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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea
Jul 12 2011, 9:12pm
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Thank you for a voice of reason!
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Honestly, I was prepairing myself for the worst, and this isn't anywhere near that. But perhaps I'm biased, as my own mental image of Dwarves has always been pretty human-like and not neanderthalian-like, as I've said before.
Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster
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droidsocket
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Jul 12 2011, 9:13pm
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PJ is not subtle! And rather then making Killi and Filli subtlety more human he went to the extreme of making them 99% human looking with 1% big ears
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Proudfoot
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Jul 12 2011, 9:13pm
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And here's a second version, from a newbie....
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One more for good measure http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h329/Chickadee33/Dwarves-group.jpg
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Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth
Lorien
Jul 12 2011, 9:14pm
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I know what you mean **shudders**
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All you have to decide is what to do with the time that has been given to you...
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Theodred
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Jul 12 2011, 9:16pm
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I really don't think that's going to happen,
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So Peter, if you're by any chance reading this, please make Kili more dwarf like, at the moment he isn't even convincing as a Middle Earth character, much less a dwarf. Because they have probably already shot many scenes with the dwarves, and they wíll probably not, because of this, make Kili more dwarf-like, and then reshoot all the scenes with Kili again.
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Flagg
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Jul 12 2011, 9:18pm
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It's a very common misconception
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I think it's because they're described identically; the only real visual information we have about either of them is that they have long yellow beards. Add to that their status as 'the young ones' of the group (which implies close age) and their similar but equal names (you wouldn't expect twins to be called Dori and Ori, as that seems to emphasise the former, but Fili and Kili sounds quite twinnish), and it's not hard to see how the 'twins' idea crept into our minds.
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Proudfoot
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Jul 12 2011, 9:18pm
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A freshly shaved (by dwarf standards) face, post-spiders, would make perfect sense. I've no idea why we'd see that version in these photos, but if they were using natural beards, and this shoot happened to be scheduled after those real beards had actually been shaved... I think the theory works well.
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Flagg
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Jul 12 2011, 9:19pm
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With the recasting of Fili, those scenes may have to be reshot anyway... //
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Ardamírë
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Jul 12 2011, 9:21pm
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Thank you. Someone who knows these two are not twins.
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Just kinda bugs me every time someone mentions that PJ isn't making them identical.
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Altaira
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Jul 12 2011, 9:23pm
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I'm very surprised at how such a large number of fans could basically abandon their Tolkien ideals just for the sake of some cheap eye candy. It's unfair to paint all the fans who aren't bothered by Kili's looks with such a broad brush I personally couldn't care less if they're hunky or not. It just doesn't bother me that he doesn't look like a cookie-cutter dwarf. *shrugs*
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Patty
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Jul 12 2011, 9:23pm
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On the other hand, he's got Sword of Shannara down PAT ! /
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sharpened_graphite
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Jul 12 2011, 9:24pm
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That was just a rhetorical appeal more than anything else...
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...I don't think Peter Jackson will change his mind just because of one post on a forum. But it's also 100 % my honest opinion. And besides, who knows, fan pressure did keep XenArwen out of the Lord of the Rings.
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Muireadhaigh
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Jul 12 2011, 9:25pm
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When the Oin and Gloin pics came out, I posted that I now understand everyone's concern, because they were hunks. I was joking obviously, and never thought PJ would give us this. I am so very disappointed with these two dwarves. I wonder what conditioner Kili uses, his hair is perfect.
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TheWhiteRider
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Jul 12 2011, 9:28pm
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also had the longest nose in the whole group !
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Patty
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Jul 12 2011, 9:29pm
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Are you disappointed with Fili, too?
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I wouldn't call him a hunk. But I'm with you on Kili.
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DrDeath153
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Jul 12 2011, 9:30pm
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............................................................................................................................ ........................................................................................................................... ...........................................................I beg your pardon? Jeepers. I don't quite know what to say.....................Come back Armitage all is forgiven? I'd like to say I told you so, but that'd be referring to the wrong dwarf- i had high hopes for Fili and Kili, Rob Kazinsky and Aidan Turner seemed like a cracking couple of blokes and a good match for the carefree energy of the younger dwarves (and Dean O'Gorman was a pretty cool replacement even if the replacement was regrettable). Like others have said, Aidan Turner looked positively dwarvish at the press conference- what in the name of all that's holy happened? I'm sorry, but there's no wind machine or anything like that that can shoulder the blame for the abysmal Kili look. Fili is acceptable (not ideal- give me my dwarven proportions) but Kili really is tall, dark and handsome in that picture, three things that the short, blonde dwarf that is his role should not be. This goes beyond 'making him distinct' or 'making him look young'- young people can be short and stocky too (in fact given childhood obesity figures a lot of them are!) this is exactly the kind of cynical manipulation of the decision to lessen the prosthetics and the calls for variety that i feared- the thin end of the wedge hasn't got any fatter! (Yes i know that doesn't make any sense but then Kili's look doesn't either and the parallel in phrase and message was too tempting to miss). In the 'casting of Thorin' thread i wrote some things that some considered to be a bit sexist and patronising, at the time i was speaking out of paranoia, i never suspected i would be so near the truth. Surely now anyone who gives a damn about dwarves can see my point? While i'm trying not to rant, i do take this in bad humour and unless proven otherwise, i think anyone who tries to defend Kili's look is either a Estrogen Islander or a contrarian. Devil's advocate simply isn't a strong enough phrase PJ- sort your Kili out before your next shooting session or i'll stick shadowfax's head in your bed Dr Death
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Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth
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Jul 12 2011, 9:30pm
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what PJ did to Kili and Fili...
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Faenoriel
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Jul 12 2011, 9:30pm
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XenArwen wasn *not* changed because of fan reaction
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But because Philippa and Liv felt it was wrong and wanted to change the character. I doubt they're going to do any re-shooting because many dislike this look. They know we're going to watch the movies anyway, one (or perhaps a few) hot Dwarf here or there. And the audience is made of other groups than us Tolkien fans too, so they can afford losing some ToRNsibs.
Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster
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mykonos
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Jul 12 2011, 9:31pm
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And I don't see a problem with these two young dwarves when seen with the rest of the dwarf pics that have been released already. Or is that my hormones speaking?
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea
Jul 12 2011, 9:33pm
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pfirst picture we saw showed kili a little bit different than this
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when we saw the first picture of bilbo in the back ground we could see a dwarf very probably kili, and it looked different than this, so dont get angry besides imagine all dwarves gimli like, it would be boring but more of that, very very difficult on the screen to know who is who, i had problems with merry and pippin imagine with 13 dwarves, it would be very confusing, even boring GOD bless you all!!!!!!!!!
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SF
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Jul 12 2011, 9:34pm
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Brothers don't always have the same color hair. I've known siblings with light and dark hair. Personally, I think they look just fine.
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Muireadhaigh
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Jul 12 2011, 9:35pm
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though he looks better than Kili. Kili's too pretty, too thin, and looks like a short elf. Fili looks like a man. Really nothing dwarvish about him. Just a guy with a smile on his face.
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