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Dori, Ori and Nori
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SirDennisC
Half-elven


Jul 7 2011, 4:49pm

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In this case I think it's a question of relevance. [In reply to] Can't Post

Unless of course it is now common knowledge that GDT is responsible for the designs "we" don't like and PJ is responsible for the ones "we" do.

Here is the bit that re-sparked this tiresome debate:

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I can't help but wonder if that's some of Guillermo's design aesthetic. One of the things I've always hated about Guillermo's work (sorry, I'm a Guillermo hater) is his goofy looking characters.



The question is, why bring GDT into this at all? Chris has been around long enough to know that that is button best not pushed.

My own view is that if this keeps up, all we will have managed to do is to put the mods in a very awkward position...



RosieLass
Valinor


Jul 7 2011, 4:52pm

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??? [In reply to] Can't Post

I never claimed that PJ himself was contributing to the discussion.

I mean only that nobody mentioned him until Kangi Ska brought him up.



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RosieLass
Valinor


Jul 7 2011, 4:53pm

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Speculation? [In reply to] Can't Post

Is that allowed?

I'm not sure why I'm even pursuing this. To the best of my knowledge, I've never seen any of GDT's movies, so I don't know if I like his work or not. I just don't want to see people getting suppressed just because other people may not care for their points of view.



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Flagg
Tol Eressea


Jul 7 2011, 4:57pm

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All Kangi did was say he didn't want 'GDT vs PJ' to be brought up [In reply to] Can't Post

Of course there's a certain irony in saying something shouldn't be brought up (which means you have to bring it up), but I think he was attempting to avoid an argument rather than start one.


Not_the_beard
The Shire

Jul 7 2011, 4:59pm

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Uniqueness is going to really help [In reply to] Can't Post

I can imagine the difference between Bilbo welcoming in 13 Gimlis to his house as compared to welcoming in 13 distinct and very different characters. If they were all the same, it might be easier for him to not be as overwhelmed. He might reason that since they all look the same, he can deal with them as if they all are the same. But this way, where the audience and Bilbo can experience that each character is unique, with a very different personality, the awe, confusion, and overwhelming nature of their visit can be much more punctuated. The distinctness is going to help put the audience in Bilbo's shoes.

As for the photo itself, I was put off a little at first, thought it was a little cartoony, but it's been growing on me. The detail is astounding and realizing that these characters will be moving around in a vibrant world gets me all the more excited.


chrismortega
Bree


Jul 7 2011, 5:01pm

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Jeez it was just an observation [In reply to] Can't Post

Forget I said anything at all. I'd rather everyone get along on here than be right.

On another note, Nori's crazy hairstyle gives some weight to the Mohawk theory from a while back. One of the dwarves leaning over the table in the bag-end shot kind of looks like he has a Mohawk, and maybe some tattoos on his head if you ask me.

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SirDennisC
Half-elven


Jul 7 2011, 5:02pm

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Further OT: It is true, he said that [In reply to] Can't Post

Unsure

but he didn't say exactly what he meant by "tone." It seemed to me that it was the bickering on Hobbit in general, most notably around the question of 3D -- at least gauging by the timing of the remark. Besides, lingering after the decision he made could not have been easy... it was a testiment to how fond he was of our community that he hung around at all after saying his good-byes.


redgiraffe
Rohan

Jul 7 2011, 5:02pm

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Irony in this thread [In reply to] Can't Post

In an attempt to prevent a GDT/PJ discussion... a GDT/PJ discussion was actually created.

Maybe if we all just act like big boys and girls and not try to get our two cents in about the GDT/PJ bit and just leave it be and get back to discussing the pic then we won't have to worry about going off topic

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(This post was edited by redgiraffe on Jul 7 2011, 5:07pm)


Altaira
Superuser / Moderator


Jul 7 2011, 5:05pm

Post #109 of 274 (1380 views)
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Exactly! [In reply to] Can't Post


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Of course there's a certain irony in saying something shouldn't be brought up (which means you have to bring it up), but I think he was attempting to avoid an argument rather than start one.


The only person who came close to starting it up again is Kangi, lol. Laugh

I think it's time for everyone to take off any hypersensitive GDT or PJ chips they may have on their shoulder and move on. People are always going to like and/or dislike *something* about them. And, as long as they're not insulting them personally in a way that's against the rules here, they're not only free to express their views, they're encouraged to.



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Mythopoeia
Bree

Jul 7 2011, 5:09pm

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I really like the scholarly look Ori has [In reply to] Can't Post

as it works well with what little we know of him. He's almost got a monkish look, which is interesting. Nori's hair totally threw me at first, but I'm actually liking it now--I'll be interested to see what's holding it in that funky shape, as I'm assuming there's no such thing as hair-gel in Middle-earth . . . Overall I'm loving the looks, especially the clothing! And braided beards are fine; braids significantly shorten hair-length but are also practical. The photos look a bit too photoshopped, though. When I first saw the picture I thought it was just computer graphic concept art!


DanielLB
Immortal

Jul 7 2011, 5:11pm

Post #111 of 274 (1293 views)
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I meant Nori [In reply to] Can't Post

Blimey. Getting confused already!


redgiraffe
Rohan

Jul 7 2011, 5:15pm

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Anyone else thought Nori had a huge lower lip? [In reply to] Can't Post

When looking at the original picture it looked like Nori had a huge lower lip and that made me think he was a little cartoonish looking. But if you look at the hi-res pic it's clearly his beard over his chin that is being lit up by the light. I found that funny.

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chrismortega
Bree


Jul 7 2011, 5:17pm

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Computer Graphic Concept Art [In reply to] Can't Post

Everyone I showed this to said the same thing... "Is this... real, or is it like CG of what they think it's going to look like?" Which was strange to me, but given the weird filters or whatever they are using on the pics I guess I can understand.

"It was deliberate, it was deliberate..."

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SirDennisC
Half-elven


Jul 7 2011, 5:19pm

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That's fair Rosie, but [In reply to] Can't Post

as others have noted from time to time (Darkstone did today in fact), one of the things that keeps this community working is our sensitivity to each other's sensibilities. And there are some topics, as you know, that are taboo simply because of what they almost always devolve into.

The core idea could just as easily (and harmlessly) been expressed this way: "I can't help but wonder if that's some of Guillermo's design aesthetic."

The sentence that followed that was not speculation, not particularly relevant to the discussion, and would reasonably be expected to provoke a reaction -- hence the (sorry, I'm a Guillermo hater) qualification.

On a side note, if you (and by you I mean anyone reading) knew that the way you (personally) spoke to some people was the reason someone else left TORn, would that be okay with you?




Flagg
Tol Eressea


Jul 7 2011, 5:19pm

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I understand what you are saying [In reply to] Can't Post

You may not realise that the non-human characters in Pan's Labyrinth were meant to resemble the figments of a child's imagination, whereas Hellboy is a colourful and vibrant comic-book adaptation. GDT has shown himself capable of making 'gritty' films with Mimic and The Devil's Backbone, which have only minimal visual fantasy elements. My point is that I do not recognise any of GDT's design hallmarks in these Dwarves. The human characters in every single one of his films look human, and even his borderline-human characters (like Nomak in Blade II and Rasputin in Hellboy) still look very human-like. Giant star-shaped haircuts are not really his style. Maybe I'm wrong and GDT designed the Dwarves after all; PJ mentioned in the Empire interview that he kept his distance and allowed GDT to handle the development of the Dwarves into distinct characters (a task PJ found intimidating), so maybe he came up with the designs as well as the confabulatory characteristics. I don't really mind who was responsible; I think Dori looks great, Ori looks good, and now that I think about it, Nori's ridiculous look may well pay off when it comes to maintaining the book's humorous tone.


rings7
Rohan


Jul 7 2011, 5:20pm

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I knew the thread would immediately [In reply to] Can't Post

turn into a PJ-GDT discussion. But i was wrong. It took what...4 pages? Wink

It takes only one dude to even the name and voila.


Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 7 2011, 5:23pm

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Yup! I zoomed all the way in and saw the same thing... [In reply to] Can't Post

... Nori looked a little goofy from afar (in this pic) because of those lips, but from close quarters, I realized that wasn't his lip and that he actually looks pretty gruff and grumpy.



Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 7 2011, 5:25pm

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Yes, all the pictures till date look like HDR photos [In reply to] Can't Post

Examples of HDR photography can be seen here. I'm sure you know that though (as you said you're knowledgeable about photography) WinkCool



SirDennisC
Half-elven


Jul 7 2011, 5:26pm

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And I too made an observation... [In reply to] Can't Post

That aside, I'm intrigued by the tattoo idea. I wonder if dwarfs would ever shave their heads? For some reason it seems a cultural trait not to do so. Would that make him iconoclastic?

For what it's worth, I agree that the publicity still looks a tidge cartoony. To my eye it appears slightly CGI'd -- at first glance my fears that the dwarfs were going to be all CGI save their faces came rushing back. (Can't remember which one of the dwarfs said they only need their faces, it was last year around the time we first met the cast.)


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jul 7 2011, 5:27pm

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Express away [In reply to] Can't Post

I just know...

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jul 7 2011, 5:29pm

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Thank youuvery much.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Patty
Immortal


Jul 7 2011, 5:32pm

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Overall, I'm very pleased with this... [In reply to] Can't Post

They look enough like Gimli to be recognizable as his race of beings but distinct, with an identity of their own. I like the hairstyles, too--distinguished, and over the top enough to be the elite of the dwarves, even if the race of men would find them a little funny. Good job.

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Arwen's daughter
Half-elven


Jul 7 2011, 5:34pm

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Strangely enough, my first reaction was the opposite [In reply to] Can't Post

I thought they didn't look cartooney enough! But then again, I'm still holding out for bright yellow stockings and sky blue hoods. Now that I've had some time with the picture to let it sink in, I think I can see what chris means by cartooney, but I'm not sure it's a bad thing for me.

Now that we've had pictures, I want to see these guys in action! How does the saying go? If you give a fan a photo...?

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jul 7 2011, 5:45pm

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It is a big sandbox. We can all learn to play together. [In reply to] Can't Post

Sir D has the right idea.

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Snaga
Lorien


Jul 7 2011, 5:51pm

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I approve of the variety [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm glad they're not just a bunch of Gimli clones. If you look around in real life you'll see tremendous variation in real people, and I see no reason why dwarves should be any different. After all we're only going to get at most six hours (and certainly less screen time than that dealing with the dwarves) to get to know these gentlemen. IMO having each of them being distinguished from the others can only make the creative team's job easier in this respect.

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