hobbit Happen!!!


jimdorey
The Shire

Oct 5 2007, 3:48pm

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Dropped as in no more money exchanged on prior movies, only "The Hobbit" [In reply to] Can't Post

My original post had a link to my blog which is a big no-no apparently even when it is bang-on topic. My blog goes further into the reasoning behind it. The gist of it is that Jackson will receive more than a usual share of the percentage gross than what is normally accepted in the industry for a director of his stature. Remains to be seen of course, but it sounds reasonable.


deej
Tol Eressea


Oct 5 2007, 3:58pm

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Interesting [In reply to] Can't Post

Considering how much money the studios stand to make from 'The Hobbit', i'm sure even a bump in pay to PJ will still leave them with quite a profit.

It's really been fascinating to see how this has all been played out over the past few years. I don't claim to know much about the movie industry, but it's like reading a soap opera!

Sincerely, deej - The Artist Formerly Known as djdeathskiss


Elven
Valinor


Oct 5 2007, 4:04pm

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Thanks Patty .. [In reply to] Can't Post

Lots of interesting info in the article!

thanks for posting it.


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Oct 5 2007, 4:29pm

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oh my.... jimd... if you're right, you have a new best friend!

It's going to happen, you know. It's just a matter of time.

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Oct 5 2007, 4:32pm

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behind the scenes, there's more to this than the money issue as far as Peter goes. He had a point to make on behalf of everyone (including some of the players from his films) to make sure NL comes clean in their dealings. I'll bet stuff's going on and will be going on in the future that will keep this sort of thing from happening again... at least if Mr. Jackson's involved.


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Elven
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Oct 5 2007, 4:44pm

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I believe that too gramma ... hand on your heart commitment stuff here ... principle and integrity ... and really, it seems to me what started out as a 'request' has been like a small pebble dropped in a large pond ...
The money could be well spent in the southern hemisphere though Wink
and another point totally maybe unrelated ...
the expended exchange rate for US dollars they are predicting to come very close to getting better ...
which means that this could become 'very' expensive ... a near $ for $ ... which it wasnt before .... I find that interesting as well ...
There maybe more factors to get this happening - but the money is playing out its own story ... and having impacts - or prescriptive impacts which could see this as a timing issue as well. The current financial situations are effecting alot of big business ...


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JRandomRohirrim
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Oct 5 2007, 4:59pm

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So I guess Bob is back to wooing Peter again?? ;->


Hey, it looks like I may be able to
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SandWitch King
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Oct 5 2007, 5:24pm

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Elven
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Oct 5 2007, 5:51pm

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aren't 'we' (as a community) part of that process and evolution of the Hobbit coming to being, and some of the drive behind whats being put out there?

... and the buyers of the mags ... Wink

I think it may bring a few more people back to TORN and other sites just to see whats happening - like a bit of a nudge ...
to see Gollum on the cover brings it all back to those that have been lost from here maybe ...
it also keeps the Hobbit up front ..


and Shaye did mention he was looking into the publicity side of things ... promotion and such .... this is a good measuring stick ..
the build-up is looking well exectuted at the moment ... I think this is just the first of many!
Im wondering how many magazines will have something on the covers soon ...

It would be interesting to see what the sales figures are like, and what interest it generates ...

I believe its not only projection of the Hobbit movies success, but the cyber gaming market the Hobbit has to conquer and live up to as well ... theres all sorts of target markets to consider now ... the movie is the catalyst for such huge assocaited revenues ...

Woops ... off on a tangent again ...

But your thread title - I agree!!!


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Oct 5 2007, 6:25pm

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...but don't see anything new in it.


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Is Bob Shaye swayed? As posted earlier, I believe Peter Jackson will soon be announced as the director of "The Hobbit". I have heard from an internal source that a very generous percentage sharing deal with New Line is in the works concurrently with ongoing litigation between the two parties. Further, and here is the kicker: In return for the deal, the litigation that is pending between Jackson and New Line will be withdrawn. It all hinges on continued good faith dialogue between everyone involved.

Entertainment Weekly echoes my findings as well although they stop short of saying the litigation will be dropped. "There has been a détente,” says one insider. There is now the beginning of a discourse between Peter Jackson and New Line that’s running parallel to the litigation proceedings."

I suspect that the deal will be even more lucrative than what is expected for someone of Peter Jackson's stature to help him forget about the litigation. Hey whatever works. Just. Get. Him. Directing.


In particular, no source and no facts other than speculation, which we all can do.

Isn't this what that nice message from Jackson some months ago said he would never do?




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Elizabeth
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Oct 5 2007, 7:15pm

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to the online version of the article.




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jimdorey
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Oct 5 2007, 7:22pm

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Nothing new? Hmmm. Last I checked no one else had the goods on the litigation being dropped which certainly opens the door toward working together amicably. I thought it was quite exciting to get that piece of information. Yes, it is not official yet. No, I will not reveal my source. Yes, it may not pan out this way. I am merely passing on information that has not been known before. Let's all hope it does. And you are correct that is a quote from my blog.


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Oct 5 2007, 7:27pm

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One of PJ's greatest strengths in business [In reply to] Can't Post

is that he's a natural deal-maker. He's focused on what he wants and, as far as I can see, he always gets there one way or another - whether it's telling New Line officials that he's sick so that he can sneakily finish filming Forgotten Silver or it's playing hardball with companies large and small that are standing in his way.

I've seen some articles in the NZ press - a few years ago now - where PJ was painted as the baddie for an action he had taken. But he got the result he wanted, and he has engendered enormous loyalty among his employees and colleagues. If anyone can get a film studio to toe the line that he draws, it's PJ.

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Oct 5 2007, 7:29pm

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My sources (and I go out on a limb to guess they are much better than yours) say that there is nothing to that rumor..and everything right now is speculation.


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Elven
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Oct 5 2007, 7:45pm

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"Your friends are with you Peter"
Let the Hobbit Happen!!!


jimdorey
The Shire

Oct 5 2007, 7:54pm

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Semantics! Wow. I would have expected better. A little ego bruised are you? "No truth to the rumor" is spinning my post as if it were nothing but imagination. I take offense to your insinuation. First it was that I posted a link to my blog which was bang-on subject to the original post - oh, thats SPAM! Now it is that you don't believe my source. Frankly, I could care less what you think.

I cover more than just LOTR (though I am just as big a fan as anyone). I am interested in all things 3D. Not the old stuff, but the new exciting digital 3D. My sources come at it from a different angle than yours obviously as I deal with James Cameron's AVATAR (Weta CGI), Spielberg/Jackson's Tintin (Weta CGI), etc. I have internal sources in New Zealand and that's as far as I will go on that subject.

Your readers (and the knowledge contained in this forum) are the strength of theonering not the front page. Despite your asking, I will not submit my news items for you to place on your front page rather than post in the forums. Use your own "higher class" sources. We'll see whats what soon enough; who is smiling and who is not.


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Oct 5 2007, 7:59pm

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we're all in this together.Cool

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Oct 5 2007, 8:10pm

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hey now, don't get tetchy, I never said you made up the story. I just know what my sources told me...and my sources are pretty well in the know...But many things can and will happen in the next days/weeks/months...but as of right now, Peter does not have The Hobbit on his slate.


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SandWitch King
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Oct 5 2007, 11:09pm

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We are involved, to a small degree, because we are the ones with the money!

You are right, this publicity and response definitely is a factor.

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Nazger
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Oct 6 2007, 2:15am

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That big of a deal? [In reply to] Can't Post

Geepers. What a mess.
To me, all the article seems to be saying is that New Line and Jackson aren't shouting at each other anymore. I'm not sure this is worth the cover of EW.


diedye
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Oct 6 2007, 3:10am

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I just picked up the Entertainment Weekly for this week and it is NOT of the Hobbit. It has three different covers of the cast of THE OFFICE and there is no 7-page spread inside. Is it possible that the Hobbit issue is out NEXT week?



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Rogash
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Oct 6 2007, 3:16am

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I respect Peter Jackson's projects,but if he likes more Tintin than Bilbo it may be very discouraging...
Because if he haven't time to direct the Hobbit and he makes Tintin,it will be very so sad...


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Oct 6 2007, 3:21am

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The cover is on the front page.


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Oct 6 2007, 3:49am

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I've got a sneaky suspicion... [In reply to] Can't Post

... that, for some reason, the Hobbit issue will only be arriving here next week, which is kinda stupid, if you ask me, if we're just about an hour away from the U.S. border. Our "new" copy of EW is the Oct.5 issue which just hit the magazine racks here today. This is so weird. We usually get them at the same time as Americans.



Daughter of Nienna
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Oct 6 2007, 6:31am

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Newstand issues come later than subscription issues [In reply to] Can't Post

by my experience.

I have a lot of experience with this with my Tolkein group. I have had a subscription of EW for many, many years. I often send out emails to my group regarding relevant articles of interest. By my experiene, they come out 4 days to a week after I get them delivered to my house. Subscription people get first crack.

This issue is dated for the 12th, not the 5th. So, basically it does not have to it newstands until the 12th which is the end of next week. Just give it a few days then try again.

My last experience, for example, was after the last Harry Potter book came out... there was a special collector's Issue. I had people frantically asking me to scan and print or xerox my copy because they couldn't find it. I explained the situation, they relaxed and it showed up in a few days.

You will know the issue right away...
The cover has a screen shot of Gollum in the rocks looking sinister, it fills the whole page.

Issue title: "Return of the Hobbit?"
issue date: October 12, 2007 (today is Oct 5)
issue number: #958
Article Title: "Can there be peace in Middle-earth?"
Article pages: 28-36 (total: 7, not countng ad pages)

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Daughter of Nienna
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Oct 6 2007, 6:44am

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the issue is dated the 12th, not the 5th [In reply to] Can't Post

and people with subscriptions get them before they hit newstands, not the same day.

see my post down board...
http://newboards.theonering.net/...forum_view_expanded;


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Sunflower
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Oct 6 2007, 6:54am

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Yep, I've too had an EW subscription for yrs. I tend to get them the same day they're out on the stand.

I will say this: It was a Friday afternoon and at the bookstore that carried the issue, they were already sown to 3 or 4 copies from a stack already, and I saw a couple people reading it. I did a pop o wheelie and said to my self, "If this is NOT in my mailbox whenj I get home..." LOL. I wanted it, my precious, NOW.


All I can say is, I stand by my earlier "George Lucas/sandstorm" theory. Gramma will recall that this was a phenomenon that happened to George Lucas in Tunisia every one of the times he was on the eve of filming Tatooine scenes. Four times, on the the night before filming was due to start, a huge sandstorm would roar in and destroy the sets. The first time this happened in 1977 Lucas freaked, he thought the whole thing was doomed, to quote Threepio. But in 2005 it was the crew that freaked, but Lucas laughed, "OH, don't worry, this is good luck!" In other words, the sandstorm was a good divine sign aobut the film's prospects.

I've alkways said that it seems there HAS to be epic industry turmoil surrounding the initial stages of a legendary Tolkien adaptation being made! It doesn't seem to be any other way this point, this is a GOOD omen....lol


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Oct 6 2007, 7:41am

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See my link below for an online versions.




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Daughter of Nienna
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Oct 6 2007, 8:12am

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new online article

http://news.yahoo.com/...005/film_nm/rings_dc





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Oct 6 2007, 1:26pm

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Peter has a signed contract to work on "TinTin". He has nothing, not even a phone call, about The Hobbit. Peter will honor his contracts even if he's prefer to do something else.

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Oct 6 2007, 1:34pm

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I figured that out when I finally found the "new" copy and it wasn't "the one"!!! *sigh* I can wait... not for long, though!!


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Oct 6 2007, 2:18pm

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If PJ haven't got the time for make Bilbo,he can be the third realisator for Tintin !
Do you understand all ?


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Oct 6 2007, 3:05pm

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I'd like to think it was earlier this year, and that the movement in "the force" has been since this was filmed. Because both Shaye and Lynn were still real "guarded" in this interview.

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squire
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Oct 6 2007, 3:49pm

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It hit the newstands in midtown NYC at about 3:30 PM yesterday. [In reply to] Can't Post

I had my eye out for it thanks to Xoanon's warning. At 3:00 Friday afternoon, the first newstand I tried still had only last week's issue. Shortly thereafter at another subway stop I found my copy of the "Gollum" issue, and read it avidly while walking to my destination.

I probably would not have known about it otherwise as I don't usually read EW.

As noted here already, the article actually has very few hard facts. So why a big article on The Hobbit now?

A lot of the article actually informs the reader about just what The Hobbit is, its plot and characters, and how it relates to The Lord of the Rings. I'm guessing it is aimed at folks who loved the LotR films, but who have never read and never will read a word of Tolkien's books. It is, in other words, laying the groundwork for marketing the new movie. This is the first mainstream media alert to EW's readership and other media audiences, that The Hobbit exists and can be expected in a few years.

Entertainment Weekly is hardly a neutral reporter, and this article did not just pop up out of some fans' excitement about a property that has been in play since 2003. EW is owned by Time Warner, who also owns New Line. One can scarcely help concluding that Time Warner knows perfectly well that New Line is finalizing a settlement with Peter Jackson. The vast and synergistic marketing army of Time Warner is at last being mobilized.

Even the extensive discussion of the "second movie" indicates that the deal will include that venture as well - otherwise I think the article would not have allocated any space to it.



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Oct 6 2007, 4:38pm

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Why do I feel there will be a disappointing result somewhere along the line before things get better?

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Oct 6 2007, 4:49pm

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Because... [In reply to] Can't Post

... in the past one year we've been let down so many times that we're just being wary now?

Seriously, in the past year, every small bit of good news has been followed by just plain bad news, so even I'm tending to be a bit "pessimistic" and it's beginning to annoy even me :) I'm trying to restrain my excitement until everything's concrete, but it's so hard when you're a geek.

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Oct 6 2007, 5:03pm

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It's Hard Out There for a Geek?

sorry. I couldn't help myself.Evil

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Elven
Valinor


Oct 6 2007, 5:58pm

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I understand what you are saying ... but Im not of the same perspective, Ive seen it as basically positive and moving in the right direction with little disappointment in the way things have progressed.
I wasnt meaning to come across pessimistically (sp?) ... I wont waver on this issue - Peter Jackson will do the Hobbit, in his own capacity!! (IMHO)
but I dont trust New Line - Bottom Line - what is their definition of a healthy approach and outcome. What is their standard of compromise ...
Win, loose, or draw, Peter or NL, the dynamics have changed. The legal side of this is growing and seems disproportional to the initial request of the audit, and over taking the expectation of the film. Maybe the Hobbit story was to lift it away from the legals .. and the trial in January, yet now both the NL/Jackson legals and the Hobbit Movie are heavily intwined at the moment, where as before they were relatively seperate issues - although connected at the hip. They were bound to collide at some stage - just curious of the type of damage that does ...
I think results in January will bring a swift ending to all of this, but will it mean another 'ending' to the Hobbit?
Im looking forward to some new beginnings ... but not in exchange for a less than fair result and outcome in the courts, and to everyone involved.
How idealistic am I??!!

Everything that happening will make a great Ringers II film anyway!! Hope thats happening!! LOL!

Im just interested in the next move - this is like chess - its stategic ...


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Elven
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Oct 6 2007, 6:02pm

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Tolkien was a Capricorn!
..*sing & sway* "All we are saying ..Is Give Pete A Chance" ...
"Your friends are with you Peter"
Let the Hobbit Happen!!!


Elven
Valinor


Oct 6 2007, 6:04pm

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The Road Goes Ever On and On ...
Happy 70th Birthday to The Hobbit!!



Tolkien was a Capricorn!
..*sing & sway* "All we are saying ..Is Give Pete A Chance" ...
"Your friends are with you Peter"
Let the Hobbit Happen!!!


Daughter of Nienna
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Oct 6 2007, 6:36pm

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Good to know... [In reply to] Can't Post

...that some places the Mag gets distributed in a timely manner. I guess that since the company is centered in NYC. that accounts for it. But it is not here in Honolulu yet. In past experience, the bookstores my group usually go to find them have no idea when the Mags are normally to get delivered to them.

I have a subscription — so, no worries for me. Imagine my astonishment when I opened my mailbox and Gollum was there.

I depend on the mag since my first love is film and I like the seasonal previews to keep up with what's coming out; as well as Oscar news. one of their critics, Lissa Scharzbaum annoys me to no end (Owen is better). I never read news other than movie news unless it's Harry Potter or Lost.

I apreciate your analysis of what the article means. I was too busy yesterday and too tired last night to read it.




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Oct 6 2007, 6:47pm

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that even though they have already read the online version, insist on having the hard copy for their collections! Smile


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date and link to show clips [In reply to] Can't Post

It aired this past thursday, Oct 4, on PBS.

charlie rose.com

1. a discussion about the 40th anniversary of newline cinema
http://www.charlierose.com/...ry-of-newline-cinema

2 . bob shaye
http://www.charlierose.com/guests/bob-shaye

3. michael-lynne
http://www.charlierose.com/guests/


DoN

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Patty
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Oct 6 2007, 7:51pm

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Do you know when they were filmed, though, DoN? [In reply to] Can't Post

I know they aired on the 4th, but I'm trying to find out when they were filmed.

For Gondor!


Patty
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Oct 6 2007, 7:52pm

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*puts hand up!* [In reply to] Can't Post

that's if I can find it.

For Gondor!


Daughter of Nienna
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Oct 6 2007, 9:49pm

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give it a few days...it'll show up [In reply to] Can't Post

Probably only NYC & LA get the mags on the newstand early. (They are lucky that way with Indy flms art films, and UK/foreign films as well...December Boys never did make it here).

If you don't see it this weekend, try mid-week...by Friday next week it will be definitely there...try some book store like Borders or Barnes & Noble, etc. If you don't find it tright awy, it doesn't mean it's sold out, it means their deliveries are slower in you local. Also, sometimes special issues they want to call attention to might be found in as "special" stand separated from the others... in the middle of an isle or by the register.

I've had to help a friend or two on scavenger hunts for issues in the past that I had mailed to me. I'm an old hand at this of sorts. Smile

Have fun, bring a friend, have some coffee, or 'what-evahs'!

Aloha
DoN
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Daughter of Nienna
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Oct 6 2007, 9:52pm

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I am afraid to say that I am completely clueless. You might try fishing around on his website... that's my only suggestion...sorry I can't be more help.

I appologise for not catching the distinction in you question the first time.

Aloha
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Daughter of Nienna
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Oct 6 2007, 10:14pm

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Oct 6 2007, 10:38pm

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Years ago I had a job at a magazine distributor [In reply to] Can't Post

and learned a little bit about how magazines gets to stores. All the publishers ship their magazines in bulk to a central warehouse, where they're sorted into the individual orders from each store. I worked up and down a long table with stacks of each magazine, then picked the titles that were ordered (30 copies of Mademoiselle, 25 of Glamour, 40 People, etc.), bound up the order then had it taken on a rolling cart to the loading dock. The individual orders were then shipped out to the stores.

So each city has a different schedule for stocking the stores, depending on how often the area warehouse delivers the magazine orders. I also worked on the other side, at a convenience store, and we got magazines on Tuesdays and Thursdays. So another store in the area could have a magazine before we did if their delivery dates were different.

Each cloak was fastened about the neck with a brooch like a green leaf veined with silver.
`Are these magic cloaks?' asked Pippin, looking at them with wonder.
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Sunflower
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Oct 7 2007, 1:13am

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Ha ha, we are just so crazy. Here we are arguing over the logistics of magazine delivery....Smile Well I may as well chime in....I live in Albany, NY, (just 2 1/2 hrs north of NYC) and around 6 PM yesterday checked pharmacies (the local CVS), some grocery stores, the Barnes and Noble, and two Borders stores. Only Barnes and Noble had it. I used to work in that particular store too; I can tell you that ET was put usually put out Fri afternoon, certainly by 5 PM. Yet they were already down to 4 issues or so from a stack. We must have a lot of TORNsibs still active here:)

Patty, ROFL....now I can't get that song out of my headCool

I can't help but think that, paradoxically, every win for the Jackson camp is a plus for the film's chances.

1) It strengthens PJ's hand and puts a crimp in the NL's finances at a time when not only does every penny count, but the head honchos at Time Warner are eying this case with laser vision. THEY don't want this spinning out much longer....after all, they're the ones talking about buying up the company when Shaye's and Lynne's contracts run out.

2)As PJ wins these high-profile cases it makes him stronger and with more room to negotiate, while generating more bad press for NL and thus for them. It's in their interest to wrap this up asap, before thin35.)gs begin to snowball. The Entertainment Weekly article (a major cover story, just on this verdict alone!) will further persuade them to put the thumbscrews on Shaye. Interestingly, the article itself points out that ET is owned by TW (on pg 35.) I wonder if someone from TW secretly commissioned the story, as a shadowy way of pressuring Shaye.

3)NL is under pressure to produce, and produce fast. What this may mean for PJ's directing chances, no one can know. But hopefully a deal to extend the rights is in the works.
At this point, I've been fantasizing about a January announcement: PJ, Fran and the NL crew lined up for a photo op, cameras flashing, in which PJ begins by announcing, "I have some good news, and I have some bad news...." the good news being the Hobbitis being made, and I'm directing it, but principal photography will not begin until 2011 (I have to do TInTIn first)..." In which case we will all be biting our nails for the next 3 yrs wondering about the health of Ian and others...but hey, Iet's just GET to that point first!!!!!!Crazy

4)As Jackson gains more room to maneuver with such results, slowly being backed into a corner. The onus is thus on them. If the opposite were true, any "outside parties" might well be turning the screws on PJ and his team, which would be easy to do. He would be the one drawn to the negotiating table,and with the judgement of the world's media on his head. Weakening PJ with cuort losses would give NL more freedom to do what they want, such as choosing directors.


Sunflower
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Oct 7 2007, 1:17am

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If you're an avid film follower, here's a GREAT website:

AwardsDaily (Formerly known as Oscarwatch), ...www.oscarwatch.com


I've followed the Oscars every yr since Titanic, and this site has been around 10 yrs or so. Great clips, links to reviews, and the Discussion section is the best part.

Oh...and PPS: my favorite quote about the Hobbit so far: from an interview he gave for FilmScore Monthly.com a few months ago, Howard Shore was asked if he had been "fantasizing" about a score for "The Hobbit", and Shore replied with a smile and one word:

"YES"


THAT, folks, has given me the chills more than ANYTHING.

O Eru, please preserve the good health of a) Ian, b) Chrisopher Lee (at least until PJ can get some footage of him doing the White Council --and that he and PJ can mend their hard feelings; and c) the wonderful Howard Shore....


(This post was edited by Sunflower on Oct 7 2007, 1:24am)


Elizabeth
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Oct 7 2007, 2:37am

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Magazine delivery in Hawaii is spotty at best. [In reply to] Can't Post

Magazines that are sent by 2nd class mail on the mainland get here erratically. The New Yorker, which I subscribe to, is always at least a week late, and sometimes several weeks elapse and then 2 or 3 magazines arrive. Newsweek, on the other hand, is apparently printed and mailed here, since it always arrives right on time.




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Sunflower
Valinor

Oct 7 2007, 3:03am

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Speaking of The New Yorker, Elizabeth, you mention that your issues tend to arrive a week late.If such is the case, you probably haven't yet seen the cover of this week's issue---the one with the latest Iran story by Seymour Hersch. If you haven't, prepare yourself.

I saw this cover in a bookstore and my eyeballs just about imploded. The fact that it's the NEW YORKER, for Pete's sake, makes this image all the more damning. NOT their usual fare. I mean, with that artwork style....

To non-Yanks on here, I don't know if you can get a picture of the cover on their website or not, (Probably yes, ) that pretty much sums up U.S. politics right now. And it's no doubt a good thing that the Iranians won't understand the "footsie" thing, if they did, God knows what the reaction would be. Before the Craig scandal, of course, most Americans wouldn't have understood it either.

I merely mentioned this to Elizabeth b/c she subscribed to the New Yorker; if anyone manages to set their eyes on the cover and doesn't understand the full meaning of it, I'd be happy to briefly shed some light, though it IS OT for this thread.


Elizabeth
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Oct 7 2007, 5:49am

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You mean... [In reply to] Can't Post

this one? Stretching a bit, I fear.

No, I don't have it, but it's on their web site.




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Sunflower
Valinor

Oct 7 2007, 8:27am

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And I take it you understand the full insinuations of the piece. Pretty savage stuff. You have to see it up close too.

Doing such pieces on heads of stte (however crazy, etc, they may be) is not usually their style. It threw me for a loop, I have to admit.

BTW, my sister just got back from a trip to Hawaii last month. Lucky you! What island do you live on? After reading James Michener's novel when I was a kid, I REALLY wanted to go....esp to see places like Lahaina.

I imagine the cost of living must be very high, for haoles, at least.


Daughter of Nienna
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Oct 7 2007, 9:25am

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That clears up a lot... [In reply to] Can't Post

...and makes sense, too. I wouldn't expect every city to get their Mags at the same time..or every store either. It's good to have the picture pinted from behind the store front. Thanks




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Daughter of Nienna
Grey Havens


Oct 7 2007, 9:41am

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I only subscribe to EW... [In reply to] Can't Post

and it tends to come to a week before the newstand date. this issue under discussion is dated the 12th, I got it the fifth.

When i email our group on special issues of interest: LotR, HP, Lost, actors projects from LotR, Etc. I always give the relevant data to identify th ecorrect issue: Date, issue #, Issue title, Artile title an dpage numbers... and wha tthe image is on the cover. Ther eis a delayed delivery between teh time I get it and the time it shows up at newstands.

Lucky for Squire he lives or works in NYC and this issue was deliverd to stand yesterday. Then that is NYC. We live in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Everythign takes a longer time to get here. It always amazes me that my EW come early. Smile

I do agree about the spottiness of delivery... sometimes I miss getting an issue when it's supposed to come, but not often. Especially now I pay my supbscription with my creditcard and applied for autmatic re-subscription. I rarely get interruptions anymore.




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Nienna: “ those who hearken to her learn pity, and endurance in hope . . . All those who wait in Mandos cry to her, for she brings strength to the spirit and turns sorrow to wisdom." — Valaquenta


Daughter of Nienna
Grey Havens


Oct 7 2007, 9:50am

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Oahu [In reply to] Can't Post

Honolulu is on Oahu. Lahaina is on Maui.

cost of living must is high, but not all that much from the Bay area, which is wher I moved her from. In fact the Bay area is highe in some ways, like in property costs.




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Nienna: “ those who hearken to her learn pity, and endurance in hope . . . All those who wait in Mandos cry to her, for she brings strength to the spirit and turns sorrow to wisdom." — Valaquenta


Sunflower
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Oct 8 2007, 11:38am

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Sorry if this is OT but I have something that's personal in nature quite sudden that I just HAVE to vent about, but I'd rather not discuss it on TORN. You guys (and this site) area wonderful distraction but, well, I have to stop being distracted for a while.)

Please mail me at cochrane_tina@yahoo.com if you want....


Daughter of Nienna
Grey Havens


Oct 8 2007, 7:21pm

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send me a Personal Message (PM).

Click on my name to the right... at the bottom right of that page there is a link to send me a PM.


DoN

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