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marillaraina
Rohan
Jul 18 2011, 3:50am
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...but not in the heart! This is an intimidating Thorin. As he should be! And now we know the answer to the mystery of Kili: he resembles his uncle! The whole group together, here? Thank you! I said as soon as we saw Kili that I could easily imagine a young Thorin looking much the same, so I figured between Fili and Kili we were sort of seeing the route to Thorin. Thorin and Kili's coloring is similar, don't think Kili has as much of a widow's peak but admittedly it's hard to tell with the wind machine. :) Fili seems to have the widow's peak and more of the nose(though Kili's does seem to have a bit of business done to it). Kili has the "glower", albeit more of a copy than the real thing(as it should be, he's a relatively sheltered young dwarf). IMO there is definitely a story reason for the way they look.
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SirDennisC
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Jul 18 2011, 4:08am
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Orcrist's detailing does resemble that of Sting
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but the shape of the blade appears more sabre-like (like Hadhafang) than leaf bladed (like Sting) or long sword-y (like Glamdring). I cant wait to see its entire length (that's what she said?) Back in July 2009 we had a brief discussion about Sting, Glamdring and Orcrist. Back then I suggested Orcrist would be similar to an Asian Dao. The sword Thorin holds appears wider and heavier below the fuller (on the cutting edge) towards the point... excellent for cleaving Orcs! Of course I could be way off, Orcrist might look nothing like this:
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Phibbus
Rohan
Jul 18 2011, 4:15am
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Yes, the link worked and showed Glamdring clearly. While it looks like it and Orcrist may share the same, slightly flaring, "leaf" blade shape, the similarity in hilts between the new sword and Sting is certainly more readily apparent. Perhaps, while the two swords are conceived as "mates" to be wielded by two different owners, they've conceptualized Orcrist and Sting as a matched sword and dagger set originally worn by the same person. I've been wondering, given that they're going to give us some dwarf-history flashbacks, whether they'll be tempted to do the same to illustrate the history of the blades. Back when Itaril was first leaked, I had speculated elsewhere that maybe she actually was the character of Idril, to be used precisely in such an illustrative flashback. While I was of course wrong, and while Jackson doesn't have rights to any Silmarillion material, the rights agreement Tolkien originally signed does have a stipulation allowing the filmmakers to draw on any "related" writings as they pertain to TH and LotR, and it might be interesting to see a bit of the Gondolin-Goblin war. It would also be interesting to see a reason put forward as to why Elrond doesn't ask for his Great-grandpa's and (possibly) Grandma's swords back, at any rate
Man is but an ass if he go about to expound this dream.
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Faenoriel
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Jul 18 2011, 4:17am
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I'm curious about how a Dwarf will be able to wield a sword made for an Elf
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Wouldn't it be too long? Not that I really understand anything about swords..
Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster
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Wraith Buster
Gondor
Jul 18 2011, 4:19am
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Pedich Edhellen? Lau? Hria cuilë. End of line.
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SirDennisC
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Jul 18 2011, 4:25am
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But all of them have rather long weapons, heavier at the end like axes or hammers. The trick with swords is to work in a slicing motion though. Consider two handed great swords such as the famous Braveheart claymore... maybe in the hands of Thorin Orcrist will be proportionately similar? Definitely will take some strength and a wide stance to wield.
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Phibbus
Rohan
Jul 18 2011, 4:29am
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So you're seeing a scimitar shape, Dennis? I thought that curve to the blade was part of the leaf shape, now I'm not so sure. I'm trying to discern whether the riser ridge has a curve to it, but I can't quite tell.
Man is but an ass if he go about to expound this dream.
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arphen
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Jul 18 2011, 4:33am
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I agree with you completely. A fine explanation of why robust beards are so imperative to dwarves.
Brannon nín cuia
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SirDennisC
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Jul 18 2011, 4:34am
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The scabbard and cross guard too
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suggest an asymmetrical design. It may yet turn out to be a leaf bladed sword though... I really wish we could see more of it, heh. (Still, I am thrilled that PJ remembered us for this one!)
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Earl
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Jul 18 2011, 7:08am
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Amazing! Though I'm wondering why the writing is in runes
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Isn't Orcrist supposed to be an Elvish blade? Why would Elves use the Dwarf-runes for inscribing their swords? Hmm...
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Briza
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Jul 18 2011, 7:09am
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Re:I'm curious about how a Dwarf will be able to wield a sword made for an Elf by Faenoriel
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Orcrist is a well made and balanced sword, it would not weigh more then a few lbs. At a guess maybe 2-3lb, so Thorin would have little problem wielding it. I think the main problem would be his pride, and wither he could bring himself to use a elven weapon. In saying that, the Weapons used by the other dwarves all look quite crude, so Thorin would recognize the quality of the workmanship in Orcrist hence his decision to use it.
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Rufus
Bree
Jul 18 2011, 7:09am
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That in the cold light of morming I still love this look for Thorin
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dormouse
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Jul 18 2011, 7:16am
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.... or at least, if it is, we're both sad. The one I regret - more now, as I see composite pictures of the whole group, is Bombur. He just doesn't seem to fit. No beard, that bizarre plait and the pantomime costume. But I'm sure I'll get used to him!
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Earl
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Jul 18 2011, 7:19am
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And this is why I should've read the entire thread *before* asking my previous question
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Spencissimus
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Jul 18 2011, 7:19am
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I know you have your gripes with Thorin's appearance, and that's cool, but if you had nothing to go by except a description of his character traits (greed, determination etc.) - no physical description of Thorin, or of what a Tolkienesque dwarf should look like - would you say that this visual interpretation of Thorin fits the kind of character Tolkien wrote him as?
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Earl
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Jul 18 2011, 7:21am
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It looks like the pommel is only half a curve...
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... and the other half of the curve is the scabbard. That probably didn't make sense, did it?
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vigshane
The Shire
Jul 18 2011, 7:29am
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For two weeks, the first thing I did in the morning was opening TORN's page and seeing if there was any picture of the Dwarves. And today, I'm so glad to see TORN giving the world the first look at Thorin! Though I'm not one of TORN's staff, I still had a strong feeling of honour on that! I want to thank you for all you have done these years and Congratulations!
Always being a Ringer!
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Elizabeth
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Jul 18 2011, 7:35am
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Join us in the Reading Room for "The Return of the King" Book V! starting now! Elizabeth is the TORnsib formerly known as 'erather'
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Earl
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Jul 18 2011, 7:37am
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They could go, "Don't water your beard, Father Christmas", and totally direct it at Balin
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Patty
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Jul 18 2011, 8:46am
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Kangi, you voice my feelings exactly.
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Yes, I think he looks like a Klingon. But I'm confident that that's just because it's a still--in action, I'm sure that comparison will go away really quickly. Some of it has to do with his costume, though. Were Klingons also workers in metal ? (wasn't a huge Star Trek fan after TOS). But he needs more gray hair to be believable to me. He doesn't have to have nearly as much as Balin--people gray at different stages, so I see no reason why dwarves wouldn't. But he definitely needs more gray than this. And a longer beard with a little more gray.
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Compa_Mighty
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Jul 18 2011, 8:52am
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Surely by now everything's been said, I'm late in posting, but here is my take on several things: 1. Thorin looks great! 2. As said, not too young, not too old! 3. Orcrist is incredibly beautiful. 4. (why isn't Glamdring like this?) Not in beauty, but similar in style to Sting and Orcrist. 5. the great serpent, Smaug. Serpent, not dragon. Did Tolkien ever use "serpent". I know of course they wouldn't use Tolkien's term "worm" for a massive press release. 6. I'm not sure if he looks human, Aragorn-esque, Pirate-ish or something, but I generally like the look. 7. I'm really intrigued about Thrain, Thror and most of all Dain, now. (and his 500 Dwarves, by the way). Congrats to TORn on getting the exclusive!
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duats
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Jul 18 2011, 9:14am
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Tolkien barely gives Thorin physical descriptions as it is, and this is still nowhere close to what I was picturing.
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