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Nicholas Cage Was Almost in LOTR...

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Feb 2 2012, 12:06pm

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Nicholas Cage Was Almost in LOTR... Can't Post

Allanon sends this along: Here is a link to an Empire interview with Nicolas Cage. He mentions that he turned down a role in The Lord of the Rings.

terrence green says: "I'm sure you have turned down films in the past, but is there one that you have thought "Damn, I wish I took"? NC: The only reason why I tend to pass on a movie is either I don't think I'm right for the material and can't play it honestly, or because of time constraints with personal things in my life. There were two movies that asked me to go to Australia or New Zealand for long periods of time. One was Lord Of The Rings and one was the Matrix. But I was actively involved at that time raising my family and I couldn't really take that time out. Full Transcript

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Darkstone
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Feb 2 2012, 5:14pm

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Yes. [In reply to] Can't Post

He was offered the role of Aragorn. He was also offered the roles of Neo and Superman as well, though of course neither of those were in Lord of the Rings.

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"A scene was cut from the finished film that showed Eowyn (Miranda Otto) stripping away her regular clothes and then dressing herself in the armor of a Rohan warrior."

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Rostron2
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Feb 2 2012, 6:09pm

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Dodged that bullet// [In reply to] Can't Post

I'd take that idiot Townsend over Nicolas Cage...


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Feb 2 2012, 6:15pm

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psst Rostron [In reply to] Can't Post

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Feb 2 2012, 6:46pm

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Feb 2 2012, 7:23pm

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Yep, I clicked to see if there was anything there [In reply to] Can't Post

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Feb 2 2012, 7:30pm

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In that case, if I were you, I wouldn't click on this comment either... // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Feb 2 2012, 8:23pm

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Maybe I don't have a full grasp of Cage's range but [In reply to] Can't Post

based on everything I've seen him in I can't picture him playing any charactar in Tolkien's world.

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QuackingTroll
Valinor


Feb 2 2012, 8:28pm

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Here's an example of Cage's range... [In reply to] Can't Post

I think he can do all the emotions... http://youtu.be/xP1-oquwoL8 (I warn you there's a lot of language, but it's so funny you kind of forgive it)

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burrahobbit
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Feb 2 2012, 10:43pm

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lol! I can imagine... [In reply to] Can't Post

Cage doing the scene of Aragorn falling to his knees when he thinks Merry and Pippin are dead in that style. Would have been classic!

Strange to think we could of had LotR films starring Cage and Connery, what a nightmare!


Xanaseb
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Feb 3 2012, 12:28am

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LOL QT that is tortuous !!!.................. [In reply to] Can't Post

Cage goes mental a lot!!......

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Magpie
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Feb 3 2012, 1:02am

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I have gone through all of TORn's archives from the inception of the site (around April 1999) to the release of FOTR. And I guess I have two thoughts:

ONE: I think some actors refer to a 'role they turned down' when it's more like 'I chose not to pursue it'. It really means about the same thing, I'm sure, to them and sometimes a simple answer - even if slightly misleading - is what works best for light interviews. I'm not sure we can assume that Cage was offered the job or that he even read for it.

I think there are many steps in the process of a major or well-known actor getting a part and we don't know how far Cage made it in this process.

TWO: As I said, I've looked through all the archives for a two year period leading up to FOTR and Cage was not mentioned once. That isn't proof of anything but back then, info leaked in a much more free manner than nowadays. Michael De Luca was emailing fans, for crying outloud, and answering their questions and dropping hints. AICN dropped lots of hints.. some which panned out and some which seemed to take a different turn before official confirmation could get made.

I can't say AICN never talked Cage... but TORn was keeping good track of what other people and sites were saying and they never reported it if AICN did.

So, I would skew this comment as 'Cage decided against the job before anyone on the production site ever got serious about him'!


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Milknut
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Feb 3 2012, 1:50am

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO// [In reply to] Can't Post

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Evil

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Milknut
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Feb 3 2012, 1:58am

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And here is an example of his best British accent... [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6QY5LOa6MM

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Feb 3 2012, 2:47am

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The thought of Nicholas Cage being in LOTR... [In reply to] Can't Post

Scares me to hell.

I think im going to have nightmares of him as Aragorn now...

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Gwytha
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Feb 3 2012, 4:07am

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Lol! He's got "fey" down [In reply to] Can't Post

maybe he could do a few scenes as Turin or Feanor.

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Lissuin
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Feb 3 2012, 4:45am

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Denethor. [In reply to] Can't Post

He would have loved to run screaming and burning from his pyre.

LOTR, The Film would have been dead to me. (Am I being over-dramatic?)

I think Magpie is right, though.


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Gondor

Feb 3 2012, 5:55am

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In the commentaries, PJ says that another actor was chosen to play Aragorn but they let him go & brought in Vigo...

Is that Nicholas Cage?

Excuse me if I'm not up on things.

BTW: I think it's just like any great movie roll......

We are just so used to seeing the chosen actor, we can't imagine he was the 2nd, 3rd, even 4th or 5th choice.

Like: Charles Laughton over Alex Guiness in Bridge on the River Kwai (there were so many fat starving POW's, lol)

Dinero shot for Michael Corleone & Al Pacino for Sonny in Godfather Part One

Copella had to insist on Marlon Brando for Don Vito. Some of the names mentioned were: Danny Thomas, Frank Sinatra (I bet he loved the horse's head scene) & get this: Danny Kaye, The Court Jester!

The old story is Ronald Reagan was announced for Casablanca, but he was never offered the role. Either was george Raft: He'd turned down too many rolls that Bogart had gotten by then & made Bogart a star.

But, it's really interesting how these things work out...

Finally, Adam West, TV's Batman, WAS offered the roll of James Bond in 1968, but turned it down, saying an Englishman should play Bond. An Australian named George somebody got it & bombed. Connery returned for several more movies before that other English dude stepped in.

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Feb 3 2012, 8:14am

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If it is true that he was offered Aragorn [In reply to] Can't Post

One would have to wonder about the sanity and taste of the casting director...

Given that most of the casting was rather well done, my guess is that he simply decided not to audition for it. I seriously cannot believe he was offered it.


Lissuin
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Feb 3 2012, 9:20am

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Mortensen didn't replace Cage [In reply to] Can't Post

In the commentaries, PJ says that another actor was chosen to play Aragorn but they let him go & brought in Vigo...

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It was Stuart Townsend, a much younger actor. He rehearsed for two months and then was replaced just before filming began - not a happy situation, evidently. It was decided that someone older was needed for Aragorn, according to reports at the time.


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Feb 3 2012, 10:20am

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I love Nicholas Cage! :D But I'd heard of other close calls... [In reply to] Can't Post

There's a whole bunch of them! What if...

Ed Harris was Elrond?
Julia Roberts was Arwen?
Leonardo DiCaprio was Legolas?
Russell Crowe was Aragorn?
Sean Connery was Gandalf the White?
Toby Maguire was Frodo?
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Feb 3 2012, 11:12am

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Oh, gosh...Yoda as Gollum...can you imagine what the Hobbits' ears would then be like...! Laugh


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Feb 3 2012, 12:10pm

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Stuart Who? [In reply to] Can't Post

Who's Stuart Townsend?

Peter Townsend's nephew?

Wink

As you might tell from my post, my movie tastes tend to run towards TCM, not the CGI-driven dribble that Hollywood poops out these daze. Crazy

Although I think I'll manage to take in The Hobbit when it comes out.

...But eack time King Kong's been done, it's gotten worse to be quite fair too. Tongue

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Feb 3 2012, 1:21pm

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all the rumors, rumblings, and reports from TORn [In reply to] Can't Post

collected from news archives from April 1999 to roughly Dec 2001 (some reports are from a later time but I have not thoroughly scoured the news archives for the time after Dec 2001)

Some of these were misunderstood statements from the actor. Some where wishful thinking on the fans parts. Other reports were more substantial and probably indicated serious talks between the actor and producers.

ACTOR RUMORED ROLE (*cast)
Ben Affleck unspecified
Sean Astin Sam Gamgee*
Tom Baker Gandalf
Sean Bean Boromir*
Cate Blanchett Galadriel*
Orlando Bloom Legolas*
Billy Boyd Pippin*
Pierce Brosnan Aragorn
Steve Buscemi Gollum
Jason Carter Aragorn
Claudia Christian unspecified
Sean Connery Gandalf
Jeffrey Combs Wormtongue
Kevin Conway Theoden*
Joshua Cox Faramir
Marton Csokas Celeborn*
Warwick Davis Gimli
Daniel Day-Lewis Aragorn
Leonardo DiCaprio unspecified
Vin Diesel Aragorn
Danny DeVito unspecified
Brad Dourif Wormtongue*
Robin Atkin Downes unspecified
Rupert Everett unspecified
Sadie Frost unspecified
Ethan Hawke Faramir
Bernard Hill Theoden
Ian Holm Bilbo*
Anthony Hopkins unspecified
Ashley Judd unspecified
Wi Kuki Kaa Ghân-buri-Ghân
Harvey Keitel unspecified
Jude Law unspecified
Nicholas Lea unspecified
Christopher Lee Saruman*
Christopher Lloyd unspecified
Ian McKellen Gandalf*
Patrick McGoohan unspecified
Kylie Minogue Galadriel
Dominic Monaghan Merry*
Viggo Mortensen Aragorn
Liam Neeson unspecified
Nick Nolte Eomer / Beregond
Craig Parker Haldir*
Keanu Reeves Aragorn
John Rhys-Davies Gimli*
Izabella Scorupco unspecified
Brian Sergent Ted Sandyman*
Andy Serkis Gollum*
Mira Sorvino unspecified
Timothy Spall Gimli
Terence Stamp unspecified
Patrick Stewart Gandalf / Denethor / Theoden
Paul Sutera Lotho Sackville-Baggins
Donald Sutherland Denethor
Elizabeth Taylor unspecified
Stuart Townsend Aragorn*
Uma Thurman Galadriel Eowyn
Verne Troyer unspecified
Liv Tyler Arwen*
David Wenham Faramir*
Bruce Willis Boromir
Kate Winslet Eowyn
Elijah Wood Frodo*
Peter Woodthorpe Gollum


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sherlock
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Feb 3 2012, 2:59pm

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Nuumeheruvi
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Feb 3 2012, 3:00pm

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I think some actors refer to a 'role they turned down' when it's more like 'I chose not to pursue it'. It really means about the same thing, I'm sure, to them and sometimes a simple answer - even if slightly misleading - is what works best for light interviews. I'm not sure we can assume that Cage was offered the job or that he even read for it.

It is also an ego thing. Most A or even B list actors really think that they can get any role they want because of who they are and who they know. This is not always the case... but happens more than we civilians realize. Hollywood producers and directors are more subject to this than their Kiwi counterparts obviously.


Darkstone
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Feb 3 2012, 3:11pm

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From IMDB trivia:

"A scene was cut from the finished film that showed Eowyn (Miranda Otto) stripping away her regular clothes and then dressing herself in the armor of a Rohan warrior."

*Darkstone bangs head against wall*


Tolkien Forever
Gondor

Feb 3 2012, 4:58pm

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Is this? [In reply to] Can't Post

Eowyn with the beard?

She looks like a dwarf woman! Crazy

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Rostron2
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Feb 3 2012, 6:35pm

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Lissuin
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Feb 3 2012, 6:36pm

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OMG Magpie! [In reply to] Can't Post

You are amazing! A real magpie (AH! Lightbulb moment)

I thought about referring the question to you for more in-depth info on Townsend from files at the Old TORn Site, but decided that wasn't fair because we always send the tough questions to you, so I just went to google to refresh my memory. Now the secret is out - you LOVE this stuff! And you know where to find it all - instantly! You must never leave us - ever! Are we clear on that?!
WeHeartMagpie!


Lissuin
Tol Eressea


Feb 3 2012, 6:44pm

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These photos are hysterical! [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks, Gramma!

Julia looks the part, but I hear the voice in my head! (aaargh!)

Yoda, however, is adorable. "Precious we are, yeeeees."


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ShyElf
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Feb 3 2012, 6:47pm

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OMG - those were great! [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks for the giggle!!!

Cheers!



Magpie
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Feb 3 2012, 7:09pm

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That list... [In reply to] Can't Post

Some of you may be aware of the TORn History Project which is getting developed with wiki software at The TORn Mathom-house.

I picked, almost at random, a topic to start researching by starting at the beginning of history (around April 1999) and browsing articles. A lot of the articles back then had to do with casting rumors, reports, and rumblings (as I called them) so I went about methodically collecting info on the subject. (as told through the lens of TORn... as we define it).

So all this info is at the Mathom-house with lots and lots of links and information. But, most of the pages at the Mathom-house are set to private until we get a little more content and clean the place up a little. That is happening in small, baby steps. If anyone here has an account with the wiki, they can sign in to see. If you don't, you'll have to wait a bit. Or volunteer to work on the project so you get an account! :-) (serious intentions only, please)

But, Townsend... lots of links on Townsend. Here's what I wrote in regards to Connery and Townsend:


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TORn's News Archives date back to April 10, 1999 and on April 12, the first casting rumor appeared: Tehanu, after meeting someone in the filming industry wrote, "The rumour about Sean Connery being involved is still going strong among actor circles here (in Wellington, NZ), she at least believes there is a strong possibility that it's true. Gandalf?" The number of LOTR casting 'rumors, rumblings, and reports' for Connery at TORN - which span April, 1999 to November, 2006 far exceed those for any other actor. (The number collected for Connery stands at 30. The next highest is for Ethan Hawke at 18. However, if we include post-casting rumors, Stuart Townsend would surpass Hawke and rival Connery.)


I will make that one page public. To read it, go here:
http://mathom-house.net/.../Main/StuartTownsend

None of the other Casting Rumors pages are public so you won't be able to access internal links. But you can access all the TORn News Archives links in the footnote section.

If you want to read more about the Mathom-house, you can go to this page:
http://mathom-house.net/
and follow the links you see there.

Back to Townsend. Because the wiki focuses on what TORn reported, it does not include this article I stumbled across a comment when researching cameo roles in the LOTR movies. The site was in Dutch, I believe. And it was an interview with a group of special effects makeup artists that were hired to work on the LOTR movies. One of them, Xander Forterie, portrayed a Dwarf in the prologue (start here: https://picasaweb.google.com/...#5506119770531221490 and click next a few times). In that interview, Forterie said (and what follows is the google translation of the original Dutch)

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[The work] went on far more professional than we were before accustomed to working in the Netherlands. Aragorn, for example, was originally played by another actor, but he had misbehaved on the set. He was immediately thrown out and Viggo Mortensen took his place. They were pretty strict.


The page this quote was on is now gone. I checked the internet archive and they never captured it. But I did take screenshots of both the original language and the google translation of the page (thank goodness). If anyone wants to see either, let me know and I'll find a way to share them.

I have not run across a similar sort of comment as Forterie made anywhere else. I don't know Forterie and can't vouch for his character (in terms of making stuff like this up). I don't think he would lie and he would have no reason to in this interview. But we have to consider that he could have the story wrong, or a bit misconstrued, or someone else was making something up that he later heard... or... that it's true but people in a higher up, more responsible (in the production team and cast) position couldn't or wouldn't say such a thing.. but Forterie didn't know he wasn't supposed to say anything.


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jschomburg
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Feb 3 2012, 7:42pm

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Danny DeVito unspecified - Scale Double? [In reply to] Can't Post

Actually that is not very nice, but I couldn't resist. Very interesting list. I had heard of some, but not nearly as many as you listed. I did also like Yoda as a possibility.

Thanks for the information.


Gwytha
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Feb 3 2012, 8:36pm

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I think I would have had trouble accepting any actor [In reply to] Can't Post

who had appeared in a lot of blockbuster type films. That might not be fair as there are probably some with the skill to play the part, but I would just have trouble with the over familiarity of it. I'm glad the films were cast mostly with actors I wasn't familiar with.

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Lissuin
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Feb 3 2012, 8:46pm

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*mods up*, Magpie Half-Elven! [In reply to] Can't Post

Let's hear it for the TORn history project, and here is an example of how useful it's going to be. That page about Stuart Townsend gives a summary and then sets out all the references. People can draw their own conclusions, not easy when dealing with filmworld rumor and innuendo.

Can't wait to have our own wiki. The Mathom-house looks brilliant!


Tolkien Forever
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Feb 3 2012, 10:45pm

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I bet [In reply to] Can't Post

Gwytha...

That if TLOR had been stocked with Brad Pitts, Tom Cruises & Sean Connery's, that now, we'd all be saying:

"thank God TLOR wasn't stocked with no-name actors. I'd have a hard time thinking of anybody but Brad Pitt playing Legolas & Tom Cruise as Aragorn. " Wink

It's just the way things get ingrained in us...

As I said in my previous post (or two): Danny Kaye as Vito Corleone?

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Rostron2
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Feb 3 2012, 11:00pm

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Not for me [In reply to] Can't Post

Half-known actors are far less distracting to me. Brad Pitt is a fine actor, but he would have been incredibly distracting even ten years ago. Besides, the girls got Orlando to swoon over, a relative unknown. They can all claim to have 'found him first' :)


Gwytha
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Feb 4 2012, 2:01am

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It would depend on how well they did at disappearing into the roles [In reply to] Can't Post

Meryl Streep can do that, but I can't really think of any other big name actors I've seen do that. It is true that in 1999 I was so grateful that the films were being made at all I probably would have accepted Brad Pitt without complaint(but not Tom Cruise). As I am still complaining about a few things PJ's LOTR films(which are still my favorite films of all time)I'm pretty sure I'd be capable of being unhappy with a different cast than what we got.

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grammaboodawg
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Feb 4 2012, 2:17am

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*mods up* What a list! [In reply to] Can't Post

Wow, Magpie! This is a treasure trove! I still cringe at even the hint of Uma Thurman in these films... which looked like a strong likelihood at one point.

Peter Woodthorpe has done an awesome Gollum, yet I'm very glad Andy came out for that audition ;) It would have been nice to see Woodthorpe have a place in the films, though.

Thanks for this! Wow!


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Kangi Ska
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Feb 4 2012, 2:19am

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Nic would have made a great Golem. Shave his head and a bit of makeup...

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Feb 4 2012, 3:08am

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that the line that PJ had cast Aragorn too young so they had to let Townsend go, was a cover for whatever really caused his departure. There was too much of a gap between Townsend leaving and the reason being released, and it just felt too much like a neutral reason that cast no aspersions on the actor.

Whatever actually happened, I doubt we'll know for sure.

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I guess I just like be very neutral myself when reporting what I've researched... leaving my own opinions out of it. But I personally buy Forterie's comment completely.


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more fun casting stuff : who was "msboyd" [In reply to] Can't Post

I just get too much enjoyment out of this sort of stuff to keep it to myself.

In researching (on the web in general) a particular article I found in the TORn News Archives, I came across these two tidbits about Billy Boyd:

From: Movie Mazzupial - 27 October 2011 - "About a Boyd"
http://moviemazz.blogspot.com/2011/10/about-boyd.html

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Boyd was the first actor cast in the Lord Of The Rings trilogy, a fact he was surprised to learn from Sir Ian McKellen (who played Gandalf).

“I had no idea until Ian mentioned it in this big speech he did at the end of filming,'' he said.

“I went on the internet straight afterwards and tried to figure out if it was true.

“When they started casting, everyone was up for it. Literally every actor you knew or spoke to was auditioning for Lord Of The Rings.

“I sent a tape in like everyone else and when I got asked to go down and meet Pete (Jackson) he said `the part's yours if you want it'.

“I said yes because it was Tolkien and it was Jackson and I was going to New Zealand for two years.''


From IGN - April 14, 2003 - "An Interview with Billy Boyd"
http://movies.ign.com/...es/393/393444p1.html (3rd page)

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IGNFF: How did Lord of the Rings come about?

BOYD: Very simply. I was living in Scotland, with this agent as I told you – Aude Powell is her name – she said they're making the Lord of the Rings, and one of the things about staying in Scotland is everything casts in London. So if you make the choice to stay out of London, it's part of a sort of a deal is I'll travel to London to go up for things. So she said, "Do you want to come down for this?" I said, "Definitely!" She said it's a trilogy – I thought that would be amazing. But, you know, everyone was up for it. So I just went down, met with the casting director ... I went on tape, reading Merry and Pippin, reading a scene once as Pippin, once as Merry, on a tape. And that tape was sent off to New Zealand, to Pete, along with everyone else who auditioned for it. About a month later, Pete was in London after being in L.A. and New York and on his way to Sydney and a few other places, I think. And he was meeting the people that he'd like to meet for each character, and I was one of the people that he wanted to meet for Pippin. I went in, and he had a few scenes with him.
(lots more at IGN)



from TORn - May 14th, 1999 -"Merry and Pippin casting search?"
http://www.theonering.net/...ppin-casting-search/

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msboyd chimed in a couple of days ago with some interesting news, it seems some friends of hers are being looked over for some major characters.

News has come from spies in the theatrical world in London. PJ has been looking around and auditioning some of the bright young talents there, some of them still not yet out of drama school. It looks like we’re going to see fresh faces playing roles like Pippin and Merry.


Since finding that TORn article a year ago... I've always wondered who "msboyd" really was.


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Feb 4 2012, 4:20am

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And while nobody in the cast said anything much about it, they also didn't seem very sad about his leaving and embraced Viggo entirely in very short order, which also indicates that all was not well on the set.

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People here are just plain evil! Angelic

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collected from news archives from April 1999 to roughly Dec 2001 (some reports are from a later time but I have not thoroughly scoured the news archives for the time after Dec 2001)

Some of these were misunderstood statements from the actor. Some where wishful thinking on the fans parts. Other reports were more substantial and probably indicated serious talks between the actor and producers.

ACTOR RUMORED ROLE (*cast)
Ben Affleck unspecified
Sean Astin Sam Gamgee*
Tom Baker Gandalf
Sean Bean Boromir*
Cate Blanchett Galadriel*
Orlando Bloom Legolas*
Billy Boyd Pippin*
Pierce Brosnan Aragorn
Steve Buscemi Gollum
Jason Carter Aragorn
Claudia Christian unspecified
Sean Connery Gandalf
Jeffrey Combs Wormtongue
Kevin Conway Theoden*
Joshua Cox Faramir
Marton Csokas Celeborn*
Warwick Davis Gimli
Daniel Day-Lewis Aragorn
Leonardo DiCaprio unspecified
Vin Diesel Aragorn
Danny DeVito unspecified
Brad Dourif Wormtongue*
Robin Atkin Downes unspecified
Rupert Everett unspecified
Sadie Frost unspecified
Ethan Hawke Faramir
Bernard Hill Theoden
Ian Holm Bilbo*
Anthony Hopkins unspecified
Ashley Judd unspecified
Wi Kuki Kaa Ghân-buri-Ghân
Harvey Keitel unspecified
Jude Law unspecified
Nicholas Lea unspecified
Christopher Lee Saruman*
Christopher Lloyd unspecified
Ian McKellen Gandalf*
Patrick McGoohan unspecified
Kylie Minogue Galadriel
Dominic Monaghan Merry*
Viggo Mortensen Aragorn
Liam Neeson unspecified
Nick Nolte Eomer / Beregond
Craig Parker Haldir*
Keanu Reeves Aragorn
John Rhys-Davies Gimli*
Izabella Scorupco unspecified
Brian Sergent Ted Sandyman*
Andy Serkis Gollum*
Mira Sorvino unspecified
Timothy Spall Gimli
Terence Stamp unspecified
Patrick Stewart Gandalf / Denethor / Theoden
Paul Sutera Lotho Sackville-Baggins
Donald Sutherland Denethor
Elizabeth Taylor unspecified
Stuart Townsend Aragorn*
Uma Thurman Galadriel Eowyn
Verne Troyer unspecified
Liv Tyler Arwen*
David Wenham Faramir*
Bruce Willis Boromir
Kate Winslet Eowyn
Elijah Wood Frodo*
Peter Woodthorpe Gollum



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Feb 5 2012, 1:50am

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He's like my favorite actor! (After the whole lotr crew.) That would have been too awesome. Except that I would kill if anyone was Gorny but Viggo. It would be neat if he was, say, Haldir or someone.


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Feb 5 2012, 2:39am

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Kevin Conway was cast as Theoden and quit (presumably before filming his role began) [In reply to] Can't Post

From the Mathom-house article:

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Early October, Ain't It Cool News leaked a casting list that was due to be officially released the following day. TORn had been provided the same info but had been asked to wait (and did) until after the press release was officially published to post the names. One name not previously rumored was that of Kevin Conway for the role of Theoden. However, when the official New Line Press Release was published on TORn (the same day), neither Conway nor Theoden was mentioned.

In February, 2000, Bernard Hill stated he had been cast for an unspecified part in the LOTR films. TORn placed some calls to unknown people and received confirmation that Hill would be in the films as 'Theodus, or something Greek like that.' When asked, the contact was sure it wasn't Theoden and Xoanon didn't think it could be Theoden, either, since it was known that Kevin Conway was playing Theoden. Xoanon reported in March that 'very reliable sources' were telling him that Bernard Hill may have been cast as Theoden. If this was the case, Xoanon wondered, what role did Kevin Conway have?

Six months from the start of principal photography, TORn recapped the LOTR film project by saying Kevin Conway had been rumored for Denethor but that role was now confirmed as belonging to John Noble. A cast list published in a a French movie magazine indicated Kevin Conway was playing Theoden.

The final answer came in July, 2000 when during an interview, Conway said he had been 'attached' to the project but 'pulled out' because of the on and off shooting schedule for his character; it didn't seem worth it for only being in two of the films; and he also felt a stuntman could do what was required for the role of Theoden.

Conway's status of an actor who "could have been in LOTR" (along with many others) was recapped in a January, 2003 TORn article.


I've made the wiki page public in case you want to access it the links to the original TORn News Articles
http://mathom-house.net/...php/Main/KevinConway

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Feb 5 2012, 3:24am

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and regretted not taking on that 'stuntman' role.

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Feb 5 2012, 3:43am

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It's my general impression, from perusing the old news archives, that a lot of established artists didn't take the idea of LOTR very seriously. It's true that fantasy didn't have the best track record in movies. And I think the schedule which required the major actors to pretty much relocate to NZ for an extended period of time was a real turn off for people who had families and established lives.

Here's what Conway said in June 2000:


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...and contrary to rumor, Conway will NOT be in Peter Jackson’s massive Lord of the Rings trilogy. That’s not to say the rumor mill was inaccurate in reporting that he, at one point, had been attached to the project. "I pulled out of Lord of the Rings, which may yet prove to be one of the bad mistakes in my career, and I’ve made alot of them," he says. "I was upfront with [the filmmakers]. they offered me the role of Theoden, which is a wonderful part. But... their schedule. They wanted me to go out in January to New Zealand for six weeks, then go home, then go back again for another six weeks, then go home again and then come back again for three months. I said, ‘Whoa!’ The character is in two of the films. It wasn’t worth it. He has a couple of good scenes, but the rest is all battling with armor and stuff. You could have a stuntman do that, which they probably would have done anyway. But I really suffered about it"


And here's what he said a month later:


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KevinConway: The quick answer for that (pulling out of LOTR) is, I was set to do it, they were going to pay a ton of money for that. The unresolved problem was the schedule. They're doing ALL of it, so a three year off and on commitment for me, it would have been a year and a half about with small breaks of 3 weeks, a month here, 3 weeks there. I wouldn't have been able to do anything else. I couldn't do it, I backed out of it. I saw myself sitting in New Zealand for like a month between shots, or flying back to NY then flying back to New Zealand after a couple of weeks. There's no way to adjust the schedule, I knew I would be miserable. I left them plenty of time to recast, I don't know who they recast. I've been to New Zealand already, bungee jumped off a cliff. I didn't think I could do it, it was really exciting, I liked it because I'm a little afraid of heights, so this was a good way to crash through that. I was showing off, there was a guy with us who was one of those know-it-all guys and I think it was more male testosterone check than it was anything, I didn't want to jump off a cliff, but this guy kept saying how dumb it was. I was going to play Theoden, a King.

Interviewer: You as Theoden would have been spectacular. They settled for Bernard Hill (Cap'n Smith in "Titanic").

KevinConway: The bad guy was going to make me depressed, I was going to be killed, I couldn't understand why it would take them a year and a half. I'd be there right now.

KevinConway: The really depressing part is that he's got to be 20 years older than me. So that's how they saw me, as an old ...

KevinConway: I do have a white beard though, unfortunately prematurely whitened. I don't know anything about him as an actor, I couldn't sit through Titanic. I worked with Leo in Quick and the Dead, he's a wonderful young actor, but I just got really tired of the story. There's no way it needed to be 3 and a half hours long. That's one of my main bones to pick, is the length of movies nowadays. You can't go to a movie that' s under 3 hours, there's something wrong with that. Lawrence of Arabia NEEDED to be 3 hours. Dr. Zhivago needed to be 3 hours, but not some of these other movies with a fairly straightforward story, I don't think.


I wrote this in an old post on LOTR Movie:

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You know how many of us feel that the right people are found for Tolkien projects? Well, maybe this is a case of the wrong people being tested and spit out. One wonders how much winging and doubting like this kept other people from wanting to be involved in the project or even backing out after saying they would be involved.

And I keep thinking about the good bye haka that the stunties gave Viggo and Bernard. What a lovely resolution of that early drama.


sources for quotes:
http://www.theonering.net/...onway-not-in-lotr-2/

http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art5154.asp


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Feb 5 2012, 4:21am

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to soothe the worries of those who are convinced that actors talking about "a year's commitment" means greatly expanded roles:


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The unresolved problem was the schedule. They're doing ALL of it, so a three year off and on commitment for me, it would have been a year and a half about with small breaks of 3 weeks, a month here, 3 weeks there. I wouldn't have been able to do anything else.

The same thing is happening with Hobbit schedules, with the addition of breaks between blocks of filming. A small part can remain a small part and still take a year to film off and on with no break really big enough to do other things. This is exactly what Saoirse Ronan was talking about when she decided not to sign on for the project. Those who are only going down for brief segments of filming are likely to be little more than cameos.

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Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
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Feb 5 2012, 6:40am

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Cage, Interesting. . . [In reply to] Can't Post

It is difficult for me to imagine Cage in a major LOTR role (like Aragorn) but I don't have any problems imagining him in a minor elf lord role or as a man of Gondor.

He's kooky but I've always liked him as an actor.

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Feb 5 2012, 10:31am

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My name is Aragorn. Ranger Aragorn.

Brosnan as Aragorn ? No thanks.

Day-Lewis would have made a good Aragorn. And Connery a good Gandalf. Other that that not convinced by that list.


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Daniel Day Lewis... [In reply to] Can't Post

was apparently fairly aggressively pursued and was having none of it ... if the 'rumblings' were to be trusted at all... and of those I read, the ones about DDL came from the more 'trusted' end of the continuum than others.

Of course, Connery's comments on the subject are fairly well known.

Ethan Hawke was another strong candidate and my impression is was offered (or was close to being offered) and turned down the role. His comments indicate Uma was also in talks although I'm not sure if her negotiations reached the same level as his.


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Feb 7 2012, 3:43pm

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... Gandalf, Denethor AND Theoden? Wink


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In late August, 1999, a rumor from another Tolkien fansite surfaced that Weta Digital was using Steve Buscemi as a model for testing Gollum's facial expressions and lip synching. Xoanon doesn't believe that anyone connected with Weta would divulge information like this. 1 Michael De Luca denies this say, "Nope, he's some unknown Brit." (Buscemi being American) 2 Although TORn takes it to be a complete refutation, it's unclear from the one sentence quoted whether De Luca is refuting any use of Buscemi as a test model or only saying that the final cast actor was not Buscemi. The original rumor did not imply that Buscemi was complicit in the reported modeling. It could have been performed on existing film footage of the actor without that actor's knowledge.


http://www.theonering.net/torwp/1999/08/28/22127-steve-buscemi-as-gollum/

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