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Feb 5 2012, 3:24am

Post #51 of 60 (5788 views)
I wonder if Conway ever saw TTT and ROTK [In reply to] Can't Post

and regretted not taking on that 'stuntman' role.

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Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

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Feb 5 2012, 3:43am

Post #52 of 60 (5790 views)
yeah... [In reply to] Can't Post

It's my general impression, from perusing the old news archives, that a lot of established artists didn't take the idea of LOTR very seriously. It's true that fantasy didn't have the best track record in movies. And I think the schedule which required the major actors to pretty much relocate to NZ for an extended period of time was a real turn off for people who had families and established lives.

Here's what Conway said in June 2000:

...and contrary to rumor, Conway will NOT be in Peter Jackson’s massive Lord of the Rings trilogy. That’s not to say the rumor mill was inaccurate in reporting that he, at one point, had been attached to the project. "I pulled out of Lord of the Rings, which may yet prove to be one of the bad mistakes in my career, and I’ve made alot of them," he says. "I was upfront with [the filmmakers]. they offered me the role of Theoden, which is a wonderful part. But... their schedule. They wanted me to go out in January to New Zealand for six weeks, then go home, then go back again for another six weeks, then go home again and then come back again for three months. I said, ‘Whoa!’ The character is in two of the films. It wasn’t worth it. He has a couple of good scenes, but the rest is all battling with armor and stuff. You could have a stuntman do that, which they probably would have done anyway. But I really suffered about it"

And here's what he said a month later:

KevinConway: The quick answer for that (pulling out of LOTR) is, I was set to do it, they were going to pay a ton of money for that. The unresolved problem was the schedule. They're doing ALL of it, so a three year off and on commitment for me, it would have been a year and a half about with small breaks of 3 weeks, a month here, 3 weeks there. I wouldn't have been able to do anything else. I couldn't do it, I backed out of it. I saw myself sitting in New Zealand for like a month between shots, or flying back to NY then flying back to New Zealand after a couple of weeks. There's no way to adjust the schedule, I knew I would be miserable. I left them plenty of time to recast, I don't know who they recast. I've been to New Zealand already, bungee jumped off a cliff. I didn't think I could do it, it was really exciting, I liked it because I'm a little afraid of heights, so this was a good way to crash through that. I was showing off, there was a guy with us who was one of those know-it-all guys and I think it was more male testosterone check than it was anything, I didn't want to jump off a cliff, but this guy kept saying how dumb it was. I was going to play Theoden, a King.

Interviewer: You as Theoden would have been spectacular. They settled for Bernard Hill (Cap'n Smith in "Titanic").

KevinConway: The bad guy was going to make me depressed, I was going to be killed, I couldn't understand why it would take them a year and a half. I'd be there right now.

KevinConway: The really depressing part is that he's got to be 20 years older than me. So that's how they saw me, as an old ...

KevinConway: I do have a white beard though, unfortunately prematurely whitened. I don't know anything about him as an actor, I couldn't sit through Titanic. I worked with Leo in Quick and the Dead, he's a wonderful young actor, but I just got really tired of the story. There's no way it needed to be 3 and a half hours long. That's one of my main bones to pick, is the length of movies nowadays. You can't go to a movie that' s under 3 hours, there's something wrong with that. Lawrence of Arabia NEEDED to be 3 hours. Dr. Zhivago needed to be 3 hours, but not some of these other movies with a fairly straightforward story, I don't think.

I wrote this in an old post on LOTR Movie:

You know how many of us feel that the right people are found for Tolkien projects? Well, maybe this is a case of the wrong people being tested and spit out. One wonders how much winging and doubting like this kept other people from wanting to be involved in the project or even backing out after saying they would be involved.

And I keep thinking about the good bye haka that the stunties gave Viggo and Bernard. What a lovely resolution of that early drama.

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Feb 5 2012, 4:21am

Post #53 of 60 (5819 views)
And this is the perfect quote [In reply to] Can't Post

to soothe the worries of those who are convinced that actors talking about "a year's commitment" means greatly expanded roles:

The unresolved problem was the schedule. They're doing ALL of it, so a three year off and on commitment for me, it would have been a year and a half about with small breaks of 3 weeks, a month here, 3 weeks there. I wouldn't have been able to do anything else.

The same thing is happening with Hobbit schedules, with the addition of breaks between blocks of filming. A small part can remain a small part and still take a year to film off and on with no break really big enough to do other things. This is exactly what Saoirse Ronan was talking about when she decided not to sign on for the project. Those who are only going down for brief segments of filming are likely to be little more than cameos.


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Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
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Feb 5 2012, 6:40am

Post #54 of 60 (5810 views)
Cage, Interesting. . . [In reply to] Can't Post

It is difficult for me to imagine Cage in a major LOTR role (like Aragorn) but I don't have any problems imagining him in a minor elf lord role or as a man of Gondor.

He's kooky but I've always liked him as an actor.

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Feb 5 2012, 10:31am

Post #55 of 60 (5757 views)
hmm [In reply to] Can't Post

My name is Aragorn. Ranger Aragorn.

Brosnan as Aragorn ? No thanks.

Day-Lewis would have made a good Aragorn. And Connery a good Gandalf. Other that that not convinced by that list.

(This post was edited by xy on Feb 5 2012, 10:33am)


Feb 5 2012, 3:02pm

Post #56 of 60 (5819 views)
Daniel Day Lewis... [In reply to] Can't Post

was apparently fairly aggressively pursued and was having none of it ... if the 'rumblings' were to be trusted at all... and of those I read, the ones about DDL came from the more 'trusted' end of the continuum than others.

Of course, Connery's comments on the subject are fairly well known.

Ethan Hawke was another strong candidate and my impression is was offered (or was close to being offered) and turned down the role. His comments indicate Uma was also in talks although I'm not sure if her negotiations reached the same level as his.

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Feb 6 2012, 10:59am

Post #57 of 60 (5761 views)
Wow, what you secretly posted in the text of your message was shocking.// [In reply to] Can't Post

*whistles* Evil

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Feb 7 2012, 3:43pm

Post #58 of 60 (5724 views)
why not Patrick Stewart as... [In reply to] Can't Post

... Gandalf, Denethor AND Theoden? Wink


Feb 7 2012, 3:45pm

Post #59 of 60 (5710 views)
Steve Buscemi as Gollum? // [In reply to] Can't Post


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Feb 8 2012, 12:07am

Post #60 of 60 (5764 views)
the scoop: [In reply to] Can't Post

In late August, 1999, a rumor from another Tolkien fansite surfaced that Weta Digital was using Steve Buscemi as a model for testing Gollum's facial expressions and lip synching. Xoanon doesn't believe that anyone connected with Weta would divulge information like this. 1 Michael De Luca denies this say, "Nope, he's some unknown Brit." (Buscemi being American) 2 Although TORn takes it to be a complete refutation, it's unclear from the one sentence quoted whether De Luca is refuting any use of Buscemi as a test model or only saying that the final cast actor was not Buscemi. The original rumor did not imply that Buscemi was complicit in the reported modeling. It could have been performed on existing film footage of the actor without that actor's knowledge.



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