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Patty
Immortal


Jul 15 2011, 11:48am

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What did you think of Kili, Delrond? [In reply to] Can't Post

if you posted it, I missed it.

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Welsh hero
Gondor


Jul 15 2011, 11:49am

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aye true. [In reply to] Can't Post

And Bilbo and Gandalf release would be welcome.......

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jul 15 2011, 11:51am

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No telling the characters heights from these pictures [In reply to] Can't Post

as they have been shown to be composites. A group photo will show their relative heights. If you look up the heights of the actors this will tell their relative scale. And remember they are all short by human standards.

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Delrond
Rohan


Jul 15 2011, 11:55am

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I didn't [In reply to] Can't Post

think the purist comment was an insult. More likely the shouts the loudest part ruffled some feathers. In any case, I'd just the same like to voice an opinion from my perspective (purist or not).

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jul 15 2011, 11:55am

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Remember Dwalin is probably under 5 feet tall.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Delrond
Rohan


Jul 15 2011, 12:01pm

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I did [In reply to] Can't Post

weigh in briefly but can understand the it may have been drowned out. I like how all the Dwarves look, some more than others. Kili is at the bottom, but that doesn't mean I hate the image. It's a movie adaptation of the book through PJ's eyes. I can live with Kili's look as much as the exclusion of Tom Bombabil. I like the books and movies for different reasons, and I suspect I'll feel the same way about TH.

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jul 15 2011, 12:01pm

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A straw dog is a creation made to be attacked. [In reply to] Can't Post

There are many views of Tolkien here but very few as rigid as you propose. In fact I can only think of one who might take being called a Purist as anything other than an insult and even then he would probably take offense as you are trying to devalue and denigrate his views.

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jul 15 2011, 12:10pm

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Thorin will be more impressive alone. [In reply to] Can't Post

Remember the matter of scale. Thorin is a tall Dwarf but Gandalf will be a good deal taller (Though he is a short wizard).

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Otaku-sempai
Immortal

Jul 15 2011, 12:11pm

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I think that Dwalin's weapon is a maul... [In reply to] Can't Post


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Looks like Dwalin is going to be the group's tough guy, which i suggested in my earlier thread. What is he wielding...? A giant two-handed hammer?



A giant, two-handed hammer like that is properly called a maul, if I am not mistaken.


dwarf_girl
The Shire

Jul 15 2011, 12:11pm

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Part of the "minority" [In reply to] Can't Post

You're right. Kili and Dwalin seem to be the taller dwarves, and the ones with the more "human" faces (i.e., small nose, less prostetic). Let's wait for some videos where we'll can see them interact.
I imagine Dwalin will have some issues about staying in Rivendell and dealing with Thranduil.
I find Balin huggable.


dwarf_girl
The Shire

Jul 15 2011, 12:15pm

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And Thorin stands alone... [In reply to] Can't Post

It willl be epic!


Delrond
Rohan


Jul 15 2011, 12:26pm

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Propose? [In reply to] Can't Post

Sorry if anything I have said here is insulting. Clearly not my intent. I was only commenting on the original statement, with no rigid framework of views being constructed. Maybe your point should be directed at the source?

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DrDeath153
Lorien

Jul 15 2011, 12:30pm

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I'm not as impressed with Dwalin as i thought i'd be [In reply to] Can't Post

Personally, knowing Graham McTavish mainly as the sadistic prison warden Ackerman in Red Dwarf i'm a little bit disappointed he's just going to be a 'bruiser'. The proportions again are rather out with a small head on top of a big body, and the very human arms. It's not wholly undwarvish, don't get me wrong, he has a solid beard and the costume has promise even if it's not specifically dwarven, but meh, he looked more promising in the empire photo to be honest.

Now Balin, now there's a dwarf. I don't quite get the specifically oriental atmosphere that others do from him, but i love the look. He is very 'garden gnome' ish with the curled toes, the tashless beard and the slightly pointed hairdo, but to be honest it works in a strange way. The beard is voluminous enough, the cuts and colours of his costume are properly dwarvish and his possible sword/cudgel looks impressive. I probably imagined Balin to have a mustache, but i think it's one of those details i get used to him lacking. The background seems to support my theory that he'll have more optimism in reclaiming Khazad-dum than Erebor and so will be a bit of a cynic.

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QuackingTroll
Valinor


Jul 15 2011, 12:34pm

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Why Balin is short... (what I think anyway) [In reply to] Can't Post

I think that they made Balin short because he needs to become the closest to Bilbo. Having him the same height could mean that the other dwarves will treat him in a similar uncourteous manner. Sort of, the old man who's lagging behind and always going on about his war stories (which only Bilbo finds interesting). Like Uncle Albert from Only Fools and Horses :)


ShireHorse
Rohan

Jul 15 2011, 12:36pm

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And I've lived with Thorin for 45 years but, I agree, [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't think that age or length of familiarity has got anything to do with attitude. Some people pick out details like Thorin being the oldest dwarf or having a long - possibly white - beard and cannot accept a Thorin who doesn't have these features. I call this purism although I am very interested in hearing other people's definitions. Others, like myself, are just happy if we think it works. I think that Dwalin works, even though he appears to have human proportions - and I don't mean that he will be shown as having a human height but that his head and limbs have a human relationship as far as measurements are concerned.

I'm not so happy with some of the dwarves as I am with others but I'm pretty confident that they will all win me over once I see them in action. And it's this willingness to let PJ tell the story and not to be too picky before I see the films and to get excited about every image that he offers us whether they tie in with an original image I had in my mind's eye or not that makes me NOT a "purist" within my definition of it.

And I often feel quite sad that every time I make a sensible remark about a certain actor, I get slapped down, sometimes quite viciously (I don't mean by you, KS), as do others, after 10 years of visiting this site and thinking that the members are some of the nicest, best-humoured posters of any forum out there. The "purists" hold so tightly onto their absolute opinions, that what should be funny and kindly exchanges have sometimes degenerated into nasty sexist attacks on women of the type that I haven't heard since I was a young woman (way back in the olden days, LOL!).

You sit very carefully on the fence, KS, making pithy, Delphic utterances, so I often don't know what way you're bending in the wind. For instance, if Thorin, as is likely, isn't the oldest dwarf and doesn't have a white beard, will you find PJ's interpretation totally unacceptable? And in what way is "purist" a straw dog? Am I aiming my barbs in the wrong direction? So many questions, so little time, LOL!


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jul 15 2011, 12:39pm

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This is an open forum and my criticism is aimed not at you [In reply to] Can't Post

but at the use of the term "purist". It has been examined here before without resolution. My reaction is to desire an explanation of what is meant by the term when it is used. ShireHorse's view seems to be that anyone who objects to the radical changes being introduced in this adaptation of the Hobbit must belong to "a small handful of purists [who] shout the loudest." I would say that this is not the case at all. But then we do not necessarily know what is meant by purist.


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(This post was edited by Kangi Ska on Jul 15 2011, 12:40pm)


Spencissimus
Lorien


Jul 15 2011, 12:39pm

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yeah, I'm not getting the oriental vibe either... [In reply to] Can't Post

For me, pointy doesn't equal oriental, my first impression was same as you, he looks very gnomish! I do think that Dwalin looks in proportion though, certainly much more in proportion than Kili. Also, looking at the end of Balin's scabbard, I wonder if there is a reason for it being wider than the rest of it?


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Jul 15 2011, 12:39pm

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Very nice indeed [In reply to] Can't Post

Balin looks small, kindly and old – all the important elements of my mental picture are present. They seem to have gone with a sort of Father Christmas look, giving him a voluminous white beard and a red coat. That should work well; he's meant to be the most likeable of the Dwarves, so such associations can't hurt. The curly beard and curly shoes are an interesting little quirk – it's certainly a less intrusive look than the starfish or L'Orιal styles (though the former is growing on me). The hidden hands give a 'gangster' impression – perhaps that would have been more appropriate for Nori, but it's most likely just the way he was standing for the photoshoot.

My first thought when I saw Dwalin was that he looks like a mountain. The wide stance, the huge shoulders, the cloak which emphasises his size, the bald and bearded 'biker' look – as the description says, he is not one to be taken lightly. I'm glad they've finally decided to give a Dwarf a proper war-hammer – I'm not sure if Tolkien ever described them as using them, but it's a very suitable weapon for them in that it takes full advantage of their innate strength and hardiness. What are those metal things on his hands – gauntlets of some sort? Knuckle-dusters?

I'd count these two among my favourite Dwarves so far – they're much more interesting and individualised than Oin and Gloin, but they give the same impression of genuine, full-blown Dwarvishness.


Eregyrn
The Shire


Jul 15 2011, 12:41pm

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Like everything, it depends on your point of view... [In reply to] Can't Post


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It is like name calling. Some of us have lived with Thorin for thirty or more years and it is not purism that shapes our image of Thorin Oakenshield. Tolkien describes him as the oldest Dwarf of the 13 with a long beard that shows up in the dark (A white beard). It looks like the production of these movies has decided to radically redesign the look of the character. It does not take a purist to balk.


I've lived with the book for going on 40 years myself, but I count myself in the number who are not dismayed at the idea of a radically reimagined, "younger" looking Thorin. NARF?

There's a lot of things about the LOTR films that didn't match the ways I had long imagined the world and its characters. But I enjoyed the new ways it made me look at some of the material, and in many cases, they managed to capture something in a way that was better than I had been imagining it.

In that category, so far, I am putting the dwarves we've seen. I always sort of pictured them as a generic mass. I'm grateful for this production's attempt to give them all individuality and personality, (even Kili has me intrigued more than anything), and I can't wait to see and hear them in action. Thus far, The Hobbit is challenging my entire conception of who and what dwarves are and can be, and I'm enjoying that.


Ruijor
Rohan


Jul 15 2011, 12:43pm

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We will spread his arms and simply... spin around knocking orcs down! [In reply to] Can't Post

Cool


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Jul 15 2011, 12:43pm

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He does kind of remind me of Conan Stevens' "The Mountain" character from GoT. [In reply to] Can't Post

Let us hope that he doesn't decide to knock a pony's head off in anger! Shocked

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Flagg
Tol Eressea


Jul 15 2011, 12:44pm

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I have not seen any 'nasty sexist attacks on women' here. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Jul 15 2011, 12:45pm

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Yes, the skeleton holding the Book of Mazarbul is Ori. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Delrond
Rohan


Jul 15 2011, 12:46pm

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Pardon my confusion [In reply to] Can't Post

as you replied to my comment and then went on to say "...you propose" -- I inferred that comment to be directed at me. I posted above that I have some purist views of what I'd like to see in the movie (staight from the book). Other aspects of the movie will be PJ's interpretation and am completely fine with that. As I said to Patty, I enjoyed the LOTR movies and books, but for different reasons. I suspect TH will be the same for me.

Things are now in motion that cannot be undone.


Eregyrn
The Shire


Jul 15 2011, 12:49pm

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"Oriental" boots... [In reply to] Can't Post

I fear I haven't time to go find an image to post, but if interested parties will do a web-search on the terms "Mongol boots", you'll see that's pretty much with Balin is wearing.

Fascinating choice for him, as I'd always understood that the turned-up toes were meant to be a horse-riding thing. But, well, the dwarves do come with ponies!

I own a pair of the traditionally-styled, flat-soled Mongol boots, and they are really interesting to walk in. They encourage you into a rather sweeping stride. I can't tell from even the brightened-up pic whether Balin's are flat-soled or if they have a little heel (there are some modern versions of the traditional Mongol boot that have heels, and look rather like Frye stadium boots, but retain the turned-up toe).

At any rate, I like them. :) Nice visual detail.

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