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A cool little article about barrel scenes being filmed in rapids yesterday...

Owain
Tol Eressea


Jan 25 2012, 4:32pm

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A cool little article about barrel scenes being filmed in rapids yesterday... Can't Post

http://www.rotoruadailypost.co.nz/...e-to-hobbit/1249290/

There's a pic of the barrels bouncing around in the rapids.

No actors were present.

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

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TomthePilgrim
Rohan


Jan 25 2012, 4:47pm

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Huh . . . well, that doesn't look right! [In reply to] Can't Post

No way Bilbo is riding a barrel through that.

I'll have to say that I never (EVER) envisioned the barrels in any environment close to that.

"I am Gandalf, and Gandalf means me!"

The Road goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Road has gone,
And I must follow, if I can,


Owain
Tol Eressea


Jan 25 2012, 4:49pm

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Look's like the dwarves are going to be really sore... [In reply to] Can't Post

when they get out of those barrels.

Laugh

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TomthePilgrim
Rohan


Jan 25 2012, 4:50pm

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BTW . . . good catch on the article . . . it's a good news day in Middle Earth! [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Down from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Road has gone,
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DanielLB
Immortal


Jan 25 2012, 5:45pm

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Rapids [In reply to] Can't Post

It may not make it to the final cut. In the last video blog from PJ we saw shots of them currently filming thoose scenes. So are these just pick-up shots? I may have missed it in the article, but are they filming simply for that rapid (effect). They may have filmed both upstream and downstream of this particular photograph.


TomthePilgrim
Rohan


Jan 25 2012, 5:55pm

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I hope you're right . . . . . . . . . [In reply to] Can't Post

 

"I am Gandalf, and Gandalf means me!"

The Road goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Road has gone,
And I must follow, if I can,


Darkstone
Immortal


Jan 25 2012, 5:57pm

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Perfect! [In reply to] Can't Post

"'Over rapid, over sand,
South away! And south away!'"
-Chapter 9, Barrels Out of Bond

"All he knew was that the river seemed to go on and on and on for ever, and he was hungry, and had a nasty cold in the nose, and did not like the way the Mountain seemed to frown at him and threaten him as it drew ever nearer. After a while, however, the river took a more southerly course and the Mountain receded again, and at last, late in the day the shores grew rocky, the river gathered all its wandering waters together into a deep and rapid flood, and they swept along at great speed."
-Chapter 10, A Warm Welcome

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"Oh, Gandalf, Gandalf, you fool! Canít you see how I feel?"
"Yeah, I see. I see our troubles donít amount to a hill of beans. You belong with Celeborn. And I need to go find the only one who can save us."



DanielLB
Immortal


Jan 25 2012, 6:01pm

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Yes [In reply to] Can't Post

I always imagined that the river course involved some sort of rapids. Especially as it describes how the Dwarves had been bashed about and bruised.


DanielLB
Immortal


Jan 25 2012, 6:01pm

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I wouldn't worry too much [In reply to] Can't Post

Smile There's plenty of outcomes/explanations.

Edit: Is your concern more that you didn't imagine a rapid environment, or that Bilbo wouldn't be able to hold on?


(This post was edited by DanielLB on Jan 25 2012, 6:05pm)


Nightingale
Rohan


Jan 25 2012, 6:03pm

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Thanks for finding [In reply to] Can't Post

the relevant quotes so quickly Darkstone. Puts it in context.
Well done on the article spot Owain! This film is going to be so good... just seeing that picture is exciting. It really gives a flavour of the finished product. Smile




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Owain
Tol Eressea


Jan 25 2012, 6:04pm

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Great passage, Darkstone! // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

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Lissuin
Tol Eressea


Jan 25 2012, 6:15pm

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Back to the source once again. [In reply to] Can't Post

Those folks really do try to get the look right.

Somehow I don't think this site will be an easy one to access in The Hobbit Location Guidebook.


TomthePilgrim
Rohan


Jan 25 2012, 6:28pm

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Um, that may not be quite in context . . . [In reply to] Can't Post

"'Over rapid, over sand,
South away! And south away!'"
. . . as that bit is from the song the elves sing while dropping the barrels into the water. (Had to double check . . . I didn't remember that part . . . it was in the song, and I have always ignored a few of the songs)

". . . the river gathered all its wandering waters together into a deep and rapid flood, and they swept along at great speed."
. . . a "rapid flood" doesn't mean Type 2 or 3 rapids. Also, I believe, during this time Bilbo maintained his perch on the top of a partially flooded barrel. 'Fast moving, rapid' is one thing . . . 'rapids' are something entirely different.

"I am Gandalf, and Gandalf means me!"

The Road goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Road has gone,
And I must follow, if I can,


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Jan 25 2012, 8:25pm

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So these barrels will be upright not horizontal? [In reply to] Can't Post

I always imagined them sideways. I'll have to check to book to see if there are any clues which way up they should be.,,

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Owain
Tol Eressea


Jan 25 2012, 8:26pm

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I'm guessing they will tumble all about.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

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QuackingTroll
Valinor


Jan 25 2012, 8:59pm

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Tolkien's illustration... [In reply to] Can't Post

I remember the barrel Bilbo was on tumbled about until it took on some water which kept it steady. According to Tolkien's illustration it was horizontal. But both makes sense...

http://www.tikkun.org/...ilbo-on-barrels2.jpg

I'll also share this image just because I like it...

http://alan-lee.narod.ru/...es/lee-hobbit_16.jpg

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Owain
Tol Eressea


Jan 25 2012, 9:01pm

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Oh great pic! Thanks for sharing.// [In reply to] Can't Post

I have The Hobbit from 70's hardback which has some illustrations but I don't remember this one...

Very cool!

Smile

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DanielLB
Immortal


Jan 25 2012, 9:10pm

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I always imagine the barrels like the second picture you attached [In reply to] Can't Post

It makes sense for them to be vertical and horizontal depending on contents (dwarf or no dwarf), whether they are broken (water logged or not), weight of contents, and ultimately centre of gravity.


Owain
Tol Eressea


Jan 25 2012, 9:12pm

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Also... production side note... [In reply to] Can't Post

but I couldn't help but notice that massive crane jib sticking out over the water.

Epic indeed.

Laugh

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

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TomthePilgrim
Rohan


Jan 25 2012, 9:30pm

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Good pics! [In reply to] Can't Post

Don't remember ever seeing the Alan Lee version before . . .

I've always seen the barrel ride as the first one, which I believe is the work of Prof. Tolkien himself.

"I am Gandalf, and Gandalf means me!"

The Road goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Road has gone,
And I must follow, if I can,


Rostron2
Gondor


Jan 26 2012, 12:06am

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Nice! [In reply to] Can't Post

Yeah , no actors SURVIVED the rapids. LOL


(This post was edited by Rostron2 on Jan 26 2012, 12:08am)


easterlingchief1
Rivendell

Jan 26 2012, 12:20am

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Saw this location in NZ. Awesome spot [In reply to] Can't Post

It's the sluice gate for the hydrodynamic system they have stablished in the country (New Zealand being a completely non-nuclear state and all) and every week (Sunday, I believe) they have to open the sluice so the river doesn't overflow. It's incredibly awesome when they do this. This massive gaping, rocky gorge of a riverbed is filled by a torrent of rushing water in a matter of minute.

And, frankly, I like the look of this for the Hobbit. The fact that the rapids are humongous (especially to a hobbit) would definitely play up the whole "we leapt out of the frying pan and into the fire" aspect of escaping the Elvenking's Halls.


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Jan 26 2012, 4:39pm

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I like the look too [In reply to] Can't Post

It's perhaps more dramatic than what we expected, but it's forgivable. Imagining all the difficulties Bilbo had trying to ride the barrels while in a swiftly flowing river worked on book, but it might need some upping to look just as difficult on film too. Especially if it's going to be part of the climax.

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TomthePilgrim
Rohan


Jan 26 2012, 4:46pm

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Huh . . . just had a thought. [In reply to] Can't Post

PJ uses a .75 to 1 ratio for the difference between humans and hobbits. (I think it's closer to 1.66, but that's beside the point)

Imagine . . . someone down in the NZ is making a whole bunch of big, over-sized barrels!

"I am Gandalf, and Gandalf means me!"

The Road goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Road has gone,
And I must follow, if I can,


Owain
Tol Eressea


Jan 26 2012, 5:28pm

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Really great info... I've never been to NZ... [In reply to] Can't Post

Really want to go and visit all of the LOTR and TH sites someday soon.

Smile

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


DanielLB
Immortal


Jan 26 2012, 6:04pm

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Same! One day, hopefully! [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Sunflower
Valinor

Jan 27 2012, 2:42am

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Wow. [In reply to] Can't Post

That pic looks like an Alan Lee illustration all in itself. Note the gracefully curving line of the barrels from upper right to lower left...that's how I imagine a painter would render them. Then, your eyes pan up and there's that jib!

I want to see if this pic can be enlarged....it would make a fantastic calendar pic.


Moahunter
Rohan


Jan 27 2012, 6:29am

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Camera on the end of the jib? [In reply to] Can't Post

I assume that's what its there for rather than literally being a crane for handling the barrels.
Saw a couple when I was in the place I can't talk about. Very, very expensive bits of gear, not something you would want falling into that water.


easterlingchief1
Rivendell

Jan 27 2012, 6:57am

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It's an awesome place [In reply to] Can't Post

But then again, I think everyone on here knew that already Wink

If you ever make it out there, the rapids are not far away from Lake Taupo, the largest lake in the country (great fishing, btw). The whole surrounding area, except for the reservoir, is gorgeous temperate forest. It's like you stepped into Rivendell.


titanium_hobbit
Rohan


Jan 28 2012, 2:01am

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raft elve's village [In reply to] Can't Post

I wonder if we'll get to see the Raft Elves' village on screen, (and Bilbo stealing a pie and generally being a poltergiest and putting the village in uproar) or if the Barrels will proceed from the hall of the Elvenking directly to Lake town.

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Owain
Tol Eressea


Jan 28 2012, 10:21pm

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That would be fun... always did like that little part with the pie.// [In reply to] Can't Post

Smile

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