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Ian McKellen has posted a new blog entry called "THE HOBBIT, 2 Elves and another Wizard"...

mona2505
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May 10 2011, 11:12am

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Ian McKellen has posted a new blog entry called "THE HOBBIT, 2 Elves and another Wizard"... Can't Post

For everybody interested, here's the link... http://www.mckellen.com/cinema/hobbit-movie/110510.htm


Steerpike
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May 10 2011, 11:24am

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JESUS CHRIST!!! That first line gave me a heart attack. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Nocalas
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May 10 2011, 11:43am

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Me too [In reply to] Can't Post

but the rest was a great read. Always very informed is Sir Ian. Wish he had a Christopher Lee update too though!


Maiarmike
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May 10 2011, 11:45am

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Ha! You aren't the only one! [In reply to] Can't Post

It's great to hear that Bret has an official role in the film, and that Sylvester is prepping his costume and makeup now. I still wonder when Sir Christopher will be involved in the action?

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Ruijor
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May 10 2011, 12:01pm

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You should be aware of Sir Ian´s sense of humour by now... [In reply to] Can't Post

Great update. We learn more from him than from anywhere else! Bless you man! Cool


Pipe Dream
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May 10 2011, 12:18pm

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Finally! [In reply to] Can't Post

Smile I was beginning to think Gandalf no longer wanted to speak to lesser beings. This makes me even more excited for PJ's 20 answers and/or his next video.

"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.


Kangi Ska
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May 10 2011, 12:25pm

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Seems to me that Ian might have been a tad busy just lately. [In reply to] Can't Post

Peter is probably a little busy also.

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Finrod
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May 10 2011, 12:33pm

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O Pilgrim Grey! [In reply to] Can't Post


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Great update. We learn more from him than from anywhere else! Bless you man! Cool


Dear Ian is keeping in character, for it was ever the mission of the Grey Wanderer to bring tidings of rekindled hope to dwellers of distant lands:
“befriending all in time of need. Warm and eager was his spririt... Merry he could be, and kindly to the young and simple, and yet quick at times to sharp speech and the rebuking of folly; but he was not proud, and sought neither power nor praise, and thus far and wide he was beloved among all those that were not themselves proud.”
As it is in verse recounted:

Wilt thou learn the lore        that was long secret
of the Five that came        from a far country?
Only one returned.        Others never again
under Men’s dominion        and the Doom cometh.
How has thou heard it:        the hidden counsel
of the Lord of the West        in the land of Aman?

or, in a more modern style:

From Wilderland to Western shore
from northern waste to southern hill,
through dragon-lair and hidden door
and darkling woods he walked at will.

With Dwarf and Hobbit, Elves and Men,
with mortal and immortal folk,
with bird on bough and beast in den,
in their own secret tongues he spoke.

I just love an actor who lives his part. :)

…all eyes looked upon the ring; for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarfin and his house.
The Silmarillion, pp 150-151
while Felagund laughs beneath the trees
in Valinor and comes no more
to this grey world of tears and war.
The Lays of Beleriand, p 311




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Silmaril
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May 10 2011, 1:14pm

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good that mckellen is still there for news! [In reply to] Can't Post

beside PJs page.


Captain Salt
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May 10 2011, 2:14pm

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LOL Steerpike! [In reply to] Can't Post

Yeah, that was naughty of Sir Ian, wasn't it? Tongue

So, Lindir will NOT be a "major" character according to Ian, seen only in Rivendell...I should probably inject that this juncture that I never tire of being wrong! Cool

Also, sounds as if Radagast will mostly serve as a "sidekick" of Gandalf's...or not.

I would rather be watching Peter Jackson's "The Hobbit" and Ridley Scott's "Prometheus"...it's going to be a long few years.


rings7
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May 10 2011, 2:21pm

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Could someone please [In reply to] Can't Post

explain me the "Frodo is great, who is that" thing? Is that a line from the movie that i really don't remember? Unsure


Captain Salt
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May 10 2011, 2:22pm

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It's from the Extended Edition... [In reply to] Can't Post

when Sauron makes a brief appearance at the Council of Elrond and takes an instant liking to Bret's character!


Actually, no, it's a not a line from the film at all. It's an internet phenomenon which started with a trio of fan girls on the interweb and got wildly out of hand. Angelic

I would rather be watching Peter Jackson's "The Hobbit" and Ridley Scott's "Prometheus"...it's going to be a long few years.


rings7
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May 10 2011, 2:25pm

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You almost got me [In reply to] Can't Post

with the first sentence, i was gonna run to my shelf and grab the EE to see that scene i thought missed.CrazySly


Symbelmine
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May 10 2011, 3:10pm

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Where did Ian say Lindir will be seen in Rivendell only? [In reply to] Can't Post



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chrismortega
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May 10 2011, 3:15pm

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FIGWIT [In reply to] Can't Post

The line "Frodo is great, who is that" is something that was popularized a little while after fellowship came out. I don't remember the details exactly, but it started out as a quote from a girl watching fellowship, during the council of elrond, who said "frodo is gre... WHO IS THAT!" She was apparently struck by the good looks of one of the elves present at the council, who turned out to be none other than one half of the incredible duo of Flight of the Conchords, Bret McKenzie. Since the elf didn't have a name yet they simply abbreviated Frodo is great who is that in to FIGWIT. I've heard that there's all sorts of fan fiction about him and stuff. Pretty funny.

Actually here's some great background on it: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/figwit

"NEVER TRUST AN ELF!"

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Earl
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May 10 2011, 3:16pm

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The "official" Figwit website is complete fun! [In reply to] Can't Post

It's called FigwitLives.net. Enjoy! Wink



Patty
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May 10 2011, 3:29pm

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Earl, you have shown me to a link... [In reply to] Can't Post

which informs me that there was actually a Figwit action figure available. To know that this exists and I can't buy it is intolerable.Frown

Seriously--I'm constantly amazed at the stuff that this fandom has put out and I wasn't even aware.

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dormouse
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May 10 2011, 4:04pm

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It doesn't, really.... [In reply to] Can't Post

... or at least, it does if you choose to take it that way. He says "Now he is briefly back in Rivendell as a senior official at Elrond's Court..." which might that he is only making a brief appearance and it's in Rivendell, or it might mean that his appearance in Rivendell will be brief - but that doesn't rule out his appearing somewhere else. Take your pick.... Wink


Symbelmine
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May 10 2011, 4:10pm

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Can briefly back...also mean [In reply to] Can't Post

he just joined recently so he's been in Rivendell for a short time? I'm not very good at English so I don't know exact meaning of some words.


rings7
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May 10 2011, 4:14pm

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Thank you so much! [In reply to] Can't Post

It's unbelieveable how big one comment became. Till the point of actors acknowledging it.


Bound
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May 10 2011, 4:18pm

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Great read... [In reply to] Can't Post

I love Mckellan's blog. There's something fresh and honest and in your face. He gives out facts in a kinda of black and white way. I figure he's allowed post about these things because they aren't exactly "news". Its more logistics... still nice to have an idea of what is currently happening.

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Patty
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May 10 2011, 4:57pm

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It's because we are such big fans that we [In reply to] Can't Post

over analyze every possible permutation of every possible word. It's what we DO!Cool

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dormouse
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May 10 2011, 6:06pm

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I don't think so... [In reply to] Can't Post

... or at least, that would be an unusual way of using the word. there are other ways he would put it, I think, if that was what he meant.


Elizabeth
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May 10 2011, 6:48pm

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I believe it actually started on TORn. [In reply to] Can't Post

It was a tad before my time here, but I came to know one of the "fangirls" who started this, who posted here under the nick Roheryn. She met Bret when he was en route to the Edinburgh Festival, mentioned on that site.






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May 10 2011, 7:15pm

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From memory, [In reply to] Can't Post

(ha! Me and memory...), that was inDUHvidual with backup from Arwenelf.

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Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

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Bound
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May 10 2011, 7:21pm

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I know this was posted the other day... [In reply to] Can't Post

This is off the main topic - but for those curious about FIGWIT check out this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adCbKyqPTR4

I'd never seen untill last sunday, someone kindly posted the links in a previous topic. It's a great documentary. I'm a massive Flight of the Conchords fan and i didn't realise for a long time that Bret was in Lord of the Rings. (I know, shame on me)...

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djm008
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May 10 2011, 7:51pm

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after our first hiatus [In reply to] Can't Post

My English is maybe not the best English so i didn't understould what Ian McKellen said about Martin Freeman( Bilbo). What does he mean whit that Martin Freeman returns after our first hiatus

What is Hiatus? A sort of vacation? And how long does this take?


Symbelmine
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May 10 2011, 7:53pm

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break, pause, time out... [In reply to] Can't Post



Bryan
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May 10 2011, 8:13pm

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Not likely seeing Saruman or Galadriel in Rivendell then. [In reply to] Can't Post

We'll probably meet them in Lothlorien or somewhere east of the mountains.


duats
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May 10 2011, 8:16pm

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Don't know if this was mentioned yet [In reply to] Can't Post


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"Before she returns as Galadriel, they will reprise their production at Washington DC's Kennedy Center in August."


So we won't be seeing Blanchett (Galadriel) in NZ until after August. That should give us a pretty good indication as to when they are going to film the White Council scene/s.


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Kangi Ska
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May 10 2011, 8:46pm

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This is a good thing [In reply to] Can't Post

as they would have no business being there.

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May 10 2011, 8:52pm

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they must have filmed quite alot of Bilbo already [In reply to] Can't Post

for him to be able to go do something else this early. every week day must be so intense for the actors


Elizabeth
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May 10 2011, 8:58pm

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New Zealand is a long way from home... [In reply to] Can't Post

...for many in the cast, particularly the principal actors. Filming over a long period is therefore scheduled to allow breaks for the actors to return home, and possibly even undertake other projects (such as Freeman's work on "Sherlock" and the theatrical gigs McKellan mentions). The length varies for each actor, as they aren't all needed all the time, and can be anywhere from a few weeks to a few months.






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Bound
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May 10 2011, 9:03pm

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Not even just that... [In reply to] Can't Post

This production seem interesting in how much room they've given their actors to commite to other projects. Peter and Co have cleary pulled strings and made the schedules work so that he could get the actors he wanted... It's pretty cool

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Eledhwen
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May 10 2011, 9:37pm

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Yes, that's right [In reply to] Can't Post

inDUHvidual coined the phrase. Ro also got to know both the Conchords quite well though through going to see them at the Edinburgh Festival along with inDUH and Arwenelf.

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May 10 2011, 9:38pm

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Me too [In reply to] Can't Post

Evil Sir Ian! Evil! Smile

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djm008
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May 10 2011, 9:56pm

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hiatus [In reply to] Can't Post

So a hiatus is a break...hmmm. I read all the replies on the break. Are there moments that there will be no filming at all? Or will tere always be some filming action.

How was this at the time of the lord of the rings?


Lunamoth
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May 10 2011, 10:02pm

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filming during Freeman's hiatus [In reply to] Can't Post

I have no doubts that other filming will occur while Martin Freeman is working on his other stuff. There's location coverage, there's crowds of extras... basically what I mean is, believe it or not, there's footage he won't be in. Wink

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KAOS82
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May 10 2011, 10:20pm

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a strange Gandalf [In reply to] Can't Post

as Merry well said to Pippin about the fact that The Wizard is very lack in words and explanations (well, hobbits on the other side like to talk too much Crazy ) and in the book Pippin try to take the most of him after Helm's Deep victory when he was riding to Minas Tirith on Shadowfax, so in TH Gandalf should talk just the necessary while the real Gandalf (Sir Ian McKellen) loves (4 us joy) to tell us as more as he can and in a ironic style, that's why I really like him Wink

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May 11 2011, 1:49am

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This makes me wonder when {hopefully} Christopher Lee [In reply to] Can't Post

and the White Council scenes will be shot. If Cate is not around until the end of summer, I wonder if they will still be able to shoot Christopher Lee's scenes. If he has to wait until late summer, I am worried. But, I have to trust PJ and company to schedule things as he can and plans to do. With Martin gone....what scenes are there without Bilbo? Dwarves in captivity, hanging in webs, running through Moria, in Erebor, on the walls etc.
In addition, some of the Dol Guldur scenes can be shot.
Whatever Radagasts role will be is tantalizing.


Bow&Helm
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May 11 2011, 2:19am

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That made me think... [In reply to] Can't Post

If PJ & company are being so lenient with actor scheduling I find it interesting that Ronan couldn't fit other commitments with TH filming. Still not sure what to make of whatever that whole situation was.


Elizabeth
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May 11 2011, 3:07am

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Her other projects... [In reply to] Can't Post

...might have been too demanding. She said TH would require most of a year; if her alternatives were also equivalently demanding, it wouldn't work. I don't think major actors can take off more than a few weeks at a time; actors in smaller roles have more flexibility.

This is what made that whole Ronan/Itaril thing so scary: the implication that Itaril is a pretty major role.






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May 11 2011, 3:07am

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I think there must be [In reply to] Can't Post

much more leeway for the stars of the movie than for the smaller parts. Gandalf and Bilbo are the most important characters, and worth scheduling around. Everyone else? Not so much. You can't schedule around everyone or the filming would never get done.

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Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
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PattyJB
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May 11 2011, 4:27am

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Cate and Hugo as well [In reply to] Can't Post

Both Cate Blanchett and Hugo Weaving will be at the Kennedy Center in Washington, DC, for almost all of August (4-27) this year in the Sydney Theatre Company's Uncle Vanya:

http://www.kennedy-center.org/...vent&event=TLTSJ


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May 11 2011, 6:33am

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Heehee... sorry... not ;) [In reply to] Can't Post

I still remember the first time I found that site. I too was absolutely amazed at the level of geekdom surrounding one unnamed Elf Cool



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May 11 2011, 7:00am

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The funny thing about Figwit for me... [In reply to] Can't Post

I have worked with kids for a long time, so I have to watch my language. It's very hard to find words that work when feeling in the mood for saying something really inappropriate. So I started saying Figwit! I can't stop now, and I use it more than most of my other made up substitutions for explatives.

Poor Figwit. At least the guy has a formal name now!


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May 11 2011, 7:07am

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Kangi Ska
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May 11 2011, 8:10am

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A thought [In reply to] Can't Post

The role of Itaril is still there. Only now I will be filled by an actress less suitable.

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May 11 2011, 8:13am

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Ah, Earl. How often have I told you... [In reply to] Can't Post

obsession is what we femine Tolkien fans DO.

That, and knit. Angelic

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May 11 2011, 8:39am

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May 11 2011, 8:57am

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Oh man, if you were forced to knit 5 baby afghans.. [In reply to] Can't Post

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May 11 2011, 9:13am

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Forced? [In reply to] Can't Post

You in knitting prison camp?

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May 11 2011, 9:14am

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Patty
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May 11 2011, 9:23am

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Each one of the GrandPattys gets a picture taken [In reply to] Can't Post

with a hand knit GranPatty afghan. One feels an obligation after the first one, you know, even if you don't really want to pick up the needles again. And even though one has app. 9 months to get it done in, I soooo wait till the last minute, and then it is a pressure. Crazy

I just hope I won't be knitting any more of THOSE.

But that Gollum afghan EPW posted a few days ago looked interesting.Sly

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Bound
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May 11 2011, 9:36am

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100% agree [In reply to] Can't Post

While we never got confirmation that this role even exists, if it does and they don't have Ronan, then its safe to assume that it could be cast with someone else.

I like Soairse, think she might be a bit young to be playing someones love interest but she'd have played a perfect elf.

Time will tell, who knows what Peter and co will do.

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RoseCotton
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May 11 2011, 9:40am

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Or, in the Hitch-hikers' Guide tradition... [In reply to] Can't Post

... you could use 'Belgium'! Smile

Although perhaps in these ultra-sensitive times, we perhaps ought to consider the feelings of Belgians before contemplating using that. Angelic


RoseCotton
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May 11 2011, 9:41am

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I know it was a typo, and I know it's childish... [In reply to] Can't Post

But:


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Only now I will be filled by an actress less suitable.


still made me chuckle... Evil


Kangi Ska
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May 11 2011, 9:49am

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I really do not buy the love interest angle as a focus of the roll. [In reply to] Can't Post

If my hunch is correct the function of Itaril (or what ever the character is named in the movies) will be as facilitator for the Dwarves escape from their imprisonment in the Woodland Realm. I also see the character playing a role in The Battle of Five Armies as a connecting point between the two movies and as a identifiable face in the crowd. If the character is to appear in both of these segments it will require an extended obligation to the filming. I would say that Ms Ronan's conflict would lie with the later sequences as they would be more likely to conflict with other work.

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May 11 2011, 9:51am

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Sticky key. [In reply to] Can't Post

Also 3 AM.

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May 11 2011, 9:53am

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May 11 2011, 11:01am

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I wasn't trying to suggest... [In reply to] Can't Post

That I buy into the love story element either, all the endless speculation comes from a tiny article in a casting call. And I've heard of many occasions where the casting call info is only used a gauge of the actor and not always a plot point or whatever...

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squire
Half-elven


May 11 2011, 11:51am

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...so now a "less suitable" actress will take the role? [In reply to] Can't Post

How do you know that the new actress, if there is to be one, will do a worse job with the role than Ms. Ronan?



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Flagg
Tol Eressea


May 11 2011, 3:03pm

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Because the character was most likely written with Ronan in mind? // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Flagg
Tol Eressea


May 11 2011, 3:09pm

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Interesting [In reply to] Can't Post

Does this mean that some (or most) of the White Council material will be placed in the second film? The two films will need to be shot in roughly chronological order so as to have enough time to complete the first one by its release date. I'm surprised that they won't be filming the White Council scenes during Martin Freeman's break, which was the general assumption around here... perhaps there will be more non-Bilbo material than we expected? Or perhaps Freeman will be needed for the White Council scenes. Evil


dormouse
Half-elven

May 11 2011, 3:20pm

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We don't know that... [In reply to] Can't Post

...and I think it's very unlikely. If they have written in a character named Itaril (something else we don't know) then the leaked casting call must have been genuine, at least in part, and that means that the character was created way back, when Guillermo was directing and writing. That makes it unlikely, to my mind, for two reasons...

Why would Guillermo particularly want Saoirse Ronan in the film?

If he did, and the part was written for her, why put out a casting call? Seems a waste of time calling for other actresses when you know you're not going to cast them.

Anyway, we don't know for sure she's not in the film, she only said 'probably'. And if she isn't, and the part she might have played, whatever it is, serves some worthwhile purpose in the story, there will be scores of other actresses who can play it. It might be a really lucky break for someone.


Eowyn of Penns Woods
Valinor


May 11 2011, 5:54pm

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When it's compared to SABLE syndrome, silly. [In reply to] Can't Post

Stash Acquisition Beyond Life Expectancy.
It's not the knittin', darlin', it's the yarn!

I don't have any yarn with globs of shredded money spun into it in my hoard, but I do have the sterling silver stuff. And gemstone beads for add-ons. Now back away, niiice and slow...

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


May 11 2011, 6:08pm

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There are few if any young actresses that I have more respect for than Ms Ronan. [In reply to] Can't Post

Plus her Hanna portrayal cinched her as an Elf in my book. There must be others but I see her as the next Cate Blanchett and have thought so since I first saw her in Atonement.

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Eowyn of Penns Woods
Valinor


May 11 2011, 6:16pm

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Can't be. [In reply to] Can't Post

We're saving that particular punishment for the knitting event scam people.

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Eowyn of Penns Woods
Valinor


May 11 2011, 6:36pm

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Don't mean to be rude, but aren't you a little too old to still be wearing wool soakers? [In reply to] Can't Post

;)
I won't make you Google it. I don't know what the term is in Swedish, but soakers are lanolinized wool pants worn over cloth baby diapers.

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Symbelmine
Rohan


May 11 2011, 7:02pm

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Bilbo doesn't need elfie sue to help him. He can save dwarfs on his own. [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't buy any arguments that the story can't work without her and romantic stuff.
That's most likely the main reason for adding her into this movie-romance and girl power(a girl with sword and bow chosen to be warrior and guard but fighting with her feelings for elf lord). Sounds like some story from fanfiction net. Not very original.
Btw did Tolkien mention somewhere that woodelf king's guards were supposed to never to fall in love and get married? I don't think so. Too odd idea IMO.

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Symbelmine
Rohan


May 11 2011, 7:06pm

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yes, she said "probably" before but [In reply to] Can't Post

in another interview when asked:"Will you be working with Peter Jackson again in The Hobbit?"
she replied: "Unfortunately I won’t be able to do it. It breaks my heart. I love Bilbo and New Zealand"


squire
Half-elven


May 12 2011, 12:29am

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That's fair [In reply to] Can't Post

I'll take your meaning to have been "an actress less suitable to me." No one could argue with that.

The initial phrasing of the comment reminded me of all too many fan-driven raves about how this actor or that one is the only one who could have played ... Frodo, Gollum, Aragorn, Lurtz, Bill the Pony, etc. etc.

I thought the casting of the LotR films was excellent, but I just can't concede, without access to alternate universes, that the casting was uniquely successful - i.e., that all other actors in any given role would necessarily have delivered a performance inferior to what we saw on our screens. I feel the same way about The Hobbit. I am excited to see what looks like good casting choices, but I doubt these actors are inherently the best for their roles out of the worldwide talent pool of film and stage performers.



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Elizabeth
Half-elven


May 12 2011, 12:46am

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This is likely not the only Freeman break. [In reply to] Can't Post

The show is greenlit for another season. They mentioned he was doing 2 episodes now, which can't possibly be enough.






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lurtz2010
Rohan

May 12 2011, 1:09am

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yeah there are alot of young females in the world [In reply to] Can't Post

Ronan is only one


Finrod
Rohan


May 12 2011, 1:16am

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UK Series vs. US Season [In reply to] Can't Post


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The show is greenlit for another season. They mentioned he was doing 2 episodes now, which can't possibly be enough.


Um, no. The first series was only three episodes, and I believe the second series will have only three as well.

What you need to understand is that a UK series is smaller, and usually much smaller, than an American season. Very few shows have even as many as sixteen episodes, and half that number is by no means all unusual.

…all eyes looked upon the ring; for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarfin and his house.
The Silmarillion, pp 150-151
while Felagund laughs beneath the trees
in Valinor and comes no more
to this grey world of tears and war.
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rings7
Rohan


May 12 2011, 1:36am

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In the blog [In reply to] Can't Post

McKellen says he'll be doing 3 90min movies, which i believe means 3 90min episodes, which is what the first season had. So my conclusion is that each season will consist of 3 episodes and that's it.


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


May 12 2011, 2:54am

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The world is a mighty big place. [In reply to] Can't Post

I cannot claim to know them all.

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AinurOlorin
Half-elven


May 12 2011, 4:14am

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Ian is just wonderful [In reply to] Can't Post

Always bringing gladsome tidings.

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macfalk
Valinor


May 12 2011, 7:47am

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Squire [In reply to] Can't Post

There are several sequels to well-established "franchises" out there that would only if the main star would sign on, like Bill Murray for Ghostbusters 3 (Deadline Hollywood specifically reported from the execs of the movie that it would only happen if Bill Murray would sign to reprise his role. Same goes for Johnny Depp as Jack Sparrow in the POTC-franchise. If he would not have signed, there would be no POTC 4.



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Nocalas
The Shire

May 12 2011, 9:18am

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Yup [In reply to] Can't Post

thats how they are shown over here! Sunday night specials.


kiwifan
Rohan

May 12 2011, 11:08am

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Ian McKellen's blog [In reply to] Can't Post

He is indeed wonderful, and I'm so glad he finally added another entry to his blog --- after almost six weeks or so since April Fool's Day. I was getting a little worried but now feel much relieved. And the picture of Gandalf the Grey wearing 3D glasses is just hilarious Laugh Thanks, PJ!

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Elizabeth
Half-elven


May 12 2011, 11:35pm

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The situation's different [In reply to] Can't Post

...in the case of franchises which already have an established and popular central character. In the case of TH:

1) it's a prequel, not a sequel; very few characters are in both.

2) The part in question (Itaril) is brand new.

And LotR was new, so none of its casting choices were "inevitable", although it would have been disconcerting to have different actors in the same parts for the trilogy.

Many franchises (Superman, Batman, Bond, others) have successfully transitioned through multiple lead actors, though unlike the LotR trilogy there were several years between components of the franchises.






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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


May 12 2011, 11:54pm

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I really really really really really really really really really really hate [In reply to] Can't Post

 the concept behind the word franchise when it is applied to Tolkien's work. It is as if My friend Mr Baggins were but a commodity to be served only for profit.

The Hobbit is not a prequel. The Lord of the Rings was a sequel served out of order.

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squire
Half-elven


May 13 2011, 3:45am

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Me too. But it *is* a franchise now, whether we like it or not. [In reply to] Can't Post

You cannot market a billion-dollar film project without franchising it. Anyone who says they "like" the LotR films, for whatever reason, is in no position to protest the franchise aspects. Someone has to pay for all that big-screen eye candy; and the investors only put their cash in the project because they believed they would get even more cash out of it in the end.

Of course, if you hate the films and have always hated the films, you at least have some ground to stand on when repulsed by the commercialization of our friend Mr. Baggins.



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Bombadil
Half-elven


May 13 2011, 10:42am

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I'm with Kangi ska and Not! [In reply to] Can't Post


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You cannot market a billion-dollar film project without franchising it. Anyone who says they "like" the LotR films, for whatever reason, is in no position to protest the franchise aspects. Someone has to pay for all that big-screen eye candy; and the investors only put their cash in the project because they believed they would get even more cash out of it in the end.

Of course, if you hate the films and have always hated the films, you at least have some ground to stand on when repulsed by the commercialization of our friend Mr. Baggins.

It was fur me a longtime a simi-sorta PassionPlay I really didn't share with many peoples, My, My HobbitHabit for MiddleEarth. So many aspects fo my reading got wrapped up into MINE over-all Pychy. And I went Merryily on my way through the last 40 years Holding a Candle in the Dark for JRRT's World. Never had much ANYadventures with tha "anys who hadn't read THE Books". Never really DID find another Ringer in the Darkness.

Only when I downladed on the First day, the First Trailor in EArly 1999, of PJ's Versi-own...did I realize I'm not truely Alone any more.

made alot of New Friends&ENT,er-mies... at my new Career in 2000, when my Life TOOK a twist into another Field of Wordk. Thizz occasionally shared Geek-Doom placed me,
Back there again in the StrangeGuy corner. The Last guy that got picked fur GymBasketball, whileI'm pouring over the Atlas of MiddleEarth and Cross-referenceing it with THE Simillioon-Lion...tryin' harder to Understand Valinor, rather than Straight-Into-West? Math.

Now, that the Truth can be revealed...I mybbee TOOK on a Burden no one should, could have to BEorn? xoxoOlBombadil.


sphdle1
Gondor


May 13 2011, 3:13pm

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Way to go Ian [In reply to] Can't Post

He always posts interesting things in his blogs and I like the way words them. Quite a sense of humor.

sphdle1

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Bombadil
Half-elven


May 16 2011, 12:58am

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I try to Imaginate what he is like! [In reply to] Can't Post

At some Point (ty HAT) this person known as Gandalf....will Pass away? This 4th Age of our World will Weep fur a Fine Wiz-a-radical Actor...It will a be soreDay, a Red Dawn, aNationalDay of Morning in NZ, England, everywherelse he has Broken our hearts, and then Inspired them to sail into the West!.... around this Small Ball known as MotherEarth!
a day upsetting US ALL!
Cherish him for as long as we have him GreyPilgriming, riding Shadowfax or, on THE wings of Eagles as looong as you can.
They say nothing lastsss forever,
Sir IAN will!
with much love and Respect for All you many "MiddleEarth-lings", Repectfully yourzHeart...xoxoBombadil


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