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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Jul 12 2011, 10:31pm

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Not expecting? [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm wondering, what people were really expecting.

Because the minute I saw the faces of those actors, I saw this coming.

Especially after they replaced poor Rob with a very similar looking actor. The look certainly was important to them.

Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster


Patty
Immortal


Jul 12 2011, 10:31pm

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Hah! Maybe that's why Legolas is there... [In reply to] Can't Post

he's handsome enough for all of them.

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weaver
Half-elven

Jul 12 2011, 10:33pm

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I'm kind of putting this in the same category as casting Frodo as young, rather than middle aged... [In reply to] Can't Post

...well young to the eye of the average movie goer (you can always argue Frodo was old but just looked young in the films...)

I was not here when the first shots of Elijah Wood came out, but I imagine when those images hit, there was similar consternation on these boards -- there are still some comments made about his age, even today, actually.

Not everyone agreed with casting a "young Frodo", but the film makers had definite reasons for that choice, I think largely because visually a young Frodo could pull of the "martyr" role better than a middle aged guy. He just looks more like a lamb going to the slaughter, you know?

I'm trusting there is some decent thinking behind all of their choices, including these "hot dwarves" -- for plot, practical, money or studio purposes -- whatever. They must think this look will work, so let's see how it plays out..

Don't know if this helps you Patty, but I thought I'd try! You were so disappointed in the Blu Ray, I hate to have you deal with dwarf depression on top of that! Smile

Weaver




Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Jul 12 2011, 10:34pm

Post #279 of 601 (11624 views)
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PJ and Co... [In reply to] Can't Post

They had to know this would cause a bit of controversy with fans when they finalized the look? Surely they knew Tolkien fans would be a bit taken aback by these looks? I'm just wondering what their thought process was here? Besides let's make a couple of young, good-looking dwarves that the ladies can drool over...I would think at this point, PJ would try to avoid naysayers at every point possible, but I assume he's still a renegade filmmaker, eh?

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien

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--Walter Sobchak


Crunchable Birdses
Rohan


Jul 12 2011, 10:35pm

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I know [In reply to] Can't Post

It's almost as if they're making a blockbuster movie with mass appeal or some crazy nonsense! Wink

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Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Jul 12 2011, 10:39pm

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I completely agree. [In reply to] Can't Post

Not what I was expecting, but I feel pretty bad for PJ as well. Nothing he does will please all, and as I've said before it's a lose-lose for him, since he can't please everyone on every decision. But then again, how does that quote go, never feel sorry for a man who owns a plane?

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules."
--Walter Sobchak


RosieLass
Valinor


Jul 12 2011, 10:40pm

Post #282 of 601 (11737 views)
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Eh, if you like that type. [In reply to] Can't Post

To be honest, Legolas never did anything for me.

But neither did Aragorn, for that matter.

Oddly enough, nobody in the LOTR films really flipped my lid, as far as "eye candy" went.



It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Jul 12 2011, 10:41pm

Post #283 of 601 (11748 views)
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I was expecting more prosthesis and hair on the face... [In reply to] Can't Post

...but I still like them, the more I see them. I don't hate their looks, just different...

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules."
--Walter Sobchak


Patty
Immortal


Jul 12 2011, 10:41pm

Post #284 of 601 (11605 views)
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Thank you, Weaver... [In reply to] Can't Post

Heart

Actually, I'm sorry that Kili looks un-Dwarf like (although, I personally never had any issues with Elijah's age), fortunately for me, I was never as married to The Hobbit as I was to LotR, so I'm enjoying the ride with it and not too affected with changes. It is what it is, and as long as they don't make Rivendell and Hobbiton look other than a rough estimate of their already established LotR looks (only 60 years earlier) I'm kinda good.

Now, if they would just offer an alternate EE blu without all that dark overlay all would be good in Middle-earth, even if the dragon looks like Kangi Ska's picture of Pete the Dragon. Sly

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Altaira
Superuser / Moderator


Jul 12 2011, 10:43pm

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Great point, isaac [In reply to] Can't Post

These are promo shots. I guarantee they'll all be different to some degree once the movies are in the can. Remember how much Gimli's look changed over the 3 LOTR films; even in the footage that wasn't cut.


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Flagg
Tol Eressea


Jul 12 2011, 10:43pm

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Fili is a good-looking fella too [In reply to] Can't Post

But he still passes for a Dwarf. Kili? Not so much. I'm comfortable with the idea of having a few reasonably attractive Dwarves in these films, as long as their attractiveness does not make them look un-Dwarvish – or in this case, Elvish.

According to Tolkien, all Dwarves are born with beards, and any Dwarf whose beard was shaved off would die of shame. I'm afraid that any attempt to squeeze five-o'-clock-shadow Kili into the logical lattice of Tolkien's legendarium is a bit of a dead end...


Richie Rich
Rivendell


Jul 12 2011, 10:43pm

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Too hunky!? I can fix that! [In reply to] Can't Post

Let's see...all we gotta do is stick a respectable sized nose on him, throw in some black fluff in the chinnish region, oh and of course we simply must expand that scrawny waistline of his. Now he can officially be called a dwarf! http://i52.tinypic.com/2eqcjuw.jpg

P.S. Pay no attention to Starfish, he's beyond help at this point.



(This post was edited by Richie Rich on Jul 12 2011, 10:46pm)


RosieLass
Valinor


Jul 12 2011, 10:46pm

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And oddly enough... [In reply to] Can't Post

Not one of us is a squealy teenaged fangirl! Cool



It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Jul 12 2011, 10:48pm

Post #289 of 601 (11634 views)
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Haha, thanks for the laugh of the day... [In reply to] Can't Post

Frightening mental image indeed...Shocked

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules."
--Walter Sobchak


weaver
Half-elven

Jul 12 2011, 10:53pm

Post #290 of 601 (11581 views)
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you're welcome...and you know... [In reply to] Can't Post

....I imagine there are some folks who will go to The Hobbit who haven't seen dwarves since Snow White...so breaking the dwarf model might not be all bad, as there are a lot of stereotypes/biases out there that could really keep some folks from getting into Tolkien's story...Kili is breaking new ground here!

I hope that they reissue all the films in a the super, overextended, immortal version for you someday where you can make the color exactly what you want and adjust the "dwarviness" of the characters to your personal preference!Smile

Weaver




Flagg
Tol Eressea


Jul 12 2011, 10:59pm

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I made a better picture [In reply to] Can't Post

As several people have already noted, it's obvious that the filmmakers are trying to make Ori look like a bit of a plonker, so why not go all the way?

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/4094/dwarves.jpg


rings7
Rohan


Jul 12 2011, 11:02pm

Post #292 of 601 (11640 views)
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Now that's more like it LOL [In reply to] Can't Post

And just to think that i thought that Bilbo was gonna be the only good looking character in that group of travelers. Laugh


rings7
Rohan


Jul 12 2011, 11:03pm

Post #293 of 601 (11653 views)
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I don't get it. What's wrong with Ori? [In reply to] Can't Post

Never mind. I hadn't read the rest of your post.


(This post was edited by rings7 on Jul 12 2011, 11:06pm)


Patty
Immortal


Jul 12 2011, 11:07pm

Post #294 of 601 (11546 views)
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Hey, I like it, I like it! / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Patty
Immortal


Jul 12 2011, 11:09pm

Post #295 of 601 (11573 views)
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Help, I've been imprisoned by a messageboard thread! [In reply to] Can't Post

I've been tied to this thread for hours and can't get away!
Y'all know what ? You're such interesting friends.Angelic I have discussed Kili's looks here actually for HOURS!

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Theodred
Lorien


Jul 12 2011, 11:14pm

Post #296 of 601 (11585 views)
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You might find this interview with Aidan Turner from February 20th a very interesting read, [In reply to] Can't Post

as you all have seen now how Kili probably will appear in the movie:

You were sporting a pretty impressive beard at the Hobbit press conference. Is that for Kili?
AIDAN TURNER: Yeah, it is. I’m growing out the beard. We’re giving it a chance, seeing what it looks like.

Is that how Peter Jackson plans to make you less handsome and more dwarf-like?
To de-handsomify me? [Laughs] No, not really. I mean, famously in the books, the dwarves have really long beards, so we’re just trying stuff out and seeing what it looks like.

Are you in “hobbit boot camp” now?
Yeah. Well, it’s dwarf boot camp, not really hobbit boot camp. It’s just all dwarves—training and stuff.


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Zizix
Rivendell


Jul 12 2011, 11:22pm

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Are you suggesting [In reply to] Can't Post

the picture shows Aidan with his own beard, they later decided that didn't work, and pasted on the biggest beard ever, that we have yet to see?


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Jul 12 2011, 11:25pm

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Me too... [In reply to] Can't Post

My girlfriend shouted at me earlier "put the laptop down!!" she's asleep now, coz it's half twelve, so I sneakily picked it up again Wink


(This post was edited by Ataahua on Jul 13 2011, 12:39am)


dwarf_girl
The Shire

Jul 12 2011, 11:25pm

Post #299 of 601 (11707 views)
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I agree [In reply to] Can't Post

Kili looks like a noldor... so what! A little (hot) variety doesnt hurt.
The pic with all of them together looks pretty nice. In there, you can see that the "traditional" dwarves are the ones at the middle, the oldest ones. And the youngest represent the new waves in the dwarf world.


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Jul 12 2011, 11:29pm

Post #300 of 601 (11467 views)
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Same here! [In reply to] Can't Post

There was a TV program I was supposed to watch. So much for that program.

Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster

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