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MTV Movie Blog talks to Saoirse Ronan on 'The Hobbit'
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kareniel
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Apr 8 2011, 11:34pm

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I think she's charming. [In reply to] Can't Post

Talented, too. Have you seen her in any movies?


Ainu Laire
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Apr 8 2011, 11:57pm

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Don't visit TORn for two weeks [In reply to] Can't Post

You'll get refreshed and un-bored when you return.

If not, take a month off :P

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Bow&Helm
The Shire

Apr 9 2011, 12:09am

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Please explain [In reply to] Can't Post

If the supposed casting call is 18-27 and she is 16 going on 17 (someone cue sound of music please) how is that artistic license? Especially when you imply she's too old?


Kangi Ska
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Apr 9 2011, 12:40am

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No worry [In reply to] Can't Post

she is not going to be playing Primula and Itaril is any age imaginable.

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pandoraziki
Rivendell

Apr 9 2011, 12:48am

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Beautiful name. Means Freedom as gaeilge// [In reply to] Can't Post

 


duats
Grey Havens

Apr 9 2011, 12:49am

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No disrespect [In reply to] Can't Post

But you have no way of knowing that for certain.

We all have to wait for an official announcement before we can make declarative statements like that.


DrewS17
The Shire

Apr 9 2011, 12:51am

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Casting Director [In reply to] Can't Post


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When actors are still in negotiations, they don't talk about it. It's bad form to negotiate through the press, and casting directors don't appreciate the pressure being applied through the publicity.

Do people just magically forget that one of the biggest reasons she keeps getting bothered with questions is because the CASTING DIRECTOR said she's heading to NZ to film the friggin movie? And now you're saying oh she's wrong for putting pressure on the casting directors? What? The casting director is the reason why she's getting pressured with questions.



Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Apr 9 2011, 12:58am

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I had a vision and all was revealed. [In reply to] Can't Post

(ACTUALLY ) Primula does not make good sense given several factors.
1. The young lady has all ready played in a staring role for PJ & Company.
2. Primula will be no more than a glorified bit part.
3. When they do the next update of the OED they are putting her picture next to the definition of Elf.

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Kangi Ska
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Apr 9 2011, 1:00am

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the nail has been struck upon its head. You are so right. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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duats
Grey Havens

Apr 9 2011, 1:05am

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Lol [In reply to] Can't Post

"Bit part" doesn't mean "unimportant."

Sure, I don't expect Primula Baggins to have a huge role. But her character is incredibly important, as is Drogo. They're Frodo's parents. And their deaths bring Frodo to Bag End. Their deaths are the reason that Bilbo brings him in. As such, you could very well argue that the Lord of the Rings (as it is) would not have transpired without the characters of Drogo and Primula Baggins.

In the grand scheme of things, their roles are crucial ones to this mythology. Moreso than a made-up elf wench who wants to be on Thranduil's Royal Guard, and who falls in love with a Elf Lord.

I'd rather Ronan have a role that actually means something in the greater picture, instead of her being subjected to a forced-in romantic angle where people oogle at her l33t elf skillz.


(This post was edited by duats on Apr 9 2011, 1:08am)


Kangi Ska
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Apr 9 2011, 1:13am

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While true that does not make them important to The Hobbit. [In reply to] Can't Post

Frodo's background story does not belong in The Hobbit: in the dead Bridge film definitely but not in the Hobbit. It is like dragging in bits of the Sillmarillion. It would just distract from the central story.

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duats
Grey Havens

Apr 9 2011, 1:16am

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And a made-up elf warrior-princess does? [In reply to] Can't Post

Kangi, I understand what you're saying. But Drogo Baggins has been cast. So has Elijah Wood. We're going to get Frodo's background in these films. No sense in resisting that at this point.

So, bearing that in mind, I'd rather Ronan play a significant character like Primula, instead of a throw-away character like Itaril.

As for her not looking "hobbity," I say that's great. Make her stand out. Make her special. Make her the exception. As I've said in the past, it would certainly help explain where Frodo got his non-hobbity good looks.


(This post was edited by duats on Apr 9 2011, 1:18am)


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Apr 9 2011, 1:47am

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So you aver that [In reply to] Can't Post

"We're going to get Frodo's background in these films. No sense in resisting that at this point." But I say nay and I believe even if Primula does make the appearance you propose, she will be played by someone much closer to Martin Freeman's age.

And why would Frodo's appearance in a framing story for The Hobbit necessitate his mother's appearance. I think this is just wishful thinking by many people for many reasons. I am sorry I can not agree. If Ms Ronan is cast in the Hobbit it will not be as Primula Brandybuck / Baggins. Thats my story and I am stickin' to it.AngelicAngelic

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duats
Grey Havens

Apr 9 2011, 1:54am

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Why would they cast Primula the same age as Bilbo... [In reply to] Can't Post

When they cast an actor for Drogo Baggins who is much younger?

Furthermore, why cast Drogo at all if they weren't going to include Primula?

Even further, the whole concept of Itaril came from that "fake" casting sheet, which also featured Primula. Why believe in one character's appearance but dismiss the other's?


Plurmo
Rohan

Apr 9 2011, 2:07am

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I believe the only reason for Primula [In reply to] Can't Post

and Drogo to appear in The Hobbit is PJ's lasting love for the work of Elijah in LOTR. At the beginning of the FOTR movie Bilbo's adoption of Frodo was already justified on the grounds of him showing "real spirit," no connection to Drogo or Primula involved. On the other hand Itaril is probably the re-issuing of an early drafting, possibly thought out when the scriptwriters were first thinking on how to adapt either The Hobbit or LOTR. So, you see, arguably Primula has less to do with their true adaptation of The Hobbit than Itaril. Of course this is pure speculation, but as Kangi says, that's my tale and I'm sticking to it too.Smile


duats
Grey Havens

Apr 9 2011, 2:12am

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Straight from Bilbo's mouth [In reply to] Can't Post

"I don't know why I took you in after your mother and father died..."

Sure, they weren't specifically named, but they were mentioned. Bilbo makes it quite clear. He took Frodo in after they died.

So yes, they did factor into the trilogy - regardless of the capacity.


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Plurmo
Rohan

Apr 9 2011, 2:26am

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That was not what I meant. [In reply to] Can't Post

I meant the justification for the adoption was not related to Primula and Drogo, not even "charity," but to Frodo himself. It wasn't portrayed as a favour or a retribution, etc. That he was adopted because he was an orphan was reasonable, but it was not necessarily because of whom their parents were. I hope I conveyed the idea in a better way this time.


sphdle1
Gondor


Apr 9 2011, 3:43am

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No, never heard that last name before [In reply to] Can't Post

Unless it has O' or Mc in front of it, I wouldn't know an Irish name.

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Apr 9 2011, 9:03am

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But this is the Hobbit and not Lord of the Rings. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Kangi Ska
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Apr 9 2011, 10:02am

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I did not say that Primula & Bilbo would be the same age [In reply to] Can't Post

I said that if Primula was cast the actress would be much closer to Martin Freeman's age than Saoirse Ronan's 17 years.

Drogo & Primula (if included in the movies) must serve the same purpose as the young Elf Warrior Wench (if included in the movies) and that is to carry the plot of "The Hobbit " forward. Venturing away from the center risks losing the focus of the story. There would be nothing wrong with having Drogo & Primula appear. They would just have to serve a purpose for "The Hobbit". The same is true about Itaril.

I have never been in favor of deviating from "The Hobbit" as Tolkien wrote it but that is definitely not what is happening with these two movies. So we are left to guess just what the writers & director have decided to alter or include in the final product. Piecing together the clues (meager though they are) and recalling the history of the individuals involved, casts a bit of light upon the likely path that these movies will follow.

There will be a female presence. There will be a romantic thread or threads added to the background story. Action sequences will be upgraded. The events at The Woodland Realm & Esgaroth will be fleshed out and made more exciting. The main steps in the progress of the Quest will not be altered but some of the ways and means will be altered to give it more human interest or to up the level of action. This will require the addition of characters to the Tolkien story. It makes little difference to me if they bring in other Tolkien characters or create plausible characters that were not Tolkien's invention. The point must be the same. These characters are there to make the movies better and for me the best Hobbit movies would stick to the heart of what th book is about.

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FrodoEyes
Rivendell

Apr 9 2011, 1:18pm

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Oh i never get bored [In reply to] Can't Post

And don't see why anyone could with so much to do in life. Maybe i used the wrong words. I just mean that i'd like to hear something about filming, not talk about someone who, at the moment, hasn't even been cast and all we hear is people asking her about The Hobbit and her saying 'yeah, i'd love to be in it, i love PJ' etc etc.
We're talking about her so much, and if, or when, she does get cast, it'll surely be a small part. Where's all the discussion about Martin Freeman and what he might look like as Bilbo? What about Smaug?

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FrodoEyes
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Apr 9 2011, 1:19pm

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Now that.... [In reply to] Can't Post

would be impossible! I love coming here every day.

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Flagg
Tol Eressea


Apr 9 2011, 2:59pm

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Bilbo discussions have died down lately [In reply to] Can't Post


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Where's all the discussion about Martin Freeman and what he might look like as Bilbo? What about Smaug?

Discussion of Bilbo's appearance has slowly grown less common since Martin Freeman was officially cast. We now know (more or less) what Bilbo will look like in these films; there's currently not much to say, and there won't be until some character photos come our way. Smaug, the actor who will voice him, what he will look like and how his role will be altered in the films have always been common subjects for discussion (with the debates perhaps peaking in the Del Toro's Smaug thread). Hey, there are two Smaug threads on the front page of the Hobbit movie board a this very moment. People will always discuss what's on the forefront of their minds, and sometimes this will be characters not present in the book. I've always found it strange when people express dissatisfaction with what others are discussing (and this is not just directed at you some members have made much stronger complaints than yours).



SirDennisC
Half-elven


Apr 9 2011, 4:04pm

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Saoirse? [In reply to] Can't Post

Is that you?


Altaira
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Apr 9 2011, 4:19pm

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Bilbo was 18 yrs older than Drogo and 30 yrs. older than Primula [In reply to] Can't Post

It doesn't make sense for them to cast someone closer to Bilbo's (Martin's) age when the characters weren't close in age at all, even for Hobbits, especially when they cast a younger Drogo. If there's no reason for Primula to appear in the movie (yet another factor which I think is going to disappoint you), it makes even less sense for them to age her movie character when her husband's is spot on.


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