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Entertainment Weekly has 3 new photos from 'The Hobbit'

deej
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Jun 23 2011, 1:07pm

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Entertainment Weekly has 3 new photos from 'The Hobbit' Can't Post

We get our first look at Bilbo (with some dwarves in the background), Gandalf, and a behind the scenes shot with Peter Jackson and Martin Freeman). Hurrah!

http://www.ew.com/.../0,,20504849,00.html


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eralkfang
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Jun 23 2011, 1:14pm

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AAAAHHH [In reply to] Can't Post

Where's that flailing Kermit .gif when you need it?

Freeman looks great as Bilbo, but I have to be honest—he's so perfect for the role that it's really just seeing your expectations fulfilled. I'm a bit more interested in the dwarves; I'm having trouble picking out specific actors, but I think Thorin's going to have dark hair… can't wait to see this in better quality once the magazine hits tomorrow! (I'll probably have to pick it up, heh.)


Estel78
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Jun 23 2011, 1:22pm

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*lol* Freeman looks so funny. And those feet! [In reply to] Can't Post

Gandalf is just like out of FOTR, which is as it should be. Shame we don't get a better look at the dwarves.


Welsh hero
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Jun 23 2011, 1:24pm

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OMG OMG brilliant just brilliant [In reply to] Can't Post

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Faenoriel
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Jun 23 2011, 1:25pm

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*incoherent schreeching* [In reply to] Can't Post

Gandalf the Grey! How I've missed you!

And... and.... and.... BILBO! Martin you're so perfect its not even fun!

Oh and I see Thorin! The Dwarves look nice and all Dwarvish, not too pretty at all. :)

Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster


painjoiker
Grey Havens

Jun 23 2011, 1:25pm

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I really love Martin Freemand as Bilbo! [In reply to] Can't Post

I too want clearer pictures of the dwarves! :o


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Jun 23 2011, 1:33pm

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Is it bad I'm more exicted about Gandalf than Bilbo? [In reply to] Can't Post

As is already said, Bilbo looks pretty much as we knew he would look, and it's nice to see him and all. BUT DAMN, the last time we saw Gandalf the Grey was when he dropped off the Bridge of Khazad-dum and the White edition just wasn't quite the same.

I'm suprised we got this much already. The Dwarves, from the little we can see, look absolutely perfect. These images made me trust PJ even more.

Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster


FarFromHome
Valinor


Jun 23 2011, 1:46pm

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Get a load of those feet! [In reply to] Can't Post

PJ mentions in the caption to the first photo that Bilbo has the biggest hobbit feet so far. And in photo 3 you can see what he means - large and exceptionally furry, it looks like to me...

Cool

They went in, and Sam shut the door.
But even as he did so, he heard suddenly,
deep and unstilled,
the sigh and murmur of the Sea upon the shores of Middle-earth.
From the unpublished Epilogue to the Lord of the Rings



SirDennisC
Half-elven


Jun 23 2011, 1:49pm

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They work better in 3D that way. / [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Snulle
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Jun 23 2011, 2:00pm

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Wow! [In reply to] Can't Post

Martin looks perfect and Gandalf gets me goosebumps everywhere.
And the dwarves looks amazing!!!! Heart Cool Heart


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DrDeath153
Lorien

Jun 23 2011, 2:05pm

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Thorin's moment of truth [In reply to] Can't Post

And it's still very Richard Armitage i'm afraid Frown. I know it's not a close-up but while the costume is lovely, the hair and make-up just looks like Richard Armitage done up as Cal Drogo from Game of Thrones- it's his eyes, it's his nose and the beard is rather close fitting rather than sprawling but well maintained and controlled. And not a hint of grey i may add. He also appears to be sporting dreadlocks (judging particularly by the exposed ear), but it may prove otherwise. I mean he doesn't look entirely un-dwarfy, but that ain't Thorin as i know him.

Judging by the pictures and PJ's comments on Bilbo though it looks like they've slightly over-cooked the prosthetics- those ears and feet are enormous, and the costume isn't exactly that of a respectable hobbit- looks a bit boyish and scruffy- no jacket or even a waistcoat, practically collarless and all very drab.

Don't get me wrong, i'm glad to see these pictures and they make me excited, but not wholly in the right direction....

Dr Death


macfalk
Valinor


Jun 23 2011, 2:08pm

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Yep, bad makeup on Thorin. Dissapointed. [In reply to] Can't Post

Bilbo looks perfect but Thorin looks like a mixture of Khal Drogo and Jack Sparrow. He should also look older.



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Jun 23 2011, 2:09pm

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It's been a long time coming. [In reply to] Can't Post

Finally! Freeman looks awesome! That dwarf on the end of the table almost looks like one of the Umbar pirates, and a bald dwarf?

"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.


acheron
Gondor


Jun 23 2011, 2:11pm

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oh wow [In reply to] Can't Post

With all the worry and controversy we have here over these films sometimes, it's nice to get an awesome picture to remind us just what we're waiting for. Cool

For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much -- the wheel, New York, wars, and so on -- while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man, for precisely the same reasons. -- Douglas Adams


dormouse
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Jun 23 2011, 2:14pm

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I think they look perfect.... [In reply to] Can't Post

... both the Bilbo and Gandalf and the interior of Bag End. Not sure how anyone thinks they know which dwarf is which from that picture, still, whichever they are I reckon what I can see looks pretty good. Enough like Gimli to be recognisably from the same world, yet distinct enough to be recognisable individuals.

It's really happening! Smile


Earl
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Jun 23 2011, 2:15pm

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WOW! This is right out of left field and no mistake. Who ever expected to see so much this early in the production?

I am thoroughly excited about Gandalf the Grey, but mildly concerned about the look of Bilbo and the Dwarves (or rather Thorin, as he's the only one I can see with any bit of clarity). Bilbo's ears and feet look tremendous and his clothes look a wee bit shabby given his prim and proper pre-adventure lifestyle; and Thorin looks decades younger than I'd always imagined in my head.

But hey! I'm not cribbing. I can live with all these personal little nigglings... PJ's always had my vote,my trust, and I'm just so glad all's coming along so well Cool



DrDeath153
Lorien

Jun 23 2011, 2:17pm

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Well while it may be a double bluff [In reply to] Can't Post

The significance of the dwarf in the centre, his placement relative to the table (remember also the seating plan we heard PJ going through in the production video) and the striking resemblance to the person playing Thorin does seem to suggest that it is indeed he.

I'd also take a slightly less certain prediction that the white-haired dwarf towards the back is Balin, although he might not be the only dwarf with white hair so i can't be sure.

Dr Death


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Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth
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Jun 23 2011, 2:20pm

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OMG OMG OMG OMG [In reply to] Can't Post

This is AMAZING!!!! I am so glad they have released a pic so early!!! **collapses with excitement**

All you have to decide is what to do with the time that has been given to you...


macfalk
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Jun 23 2011, 2:21pm

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As mentioned I'm not a big fan of this Thorin pic, but at least PJ didn't give him antlers...



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.

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Flagg
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Jun 23 2011, 2:22pm

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Freeman looks terrific [In reply to] Can't Post

I always imagined Bilbo in more of a green waistcoat and trousers with a yellow shirt for some reason, but I like the casual way he's dressed here, and it will be interesting to see how he looks when he's out and about on his adventures. I pictured him with reddish-brown hair, and this isn't too far off. I don't seem to recall Bilbo reading a scroll in the book – have I forgotten something? Does anyone know what that's about? Thorin looks far too young for my liking; I'd been hoping they'd use make-up to compensate for his age, and that they'd cast him for reasons of fitness rather than looks, but his youthful appearance here puts a bit of a damper on that theory. I hope the other Dwarves are more Dwarvish.


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Jun 23 2011, 2:25pm

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'Antlers'? [In reply to] Can't Post

It's curious that you felt this was a threat; I don't seem to recall hearing any suggestion that Thorin would have antlers.


pandoraziki
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Jun 23 2011, 2:29pm

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He's reading New Zealand Actors Equity contract// [In reply to] Can't Post

 


QuackingTroll
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Jun 23 2011, 2:30pm

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Del Toro... [In reply to] Can't Post

wanted to give him antlers with thorns on coz his name sounds like thorn...


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Jun 23 2011, 2:34pm

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Really? That's news to me. [In reply to] Can't Post

I thought he wanted to put the antlers on his helmet.


little mouse
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Jun 23 2011, 2:37pm

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Thorin looks like Blackbeard from Potc [In reply to] Can't Post

I thought he would have white hair and beard, he looks too young but I still like the costume
Bilbo is perfectSmileSmile


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Jun 23 2011, 2:37pm

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I think he's reading the terms... [In reply to] Can't Post

He'll problly look at this gigantic list and read aloud "Terms: cash on delivery, up to and not exceeding one fourteenth of total profits (if any); all travelling expenses guaranteed in any event..." etc.


Carne
Tol Eressea

Jun 23 2011, 2:37pm

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Nice! [In reply to] Can't Post

Guessing from where they are sitting in the video Jackson posted on his FB, the white haired dwarf is Jed Brophy and the bald one on the left is James Nesbitt.


Morok Cloudkeeper
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Jun 23 2011, 2:40pm

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Great! [In reply to] Can't Post

Martin Freeman looks great as Bilbo and Gandalf hasn't changed a little bit.And just look a those big hairy feet!Smile

Power can be held in the smallest of things...



Earl
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Jun 23 2011, 2:40pm

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Oh my goodness! YES he does. Not sure what to think :| // [In reply to] Can't Post

 



dave_lf
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Jun 23 2011, 2:42pm

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Film Thorin [In reply to] Can't Post

I think we should be prepared for the likelihood that film Thorin, like film Aragorn, will be a rather different character than his book counterpart. It is clear that he will at least be a great deal younger. It may also be significant that the official press release referred to him as a "great warrior" rather than as a king. He could be both those things, but he could be only one.


Flagg
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Jun 23 2011, 2:44pm

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The Blackbeard resemblance is not strong enough for my liking. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


architecthis
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Jun 23 2011, 2:47pm

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Amazing... [In reply to] Can't Post

and Thorin looks great, what a tough crowd...have faith in Peter


dave_lf
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Jun 23 2011, 2:51pm

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He does [In reply to] Can't Post

I agree that he looks great, but I also think he looks like a different Thorin. I'll tell you what I think about that after more details emerge. Cool


little mouse
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Jun 23 2011, 2:53pm

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And shouldn`t Thorin have a sky blue hood? [In reply to] Can't Post

 


DrDeath153
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Jun 23 2011, 2:55pm

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Faith- yes. Blind faith- no. [In reply to] Can't Post

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DrDeath153
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Jun 23 2011, 2:55pm

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Quite so [In reply to] Can't Post

Tongue

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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Jun 23 2011, 2:56pm

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the feeling of the adventure starting to roll [In reply to] Can't Post

If you look upon the first photo, thorin, if it is him, seems younger than i imagined, but, if you see the rest of the dwarves you will notice that there are older and younger dwarves, i mean, the dwarves we have seen in lotr, are all(except gimli) old, and i dont know if its said in the hobbit book, but tought i imagine thorin being older too, there´s no reason to think this, thorin has a strong character and maybe it would feet in a younger and more energic dwarve,

if you look on the right side of thorin theres seems to be an even younger dwarf than thorin, i mean, this films are expected to show us more of dwarf culture and world, and variety, and the thing that some characters look a slight different (dont forget other characters seem to being designed word by word as in the book: gandalf for example) is part of the audacity of pj and co to give movies is own identity separated from the book, and at the same time being so respectfull and close to the book, and i feel this is some that made pj trilogy speciall and interesting.

and then looking at this photo, the walls of bag end, the look colours an tone of the image, make me feel that are all painted with adventure everywhere, maybe it´s too soon, but maybe i dare to say, they did it, because if bag end looks so full of adventure in a unique image, so imagine all the places since there to the halls of the lonely mountain.

have a good life!!!!!!!!!GOD bless you all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Jun 23 2011, 3:01pm

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and i feel gandalf looks slightly younger too [In reply to] Can't Post

 


deej
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Jun 23 2011, 3:01pm

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Agreed! [In reply to] Can't Post

About this coming out of left field, that is. Wink Thorin does look a little young, but I thought the same thing when I saw the first photo of Elijah as Frodo. I can't wait to see a clear shot of all the dwarves, but just from what little I can see in that first photo, it looks like they've managed to give them all a distinct apperance.

I'm trusting PJ, and am trying (really hard) to save all judgements until I see the finished film.


architecthis
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Jun 23 2011, 3:04pm

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Blind? [In reply to] Can't Post

hes likely not wearing his hood....and how is it blind faith? Have you seen the Lord of the Rings trilogy by chance? :)


Pipe Dream
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Jun 23 2011, 3:05pm

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So who is who? [In reply to] Can't Post




Left: Bofur and Bifur
Right: Hands- ? Then Balin?, Nori
Center: Thorin

Bilbo perhaps rolled up his sleeves to serve?

"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.

(This post was edited by Pipe Dream on Jun 23 2011, 3:11pm)


acheron
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Jun 23 2011, 3:10pm

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they take their hoods off and hang them up when they come inside, don't they? // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much -- the wheel, New York, wars, and so on -- while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man, for precisely the same reasons. -- Douglas Adams


Flagg
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Jun 23 2011, 3:11pm

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Frodo's youthfulness was justified [In reply to] Can't Post

He received the One Ring when he was 33, so it stands to reason that he would look like a 33-year-old hobbit when he was 50. The 17-year interval may have been eliminated by the film, but the ring's effects on book-Frodo during that period ensured that film-Frodo didn't look too different from him. Hobbits' slow ageing made the casting of the 20-ish Elijah Wood almost completely acceptable. However, it is not possible to rationalise Thorin's reduced age in this way. If my calculations are correct, he is meant to be 195 years old at the time of The Hobbit. Unlike Frodo, Thorin never stopped ageing, and he's had a very difficult life. An actor in late middle age would have been an appropriate choice.


architecthis
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Jun 23 2011, 3:14pm

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yes they take them off [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea


Jun 23 2011, 3:15pm

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how old was gimli at the lotr time? i dont remember [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Flagg
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Jun 23 2011, 3:20pm

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About 139, so Thorin should look significantly older. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


enginemonkey
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Jun 23 2011, 3:24pm

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Nose? [In reply to] Can't Post

Re. Thorin, it's as though this has been staged just to keep the fans happy as opposed to it being a scene during filming. He doesn't even have a prosthetic nose like the other dwarves, which adds to his youthfulness. But Bilbo looks perfect yeeep!!! Yes, I would prefer to see him in a waistcoat and from the front so I can compare him to the sketch I did of Freeman as Bilbo last October (see the Fan Art forum Wink)

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QuackingTroll
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Jun 23 2011, 3:27pm

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Gandalf looks photoshopped... [In reply to] Can't Post

like they pasted his face on top of the picture...


rings7
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Jun 23 2011, 3:29pm

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I need a darn bigger pic in HD and all [In reply to] Can't Post

Love Freeman, he looks great, and if he's reading something, whatever, we already know that from book to screen there's gonna be several differences, so i don't expect this to be 100% canon. His clothes? well, he's in his house he can wear whatever he wants, he's still not out there fighting spiders and what not.

And speaking of canon, if that's Thorin in the center, that's a big NO-NO. He looks too young and too 'pretty.' I thought Richard was gonna have a big transformation there. Not to mention gray hair.

And welcome back Gandalf the Grey!!


Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Jun 23 2011, 3:30pm

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still looks older for me [In reply to] Can't Post

as i see it he looks older because i feel gimli is for me a young dwarf, not a teenager Wink, but the fact he has such a beard is common on dwarves, i see thorin older , but it shocked me first time because i imagined him with withe air too, but fine for me


Ezu
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Jun 23 2011, 3:31pm

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Familiar Faces [In reply to] Can't Post

This painting shows some similarities with the new characters.



painjoiker
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Jun 23 2011, 3:34pm

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Am I the only one who see the GREY highlights in Thorins hair? [In reply to] Can't Post

He looks old to me... :/


Pipe Dream
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Jun 23 2011, 3:36pm

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I thought that as well.. [In reply to] Can't Post

 ...but it could just be the lighting.

"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.

(This post was edited by Pipe Dream on Jun 23 2011, 3:37pm)


Flagg
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Jun 23 2011, 3:37pm

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I love the comments on the Entertainment Weekly article [In reply to] Can't Post


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Any idea what he's reading?


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It's a letter from a deposed prince who needs help getting his money our of Mirkwood and wants Bilbo's bank account number.




rings7
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Jun 23 2011, 3:37pm

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Yep [In reply to] Can't Post

This is exactly how i pictured all the dwarfs. I wouldn't mind if they leave Richard without prosthetic nose and all that, but a little gray perhaps. It's not a tragedy, but he looks middle aged, not an old dude.

We need close ups of each dwarf.


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Jun 23 2011, 3:37pm

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Are Bilbo's ears too big? // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Flagg
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Jun 23 2011, 3:39pm

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I'm going to be optimistic here and say we'll get used to them. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


dave_lf
Gondor

Jun 23 2011, 3:44pm

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! [In reply to] Can't Post

Are you implying that having grey highlights makes one look as old as Thorin! Why I oughta...
Wink


Estel78
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Jun 23 2011, 3:44pm

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They seem bigger than the ears Frodo and company had... [In reply to] Can't Post

The same goes for the feet. Dunno why they did that, looks kinda comical.

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Although: http://www.youthnow.org/...images/21_frodo.jpeg


(This post was edited by Estel78 on Jun 23 2011, 3:49pm)


Bexlin
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Jun 23 2011, 3:45pm

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Most Excellent pics!! [In reply to] Can't Post

Excitement building!!


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jun 23 2011, 3:45pm

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What can I say [In reply to] Can't Post

Bilbo is as I would have him.
Thorin is as I expected.
Gandalf is Gandalf.

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Life is an adventure, not a contest.

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deej
Tol Eressea


Jun 23 2011, 3:49pm

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True, but... [In reply to] Can't Post

I still think it's difficult to tell exactly how Thorin and Company are going to look in the finished film from seeing them in the background of this one shot. They may very well look much older.

And Elijah was only 17 when he was cast as Frodo; still pretty young for a Hobbit! I think he did a brilliant job and didn't have a problem with his age at all, but I know a couple of people who still think he was too young to play the role!


Symbelmine
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Jun 23 2011, 3:50pm

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Martin Freeman is absolutely adorable as Bilbo. [In reply to] Can't Post



Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Jun 23 2011, 3:52pm

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ears and feet comical [In reply to] Can't Post

maybe middle earth its going to be the same but bilbo is more comical and the thing of the ears and feet being bigger its a good way to express it, he is going to be fun , but brave, and seein g the photo of bilbo and froro as young men i can feel the different spirit of both characters


eralkfang
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Jun 23 2011, 3:53pm

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Casual at-home hobbit wear… [In reply to] Can't Post

Yeah, I think Bilbo's wearing very casual clothes because they came on him unexpectedly at home and he's been serving the meal—it's the basics of a male hobbit's wardrobe. And this does look like a staged shot rather than a production still, which the Gandalf photo resembles. I didn't realize how much I missed Gandalf's awesome arm warmers/old man gloves; it gives him such a haphazard, practical air.

And I stupidly just realized that the letter is probably his contract. Hee.


Snulle
Bree

Jun 23 2011, 3:55pm

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Even EW Spells Ian's name wrong. [In reply to] Can't Post

Here is the direct link to the picture of Gandalf.
http://img2.timeinc.net/...Ian-Mckellan_610.jpg


Crazy


Flagg
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Jun 23 2011, 3:58pm

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I just noticed the same thing [In reply to] Can't Post

Those tricksy technical people think they can get away with misspellings as long as they hide them away in filenames...


rings7
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Jun 23 2011, 4:00pm

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I don't see highlights at all but [In reply to] Can't Post

who's the oldest of the dwarfs here?


ShireHorse
Rohan

Jun 23 2011, 4:01pm

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Thorin is as I expected him too, Kangi Ska..... [In reply to] Can't Post

......although in a good way and not in an eyes rolling up in the head sort of way, LOL! I wiped my mind clean of any images of dwarves it had received from children's books and concentrated on Thorin's actions and behavior throughout The Hobbit - and this is the picture I came up with: muscular and athletic, regal, arrogant, brooding, an obvious leader. I also expected slightly receding dark hair and a beard with plaits in front of the ears and a touch of grey. I agree those might be grey highlights and we might even have plaits! I'm not uptight about the age and prefer a younger-looking Thorin. It looks as though I got my wish. The costume is great. too.


Kristin Thompson
Rohan


Jun 23 2011, 4:03pm

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Why not Gandalf? [In reply to] Can't Post

He's been my favorite character since I first read the brand-new Ballantine paperbacks in 1965. "He had eaten most, talked most, and laughed most." (Hobbit, Chapter 2) What's not to love? Having Ian play him makes it all the better. (I just hope they keep in the line about the cold chicken and pickles!)


Eruonen
Valinor


Jun 23 2011, 4:06pm

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Keep clicking the photos and you jump to a perfect "she elf" [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.ew.com/...641,00.html?stitched

Jennifer Lawrence (Katniss Everdeen)
Hunger Games

Though Donald Sutherland would not fit The Hobbit he has a good look here:

http://www.ew.com/...641_20970316,00.html

And finally another good Hobbit
http://www.ew.com/...641_20967711,00.html
Toby Jones

A Ronin twin?
http://www.ew.com/...641_20944252,00.html


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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Jun 23 2011, 4:12pm

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While I share that hope [In reply to] Can't Post

I would be pretty surprised (pleasantly though).

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namarie
Rohan


Jun 23 2011, 4:17pm

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OMG..I thought it was April's fools :))) [In reply to] Can't Post

I couldn't belive the picture is for real Laugh

Freeman is so cute..and I can see Thorin in the background..

Now I'm dancing :))


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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Jun 23 2011, 4:19pm

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Me too [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't have a big problem with a somewhat younger Thorin, so long as he character is basically right. That obviously remains to be seen (and heard).

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Pipe Dream
Gondor


Jun 23 2011, 4:24pm

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It may be a practical thing. [In reply to] Can't Post

The ears and feet look ok to me, but they may have had to tweak them, so they would look the same on both actors. Ian and Martin. Their ears are similar but not exactly the same.



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RoseCotton
Lorien


Jun 23 2011, 4:26pm

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It hadn't occurred to me before, but... [In reply to] Can't Post

In a parallel universe, I bet Donald Sutherland could've made a great Gandalf (or Saruman for that matter).


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Though Donald Sutherland would not fit The Hobbit he has a good look here:

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The Grey Wanderer
Lorien


Jun 23 2011, 4:32pm

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That was my guess; a typically PJ over-sized contract (remember the mace from LOTR)// [In reply to] Can't Post

 


dormouse
Half-elven

Jun 23 2011, 4:34pm

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Well, let's just be glad we've got Ian McKellen.... [In reply to] Can't Post

...and the rest. I don't think anyone else could have made such a good Gandalf. For today i'm just happy to celebrate the photographs - we've waited so long!


namarie
Rohan


Jun 23 2011, 4:37pm

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I think the dwarf wit the grey hair is Balin [In reply to] Can't Post

It looks like Ken Stott to me.


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Eowyn of Penns Woods
Valinor


Jun 23 2011, 4:46pm

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Hmmm...Last night on Jimmy Fallon's show [In reply to] Can't Post

Elijah Wood said that the hobbit feet technology had advanced, and they no longer need glue. It could just be a creative change, but maybe the new technology has something to do with it, too.

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RosieLass
Valinor


Jun 23 2011, 4:48pm

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Maybe it's just me... [In reply to] Can't Post

...but that looks more like a painting than a photograph.

And I can barely see the dwarves, although that's more the fault of my eyes and my contact lenses than the picture. Tongue

But Bilbo looks fabulous. I love it!



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RosieLass
Valinor


Jun 23 2011, 4:57pm

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And everyone does realize that... [In reply to] Can't Post

...this is just a snapshot, and that there is a lot of processing that goes on after the film is shot.

So it's a little early to be worrying about "bad" makeup and such.



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pasi
The Shire

Jun 23 2011, 5:03pm

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A really good actor [In reply to] Can't Post

And he is a really good actor. Look at the pose .It is what makes the difference: The aura. Fantastic picture.


pasi
The Shire

Jun 23 2011, 5:05pm

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A really good actor [In reply to] Can't Post

And he is a really good actor. Look at the pose .It is what makes the difference: The aura. Fantastic picture. Agree with you


Patty
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Jun 23 2011, 5:09pm

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Wow...these look awesome! [In reply to] Can't Post

Bilbo could very well be a young Ian Holm--in other words, necessary continuity is preserved.

Gandalf the Grey is just so wonderful.

We're going back to Middle-earth next year guys. Can't wait!

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Patty
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Jun 23 2011, 5:12pm

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And the "seed cake" ! / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Radagast_the_Brown
Rivendell


Jun 23 2011, 5:13pm

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*wets themself with excitement* [In reply to] Can't Post

Laugh

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namarie
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Jun 23 2011, 5:14pm

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I love Gandalf photo too.He's perfect // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


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Darkstone
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Jun 23 2011, 5:24pm

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Forget the feet, I think his nose is too big. [In reply to] Can't Post

And his neck is too thick. And you can see the tan line where he wears his wristwatch!

He's all wrong! He's nothing like the Bilbo in my head! Jackson is messing up bigtime!! How could he since LOTR was so *perfect*!! It's going to be a big disaster!!! Arrrgggghhhhhhhh!!!!

(Oh, and by the way, just a thought: I wonder why studios are so hesitant about releasing production photos before a movie comes out?)

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marillaraina
Rohan

Jun 23 2011, 5:24pm

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New pics [In reply to] Can't Post

I agree, I mean I KNEW Bilbo would be perfect because well I could just picture Freeman as a Hobbit, it didnt even take much imagination. And it's amazing how 12 years don't seem to have passed at all with Gandalf the Grey, he looks just as he should.

I think what little we can see of the dwarves looks terrific. I mean they've said from the start there would be fewer prosthetics and IMO that's fine, just because Gimli looked a certain way doesn't mean all dwarves need to, they are just like humans in that they have a variety of looks.

And from the looks of it, Thorin looks quite tough and warrior like, definitely "kingly" and more than a little scary(in a good way, like he's not a guy you necessarily want to mess with). He reminds me very much of that, was it John Howe's?, drawing of Thorin Oakenshiled. So I think he's perfect. I like the other dwarves we can see lurking too, the white haired one(sorry I can't remember which dwarf that is) and the dark haired one that I'm assuming is Kili because he looks youngish.

I now have no worries about it whatsoever(aside from a slight nervousness about Tauriel I just can't see the need to add characters not in the book)


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As is already said, Bilbo looks pretty much as we knew he would look, and it's nice to see him and all. BUT DAMN, the last time we saw Gandalf the Grey was when he dropped off the Bridge of Khazad-dum and the White edition just wasn't quite the same.

I'm suprised we got this much already. The Dwarves, from the little we can see, look absolutely perfect. These images made me trust PJ even more.



Bound
Rohan


Jun 23 2011, 5:25pm

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Wonderfull stuff.. [In reply to] Can't Post

Nice to see photo's so soon into production.

I'm not going to start judging the dwarfs by that picture though... heck i'm not going to judge them by any photos. I'll wait to see the movies ...

Freeman looks perfect but then he always did in my head..

Gandalf looks like Gandalf no doubt. It literally looks like his face from the scene in Fellowship, where he was sitting beside the fire and was thinking about the ring...

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dormouse
Half-elven

Jun 23 2011, 5:30pm

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Nice one, Darkstone! // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Bound
Rohan


Jun 23 2011, 5:32pm

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... [In reply to] Can't Post

Are you joking or being serious??? I can't tell sorry...

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marillaraina
Rohan

Jun 23 2011, 5:35pm

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LOL, great one Darkstone. [In reply to] Can't Post


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And his neck is too thick. And you can see the tan line where he wears his wristwatch!

He's all wrong! He's nothing like the Bilbo in my head! Jackson is messing up bigtime!! How could he since LOTR was so *perfect*!! It's going to be a big disaster!!! Arrrgggghhhhhhhh!!!!

(Oh, and by the way, just a thought: I wonder why studios are so hesitant about releasing production photos before a movie comes out?)



Estel78
Tol Eressea

Jun 23 2011, 5:42pm

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Most likely these are not even shots from the movie... [In reply to] Can't Post

... but staged specifically for early promotion and taken with a still camera. They might not be indicative of how the movie will look in terms of mood, coloring and stuff like that.

The dwarves look photoshoped in.


Earl
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Jun 23 2011, 5:43pm

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HAHA! You are priceless! [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks for putting things into perspective WinkCool



Darkstone
Immortal

Jun 23 2011, 5:44pm

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What a coincidence! [In reply to] Can't Post


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Are you joking or being serious??? I can't tell sorry...


I was wondering the exact same thing about this entire thread!

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djm008
The Shire

Jun 23 2011, 5:44pm

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watch Martin Freeman [In reply to] Can't Post

It looks like Martin weared a watch at his left arm...Can you see it to? Hope you dont see this in the movie...


Bound
Rohan


Jun 23 2011, 5:46pm

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You are right... [In reply to] Can't Post

These are clearly 100% promotional pics. They are not shots from the movie...

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Flagg
Tol Eressea


Jun 23 2011, 5:48pm

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What's wrong with Bilbo having a watch? [In reply to] Can't Post

He has a mantle clock, doesn't he?


Bound
Rohan


Jun 23 2011, 5:48pm

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I'll take it from peoples reactions [In reply to] Can't Post

that you were joking...

I'll take it from your response that you are critical of people's over reactions to these photos...

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seelbach
The Shire

Jun 23 2011, 5:49pm

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I love the ears! [In reply to] Can't Post

I think the big ears are so distinctive, like something from a painting. Also, as for the feet being bigger, I am down with that. I found in LOTR that the feet didn't stand out as being big that much, also they always needed to be hairier to be more like what the book described..


grammaboodawg
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Jun 23 2011, 5:49pm

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omg.... *bursts into tears* [In reply to] Can't Post

There it is.... that overwhelming... mind-bending ... tearful... incredible joy I've only felt with these first times. First images of Frodo & LotR in 2001, first pics of TT and RotK and previews at the theatre... the feeling is indescribable. There's Bilbo! Reading his contract with the Dwarves crammed (pardon the pun) in the kitchen. Peter and Bilbo! *chin quivers* Gandalf is so beautiful! There you are, old friend. I've missed you so much... Everything looks like what I was afraid to dream for ... here it is... magic is coming ...


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''There's no way you can pace yourself for shoots like these,'' Jackson says. ''When we were going through the schedule for The Hobbit, I felt a terrible drop in my stomach when I saw that we'd be shooting for 254 days. We're only 12 days short of The Lord of the Rings even though we're only doing two movies. When I saw that, I had to sort of pick myself up off the floor and carry on.''



Thank you so much Peter. I know you didn't ever want to endure something like this again... but here you are. After all these years fighting to get the Hobbit saved and given a chance. All the turmoil, fear, exasperation, struggle, dreams... here you are again... bringing us home to the Middle-earth we love. For everything you've done and are doing... all of you there making these films... thank you. It means more than I can express. I love you all...

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Flagg
Tol Eressea


Jun 23 2011, 5:50pm

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And now they're complaining about us complaining about Thorin; a vicious cycle. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


marillaraina
Rohan

Jun 23 2011, 5:51pm

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I always forget the subject line... [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm with you, maybe Thorin just got good genes, he is of the line of dwarf kings after all, and did the book itself ever say that Thorin had grey hair?

I don't recall it saying so, and if not that is just an assumption on the parts of those complaining about his hair being too dark(I too thought it looked like it had grey streaks) and seriously Richard Armitage, handsome as he is, has got a pretty big nose as it is, I don't know it would need much in the way of prothetics to make it look bigger. LOL

When I go by the Thorin I read in the books and not by the assumptions made about how he should look, that Thorin was kingly, arrogant, fierce, strong. I'm just saying when I first read the book years ago, without any background on how old dwarves are supposed to look at certain ages, I honestly never imagined Thorin to look "old". I knew he wouldn't look young(and IMO he doesn't) but I never thought he'd look old.

Honestly that picture there of Thorin kind of creeps me out a little and I mean that in the best possible way. :) He looks fierce and strong, intense.

Oh and you know what? Where are the hobbits round fat stomachs, where are the complaints about that? I mean if the appearance needs to match up with the books(or even what's not in the books but just in the mind) then I would think all those fit, trim, hot little hobbitses would have been cause for complaint? :D


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......although in a good way and not in an eyes rolling up in the head sort of way, LOL! I wiped my mind clean of any images of dwarves it had received from children's books and concentrated on Thorin's actions and behavior throughout The Hobbit - and this is the picture I came up with: muscular and athletic, regal, arrogant, brooding, an obvious leader. I also expected slightly receding dark hair and a beard with plaits in front of the ears and a touch of grey. I agree those might be grey highlights and we might even have plaits! I'm not uptight about the age and prefer a younger-looking Thorin. It looks as though I got my wish. The costume is great. too.



(This post was edited by marillaraina on Jun 23 2011, 5:59pm)


Patty
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Jun 23 2011, 5:51pm

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ah. The post I have been waiting for! [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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JJ Moon
The Shire

Jun 23 2011, 5:52pm

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Dwarf makeup and latex prosethics [In reply to] Can't Post

Since John Rhy Davies developed a severe allergy to latex prosthetics during the filming of the LOTR, perhaps they decided to scale back on the applications on this film to avoid future issues. And perhaps, avoid replacing an actor mid way through production because of a similar issue.


R11
Lorien

Jun 23 2011, 5:59pm

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Sweet! [In reply to] Can't Post

It's really kind of sad though isn't it? I feel sorry for some of these people because you just know that their inflexible minds will never allow them to truly enjoy these movies fully Unsure


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grammaboodawg
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Jun 23 2011, 5:59pm

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*still crying* me too, Faenoriel... me too... [In reply to] Can't Post

I love Gandalf the Grey. I just now realized he's my favourite Tolkien creation.... and McKellen is the reason why....

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grammaboodawg
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Jun 23 2011, 6:01pm

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oh Patty... [In reply to] Can't Post

I can't stop crying...

*hug*

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Bound
Rohan


Jun 23 2011, 6:01pm

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They do make some interesting points though.... [In reply to] Can't Post

Some people point out that Bilbo looks rather thin ... which is very in line with PJ's vision of his main Hobbit actors bar Sean Astin. No one seems to complain to loudly about it though for some reason... ...


Personally it doesn't bother me, but Thorin's "look" doesn't bother me either.. well not from this picture at least.

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grammaboodawg
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Jun 23 2011, 6:07pm

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Isn't this all just incredible!? [In reply to] Can't Post

After going through so much... there he is... here we are :) Bless Peter for believing and never giving up...

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grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jun 23 2011, 6:11pm

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did you see that June 22 [In reply to] Can't Post

it's the anniversary of Bilbo and Gandalf coming home to Bag End and finding an auction going on? What timing...


[yeah... still bawling like a fool... ]


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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jun 23 2011, 6:19pm

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Bilbo's Ear Revisited [In reply to] Can't Post

Bilbo's Ear



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Patty
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Jun 23 2011, 6:23pm

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Yeah, you know how as you get older [In reply to] Can't Post

parts of your body shrink.Angelic And droop.

I am so going to love this. I've reached the age where, for the most part, I can just sit back and enjoy the picture. Unless it's too darkly tinted green. I hate dark pictures.

But feet too big? Nose too big? I won't be buying in to any of that.

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Bound
Rohan


Jun 23 2011, 6:23pm

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Looks similar enough... [In reply to] Can't Post

Might have been a bit lower on the older Bilbo but thats true of real life, people's ear's do drop - Not suggesting it was supposed to biologically acurate...

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Flagg
Tol Eressea


Jun 23 2011, 6:23pm

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Interesting... [In reply to] Can't Post

*strokes chin thoughtfully*


rings7
Rohan


Jun 23 2011, 6:25pm

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I forgot about that one. Good point. [In reply to] Can't Post

 


The Grey Pilgrim
Lorien


Jun 23 2011, 6:26pm

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Wow. These are incredible! [In reply to] Can't Post

So many emotions.

It's great to see these so early on Smile


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namarie
Rohan


Jun 23 2011, 6:27pm

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You just took the words out off my mouth [In reply to] Can't Post

or mind Wink

Because I just wanted to say..if you go older your ears will go shorter Laugh


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Patty
Immortal


Jun 23 2011, 6:30pm

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Let me tell you gramma... [In reply to] Can't Post

your enthusiasm is so infectious. I've had a harder time being enthusiastic about this movie. It could be that's because I prefer LotR storyline, or it could be because we've been waiting for this since 2003--I don't know why. But you have helped bring the fun back into this so I thank you!Heart

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rings7
Rohan


Jun 23 2011, 6:31pm

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The Bilbo comments got my attention too. [In reply to] Can't Post

Though in all paintings and pictures (non-PJ's lotr) i see the only 'fat' hobbit that i remember seeing is Sam.


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Jun 23 2011, 6:32pm

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They mostly look the same with some droop removed. [In reply to] Can't Post


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"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.

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maut
Rivendell


Jun 23 2011, 6:33pm

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yahooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [In reply to] Can't Post

I'M HAPPY!!!!
Let's dance!Laugh
All of them look great, but GANDALF!!!! It's fantastic!

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To dungeons deep and caverns old

We must away ere break of day

To seek the pale enchanted gold.
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Bound
Rohan


Jun 23 2011, 6:35pm

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Sam... [In reply to] Can't Post

I think sam was supposed to be Fat, where the other hobbits i think were more "out of shape"... like they had round bellies but not all round fat...

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Flagg
Tol Eressea


Jun 23 2011, 6:38pm

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Tolkien's own drawing of Bilbo looks thin enough to me. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Bound
Rohan


Jun 23 2011, 6:42pm

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I don't know... [In reply to] Can't Post

I think he's got a little pot belly - as i imagine all the other hobbit are supposed to have

http://hilobrow.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/tolkien-bag-end.jpg


That being said, in terms of the films, i prefer the skinny hobbit look.

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Pipe Dream
Gondor


Jun 23 2011, 6:43pm

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The real difference is, it looks like they went... [In reply to] Can't Post

for an all out younger Bilbo, no gray at all.

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QuackingTroll
Valinor


Jun 23 2011, 6:48pm

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Perhaps Donato Giancola has secretly joined the art team? // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Jun 23 2011, 6:49pm

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Freeman as Bilbo has as a little pot belly as well, hasn't he? [In reply to] Can't Post

At least it looks like that to me. He seems to have a little more meat around his belly area. Skinny looks different. Smile


Rufus
Bree

Jun 23 2011, 6:50pm

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Thorin [In reply to] Can't Post

I am re reading the hobbit mainly because I am trying to see where Dr Death is coming from. The problem is I can't see where he is coming from. Where in the book does it actually describe Thorin's features in detail? It doesn't so any intepretation of Thorin is just that an intepretation. You can't say he is not Tolkein's inteoretation because the book doesn't give us those details.

His character and deeds are noted and from what little I can see he fits the bill. Proud noble arogant tough and fearless.

Martin looks like Martin


Bound
Rohan


Jun 23 2011, 6:51pm

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He's thinner than... [In reply to] Can't Post

I used to imagine him in the book...

But again i stress that his look doesn't bother me at all...

The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed


pacochoa
Bree

Jun 23 2011, 6:52pm

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HDR Photography [In reply to] Can't Post

The first image with Bilbo and the dwareves appears to be using HDR phography.
This is a technique where multiple bracketed images are taken simultaneously, then merged into one image.
It can create a surreal look.

Any photography geeks out there that can confirm this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/...ynamic_range_imaging

p.s. I think the first Hobbit promotion pics of PJ sitting bag End also used HDR.


Darkstone
Immortal

Jun 23 2011, 7:01pm

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The same thing happened with the trilogy. [In reply to] Can't Post

Every time a snippet of information such as a photo was released people would get all doom-and-gloom hysterical about it. It got old really fast.

And just like with the trilogy, five years from now people will be saying Martin Freeman's makeup, feet, ears, and all, was absolutely "perfect".

*sigh*

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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”


Jettorex
Lorien


Jun 23 2011, 7:10pm

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woah!!! [In reply to] Can't Post

His ears look waaaaaay too big to me. It looks like a mules ear, or a goats, or kind of like the faun from Narnia. Hope they tone it down for the movie.

Big feet are fine, Thorin, dwarves look great!
And Gandalf....Ahhh Gandalf : )


- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."




(This post was edited by Jettorex on Jun 23 2011, 7:12pm)


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Jun 23 2011, 7:16pm

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Probably because people tend to focus more on such things in a still image. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Jun 23 2011, 7:16pm

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He's old and has a blue cloak. [In reply to] Can't Post

That's basically all we're told. He's either the oldest of the dwarves or the second oldest after Balin. Giving him dark hair is what seems kind of strange, not that many of us are surprised by that decision.


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jun 23 2011, 7:20pm

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Hang in there, Darkstone. [In reply to] Can't Post

It's the first stage in the process of acceptance, you know.

You begin with a mental image you created while reading the books. Then the first image you see which resembles someone else's mental image is a bit of a shock and causes panic. Then the more you see of it, the more you adjust, and by the time people have seen the movies 10 times, all but the most inconsolable will have made their peace with it in one way or another. By the time the DVDs come out, we will be well on our way to perfection...

But I prefer to skip most of the steps and say I like it now. These movies were never going to be exactly like the one in my head. LOTR wasn't, though a few scenes came awfully close. The differences didn't stop me reveling in LOTR and they won't make a dent in my enjoyment of The Hobbit. I don't need "Perfect", I can live very happily with "Very Good to Excellent", which is what I think we'll be getting. Cool

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories


Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth
Lorien


Jun 23 2011, 7:24pm

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Now we just have to wait for the first trailer! :-) [In reply to] Can't Post

Who wants to see an official pic of the white council? I know I do!

All you have to decide is what to do with the time that has been given to you...


duats
Grey Havens

Jun 23 2011, 7:30pm

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Wow [In reply to] Can't Post

Now that is a hobbit if I've ever seen one. The larger ears and feet, in my honest opinion, are a big improvement over what we saw in LoTR. I am completely on board with that change, and do not mind the slight incontinuity. Freeman looks flawless. It would've been nice seeing him in a waist coat, but I'm sure we will in good time. So I'm not going to fret over that minor detail.

Gandalf the Grey is also perfect. There is nothing to be said. All we can do is bask in the glory that is Ian McKellen.

From the few I'm seeing, I am very satisfied with the dwarves. Diverse facial structures and unique hair styles. The two on the left are probably Bofur and Bifur. Going by the face, I'm guessing the white-haired one is Nori. I'm drawing a complete blank on the dwarf on the right.

Now onto Thorin...

I've been one of the big advocates for an older Thorin. Those familiar with my posts know my reasoning, so they need not be repeated. I was concerned that they would simply take Armitage and slap a black wig and beard on him. Which is what they seem to have done. Honestly, the comparison to Ian McShane's Blackbeard is almost uncanny. It just looks like a younger version.

Compared to the other dwarves, Thorin looks a bit out-of-place. The others have exaggerated dwarf-like features, whereas he has more refined and handsome features. In short, he looks like an attractive man with a beard and pointy ears. And while I'm just going to have to reconcile with the fact that we are getting a more youthful characterization of Thorin (for reasons that await to be seen), I would have at least liked to see him with steel-colored hair. Just something to show that he was starting to get up there in years. The black hair doesn't kill it for me, but it also does nothing for me. All it does is make him blend in with the others - which disappoints me a bit.

Nitpicks aside, this was just wonderful to come home to.


(This post was edited by duats on Jun 23 2011, 7:34pm)


rings7
Rohan


Jun 23 2011, 7:31pm

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Martin without any make up [In reply to] Can't Post

or prosthetic already looks like a hobbit himself.

And i remember ages ago someone said Legolas wasn't even blond. How do they get the descriptions? cause i don't remember them either.

So far i'm happy with what i've seen. A little more gray on Thorin but it's not a huge deal.


rings7
Rohan


Jun 23 2011, 7:39pm

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Two things [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm betting the one on the right in the pic is Kili. I see some Aidan Turner there.

Another thing is that you might find ironic that Ian McShane was just cast as a dwarf in the upcoming Snow White film.


mykonos
Bree


Jun 23 2011, 7:42pm

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It's kinda blurry... [In reply to] Can't Post

So I'll wait for more clear photos to make judgments on what the dwarves look like. Thorin is the only one you can really actually sorta make out, the rest are farther away and way more blurry than Thorin already is.

I'd rather even wait to see the film before making judgments ;) Or at least the trailer to see them in action.


duats
Grey Havens

Jun 23 2011, 7:42pm

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I don't know [In reply to] Can't Post

Unless they changed it from the rehearsal, Kili is sitting at the opposite end of the table next to Bombur.


DrDeath153
Lorien

Jun 23 2011, 7:44pm

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It's the stuff you get from reading around the character [In reply to] Can't Post

I'll be honest, Tolkien doesn't give a proper physical description of Thorin apart from the detail of his hood. But Tolkien does provide us with facts about him and a solid impression of him. We know for instance that he is the most senior of the dwarves both in terms of social rank and age. Balin is said to look 'old' and have white hair and yet he's something like 20 years younger than Thorin, so it makes sense that Thorin, even at his best preserved would be at least graying. The significance of his absolute age and the comparison to the effects of aging on Balin is if you like the cornerstone of my argument in terms of the physical depiction of Thorin, but as much of my desire for an older Thorin is to do with the impression of him as it is to do with actual amount of detail Tolkien provides on his physical description (which lets face it, even at the best of times isn't exactly comprehensive).

It's the kind of clues you get by reading between the lines and it seems to be fairly universal since while people may support the notion of a younger Thorin now it's on the cards, it never really occurred to anyone before it was announced. There wasn't a single 'perfect cast' list i read that had anyone under 50 as Thorin, let alone someone under 40. The clues are there in the disapproving fatherly way he acts towards Bilbo, the way he mirrors Bilbo in being at a turning point in his life, his circumstances at the point he decided to follow Gandalf's hairbrained scheme (195, heirless, lost for ideas and running out of time), the way he assumes authority and refuses to take advice from anyone, the old fashioned attitudes he represents and espouses- the clues are everywhere seeping through in the fabric of the character but you have to have your eyes open if you are to see them and so frankly those who have come on here today and said 'well i reread The Hobbit and didn't see where it said Thorin is old' are kind of like the same people who say there's no sex in Jane Austen, willfully taking the book just on face value rather than acknowledging the value of the effect the author creates and the suggestive clues they place to guide you in building your mental images.

Dr Death


DrDeath153
Lorien

Jun 23 2011, 7:47pm

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Ironic or telling? [In reply to] Can't Post

God forbid i should have to edit in footage of Snow White to get a Thorin that works Wink

Dr Death


Darkstone
Immortal

Jun 23 2011, 7:49pm

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Yeah, it's just... [In reply to] Can't Post

...I can just picture some suit going "Holy Napkins! The fans are hate this and they know best! Maybe we better step in and over-rule Jackson and fix this thing! After all, there is $500 million on the line! At least put a lid on all production images until the film is released so we get at least some opening day audience before it tanks!!'

I remember New Line similarly panicking, with executives actually getting in at fist fight after the 15 minute segment of FOTR shown at Cannes (The Moria fight scene). As a result Shaye sold off about 90% of various rights of the films (and bragged about it) in order to minimize his losses from what was then known as "New Line's Folly". Most of Hollywood was pretty sure New Line was going to go bankrupt. Imagine if Shaye had listened to the fans who said Blanchett was too ugly, or McKellen was too closely associated with his Magneto role.

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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”


(This post was edited by Darkstone on Jun 23 2011, 7:51pm)


DrDeath153
Lorien

Jun 23 2011, 7:52pm

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"Honestly that picture there of Thorin kind of creeps me out a little...He looks fierce and strong, intense." [In reply to] Can't Post

That'll be the botox. Tongue

Dr Death


hutch
Rohan


Jun 23 2011, 7:58pm

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you guys have some good eyes [In reply to] Can't Post

all i can really make out is an intentionally blurry pick, but Thorin does clearly look like one of the young Dwarves but he doesnt look bad at all to me. the one next to him is clearly the Aidan Turner as Kili. Other than that i cannot tell who is who.


gilgalad80
The Shire

Jun 23 2011, 7:59pm

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Absolute perfection! [In reply to] Can't Post

Wow.. I really missed Gandalf the Grey. He hasn't aged a day.

The casting is sublime for these films.. Martin Freeman looks like he just popped out of the book.

Love the mysterious lighting in the room with the dwarves in the background. They also look perfect and very distinctive..

C'mon 2012 get here fast!! Can't wait for the extended edition (2013 Crazy).. I totally geek out on the extended editions.Smile


(This post was edited by gilgalad80 on Jun 23 2011, 8:02pm)


DrDeath153
Lorien

Jun 23 2011, 8:02pm

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On the other hand [In reply to] Can't Post

Imagine what would have happened if PJ didn't listen to the cries of fans about Xenarwen? If everyone just said 'faith in PJ' and let him get on with it. It's a two way street.

Dr Death


Darkstone
Immortal

Jun 23 2011, 8:04pm

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Actually... [In reply to] Can't Post

...it was Jackson listening to Liv Tyler and Fran Walsh.

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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”


entmaiden
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jun 23 2011, 8:07pm

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Yes - by the time [In reply to] Can't Post

the fans heard about Arwen at Helm's Deep, the decision had been made.


hutch
Rohan


Jun 23 2011, 8:09pm

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i feel your pain [In reply to] Can't Post

but i always assumed they do that to Thorin as the 'leading man' so it doesnt bother me much. they also probably want more distinctive cosmetic separation for each of the dwarves for non-readers' sake. i dunno. it just doesnt bother me too much. they look pretty good from what i can see.


hutch
Rohan


Jun 23 2011, 8:11pm

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part of 'having faith in PJ' [In reply to] Can't Post

is letting him explore his options and making the right decision in the end. that's what happens in the creative process. doesnt always turn out well, but for the most part he's on point.


(This post was edited by hutch on Jun 23 2011, 8:12pm)


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Jun 23 2011, 8:16pm

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These look fantastic! [In reply to] Can't Post

Bilbo looks great, pretty much as I imagined him, without his red coat of course, which will be seen later. Gandalf, ah Gandalf, looks exactly the same. From what I can see, the dwarves all look different and have different amounts of makeup and prosthesis, that's a very good sign. Glad they're allowing the actors to act this time around by not burdening them with overdone makeup and prosthesis. Thorin looks great to me, strong features, and dark clothing. Can't wait to see the rest of the article! Forgot to mention the dwarf to the left that's bald! That's amazing! It looks just like that famous painting with the dwarves. Hopefully we see some other dwarves with jewelry as well on their beard and hair.

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien

(This post was edited by Maiarmike on Jun 23 2011, 8:21pm)


rings7
Rohan


Jun 23 2011, 8:17pm

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LOL [In reply to] Can't Post

My bro actually said that Richard looks like a good Thorin with botox. Laugh


hutch
Rohan


Jun 23 2011, 8:18pm

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also dont forget [In reply to] Can't Post

sometimes filmmakers play with the fans. i remember seeing pics of 'Rorschach' from 'Watchmen' without red hair but in the film he had his signature Gingerness. They just didnt want to give it away before people saw the film so they doctored the press release photos. it's a long shot in this case, but, hey, it's been known to happen. have faith. you will enjoy yourself heartily im betting...


ShireHorse
Rohan

Jun 23 2011, 8:20pm

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Sigh...... [In reply to] Can't Post

Ian McShane is an old man but he is always cast with black hair. How is it OK for him to have black hair but Thorin not, Dr D? Presumably, if McShane had been cast as Thorin you would have accepted his black hair. I really do wish, for your own enjoyment, you could accept this casting. If you can't, then I have only one solution: you go and see McShane in Snow White and I'll go and see Richard Armitage in The Hobbit.


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jun 23 2011, 8:27pm

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Thorin's Hair Color [In reply to] Can't Post

Thorin;s hair color was not mentioned but Ballin's was. Balin was described as "a very old-looking dwarf", with white hair and a long white beard. I guess because Balin was younger than Thorin I always assumed that Thorin would be gray too.

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
Life is an adventure, not a contest.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jun 23 2011, 8:29pm

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Balin is younger.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
Life is an adventure, not a contest.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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mendil
Rivendell


Jun 23 2011, 8:33pm

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You can just make out a female woodland elf serving beer on the upper left ... [In reply to] Can't Post

(Pics are awesome! But that's been said, no?)

"... But of bliss and glad life there is little to be said, before it ends; as works fair and wonderful, while still they endure for eyes to see, are their own record, and only when they are in peril or broken for ever do they pass into song."


Patty
Immortal


Jun 23 2011, 8:34pm

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LoL, Dr. Death! *mods up*. [In reply to] Can't Post

what a sense of humor TORnFolk have.

Permanent address: Into the West





RosieLass
Valinor


Jun 23 2011, 8:36pm

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I never thought about it one or or the other. [In reply to] Can't Post

To be honest, when I'm reading, I don't picture faces and details anyway. Maybe I'm just weird, but my mental images of most book characters are just shadowy humanoids (or whatever-oids they happen to be...).

With an occasional exception, if the author makes a point of it, such as a large handlebar mustache on Poirot or something.

Therefore, the fact that Tolkien specifies that Balin is a "very old looking dwarf" suggests to me that it's a detail that sets him apart from the others. And thus, Thorin is not necessarily old looking.

In any case, looks can be deceiving. My own father, before he began getting physical frail, looked a good 20 years younger than his actual age.



It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)

(This post was edited by RosieLass on Jun 23 2011, 8:37pm)


Patty
Immortal


Jun 23 2011, 8:36pm

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I must have heard a different version.. [In reply to] Can't Post

I thought the bit at Cannes was loved, and that was what sold suits that this was gonna be great.

Must be another of the many cases of Patty's memory going down the tank.

Permanent address: Into the West





Estel78
Tol Eressea

Jun 23 2011, 8:42pm

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As far as i remember the footage they showed at Cannes was very well received... [In reply to] Can't Post

... and was responsible for the great early buzz.


In Reply To
I remember New Line similarly panicking, with executives actually getting in at fist fight after the 15 minute segment of FOTR shown at Cannes (The Moria fight scene). As a result Shaye sold off about 90% of various rights of the films (and bragged about it) in order to minimize his losses from what was then known as "New Line's Folly". Most of Hollywood was pretty sure New Line was going to go bankrupt. Imagine if Shaye had listened to the fans who said Blanchett was too ugly, or McKellen was too closely associated with his Magneto role.



Rufus
Bree

Jun 23 2011, 8:43pm

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But that is not true [In reply to] Can't Post

My ex was completely grey at 26 my dad barely had a grey hair at 76 when he died. Hair colour has no baring on age.


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Jun 23 2011, 8:45pm

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I agree with whoever mentioned Ian McShane's age and hair. [In reply to] Can't Post

Same with Al Pacino. Those two guys are in their 60's/70's and still have a head of dark hair, and probably always will.

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Jun 23 2011, 8:46pm

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No, your memory is fine. :) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Finrod
Rohan


Jun 23 2011, 8:48pm

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Bingo on the feet [In reply to] Can't Post


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I think the big ears are so distinctive, like something from a painting. Also, as for the feet being bigger, I am down with that. I found in LOTR that the feet didn't stand out as being big that much, also they always needed to be hairier to be more like what the book described..


You’re right about the movies getting the poor Hobbits’ feet completely wrong. They are not supposed to be immensely oversized, for one thing. And for another, they are just supposed to have hair on their feet’s tops that is just like the hair on their heads, so that they don’t get too cold when walking around unshod — which they didn’t always do, of course, just preferred to.

The Hobbit feet in the movies are kinda gross, actually. They’re a parody at worst and a misunderstanding at best. They are like duck-sized and -shaped, and the thin and straggly foot-hair looks much too much like the hair on Peter’s own feet, if you think about it.

Getting the Hobbits’ feet right is hardly a tremendously subtle point, so I’ve never understood how Peter and Company could have gotten them so very wrong, which they’ve clearly done. Of course, Peter daren’t change them now, but they are not what the books say they should be.

…all eyes looked upon the ring; for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarfin and his house.
The Silmarillion, pp 150-151
while Felagund laughs beneath the trees
in Valinor and comes no more
to this grey world of tears and war.
The Lays of Beleriand, p 311




duats
Grey Havens

Jun 23 2011, 8:49pm

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True [In reply to] Can't Post

So I guess I'd ask - why then couldn't a younger Thorin have steel-colored hair? Make him stand out a little bit more amongst a group of dark-haired dwarves?


FarFromHome
Valinor


Jun 23 2011, 8:52pm

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I suppose even suits [In reply to] Can't Post

must have figured out by now that the more extreme of the fans don't represent the silent (or at least, less vocal) majority. PJ clearly knows what resonates with the larger audience that the suits need to get into those cinema seats.

Right now, the more rigidly literal of the fans are still trying to crowbar the images they see into the characters they know from the book. But once the movies come out, the characters will take on lives of their own, separate from the ones in the book. The look will suit those characters, so that after a while, as you say, everyone will be quite convinced that they were "perfect" all along...

They went in, and Sam shut the door.
But even as he did so, he heard suddenly,
deep and unstilled,
the sigh and murmur of the Sea upon the shores of Middle-earth.
From the unpublished Epilogue to the Lord of the Rings



Rufus
Bree

Jun 23 2011, 8:55pm

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sorry [In reply to] Can't Post

This post is kind of condescending. Just because people may not have read every world published about middle earth doesn't make their opinion is less valid. I have read this book and reread it. Between the lines as well. If I'm truthful I still view it as childrens book a good one but not some epic piece of litreature. I think a lot of the action scenes could have been expanded and I hope PJ does that.

Thorin by Dwarf years is middle aged so is Armitage. He certain does not look young or handsome or as if he has botox in that blurred image.

Dr Death you want Armitage sacked if the same fashion as Stuart Townsend and I find that sad.


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Jun 23 2011, 8:56pm

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That and most have learned how [In reply to] Can't Post

to read the Interwebs since LOTR; what to ignore, what to pay attention to...


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Jun 23 2011, 8:58pm

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The book describes hobbit feet as oversized, does it not? [In reply to] Can't Post

      
What does it exactly say about that matter? You seem to love quoting whole passages. Wink It's a while since i've read it...

They look appropriately hairy to me.


(This post was edited by Estel78 on Jun 23 2011, 9:05pm)


RosieLass
Valinor


Jun 23 2011, 9:02pm

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Maybe they think he has enough other outstanding features. [In reply to] Can't Post

Such as a commanding presence and a deep voice, so that a grey beard would just be overkill. Or maybe they're going to set him apart with clothing or jewelry. (Remember his fine silver chain?)

Or perhaps they want Balin to be the "old" dwarf.



It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)


RosieLass
Valinor


Jun 23 2011, 9:09pm

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I find myself conflicted. [In reply to] Can't Post

On the one hand, how the characters *look* isn't even in the Top Ten List of things I'm worried about. As long as the character is right, and the performance is right, I'm not going to quibble over a character's appearance. Within reason, of course. I think I might have something to say if, for example, PJ put the dwarves in bright red plastic noses and gunboat shoes with turned up toes. Crazy

On the other hand, the admonition to "Trust Peter" has always gotten up my nose a little bit, because I've seen LOTR and a lot of it sticks in my craw. So I do NOT entirely trust him. Unimpressed And it always ticked the tar out of me to get my head snapped off for presuming to criticize.

I'm not saying that's happening here. That's just what I felt when LOTR came out.



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marillaraina
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Jun 23 2011, 9:12pm

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I always forget the freakin' subject line.... [In reply to] Can't Post


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So I guess I'd ask - why then couldn't a younger Thorin have steel-colored hair? Make him stand out a little bit more amongst a group of dark-haired dwarves?


We can't even tell whether or not those are some grey streaks in his hair but in either case they aren't all going to be dark haired, one has white hair, the other is bald, there may be a blond.

The picture is very blurry, the room is dimly lit, obviously it's not possible to get a fully accurate idea of the shadings.

I also agree with whoever said above that being grey is not necessarily indicative of age as the men in my family(assuming they don't go bald:)) often don't get more than a little grey at the temples until they are in their 70's and I'm sure everyone knows people are all grey in 30' s or 40's. So even that isn't necessarily a sign post.

With regards to Balin, to me the fact that it was specifically pointed out that Balin was very old looking meant that it was unusual. There was no reason to point out that Balin was very old looking unless he stood out for that reason, imo, including as compared to the older in years Thorin.


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Or perhaps they want Balin to be the "old" dwarf.


That's a good point as well, there are probably some specifical "traits" they want to hit, just to set the various characters apart a bit. There will probably be the more comic ones and the more serious ones, the ones with certain physical traits that set them apart and as for Thorin, well he's going to have Richard Armitage's voice, that right there should set him apart pretty well. :D


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Darkstone
Immortal

Jun 23 2011, 9:28pm

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Yes indeed. [In reply to] Can't Post

Cannes was the turning point. Prior to that the atmophere among the suits was extremely tense. With various mega-expensive flops (Remember Adam Sandler's "Little Nicky", Kevin Costner's "13 Days", and Warren Beatty's "Town & Country"? Probably not.) New Line seemed doomed, and pink slips were being handed out by the hundreds.

But even after Cannes there was still quite a bit of concern that since the films had all been filmed at once there wasn't time for LOTR to develop as a franchise as had Austin Powers and The Mummy. Ironically of course those two fizzled out while LOTR kept growing.

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marillaraina
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Jun 23 2011, 9:41pm

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Also... [In reply to] Can't Post


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Compared to the other dwarves, Thorin looks a bit out-of-place. The others have exaggerated dwarf-like features, whereas he has more refined and handsome features.


I don't think that seemingly youngish looking elf next to him looks all that exaggerated and he's not exactly ugly IMO(I don't know if he's Kili, as I recall Kili was sitting near the back of the table during that bit of scene set up we saw in that video from way back, but I guess he could be moving around:)) And as for refined, I don't know I actually think he looks pretty creepy myself, maybe not ugly but honestly, imo, he doesn't really look all that handsome BUT he does look kind of "attractive", in a slightly creepy, intense kind of way, and that is something that often goes beyond simple "features" and is sort of innate in the person.

As for Blackbeard well considering all the people who apparently thought Ian McShane would be good I guess one could say he'd have looked much the same so what's the problem if Richard looks that way(and frankly I don't know how you can tell how old he looks given that picture is completely blurry, even the grey haired dwarf looks pretty young IMO, if you ignore the fact that people tend to think "grey = old")


LordMaximus
Rivendell


Jun 23 2011, 9:56pm

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Drogo [In reply to] Can't Post

Thought the exact same thing.


rings7
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Jun 23 2011, 10:00pm

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I knew it would end up being like that. [In reply to] Can't Post

Somehow i (and i stated before) do see resemblance between the two actors (Armitage and McShane). And my first impression when i saw this particular pic was that Thorin looks like how Ian McShane naturally looks. I don't know if that makes sense.

If that would've been Mcshane, Thorin wouldn't have looked that much different.


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Sharky
Bree


Jun 23 2011, 10:46pm

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Freeman looks great! [In reply to] Can't Post

Martin Freeman looks great as the young Baggins! Can't wait to see the clips of his performance at some stage...

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Maiarmike
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Jun 23 2011, 11:38pm

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Another thing that caught my eye. [In reply to] Can't Post

The quote about the shoot being over 250 days long, and only 12 days short of LotR shoot. Wow! Shocked That's a ton of filming, not even taking into account the breaks in the schedule, which equals up to probably a year and a half of shooting, plus pick-ups.

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
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sphdle1
Gondor


Jun 23 2011, 11:49pm

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Yeah, those feet are huge ... kool! // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Maiarmike
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Jun 24 2011, 12:02am

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There's a bit more in this story in The Daily Mail online. [In reply to] Can't Post

There are a few quotes that aren't on EW's site yet. It mentions in the article that the long film was split in two to "recreate the thousand-plus pages". Thousand+ pages of screenplay is quite a bit, but I can't help but rub my hands greedily in anticipation of all that Middle-Earth. Smile
Have a look.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...nt-fantasy-film.html

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien

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squire
Half-elven


Jun 24 2011, 12:41am

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That doesn't make any sense [In reply to] Can't Post

Debbie Emery at the Daily Mail seems to be interpreting the Entertainment Weekly article for her readers, and getting a lot of it wrong, systematically confusing The Hobbit with The Lord of the Rings:
The famous book by Tolkien has been split into two films, The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey and The Hobbit: There and Back Again, and the cast and crew endured a mammoth 254 day shoot to recreate the thousand-plus pages. (Daily Mail online, 6/23/11)
Notice the past tense "endured" as if the film's shooting is complete. In the EW article that gives the 254 day figure for the film shoot, Jackson is clearly talking about his reaction to seeing the Hobbit schedule beforehand. And of course, The Hobbit book is about 300 pages long. It is The Lord of the Rings that is about 1000 pages in three volumes, but as Jackson says, the LotR shoot was not 254 days, but 266 days.

One has to wonder how on earth The Hobbit, a book 1/3 the length and complexity of LotR, first becomes a film 2/3 the length of the LotR film, and then requires an almost equal amount of time for filming. I suspect the budget is the answer: when you budget a film at $500 million in expectation of making $2+ billion, you are basically inflating the film and its shooting schedule to justify the budget.

(I don't think the Hobbit screenplays are what is meant, either. The rule of thumb is that a screenplay page is about 1 minute of film, so a 1000-page screenplay would be for 16+ hours of screen time!)



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hutch
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Jun 24 2011, 12:53am

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none of us entirely agree with PJ [In reply to] Can't Post

i am a die hard supporter of PJ in the grand scheme. but anyone who knows me knows i cringe over much of ROTK. but at the end of the day i 'trust' him with the overall approach. i guess that is to say i trust him to do a better job than anyone else. people may argue against it but that's where i stand.

for every nit pick or big beef i have with a decision PJ may've made there are at least 3 sighs of relief for something he handled very well that the average director would've ruined. it's easy to assume someone else would've done better but there's no real way of knowing what they would've done or how they may've made handled the film despite what they may've indicated they would do. things change from inception to execution.

im not criiticizing anyone for disagreeing with PJ...but for me small things like the color of Thorin's hair is not a make-or-break issue for me, but i totally understand where DR. D is coming from and he is correct in his assessment. something like that may show a lapse in PJ's judgment which could snowball. it's possible i'm just saying i doubt it so im not stressin.


lurtz2010
Rohan

Jun 24 2011, 12:54am

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gothic Thorin [In reply to] Can't Post

Very badass looking in my opinion, better than the old man in my head.


hutch
Rohan


Jun 24 2011, 12:59am

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yeah i know [In reply to] Can't Post

i hope PJ isnt pulling another 'King Kong' by over blowing a story that doesnt need it. The only reason im so relaxed is that i love his vision of ME and always complain about the lack of time we can spend seeing it. so im hoping that all the extra in TH is something i'll actually enjoy. im pretty sure it will be.


Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Jun 24 2011, 1:16am

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King Kong didn't need to be that long... [In reply to] Can't Post

but I still loved it overall. I'd rather have a movie be too long than too short. Too many movies these days feel rushed and chopped up to keep people in the theaters.

I think there's definitely more to flesh out in the Hobbit than there was in King Kong, so I don't think the length should be too much of an issue. At least I hope not...


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Jun 24 2011, 1:31am

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I don't think it will either, but... [In reply to] Can't Post

...I'm curious to see how they plan on showing the whole film in IMAX theaters, since their reels only allow for something like 2 hours and 40 minutes. Unless it's expanded, PJ is going to have to cut down his theatrical versions as he did with LotR quite a bit. Even theatrical FotR wouldn't be able to finish in IMAX, let alone the EE.

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
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hutch
Rohan


Jun 24 2011, 1:35am

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indeed [In reply to] Can't Post

i agree. there is def. more to flesh out in TH which is why im not too worried about it all. but i remember scratching my head over the casting of KK. i was like 'how many characters are in the film?'


Ruijor
Rohan


Jun 24 2011, 2:10am

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Truly excited and not worried by now [In reply to] Can't Post

I was expecting a little bit more older look for Martin, he does seem a little boyish but I´ll reserve my final judgement when I see him on live footage. About Thorin... so much has been said by now and I agree he´s far from being a spot on Thorin Oakenshield.

I never was to keen for Armitage playing Thorin, he should have been Bard from my point of view but hey, now he´s Thorin so I still hope that choice can continue to grow on me despite of how awful he looks in this picture. There is a long way ahead to correct and perfect the prosthetics, costumes and overall design of the films so with that said I trust that Peter will deliver us a great adventure.

Oh and a word for our old Mithrandir: you haven´t aged a day old friend! Wink


Kangi Ska
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Jun 24 2011, 2:51am

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Is the time limit true with digital projection? [In reply to] Can't Post

I assume there will be very few prints of the two Hobbit Movies.

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Kangi Ska
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Jun 24 2011, 2:52am

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You have an old man in your head. [In reply to] Can't Post

Strange, so do I. Evil

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dernwyn
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Jun 24 2011, 3:00am

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*compares to Hildebrandt Bilbo* [In reply to] Can't Post

Seeing Martin as Bilbo immediately brought the Hildebrandt's painting of Gandalf visiting Bag End to mind:

http://img-fan.theonering.net/...ndt/gandalfvisit.jpg

The ears are pointed in a different direction, but the resemblance is there!


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Maiarmike
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Jun 24 2011, 3:15am

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"...despite of how awesome he looks in this picture". [In reply to] Can't Post

Fixed it for ya. Tongue

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mykonos
Bree


Jun 24 2011, 3:35am

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hahaha that's how I read it ;) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


The Grey Wanderer
Lorien


Jun 24 2011, 4:17am

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Actually, no - at least in the general descriptions at the begining of either book [In reply to] Can't Post


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natural leathey soles and thick warm brown hair like the stuff on their heads (which is curly)


from the Hobbit; the Felowship prologue is very similar in discussion, though it says "commonly brown" with respect to hair; nothing about foot size in either description. Though Mr. Proudfoot's were described as large...

Perhaps elsewhere there is a passing comment that their feet are large, but I doubt it. Even when Aragorn is tracking Merry and Pippin, their prints are just described as hobbit-prints, one smaller than the other.

Beyond that, I suspect Tolkien just left it to our imaginations. If anyone wants to assume large feet, that is fine. Me? I never thought about it...not very imaginative, I guess...


taekotemple
Grey Havens


Jun 24 2011, 5:23am

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No! Let him out, let him out! [In reply to] Can't Post

We don't keep old men imprisoned in our heads! That would be classifiable as elder abuse, and I'd have to report you to APS (Adult Protective Services).

Aww. Poor guy! Wink


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Jun 24 2011, 7:15am

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All of the pictures were extremely exciting. Curious about the Wizard hat, though. [In reply to] Can't Post

Really excited by everything I saw. Bilbo reading the contract. . . PRICELESS!

Very glad to see that Gandalf's beard looks at least as long/full as it was in Fellowship. That sais, I did think the hat looked a little too grey. I hope they stick to the blue hat as seen in Fellowship, and that they do not try to match the hat colour to some of the toy/scuplture merchandise. The book says " a tall, pointed BLUE hat." And the Fellowship film followed that very well, so I hope there is no detour here.

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FarFromHome
Valinor


Jun 24 2011, 7:20am

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I don't think trusting [In reply to] Can't Post

is the same as believing that someone can do no wrong. Perhaps all people are saying is that (like many other pleasures in this world) you can't fully enjoy a story if you don't relax and allow yourself to trust the storyteller. Of course it's your choice whether or not to let go of your reservations and allow yourself to be drawn into the story, but if you choose not to - if you prefer to remind yourself of what you wanted this story to be like, rather than becoming a willing believer in the story that's being told - then you will most likely be disappointed in the result.

So perhaps people were just saying: if you'd like to enjoy this more, trust more. Or not. It's your choice in the end.

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FarFromHome
Valinor


Jun 24 2011, 7:31am

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The Daily Mail [In reply to] Can't Post

is a kind of British National Enquirer.

Facts are not their strong suit.

Tongue

I'm sure you're right that the length of filming is directly proportional to the amount of money that's being invested and consequently the kind of profits that are now being demanded. LotR was filmed on a shoestring considering its ambitions, and there's no way that can be done now, when everyone is on the bandwagon. It's a shame that The Hobbit is being lumbered with the expectations that LotR's success has generated. But on the other hand, without LotR The Hobbit probably wouldn't have been made at all.

They went in, and Sam shut the door.
But even as he did so, he heard suddenly,
deep and unstilled,
the sigh and murmur of the Sea upon the shores of Middle-earth.
From the unpublished Epilogue to the Lord of the Rings



Patty
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Jun 24 2011, 7:34am

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Maybe it's just a dress rehearsal , not a shoot, and [In reply to] Can't Post

Richard just isn't wearing all of his make up etc.Angelic

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Mooseboy018
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Jun 24 2011, 7:43am

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It's probably still just as blue. [In reply to] Can't Post

That entire photo looked grey-ish, and the hat looked blue in the production video.


Eärwen Swan Maiden Of Alqualondë
Bree


Jun 24 2011, 7:48am

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Good lord! [In reply to] Can't Post

Either way, let us just be thankful it didn't happen!Frown



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maut
Rivendell


Jun 24 2011, 8:30am

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That seems to me [In reply to] Can't Post

very likeable. Because we should see Gandalf in that scene close to Thorin.So I think this maybe is not an exact shot.
Maybe. Maybe not.
Actually I thought there will be more prosthetics, and that they will do Bilbo look more like Holm. Maybe a bit aged I I mean. But he still looks great. Maybe even greater. I like his ears and feet.
Thorin is ok, but he looks not very dwarfish. Like a man with beard. Not like Dwarf. But maybe it will all be tweaked up during the film-making process. May be some computer tricks, I don't know.
But still they look ok for me, I can live with them.
And besides, I need some action to judge

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stormcrow20
Gondor


Jun 24 2011, 8:59am

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Is that a new staff next to Gandalf? [In reply to] Can't Post

After going back and admiring these fantastic photos countless times throughout the day, I noticed something in the one featuring Gandalf. To his left, just above his hat...is that a new staff? I finally convinced myself it was just part of the tree, but the more I look at it, the more it looks like the top of a staff. And as far as I can tell, it resembles neither of the staffs he had in Fellowship.



Here is a close-up, along with a comparison of his first staff that Saruman took in FotR:





I haven't liked all of the decisions made regarding Gandalf's staff in the trilogy, and I once thought that his staff should be the same as the first in FotR. But now I'm actually liking the idea of a new and different staff for The Hobbit, and this one looks fine, if that is indeed what it is.

Anyway, I love that image of Gandalf. It brings to mind the scenes of Frodo reclining in or against a tree, and it's even evocative of Der Berggeist, the painting that inspired Tolkien's Gandalf. It also fits into a theme that some of us once noticed quite a while ago, where Gandalf sits and thinks fairly often throughout the movies. I can't find that discussion with the search feature...wow, was it back on the old boards?

Now I'm even wondering if that fringe-looking material at Gandalf's knees is his silver scarf that Ian McKellen confirmed on his blog. I was tremendously excited over that little detail, as I've been hoping for it all along (yet I never noticed it hanging on his cart in FotR!).

I'm thrilled to see the dwarves and Bilbo, too! This is so exciting! I can't believe we are already seeing photos, as well as a video. Next thing we know, we'll all be sitting in a theater hearing "In a hole in the ground..."



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namarie
Rohan


Jun 24 2011, 9:00am

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I say it's good to have an old man in your head [In reply to] Can't Post

makes you wiser Tongue

plus I think is all good and warm inside so no Adult Protective Services needed Laugh



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namarie
Rohan


Jun 24 2011, 9:08am

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I think you are right [In reply to] Can't Post

and that could be the head of his staff because it doesn't look like it belongs to the tree.

And if it's his staff it's a new one. :)

and yes it looks like there is something under his left knee but i don't know if it's a scarf or not :)


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Merowen
The Shire

Jun 24 2011, 9:19am

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Yes! [In reply to] Can't Post

I thought exactly the same thing!

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Merowen
The Shire

Jun 24 2011, 9:21am

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I can [In reply to] Can't Post

Although the picture is so blurry, I guess on purpose so that we can't see much.

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Bound
Rohan


Jun 24 2011, 9:22am

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Promotional Shots... [In reply to] Can't Post

The photos are just photos... they are Promotional Shots, to give people an idea of how things will look like.

They aren't scenes from the actual film...

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Merowen
The Shire

Jun 24 2011, 9:46am

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Axe [In reply to] Can't Post

Doesn't it look like Thorin has his axe next to him in the chair (green arrow)? It was one of the first things I noticed when I first saw the photo but now I'm not sure. Why would he have his axe there. And what is that weird piece of furniture (blue arrow), part of the chair?



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DrDeath153
Lorien

Jun 24 2011, 10:01am

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Yeah i'm with you [In reply to] Can't Post

Just like Thranduil says it'll be a long time before he goes to war over gold (despite arriving at the lonely mountain with an army), it's not like i'm going to shed blood over Thorin's appearance in the film. I mourn the imperfect Thorin as a lost opportunity but that doesn't mean the film itself is going to be crap and for all his sins PJ has never murdered Tolkien in cold blood (in fact based on what we know of the shape of the film so far he's actually making less changes than i would in his shoes. Even in a car-crash of an adaptation there are still things you can appreciate and take from it in terms of your mental incarnation of Middle-earth (who would have thought that Bakshi's animated version would be the first to make use of the definitive Gollum actor, or the animated Return of the King to have a fine line in apocalyptic colouring for the pivotal Battle of Pelennor Fields?) Visually certainly i have every reason to trust Peter Jackson, considerably more than i would Guillermo del Toro. I shall just have to look elsewhere for my own definitive Thorin from all appearances (the irony that i don't have to look that far- only to the leader of another bunch of dwarves i admit does sting me) but it's not grounds for a boycott of the film entirely- the story of The Hobbit is ultimately a far bigger issue than how aged Thorin is looking and at least i can console myself that not being some old crotchety bugger he's unlikely to be simply defined as an antagonist like Agamemnon in Troy (one of my great fears with the suggestion of Brian Cox).

That said i'm not going to go into the cinema forgetting my whole impression of the character and sit there with a rictus grin plastered on my face. As a fan of the book my enjoyment (in a sense) comes second to it's successful and accurate translation onto the screen (because it is the original that i derive my enjoyment from). To use an exaggerated example, PJ decided to turn Smaug into some transformer-esque beast of iron, fully articulated with pistons and shivering ranks of metallic scales. I might, detaching myself from the book enjoy it on it's own merits, but knowing the original it would ultimately not represent the facts or themes of what Tolkien wrote about Smaug (though a similar idea is present in the 1917 'Fall of Gondolin' narrative) and so viewed objectively within it's context it would count against it. You mention the snowballing effect and that's kind of a concern but not in the sense of unconnected bad judgements (though i daresay there'll be a few of those), rather there are ramifications to every decision (think chaos theory only on a smaller level)- If Thorin is young then what does that mean? What could that one decision lead to? If he's young will he have the same relationship with Bilbo or with Balin, how will he act in regards to the situations? What new spin will his development through the course of the story take? When a cornerstone character like Thorin starts to lean or break away there is a risk that the whole story becomes skewed, something that wouldn't happen if the changes occurred to a less load-bearing role like Dwalin or Ori. There is obviously very little risk of that tiny change bringing the whole house down (then again mis-casting has been known to ruin certain films) but it may very well twist it out of shape to a greater or lesser degree.

Even if it did though, even if the whole thing came crashing down around our ears it'd still be worth the process of building it- there would still be building materials that would be salvageable and the lessons of construction that came with it's fall - better to have loved and lost and all that so don't get me wrong on that count- even if they'd cast Taylor Lautner as Thorin the film would still be worth a watch (and judging of the arguments in favour of young Thorin, why not Lautner?) but if it was my money i'd only build such a grand abode on the very best and most suitable materials.

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willowing
Lorien

Jun 24 2011, 10:27am

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Good shots of Bilbo and Gandalf [In reply to] Can't Post

.....and I do love the layout and interior design of the kitchen and the round room where some of the dwaves are sitting. Look at the round door with its beautiful solid panelling.

Looking forward to seeing the cloaks on the dwarves.


mulubinba
Rivendell

Jun 24 2011, 10:52am

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Great! [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks for posting! Speaking for this family - we all liked what we have seen so far.

Looking forward to the movies very much Smile


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Jun 24 2011, 11:09am

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There are those of us who think that an antlered helmet would help Thorin to stand out among the other Dwarves, as well as giving him a distinctive silhouette and a memorable and regal look. I don't see how it's any more ridiculous than a helmet with the horns of a bull, or any other creature. In fact, I still hold a tiny grain of hope that PJ has not discarded this particular design feature. Here are some examples of what it might look like:





Obviously any helmet worn by Thorin would be of much higher quality than these ones, but you get the general idea.


DrDeath153
Lorien

Jun 24 2011, 11:16am

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Bear in mind that Balin was one of the first dwarves to arrive [In reply to] Can't Post

Whereas Thorin arrived at the bottom of a pile of dwarves right at the end. If Thorin had been introduced before Balin and on his own without mention of his age or hair colour i would agree he was not noticeably old looking or notably greying, but as the situation unfolded i think the narrative propulsion was the most important element in that particular moment and so all extraneous detail was removed. I don't think any of the dwarves in that bundle were described as wearing clothes other than their hoods while others did at least get a mention so are they exceptions to the naked dwarf rule? Combined with the solid fact he was the oldest of the dwarves, older than Balin i think it is safe to assume he was grey.

In terms of premature greying, yes, young people can be grey or even white haired, on the other hand, i don't think anyone makes it into the winter of their years without getting a bit of snow on the roof. Modern hair-dye allows you to look younger for longer (explaining Mr McShanes glossy black locks) but sooner or later men start to get the whiff of the silver fox about them (and women don't escape the ravages either).

It's not just the hair-colour though- if Richard Armitage had a greying beard that wouldn't solve the problem of his look- it's the smoothness and definition of his features in that picture that equally give the game away (if not more). One of the great things about Ian McShane's face (and something that would likely be transferred into his prosthetics if he was cast) is the ravages of age that have started to tell. He's lived a life, he's had a few hard nights, the way his eyes bag and his jowls hang around his mouth tells you he's not a young pup any more, it gives the face character, it tells of a hard life. Of course there are some who live into their old age and yet remain eternally youthful- Cliff Richard could never bluff it convincingly that he's had a drinking problem and a string of illegitimate children whereas the puckered visages of Mick Jagger and Keith Richards give the game away immediately. My dad got Keith Richards' autobiography for christmas and i was looking through it and you see that he didn't start out an ugly man- he wasn't born with those lines, but the way age and his lifestyle have affected his very facial features is remarkable. Thorin has lived a tough life, and from what we've seen in this picture there is no evidence of that: the skin is still smooth, the cheekbones are still high and unmarred by drooping bags from the eyes, the nose is as defined and uncoloured as the teetotaller actor (nothing against teetotallers, i'm something of one myself) and there isn't a single furrow in his forehead or cheeks. Either cosmetic surgery is anachronistically advanced in Middle-earth or he's lived a very comfortable and stress-free life. Frankly i don't see either of those being likely.

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DrDeath153
Lorien

Jun 24 2011, 11:18am

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Yeah [In reply to] Can't Post

Horns or antlers on the helmet are not an inherently bad idea. The tongue-in-cheek inspiration might have been a bit offputting but a horned helmet is considerably less ridiculous than a winged helmet or any other kind. If it works it works,

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Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Jun 24 2011, 11:33am

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Huh...I can't really see much of Thorin in the photo, but I can make out his strong features. [In reply to] Can't Post

Anyways, I find it to be like arguing over an album cover of sorts, it's the music that actually matters, rather than the wrapper. Smile

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sphdle1
Gondor


Jun 24 2011, 11:36am

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I think the answer to the films' length is [In reply to] Can't Post

that the Hobbit book part of the screen play is only half of the movies. I think the book has been split between the two movies, but is only half of what is in each film. The other half is extra material that PJ and writers have come up with based on Appendices..possibly from both the Hobbit and LOTR books, plus there may be some new fresh story line of the writers making in there.

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Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Jun 24 2011, 11:36am

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Good to hear from you Ainur... [In reply to] Can't Post

I too noticed that about his hat, but I think it might just be the color tinting of the promotional photos, these things always look so strangely doctored in some way. What are your thoughts about the whole 'Thorin should be grey' thing?

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sphdle1
Gondor


Jun 24 2011, 11:39am

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good point [In reply to] Can't Post

I would assume most IMAX theaters can handle digital material at this point, which means no limits on how long it can run, within reason of course.Cool

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sphdle1
Gondor


Jun 24 2011, 11:41am

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The first photo looks photoshopped [In reply to] Can't Post

It looks like they captured bilbo and through in the background photo part...actually the background picture looks like a painting or something rendered by an artist, and not an actual photo...!??

sphdle1

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Estel78
Tol Eressea

Jun 24 2011, 12:18pm

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The picture is much too small and blurry to make out facial details. [In reply to] Can't Post

You are judging prematurely. Let's wait for a close-up of Thorin...


Bombadil
Half-elven


Jun 24 2011, 12:20pm

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It does looked Dropped in! [In reply to] Can't Post

The Foreground Photo is really Martin and it would have been easy to Drop another entirely different shot of the Dwarves taken on another day of what we see within the Round door way. The lighting seems a little wrong back there. So, I'm gunna just say it s a composite.


pulpfiction16
Rivendell

Jun 24 2011, 12:26pm

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Could be [In reply to] Can't Post

It could be photoshopped, similar to how that first photo of Jackson on set clearly wouldn't have had the landscape in the background. It likely is HDR, or if not that, simply just two photos stitched together (HDR might pose a problem with people, who couldn't be in the same spot in each frame). That would also explain why it looks artificially blurred, since, (and my eyes might be tricking me, and I might need glasses), the room Bilbo is in appears to be perfectly sharp, with no hint of going out of focus to quite that degree. So, to make it look a bit more natural, they blurred it as if it were out of focus.

Or I might be wrong, and it might just be a regular shot, with enough lighting in that other room, and it just looks so odd because the high levels of post-editing sharpness, definition, and smoothness added.

Lovely photo though, in fact all of the Hobbit publicity stills have been spectacularly taken. Kudos to the photographer (whomever it is, they really deserve some credit). I can't think of any other big movies that have released such well composed production photos, not even Lord of the Rings.


Delrond
Rohan


Jun 24 2011, 12:28pm

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I wonder [In reply to] Can't Post

if this picture is a still from the 48 FPS filming.

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jun 24 2011, 12:32pm

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What you see is what you get. [In reply to] Can't Post

I think Bilbo is fine. As to the Dwarfs...it is really hard to tell anything. I would swear the portion within the rounded arch, which contains the Dwarves images was manipulated. It looks more like a painting or intentionally blurred rather than out of focus.

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Delrond
Rohan


Jun 24 2011, 12:35pm

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Also, [In reply to] Can't Post

If this is a still from the filming, it is being shot in 3D. That may explain the relative blur of the dwarves in the background.

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dormouse
Half-elven

Jun 24 2011, 12:38pm

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I don't think it's a still.... [In reply to] Can't Post

... because Gandalf isn't there and, if the video was anything to go by, I'd have expected him to be sitting in that doorway. In any case, I doubt they're going to give that much away at this stage. I'm just staggered by the amount of information some people reckon they've deduced from it.

I'm just pleased to see the photo as a sign that things are really happening!


Delrond
Rohan


Jun 24 2011, 12:45pm

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Throwing out the possibility [In reply to] Can't Post

of it being a still only. I have no idea. In any case, I like what I see and and pleased that the photo was released at all. Thorin with or without gray hair, it's still Thorin. I'm more concerned that Thorin is true to his nature in the Hobbit than his appearance. And for some reason, I don't think we'll see Gandalf in black boots either.

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Bound
Rohan


Jun 24 2011, 12:46pm

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It's not a still from filming... [In reply to] Can't Post

but even if it was, the 3D issue wouldn't cause that kind of bluring. The 3D duplicates the image it doesn't blur different areas of the shot.

My educated guess is that this is a clear promotional shot. I think the background with the dwarfs is blurred on purpose to simple hint at the design they are going for but to keep the focus on Bilbo...

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pulpfiction16
Rivendell

Jun 24 2011, 12:51pm

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Nope [In reply to] Can't Post

3-D wouldn't make a difference. If this were taken from a 3D still, they would simply use one of the images from one of the lens, so, it would look like a normal image.

And 48 frames wouldn't be inherently obvious in a still image, particularly of a slow moving dialogue scene.

It's more than likely a publicity still using the same, or similar blocking to a moment in the scene.


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jun 24 2011, 12:53pm

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I mentioned the same thing on another thread. [In reply to] Can't Post

My wife (with a Masters Degree in Fine Arts: Painting & a job with a gallery support group) said first thing that the background was not real. I think that it was at least manipulated.

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Bound
Rohan


Jun 24 2011, 12:58pm

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I reckon... [In reply to] Can't Post

The background has been intentionally blurred as to give us an hint of the dwarf design but not to show it in great detail.

The focus of the photo is Bilbo ....

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Legolass
The Shire


Jun 24 2011, 1:30pm

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Since Bilbo's feet are bigger here than in the LOTR movies ... [In reply to] Can't Post

....it means that hobbit feet grow smaller as they grow older! Smile

Great to see those pics - Gandalf looks just the same!

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jun 24 2011, 2:14pm

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Gandalf's feet are bigger in the Hobbit too.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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OneFantorulethemall
The Shire


Jun 24 2011, 2:22pm

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Entertainment Weekly has 3 new photos from 'The Hobbit' [In reply to] Can't Post

I screamed (loudly) when I saw the photos. I cried. I smiled for the rest of the day and I'm still smiling. the one of Bilbo and the dwarves in Bag End is going to be my laptop wallpaper until the rapture.
oh gosh. I can't wait for more photos.
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RosieLass
Valinor


Jun 24 2011, 2:32pm

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Well... [In reply to] Can't Post

Some of them were saying "Peter can do no wrong."

They were the same people who took offense at any comment that even hinted at criticism of any decision PJ made.

They're as tedious as the "Peter can do nothing right," folks who were blowing the films off as a bad job months before they were released. (And yes, I've run into some of those, too.)

Since I'm not as emotionally invested in the Hobbit as I am in LOTR, I don't expect to be as critical of these films. I expect I will enjoy them very much.

I also enjoyed the LOTR movies. I just can't bring myself to wax as enthusiastic about them as some people do. And that's okay.



It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Jun 24 2011, 2:32pm

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Gandalf in black boots [In reply to] Can't Post

has been confirmed on Ian Mckellen's blog, here... http://www.mckellen.com/cinema/hobbit-movie/110331.htm

"I now have a substantial, magic-looking silvery scarf to wear and act with and perhaps find some part of its own to play. I've already twisted it into a stylish turban. And, as per JRR Tolkien, below the familiar gown, a new pair of black boots may be spied"


Delrond
Rohan


Jun 24 2011, 3:06pm

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Thanks for the link, [In reply to] Can't Post

I'll keep an eye out for those boots!

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Marten
Registered User

Jun 24 2011, 3:49pm

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What's all the negative fuzz about? [In reply to] Can't Post

I just do not understand why everyone is so negative about the dwarves, and especially Thorin. You sure do have good eyes if you can make anything out of this blurry picture!

Bilbo looks great to me. Absolutely - exactly- the way I imagined him. Off course, it's impossible for PJ to live up to everyones expectations and imaginations. When you read the books, there is a lot that can be filled in by your own vision of things. Just that is one of the great things about the writings of Tolkien.

Thorin is not described physically in any of the books by Tolkien. Just his garment (hood and weapons). From what I can make from this picture, he sure looks majestic, stern and angry to me. Just like I pictured him. Armitage is a great actor, very well cast. Can't understand why people think he is too young or looks like Drogo (what!?!). This is just PJ's vision of him, and - yes - that may differ from yours. That is the problem that comes with turning book to film in a nutshell.

I was thrilled to see these first images. It brought me right back to this wonderful world, and brought back a lot of fond memories.

Let's all save our judgements and reservations till these movies finally arrive in the theaters. I'm sure Richard Armitage/Thorin and Martin Freeman/Bilbo will blow us all away..!


Delrond
Rohan


Jun 24 2011, 3:52pm

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Are those coffee cups to the left (orange w/ handles)? [In reply to] Can't Post

They are not even similar to what Bilbo served Gandalf tea (no handle and gray) in FOTR. Are they off camera perhaps?

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JWPlatt
Grey Havens

Jun 24 2011, 4:07pm

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60 Years [In reply to] Can't Post


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They are not even similar to what Bilbo served Gandalf tea (no handle and gray) in FOTR. Are they off camera perhaps?


Bilbo served Gandalf the tea 60 (?) years later, not tomorrow or the next year.


Rufus
Bree

Jun 24 2011, 4:11pm

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But [In reply to] Can't Post

The no furrows on his brow can't be right Armitage is famous for his crinkles. Wink

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Whereas Thorin arrived at the bottom of a pile of dwarves right at the end. If Thorin had been introduced before Balin and on his own without mention of his age or hair colour i would agree he was not noticeably old looking or notably greying, but as the situation unfolded i think the narrative propulsion was the most important element in that particular moment and so all extraneous detail was removed. I don't think any of the dwarves in that bundle were described as wearing clothes other than their hoods while others did at least get a mention so are they exceptions to the naked dwarf rule? Combined with the solid fact he was the oldest of the dwarves, older than Balin i think it is safe to assume he was grey.

In terms of premature greying, yes, young people can be grey or even white haired, on the other hand, i don't think anyone makes it into the winter of their years without getting a bit of snow on the roof. Modern hair-dye allows you to look younger for longer (explaining Mr McShanes glossy black locks) but sooner or later men start to get the whiff of the silver fox about them (and women don't escape the ravages either).

It's not just the hair-colour though- if Richard Armitage had a greying beard that wouldn't solve the problem of his look- it's the smoothness and definition of his features in that picture that equally give the game away (if not more). One of the great things about Ian McShane's face (and something that would likely be transferred into his prosthetics if he was cast) is the ravages of age that have started to tell. He's lived a life, he's had a few hard nights, the way his eyes bag and his jowls hang around his mouth tells you he's not a young pup any more, it gives the face character, it tells of a hard life. Of course there are some who live into their old age and yet remain eternally youthful- Cliff Richard could never bluff it convincingly that he's had a drinking problem and a string of illegitimate children whereas the puckered visages of Mick Jagger and Keith Richards give the game away immediately. My dad got Keith Richards' autobiography for christmas and i was looking through it and you see that he didn't start out an ugly man- he wasn't born with those lines, but the way age and his lifestyle have affected his very facial features is remarkable. Thorin has lived a tough life, and from what we've seen in this picture there is no evidence of that: the skin is still smooth, the cheekbones are still high and unmarred by drooping bags from the eyes, the nose is as defined and uncoloured as the teetotaller actor (nothing against teetotallers, i'm something of one myself) and there isn't a single furrow in his forehead or cheeks. Either cosmetic surgery is anachronistically advanced in Middle-earth or he's lived a very comfortable and stress-free life. Frankly i don't see either of those being likely.

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namarie
Rohan


Jun 24 2011, 4:11pm

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more like wine cups :-D // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


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The Revolutionist
Registered User


Jun 24 2011, 4:18pm

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Very excited [In reply to] Can't Post

Really excited to see the pictures, though in a way the ongoing drip of information just serves to tantalize and drag out the wait! Not that I'm genuinely complaining, I'm glad to see these photos - I just wish it wasn't so long until we get to see the films!


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jun 24 2011, 4:25pm

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*warm hug* [In reply to] Can't Post

Remember... we have a date to see these together!!

You always make me smile... :)

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I really need these new films to take me back to, and not re-introduce me to, that magical world.



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entmaiden
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Jun 24 2011, 4:46pm

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Hi Marten, welcome to TORN! [In reply to] Can't Post

Your comment was posted in response to this message, and it might appear that you were responding directly to Delrond.

You are probably viewing in Flat Mode, which makes it difficult to keep track of the conversation. You might want to try Threaded Mode, because it is visually easier to place your response.

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Bombadil
Half-elven


Jun 24 2011, 5:48pm

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I'm all with THAT! [In reply to] Can't Post

Think about it...13 principle Dwaves, 13 different physical features is the only way we could disquences.. them apart,,, each needs to be unquie!

I love the idea of some Bald, some very Hairy,
some with jewerly tied into their sorta Dwavf ..........."DRED-LOCKS"?

Because Tolkien introduced us to each, in many ways, in the First Chapter...
by the time Bilbo has to join them the next morning...
we have a Good CharACTOR... recogntion for each.

Then when things get really Dark, Trollshaus, Later Goblin-Kings Headquarters, Mirkwood...etc...
any close-up of each,
even the youngest member of the audience will know which one is which?.

There is secondary scene later, that allows anyone Still Confused "as to who is who?" the Rivendale RestHome? in the Light of day. I trust the make-up department to shine like there is NO Tommorrow with the Look of each!
Yeah Team!
(The Art of Make-up will set a new Standard in 3D, soon.....so get your pencils out?""
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SirDennisC
Half-elven


Jun 24 2011, 7:05pm

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I'll say, he looks nothing like he did when he played Nelson Mandella. / [In reply to] Can't Post

 


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dave_lf
Gondor

Jun 24 2011, 7:09pm

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Does anyone have the actual article? [In reply to] Can't Post

Today is June 24; does anyone have the actual article yet? Anything interesting in it?


Coley
The Shire


Jun 24 2011, 8:13pm

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Enlarged picture of the dwarves [In reply to] Can't Post

Brightened up and sharpened a bit:



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stormcrow20
Gondor


Jun 24 2011, 9:12pm

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Reminds me of the helmet worn by Legolas... [In reply to] Can't Post

...in this painting by John Howe.

I'm not crazy about the idea of antlers on a dwarven helmet, but I agree that our trusted artists and designers could probably make it work. Antlers or not, I expect they will find a way to make Thorin stand out (His sky-blue hood is a start), especially at the Battle of Five Armies. Maybe he will find a nice, royal-looking dwarven helm in the dragon hoard!



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Theodred
Lorien


Jun 24 2011, 9:24pm

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I've found this video, [In reply to] Can't Post

in which you can see which techniques they used in FotR to glue and paintbrush the Hobbit feet:


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http://dehobbithyve.hyves.nl/


pacochoa
Bree

Jun 24 2011, 9:36pm

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Am I seeing things. . or Is Bofur sporting a combover? [In reply to] Can't Post

Wouldn't it be funny if Bofur has an inferiority complex about his balding noggin' and is always using some form of grease to get his combover back in place?
And then when ever the wind picks up, his hair flap goes bugger.

A la Donald Trump. . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufe4TjmyMUI


(This post was edited by pacochoa on Jun 24 2011, 9:38pm)


irisgirl
The Shire

Jun 24 2011, 10:05pm

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Not too rich yet? [In reply to] Can't Post

Wasn't Bilbo ok financially before The Hobbit, but really really well to do afterwards? Maybe that's why in this picture, they chose to play that up a bit with the scruffy look?


duats
Grey Havens

Jun 24 2011, 10:10pm

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It's not just that [In reply to] Can't Post

He suddenly found himself hosting thirteen loud, hungry, and thirsty dwarves. He spends the entire evening running around fetching them this and that - getting all hot and flustered.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least if he took off the waistcoat in an attempt to be more comfortable.


DrDeath153
Lorien

Jun 24 2011, 10:11pm

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He was 'well to do' [In reply to] Can't Post

He didn't have a job, other than being a bit of a country squire and 'lord of the manor'- i really like that element of Bilbo, that he's a bit of a 'ralph' character from the Fast Show (only without the sexual attraction to his game keeper).

I've chosen to take this particular shot (although it's not a screenshot, it's a publicity shot so is all rather manufactured) as representing Bilbo late in the evening, having been forced to take off his jacket and waistcoat because of the heat of rushing around in a small house crammed with thirteen dwarves- he's a bit frazzled, but i hope that a much smarter and fastidious Bilbo is the one they establish at the start of the story. It'll be no journey at all if he's already a grounded, worldly, self aware everyman.

Dr Death


duats
Grey Havens

Jun 24 2011, 10:47pm

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Darn [In reply to] Can't Post

If that is Kili on the right, then he won't be sporting his yellow/blonde hair and beard.


KAOS82
Rohan


Jun 24 2011, 10:53pm

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Am I the lonely one... [In reply to] Can't Post

...who thinks that Freeman/Bilbo is phisically very similar to Boyd/Pipin?!?!

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Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Jun 24 2011, 11:02pm

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Not really any negative stuff. [In reply to] Can't Post

This is TORn, where everything from these films will be scrutinized to the smallest detail until the film comes out. Everywhere else I've read on the web, the emotion seems to be much more joyous and anxious rather than intrigued or unsure.

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien

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--Walter Sobchak


eralkfang
Lorien


Jun 24 2011, 11:23pm

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He is very Tookish, isn't he? [In reply to] Can't Post

I really like that he does look a bit Tookish—after all, that's the part of him that wants adventure!


titanium_hobbit
Rohan


Jun 25 2011, 12:09am

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tookish [In reply to] Can't Post

Yes, the Took in him is coming out when he accepts to read the contract...

Hobbit firster, Book firster.


Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Jun 25 2011, 12:57am

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Hopefully at least one of them is blond. [In reply to] Can't Post

I liked the idea of Fili and Kili standing out from the rest in that way, but maybe they decided one of them (probably Kili) should have dark hair to help people tell them apart.


lurtz2010
Rohan

Jun 25 2011, 1:18am

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yeah that did sound kinda creepy didn't it [In reply to] Can't Post

Interpret it how you will... anyway it's better that Thorin is younger and stronger looking because he's pretty much going to be the dwarf version of Aragorn in these movies and we already have an main character who's an old man. I think that if Thorin was silver and old then it wouldn't be as appealing to most audiences... I mean that in the nicest way possible.


taekotemple
Grey Havens


Jun 25 2011, 1:47am

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It's not unheard of for some people to never go gray. [In reply to] Can't Post

It tends to be a lot more common in natural blondes though.

Ultimately, it is clear that they are playing Thorin younger. But how much longer can't really be determined by that one picture, especially since his figure is in the background. Hopefully, we'll get more pictures soon of the dwarves so we can know a little more.


Elladan
Rivendell

Jun 25 2011, 1:57am

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We have to consider scale [In reply to] Can't Post

The picture with Bilbos feet in it also has PJ in it, so when scaled down to hobbit size next to Gandalf they will only be half the size we see them here, ofc they will still be the same scale on Bilbo but compared to the rest of middle earth will be smaller.

I think Thorin looks fine, dwarves have a very long middle age, followed by rapid ageing, none of the members of the dwarf band are physically elderly or they wouldnt have gone on the journey. Middle aged is right for the eldest of them, ofc some people become bald and white haired long before they become physically old. and ignoring that, they got a handsome actor to play a main character in a book with no major eye candy potential, it would be foolish to wrinkle him up, and not something that will be anything more than a very minor niggle, to a few people, to change.


taekotemple
Grey Havens


Jun 25 2011, 1:57am

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Although I do suppose it depends upon which old man is in your head [In reply to] Can't Post

Maybe I should stop here before we go too off topic.

Laugh


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jun 25 2011, 2:02am

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It is funny but I enjoy movies with young people in them. [In reply to] Can't Post

I am old. How does that work. Oh by the way I like good movies with all sorts of people in them, young, old, middle age, brown, pink and all the shades between, men, women, gay, straight. The simple thing is, if you make a great movie with great actors people will come to see it. I really think Thorin does not have to be played as a hunk. A while back a group of people were all upset because Bilbo was suppose to be middle aged. No one would go to see it. I say that is just fine. Let them go watch Twilight. And when they get over their agism they might learn what makes a movie truly great.

Sorry about the ramble. Mad

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taekotemple
Grey Havens


Jun 25 2011, 2:05am

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Maybe the cups get chipped by the dwarves? [In reply to] Can't Post

It would pay homage to the song in the book at least. Wink


taekotemple
Grey Havens


Jun 25 2011, 2:07am

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That was a good ramble, though. [In reply to] Can't Post

And I very much agree with you.


duats
Grey Havens

Jun 25 2011, 2:09am

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So.. [In reply to] Can't Post

Did anyone get a copy of the magazine?


lurtz2010
Rohan

Jun 25 2011, 2:52am

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I'm only referring to Thorin's character here [In reply to] Can't Post

I just meant that after seeing the pic I can understand why they would make him that way, not being agist at all.


Zherkezhi
Bree


Jun 25 2011, 9:22am

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Images in the print edition? [In reply to] Can't Post

Did anyone look into the print edition of Entertainment Weekly (which was released on June 24th), by any chance?
Perhaps there are images of better quality!

My own Hobbit Poster (comments are welcome!)


namarie
Rohan


Jun 25 2011, 10:47am

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hahahaha..// [In reply to] Can't Post

 


There is always hope


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jun 25 2011, 10:56am

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Fersher! [In reply to] Can't Post

I remember I went to shows just to see the trailer... and left when the movie started ;)

I've had a piggy bank going for over a year for my tickets!!! *twitch*

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namarie
Rohan


Jun 25 2011, 10:59am

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I think it doesn't really matter if he looks [In reply to] Can't Post

old or if he doesn't. For me it's fine. I will still enjoy the movie.


There is always hope


namarie
Rohan


Jun 25 2011, 11:09am

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I think is the first time I see a post from you, [In reply to] Can't Post

so welcome :)

Try not to make to many revolutions arround here though Tongue


There is always hope


eralkfang
Lorien


Jun 25 2011, 1:00pm

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They're not in there! [In reply to] Can't Post

I had a work meeting in Barnes & Noble yesterday and decided to pick up the copy of Entertainment Weekly afterwards. I'm glad I paged through it thoroughly, because they're not in there! The cover features Ryan Reynolds (promoting Green Lantern, obviously) and it is dated June 24th, but there's neither hide nor hair of these photos, even though there's a small feature looking at up and coming films and shows. What a tease!


Zherkezhi
Bree


Jun 25 2011, 1:47pm

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Shoot! [In reply to] Can't Post

That's disappointing...
Thanks for the info!

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Hanzkaz
Rohan

Jun 25 2011, 3:11pm

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Thorin's age [In reply to] Can't Post

I tend to think of Thorin as being similar to a human man in his forties. I may be wrong, but I seem to remember reading that he was slightly vain about his appearance , so he might not have been extremely old by Dwarf standards.

PJ probably went more for the 'warrior-in-his-prime' look, rather than the 'old veteran' appearance for Thorin.

Personally I'm OK with what I've seen so far. It's his character that I really want to see. (I think PJ was mostly spot-on with the cast in the LOTR Trilogy, so I'm hoping he manages to to the same in the prequel movies).

I'm a bit surprised at how long it will take them to shoot The Hobbit, but I'm thinking that the scenes for Nine Companions would have been a little easier to plan out and film than the ones for One Wizard, One Hobbit And Thirteen Dwarves.


Bullroarer
Bree


Jun 25 2011, 3:39pm

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WOOOHOOOOO!FINALLY... [In reply to] Can't Post

Woooooooohooooooo! my hope is restored, this looks so awsome1 Finally a pic of Martin as bilbo, hairy feet and all, Good to see Ian back in the grey robes and cloak and of course the dwarves, bushy eye brows and beards galore,Im so happy! it would be nice to have a close up though, because some of that background in the first pic looked like a map painting to me...

All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us- Gandalf to Frodo


kiwifan
Rohan

Jun 25 2011, 5:28pm

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I think it's the band of paler skin one gets when one habitually wears a watch outside and then takes it off [In reply to] Can't Post

I wouldd consider a watch too modern for that time, it's a comparatively new invention and doesn't fit in my vision of Middle-earth in the Third Age.

'Goodness gracious, you really are a messie!' 'Oh no, I'm not, these are all just mathoms...'


RoseCotton
Lorien


Jun 25 2011, 5:40pm

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You mean a matte painting? [In reply to] Can't Post

And, if so, which bit?

Surely the dwarves we can see are real actors -- even if the image has been somewhat 'photoshopped'?


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Jun 25 2011, 5:55pm

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I don't think Tolkien would be against big feet... [In reply to] Can't Post

The hobbits were supposed to be like rabbits, being small, quiet and living in holes. Bilbo was a Harfoot which translates as hare foot. while this is an intentional pun on them having hairy feet, there's no reason it couldn't also mean hare-like feet, so big feet aren't out of the question.

I personally pictured hobbit's ears to be of a likeness to rabbit ears. Not in position or size, but long and thin pointed shapes on the sides of their heads. Tolkien described elf ears to be leaf-shaped. I always liked the idea of an oak or ivy leaf shape for their ears Smile


kiwifan
Rohan

Jun 25 2011, 5:56pm

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I actually thought it was a painting behind Bilbo and was wondering what it did in Bag End [In reply to] Can't Post

until I realized from the early posts in this thread that these figures were actually the dwarves! I had to go back to the EW picture and look again --- and to me they still look painted!

'Goodness gracious, you really are a messie!' 'Oh no, I'm not, these are all just mathoms...'


kiwifan
Rohan

Jun 25 2011, 6:49pm

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do you have hair on the brain just now ... [In reply to] Can't Post

...Tongue (I do wonder sometimes if spelling mistakes are like Freudian slips)

but I do agree with you, I've read TH several times and I always got the impression that he is definitely not young any more or even middle-aged (apart from his actual years) --- very set in his ways, not flexible in thinking, very autocratic, those are characteristics I associate with people long past their prime.

'Goodness gracious, you really are a messie!' 'Oh no, I'm not, these are all just mathoms...'


kiwifan
Rohan

Jun 25 2011, 6:58pm

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'themself'? [In reply to] Can't Post

You at least should know whether you're male or female (unless you want to keep us in the dark) Wink

'Goodness gracious, you really are a messie!' 'Oh no, I'm not, these are all just mathoms...'


Patty
Immortal


Jun 25 2011, 7:04pm

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I sure am glad I came here and saw your post, eralkfang... [In reply to] Can't Post

I was going to make a trip to the local drugstore to pick this up today. Gasoline is down, but I would have been miffed to make the trip for nothing. Thanks!

Permanent address: Into the West





Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jun 25 2011, 7:43pm

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The Source of Bigfoot [In reply to] Can't Post

Ralph Bakshi's Bilbo:




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librarygirl
Registered User

Jun 25 2011, 7:51pm

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Yes, they are [In reply to] Can't Post

They're in the newest issue with True Blood on the cover. I've seen the article and as long as my issue arrives in the mail today, I'll scan it tonight to put on a Richard Armitage site and I can post it here (unless someone beats me to it).


duats
Grey Havens

Jun 25 2011, 8:10pm

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That would be greatly appreciated [In reply to] Can't Post

Thank you.


DrDeath153
Lorien

Jun 25 2011, 8:21pm

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Feh [In reply to] Can't Post

Well it's true i do have a formidable mane myself, but i haven't yet developed mane on the brain. Nah, simple ignorance i'm afraid- apparently i haven't seen the phrase written down enough times for it to click it referred to the lagomorph and not what grows on it. Wink

Dr Death


eralkfang
Lorien


Jun 25 2011, 9:40pm

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Ah, fantastic! [In reply to] Can't Post

Yeah, the one actually dated for the 24th doesn't have it. I'll keep an eye out for the True Blood one.


librarygirl
Registered User

Jun 25 2011, 10:17pm

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Scan of article... [In reply to] Can't Post


Code

I hope it's okay to link:
http://richardarmitagecentral.co.uk/...ul12011_pg1.jpg.html
It's 4 pages, be sure to click on the next arrow near the bottom of the page...


(This post was edited by librarygirl on Jun 25 2011, 10:20pm)


taekotemple
Grey Havens


Jun 25 2011, 10:22pm

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For some reason that link didn't work for me [In reply to] Can't Post

However, I navigated the site and found them. Maybe this link will work to get to the gallery where they're posted, if anyone else has had problems with that link? I'll post the direct link and the unclickable url.

http://richardarmitagecentral.co.uk/...+Library/The+Hobbit/

http://richardarmitagecentral.co.uk/v/Library/Articles+and+Scans+Library/The+Hobbit/


librarygirl
Registered User

Jun 25 2011, 10:26pm

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Oops, thanks [In reply to] Can't Post

I think I fixed my link now?


taekotemple
Grey Havens


Jun 25 2011, 10:41pm

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That one worked perfectly! [In reply to] Can't Post

Nice looking site, btw!


Bombadil
Half-elven


Jun 26 2011, 2:43am

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I got in the Site, the second Time TOO! [In reply to] Can't Post

I Zoomed in to read to sidebar copyand the article....Way cool to know PJ kept BagEnd! and turned into a GuestHouse on a farm he & Fran own! "So someone could sleep in BagEnd...Wowie!!!I I'd so love BagEnd I'd pay much to sleep over there!

Also, PJ's line about how "he would be talking Sir Ian and turn away and look back and SEE Gandalf! How wonderful is that?"
Thanks so much for the Link
Great fun....Library...


titanium_hobbit
Rohan


Jun 26 2011, 4:05am

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hi and welcome! [In reply to] Can't Post

Welcome!

I'd just like to warn you that some around here aren't keen on the term "prequel movies" - as The Hobbit was written first. :) Call them "the hobbit movies" or something instead. :)

Hobbit firster, Book firster.


titanium_hobbit
Rohan


Jun 26 2011, 4:08am

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tolkein on rabbit hobbits [In reply to] Can't Post

Lifted from Wikipedia, but it's an actual Tolkein quote:

I picture a fairly human figure, not a kind of 'fairy' rabbit as some of my British reviewers seem to fancy: fattish in the stomach, shortish in the leg. A round, jovial face; ears only slightly pointed and 'elvish'; hair short and curling (brown). The feet from the ankles down, covered with brown hairy fur. Clothing: green velvet breeches; red or yellow waistcoat; brown or green jacket; gold (or brass) buttons; a dark green hood and cloak (belonging to a dwarf).


Hobbit firster, Book firster.


titanium_hobbit
Rohan


Jun 26 2011, 4:35am

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there's some more good reading here [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.minastirith.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=print_topic;f=3;t=000197

has some quotes from Tolkein's letters about hobbits and rabbits,

how "descendent of rats" and "rabbit" are insults by Thorin and the trolls, and how Beorn calls Bilbo "little bunny".

Hobbit firster, Book firster.


Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Jun 26 2011, 5:15am

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Makes me think of Gelflings! [In reply to] Can't Post

Tongue


Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Jun 26 2011, 5:19am

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He continued the trend. [In reply to] Can't Post

Jules Bass and Arthur Rankin Jr. beat him to it.




kiwifan
Rohan

Jun 26 2011, 11:08am

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i was just kidding you, Dr Death [In reply to] Can't Post

couldn't resist pulling your leg a little as your posts on the whole are so well written that this little slip was rather noticeable. Thanks for adding a new word to my vocabulary! Smile

Actually, you might make that two words --- what does 'feh' mean? I haven't been back in England for a visit for almost eight years now and am absolutely not up to date on colloquialisms, abbreviations, etc. --- if you would be so kind as to explain that to poor ignorant little me. Or is it TORn speak? Although after six weeks or so I feel I've been among you all forever, there's still a lot to learn...

'Goodness gracious, you really are a messie!' 'Oh no, I'm not, these are all just mathoms...'


DrDeath153
Lorien

Jun 26 2011, 11:23am

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Kind of mock jewish [In reply to] Can't Post

Expression of indifference. I'm not sure if it's proper jewish like Oy Vey (not being Jewish myself i'm not in a position to answer that with any accuracy), but i kind of like the slightly offensive sound to it- it does have a whiff of a disgruntled 'f*** it' that you don't get with 'meh' or 'heh'.

Dr Death


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Jun 26 2011, 3:34pm

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The Dark Crystal had a big effect on me as a kid. :) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jun 26 2011, 5:01pm

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R&B Hobbit & Bakshi's LotR [In reply to] Can't Post

The short squat bodies in R&B Hobbit de-emphasize the feet of the characters. The slimmer bodies of Bakshi's Hobbits really makes the feet pop out. I think this might have been influenced by the cartooning of The Beatles' Yellow Submarine in 1968. By the way I doubt that R&B Hobbit (1977) had any influence on Bakshi's Lord of the Rings (1978) as Bakshis film had been in extended production.

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namarie
Rohan


Jun 27 2011, 1:57pm

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Thank you so much for the scans :) [In reply to] Can't Post

The look on Martin's face reading that contract is precious. Every time I see it, it makes me laugh :)


There is always hope


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jun 27 2011, 2:50pm

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True... [In reply to] Can't Post

the length does seems curious, but I guess that depend on how much back-story, build-up, execution and follow-up they do to the White Council/Dol Guldur expansion. I get the feeling we'll see more of Lake-town and Thranduil'ls caves, too.

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grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jun 27 2011, 2:58pm

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Looking closer [In reply to] Can't Post

I think you're right about the staff... and I like that there's another one just for The Hobbit... but I hope it's also a pipe-holder ;) I can also tell that it's his bag/pouch laying against his legs where he's nestled into a tree root. You can see the seam along the edge of the material.


GREAT pics, stormcrow20! Thanks for putting this together! :D

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grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jun 27 2011, 4:54pm

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Now that we have some official pics [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm going to really start working on The Hobbit Geeky Observation List based on these pics!

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trol
Registered User

Jun 27 2011, 8:25pm

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analyses of the dwarves [In reply to] Can't Post

The first dwarve I recognised apart from Thorin was ''nr7'': this is clearly the head shape of Graham McTvish, Dwalin,.......am I the only one?


Nazger
The Shire


Jun 28 2011, 1:54am

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Hmm [In reply to] Can't Post

No major complaints about Bilbo, though he is nothing like how I pictured him (not fat enough).
What's up with the ears and feet? Look pretty absurd in these pictures. But we'll see how they look in the finished film.

 
 

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