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maut
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Jun 30 2011, 7:26pm
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Can anyone help me? I wanna see them!!!
Far over the misty mountains cold
To dungeons deep and caverns old
We must away ere break of day
To seek the pale enchanted gold.
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...and the sound of the kettle on his hearth was ever after more musical than it had been even in the quiet days before the Unexpected Party
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Welcome back to Middle-Earth!!!
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dormouse
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Jun 30 2011, 7:27pm
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I think it's sad that you should feel that way...
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... though of course, your feelings are your own. For me Pan's Labyrinth is original and strange and magical but in terms of visual loveliness the Lord of the Rings films stand in a class of their own. This is largely because of the involvement of Alan Lee and John Howe. I've been collecting books with Alan Lee illustrations for almost thirty years and his involvement in the films was what drew me to them in the first place. John Howe's work is as magical and the two of them together.... well! With them the films will be amazing and enchanting visually - I have absolute confidence in that, because with them on board and Weta how could they not be? For the acting, adaptation and so on I wait and see.
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SirDennisC
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Jun 30 2011, 7:36pm
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Thank you eralkfang:
I imagine the designs being called "steampunk" are less Victorian and steam, and more interesting bits of dwarven engineering. More Da Vinci, less Conan Doyle
The bit from the article is patently vague. We don't know how much (if any as you rightly point out) of the designs were actual steam punk-y or clockwork-y. And we really don't know how much or how little of GDT's designs PJ kept. Re-scouting locations seems a bit of a dk-move but perhaps being a native NZer PJ had a different set of motives or a better lay of the land than GDT? (As around 2/3s of the film will be shot in studio I'm not sure why that was necessary.)
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Dreamdinners
The Shire
Jun 30 2011, 7:45pm
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Does anyone else think that in the Empire shots Thorin looks just like John Travolta in the dirge-fest Battlefield Earth? I just hope the Hobbit is a better film. Still, that wouldn't be particularly difficult, now would it?
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macfalk
Valinor
Jun 30 2011, 8:13pm
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All LOTR movies are ranked a lot higher than Pan's Labyrinth on IMDB //
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The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.
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Kangi Ska
Half-elven
Jun 30 2011, 8:14pm
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SirDennisC
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Jun 30 2011, 8:22pm
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had this to say in a similar discussion:
As for the Silmarillion - Christopher can't sell off the rights. Neither, to the chagrin of some, can his heirs and successors in the Tolkien Estate.
The Tolkien Estate was set up by JRR himself, to carry out his wishes as expressed in his will. The same as any Estate - yours, mine, anybody's. One of Tolkien's wishes was that copyright in his works should remain in his family 'for as long as possible'. So, it's not a case of Christopher preventing the sale of the film rights - and it's no use some folk saying things like 'he's over eighty - he won't be around forever' - which personally I find distasteful in the extreme. Christopher can't sell the rights. Simple as that.
http://newboards.theonering.net/...i?post=325604#325604
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FarFromHome
Valinor
Jun 30 2011, 8:29pm
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The rights could probably be licenced
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instead of sold though - if the Tolkien estate wanted a film made of the Silmarillion, they could probably allow someone to make it without giving up their own copyright. Not that I think they do want any such thing. But if they did, they would have control, something they lost for LotR and The Hobbit when the rights were sold outright.
They went in, and Sam shut the door.
But even as he did so, he heard suddenly,
deep and unstilled,
the sigh and murmur of the Sea upon the shores of Middle-earth.
From the unpublished Epilogue to the Lord of the Rings
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DrDeath153
Lorien
Jun 30 2011, 8:34pm
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Call me a traditionalist, call me unimaginative, but to me the very nature-based spiritual world of Middle-earth would sit extremely uneasily with the image of steam punk. I don't have a particular dislike of steam-punk in it's own right, but in Middle-earth it is pretty much the province of evil- Isengard with it's machinery and Saruman's mind of metal and wheels, or back in the first age, the very first writings of Middle-earth- Morgoth's metal dragons- fearful contraptions he sends against the defenders of Gondolin. Where the mantle clock is mechanical, it is something of an anachronism in Tolkien's wider Middle-earth (and as others have argued might well have been edited out in a rewritten Hobbit). It is also wholly benign compared to some of the things you've suggested such as the inherently sinister automatons- that kind of example of machines overtaking nature is very much anti the essential themes of Tolkien's works and so while Middle-earth is a fantasy land, it does not mean 'anything goes' within it.
Your comment of a steam-punk aesthetic being a breath of fresh air is actually faintly ironic in itself considering how it is the genre of smog-choked industry and urbanisation- i would go so far as to say it is anathema to all that's good in Middle-earth, so i really cannot agree at all. As far as i'm concerned, long live the deep roots of the twin trees Howe and Lee.
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Darkstone
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Jun 30 2011, 8:45pm
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...what happens when a true fan of a book gets $75 million and a free hand in bringing the adaptation to the screen.
Give me a good director over a devoted fan every time.
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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”
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SirDennisC
Half-elven
Jun 30 2011, 8:53pm
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And really, not that it matters now,
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since when is it important that sequels/prequels look exactly the same as what came before?
GDT said early on that the first Hobbit film would largely represent his own vision of Middle-earth, and that the second film would segue into PJ's version... Now that PJ has taken over, I fear the new films will adhere very closely to the aesthetic of the previous ones, and a great deal of potential visual loveliness will go down the drain.
People would do well to consider recent reboots such as Hannibal Rising, TDK, Star Trek (2009) and [especially] Xmen: First Class. Certainly these films were successful in spite of being radical departures, both visually and tonally, from what came before. Homogeneity of vision between originals and sequels/prequels is not a guarantee of success, nor is it always ideal.
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Kangi Ska
Half-elven
Jun 30 2011, 9:05pm
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dealing with the suggestion that a Tolkien rewrite of the Hobbit would have solved all the problems of Middle-earth. He chose not to complete said rewrite. It would have destroyed the book and he knew it.
Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
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kzer_za
Lorien
Jun 30 2011, 9:15pm
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At any rate, mechanical clocks are a Medieval invention
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So it's not exactly an anachronism.
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rings7
Rohan
Jun 30 2011, 9:18pm
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you have 18 more months of tough things to deal with ahead of you. Sorry you don't like Peter.
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SirDennisC
Half-elven
Jun 30 2011, 9:23pm
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"You're with us or you're against us." Really? //
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Kangi Ska
Half-elven
Jun 30 2011, 9:30pm
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There is no chance that someone could like (even love) both Peter and Guillermo?
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I am sure I love PJ's take on the Hobbit but I regret not getting to see GdT's vision. This does not put me on any side.
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rings7
Rohan
Jun 30 2011, 9:32pm
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Yes, im talking purely work related issues here.
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R11
Lorien
Jun 30 2011, 9:35pm
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Looking at it from the other angle though
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I think a lot of the appeal and success of Abram's Star Trek was due to the casting of actors who were very similar in look and sound, and could act with the same manner as the originals.
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Kangi Ska
Half-elven
Jun 30 2011, 9:36pm
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How about golf & potatoes & tobacco & steam trains & blasting powder & bottled wine &...//
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Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
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Kangi Ska
Half-elven
Jun 30 2011, 9:37pm
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People teach that hogwash.
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