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bookgirl13
Lorien


Jul 15 2011, 5:55pm

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Yes, they appear to look alike [In reply to] Can't Post

From the very blurry shot that we saw in Empire Magazine.


Phibbus
Rohan


Jul 15 2011, 5:57pm

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Good point... [In reply to] Can't Post

and one I was going to raise earlier. I think Balin's costume is not so much actually Oriental as it is Orientalizing. It reflects that 19th-century rage for all things Eastern and exotic... which ideas were usually reinterpreted into something far less authentic than impressionistic and fanciful.


Patty
Immortal


Jul 15 2011, 5:59pm

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Thanks, Pipe dream... [In reply to] Can't Post

we can always count on you!

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redgiraffe
Rohan

Jul 15 2011, 6:03pm

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Yeah I agree [In reply to] Can't Post

Balin's costume seems to have that sort of Eastern or Asian feel to it. It just looks like it's got that "eastern" influence. Strange thing too is that I remember the theme for Lothlorien having a big eastern (i think it was specifically Indian) type of influence. If you go back and listen to where the fellowship enters the forest before they meet with the elves you can hear what sounds kind of like an esraj.

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(This post was edited by redgiraffe on Jul 15 2011, 6:05pm)


Gimli1252
Bree


Jul 15 2011, 6:21pm

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high res for balin and dwalin...????anybody...??? [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Patty
Immortal


Jul 15 2011, 6:23pm

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It's been a while since I read the book... [In reply to] Can't Post

was Balin older than Thorin? If not, shouldn't we logically be able to assume RA should look older? But I doubt he will.

Age is good. Or at least, it beats the alternative.Angelic

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marillaraina
Rohan

Jul 15 2011, 6:25pm

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Well, Ken Scott playing Balin is only 5'7, so he's pretty much the shortest dwarf, which makes Graham McTavish (Dwaling) look taller, because he's over 6ft, yet shorter than Richard Armitage (Thorin).


The dwarves probably have roughly the actors height differences. McTavish is tall, Scott is fairly small-ish so put them next to each other and it looks like a "tall dwarf" when really, it's a short dwarf standing next to a shorter dwarf, in the wider outlook. So we can assume that Dean O'Gorman is a bit shorter than Aidan Turner, thus Kili looks "tall" because he's taller than Fili but I'm sure he's going to look plenty short when put into context. LOL McTavish is over 6 ft., Turner is 6ft, Armitage is supposed to be around 6 ft 2 though I've always wondered if he's a bit taller, maybe he's just been lucky enough to work with a lot of short actors that makes him look bigger. LOL


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jul 15 2011, 6:26pm

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Thorin was the oldest.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Buchanicus
Lorien


Jul 15 2011, 6:31pm

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As a paid-up member of the "cheery brigade", I may be a minority of one, but I just don't have the energy to get involved in the kind of aggressive point-scoring that seems to pass for discussion a lot of the time on this board.



I concur.

The main thing that bothers me is when people post in "absolutes". That their strong-opinions are fact, and depending on whether or not you agree or disagree places you into this group or that. It drives me crazy, and it is always something that can be allieviated by including "in my opinion..." or "My thoughts are..." or "For my tastes...".

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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Jul 15 2011, 6:32pm

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Looking good again... [In reply to] Can't Post

It seems as predicted on the boards, Balin will be the "elder statesman" and experianced Dwarf Lord of the group, while Dwalin will be the "ultimate warrior".

BTW, Balin has doubts about retaking the Lonely Mountain, but going back to Moria seems like a fantastic idea?!

Probably the success of Thorin & CO. dispatching with Smaug will change Balin's mind...for the worse, obviously...

I would rather be watching Peter Jackson's "The Hobbit" and Ridley Scott's "Prometheus"...it's going to be a long few years.

(This post was edited by Captain Salt on Jul 15 2011, 6:33pm)


Gandalf'sMother
Rohan

Jul 15 2011, 6:32pm

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In the LOTR Appendices... [In reply to] Can't Post

Thorin is described as being older than Balin. Since Balin was described in the Hobbit as (and I paraphrase) very old, with a snow white beard tucked in his belt, it is safe and reasonable to assume that Thorin looked either older than Balin, or at least looked quite old. So, if they go with a young Thorin, it will not be consistent with the Thorin described in Tolkien's universe.


Buchanicus
Lorien


Jul 15 2011, 6:32pm

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Definitely. [In reply to] Can't Post


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We all need to learn to express ourselves without demanding that everyone else agree with us, and without sneering and looking down our noses at those who disagree.


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Patty
Immortal


Jul 15 2011, 6:38pm

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Ah, thank you! [In reply to] Can't Post

I know it's past time for me to re-read the books, but my sleeping patterns stay so out of whack that I'm usually too sleepy to do much good reading anymore and concentrate--that's why I listen to audiobooks mostly.

I'm glad Balin looks as old as he does, then, but it will be a little off to see RA looking so much younger than Balin. I assume he is the second eldest?

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sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea

Jul 15 2011, 6:39pm

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thorin and kili, dut frome the same jib? [In reply to] Can't Post

you may be right-- i hadn't looked at the bag-end photos in a week or so and was going from memory. what thorin seems to have going for him is maybe his hair and beard(kinda hard to tell from that photo though), but his nose looks a little too human, which is my main problem with kili (along with that wind-blown, beautiful, lustrous hair).

it's just that kili is such obvious chick bait, and thorin (from the admittedly blurry photo) seems to be heading into classic leading man territory, which makes more sense to me. just as long as he's not *too* pretty.

i guess we'll know soon enough.


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jul 15 2011, 6:48pm

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I am in the middle of the Audio-book of The Hobbit now. [In reply to] Can't Post

I think the production was worried that the general population would not buy an older looking Thorin. I keep thinking: But he is a Tolkien Dwarf his hair color does not matter.Evil

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chrismortega
Bree


Jul 15 2011, 6:49pm

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Better photoshopped image of all the dwarves + bilbo and gandalf [In reply to] Can't Post

http://i.imgur.com/VOc7X.jpg

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Phibbus
Rohan


Jul 15 2011, 6:49pm

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BTW, Balin has doubts about retaking the Lonely Mountain, but going back to Moria seems like a fantastic idea?!

Probably the success of Thorin & CO. dispatching with Smaug will change Balin's mind...for the worse, obviously...

Dwarves are prone to the vagaries of inductive reasoning. You get spoiled when your troupe all narrowly escape annihilation a dozen times during the course of one book.


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jul 15 2011, 6:57pm

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Balin is a Dwarf [In reply to] Can't Post

don't let his appearance fool you.


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DrDeath153
Lorien

Jul 15 2011, 7:01pm

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Yes, but it's still only a hint [In reply to] Can't Post

Trust me, i would love the smoking gun to be there, but in terms of Thorin's own descriptions there is no explicit reference either to him looking 'old' nor the colour of his beard. What the books don't say obviously is about as tenuous a justification you can get, but much to my personal chagrin the active reference to Thorin's appearance in that regard doesn't exist. That said i shall provide the hints i did find:


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Not without a mighty warrior, even a Hero. I tried to find one; but warriors are busy fighting one another in distant lands


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'Don't dip your beard in the foam, father!' They cried to Thorin who was bent almost onto his hands and knees. 'It is long enough without watering it.'


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It was so dark he could only just see Thorin's beard wagging beside him


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You would have laughed (from a safe distance), if you had seen the dwarves sitting up in the trees with their beards hanging down like old gentlemen gone cracked and playing at being boys


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'Twelve yards! I should have thought it thirty at least, but my eyes don't see as well as they used a hundred years ago'

Balin assumes the role of spokesman for the company when they're questioned by Thranduil on the grounds that he was 'the eldest left'.

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Though he had hunted chiefly for the Arkenstone, yet he had an eye for many another wonderful thing that was lying there, about which were wound old memories of the labours and sorrows of his race


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Dain was still King Under the Mountain, and was now old (having passed his two hundred and fiftieth year)

Thror is described as 'old, poor and desperate' when he gave Thrain his ring. When he asks if he was returning to Erebor he declares 'not at my age'. Tolkien doesn't specify exactly when Thror went off wandering but he dies aged 248 and he escaped from Erebor only twenty years earlier meaning that he must be at least 228 when he surrendered his ring. There is therefore a point in the span of twenty years within which he was young enough to escape with a dragon at his tail but unable to travel the distance to Erebor (or at least travel there and fight, although surely he didn't intend to do the latter alone).
Dain is interesting- he's described as a 'stripling' at 32 when he fights at Azanulbizar, but at 252 in the War of the Ring, Gandalf remarks of his death it was "a wonder that in his great age he could still wield his axe as mightily as they say". Thorin at 195 therefore is not quite 'ancient' but the evidence suggests he's past his best. He is described as 'a great dwarf of proud bearing' at 95 which to me suggest that that is when he would be in his prime- mid thirties to mid forties by modern standards, more likely towards the younger end since the context suggests 95 is still pretty young. By the time he reached 195 however i'm pretty sure the common estimate of Thorin being in his late middle-age/retirement age stands.

Dr Death


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jul 15 2011, 7:01pm

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Maybe its living undre Dain's rule that sends him off to regain his true kingdom. [In reply to] Can't Post

Durin's empire. The Dwarrowdelf.

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Dipling
Lorien

Jul 15 2011, 7:03pm

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Kili [In reply to] Can't Post

Hello.
Whats up with Kilis fingers?
Look at his hand.

http://cinemania.es/app/webroot/images/2011/julio/hobbit_enanos_hd/fili_kili.jpg

Bad photoshop.


(This post was edited by Dipling on Jul 15 2011, 7:05pm)


bookgirl13
Lorien


Jul 15 2011, 7:03pm

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Putting them into context makes a difference [In reply to] Can't Post

Seeing them with a giant Gandalf in the background, makes them all immediately seem dwarf-like, some more so than others. But it is more difficult to see them as miniature men or elves when they are so small compared with other races.


Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth
Lorien


Jul 15 2011, 7:07pm

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Its good [In reply to] Can't Post

but Gandalf looks like he grew a few feetLaugh. Yes I know the dwarves are smaller than humans and wizards but still....LaughLaugh

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Gandalf'sMother
Rohan

Jul 15 2011, 7:09pm

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Right.. [In reply to] Can't Post

But Balin was described in detail as looking very old, and Thorin is described as being older than Balin, so we can make a very reasonable assumption that Thorin does indeed look old.


Eowyn of Penns Woods
Valinor


Jul 15 2011, 7:12pm

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I think it's something entirely different... [In reply to] Can't Post



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