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MTV Movie Blog talks to Saoirse Ronan on 'The Hobbit'

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Apr 8 2011, 9:47am

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MTV Movie Blog talks to Saoirse Ronan on 'The Hobbit' Can't Post

While there isn't a lot of new information, this might be the first time some of you are seeing Saoirse in person talking about her possible 'Hobbit' role:

Check out the full article at the MTV Movie Blog [Read more]


sphdle1
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Apr 8 2011, 3:35pm

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I didn't know she was Irish [In reply to] Can't Post

Love the accent!

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Owain
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Apr 8 2011, 4:03pm

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Same wording as her Cinema Blend, Screen Rant, and WonderCon... [In reply to] Can't Post

interviews; as well as confirmation that she would like to be an elf and not a hobbit... again.

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."

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Estel78
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Apr 8 2011, 4:09pm

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Because they keep asking her the same questions... again. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Owain
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Apr 8 2011, 4:16pm

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I'm not complaining [In reply to] Can't Post

Just pointing out that the wording is consistent.

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


Pipe Dream
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Apr 8 2011, 6:03pm

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It seems to me that she is grasping at straws... [In reply to] Can't Post

...trying to get a role through publicity. I do love her accent though, it reminds me of this girl I once knew while in Germany, Fiona was her name...(before Apple arrived on the scene) she had a far thicker accent then Saoirse. It usually took me a few moments to figure out what she was saying. Cool

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Otaku-sempai
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Apr 8 2011, 6:16pm

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Grasping? I don't think so... [In reply to] Can't Post

I think she absolutely knows whether or not there is a role for her. She is not yet in a position to publicly confirm it. On the other hand, the "I wouldn't want to be a hobbit" schtick could be a ruse to throw fans off the trail if she is going to portray Primula Brandybuck.

By the way, isn't Saoirse almost too old to play a 20/21 year-old hobbit? I would think that a 14 or 15 year-old actress would be closer to the mark. I suppose that could be chalked up to artistic licence.


(This post was edited by Otaku-sempai on Apr 8 2011, 6:21pm)


duats
Grey Havens

Apr 8 2011, 6:24pm

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I hope that's the case [In reply to] Can't Post

But I'm not reading too far into his comment one way or another.

It's fine that she has a preference, but I'd bet my house that she'd take a hobbit role in a heartbeat.


Symbelmine
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Apr 8 2011, 6:25pm

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unconfirmed casting call for Primula: [In reply to] Can't Post

[PRIMULA BRANDYBUCK] Primula is a bright, lively and pretty young Hobbit. She is considered to be ‘wayward’ and ‘not proper’. But PRIMULA doesn’t care. Prone to letting words and thoughts tumble out of her mouth without pause, PRIMULA can also be acutely observant. Kind hearted with a loving nature, she is the type of person who can light up a room
LEAD. AGE: 18-27

I know everyone say S.Ronan has to play an elf but as I watched this MTV interview she would fit for the role of Primula.


Otaku-sempai
Immortal

Apr 8 2011, 6:29pm

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Well, that's it then... [In reply to] Can't Post

I guess that 'artistic licence' it is. Either Primula is going to look slightly older than her given age (they do say that girls mature faster!) or Jackson is going to tweak Tolkien's timeline once again.


duats
Grey Havens

Apr 8 2011, 6:30pm

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And let me put this another way [In reply to] Can't Post

Ronan said that PJ wanted her in The Hobbit during the production of The Lovely Bones, and that he had a specific role in mind.

Now I admit my bias against Itaril, but I have a heard time believing that PJ had a made-up character like Itaril in mind three years ago.

Now, Primula Baggins (the mother of LoTR protagonist Frodo Baggins) on the other hand...


SirDennisC
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Apr 8 2011, 6:30pm

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Momma always said [In reply to] Can't Post

"If you don't have anything nice to say..."

A few years from now I really want to be the guy who says, "I'm quite surprised by how much SR brought to the films. I was wrong about her, what a talent!"

Until then all I can wonder is when did charisma stop being an essential ingredient of stardom?


entmaiden
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Apr 8 2011, 6:32pm

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I've thought that for a while [In reply to] Can't Post

If she really had a part, but was not able to discuss it, she would decline to answer the questions. Instead she talks as if she had the part, but reading her words carefully, you can see the hedging. She "would love to be in New Zealand again", not she's "looking forward to be in New Zealand" again.

If she had a role, but wasn't able to announce it, she would not be talking about whether she's prefer to be an elf or a hobbit.

When actors are still in negotiations, they don't talk about it. It's bad form to negotiate through the press, and casting directors don't appreciate the pressure being applied through the publicity.


Symbelmine
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Apr 8 2011, 6:33pm

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Did she say that PJ had specific role in his mind??? [In reply to] Can't Post



Otaku-sempai
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Apr 8 2011, 6:35pm

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Well... [In reply to] Can't Post


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Now I admit my bias against Itaril, but I have a heard time believing that PJ had a made-up character like Itaril in mind three years ago.

Now, Primula Baggins (the mother of LoTR protagonist Frodo Baggins) on the other hand...


I don't find it hard to believe at all that 'Itaril' or some other new character was already floating around in Jackson's mind three years ago.

Let me just add that it is possible that Ms. Ronan could play more than one roll.


Kangi Ska
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Apr 8 2011, 6:39pm

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2PM Eastern Standard Time USA July 3, 1986 [In reply to] Can't Post

charisma was dropped from the list of necessary attributes for actors.


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LoremIpsum
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Apr 8 2011, 6:40pm

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Orlando Bloom [In reply to] Can't Post

seemed to be talking in exactly the same way about his involvement in the Hobbit. Lots of "I'd love to be in it" ... "if they asked me I would..." etc..


(This post was edited by LoremIpsum on Apr 8 2011, 6:41pm)


duats
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Apr 8 2011, 6:40pm

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I don't think so [In reply to] Can't Post

Jed Brophy, Lawrence Makoare, and Sala Baker had multiple roles, but they played characters that required prosthetics. Thus, their physical appearances could be changed.

Andy Serkis played multiple characters, but they were characters that only required voice work. Physically, Serkis was only Smeagol/Gollum.

John Rhys-Davies played two characters, but one was a CG creation that only required his voice.

So unless Ronan was going to have prosthetic work done, or provide her voice for something, I don't see her playing more than one role.

And the thought of PJ having this made-up elf character in his head three years ago is incredibly disheartening.


(This post was edited by duats on Apr 8 2011, 6:42pm)


Symbelmine
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Apr 8 2011, 6:51pm

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Why not? [In reply to] Can't Post

Even proper and professional make up and wig can change look of a person a lot.

I'm with you about Itaril. I don't want her to be in the movie and I would prefer if S.Ronan played Primula or some minor elf role or both.

(This post was edited by Symbelmine on Apr 8 2011, 6:53pm)


duats
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Apr 8 2011, 6:55pm

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Not enough to make her look like a completely different person [In reply to] Can't Post

Makeup wouldn't change her nose, nor her facial structure. Even in Hanna, where she was given a complete makeover, I can still see Ronan.

No thanks. I'd rather not have her in two roles.


Symbelmine
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Apr 8 2011, 6:59pm

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professional masquers can even change the look of a nose [In reply to] Can't Post

I would not recognize her in Hanna if I didn't know it's her. I wouldn't probably recognize her if I saw her completely without make up.
In my own experiences I know make up can make "miracles".

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Otaku-sempai
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Apr 8 2011, 7:00pm

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I wasn't making a prediction... [In reply to] Can't Post

,,,just bringing up a possibility. Especially since the role of Primula might not even be a speaking part, but little more than a cameo itself. From the description, though, I would expect her to have at least a few lines.


(This post was edited by Otaku-sempai on Apr 8 2011, 7:02pm)


Symbelmine
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Apr 8 2011, 7:02pm

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If the casting call wasn't fake [In reply to] Can't Post

it looks like Primula will have speaking parts.


Flagg
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Apr 8 2011, 7:10pm

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Saoirse Ronan would make a heck of an interesting Necromancer... [In reply to] Can't Post

Speaking of which, is it true that PJ considered casting Kate Winslet as the Mouth of Sauron? Wikipedia says so, but it's a couple of years since I've listened to the director's commentary on the RotK EE.


entmaiden
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Apr 8 2011, 7:12pm

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He hasn't been cast yet either [In reply to] Can't Post

He's seen a script, though, which is more than Ms. Ronan has said.


Symbelmine
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Apr 8 2011, 7:26pm

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He got the script [In reply to] Can't Post

which means his character is in it.


FrodoEyes
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Apr 8 2011, 7:30pm

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To be honest [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm quite bored of it now. I'm hearing more about her than i am about the film itself.

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Apr 8 2011, 7:31pm

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This...// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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R11
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Apr 8 2011, 7:47pm

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I don't find it hard to believe at all that 'Itaril' or some other new character was already floating around in Jackson's mind three years ago.

Let me just add that it is possible that Ms. Ronan could play more than one roll.



Why not two! Cool





BTW, I do agree with you that PJ could easily have had a role like Itaril in mind back then.


ron


Kangi Ska
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Apr 8 2011, 8:24pm

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Did you ever notice her name? [In reply to] Can't Post

It is about as Irish as you can get.

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Kangi Ska
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Apr 8 2011, 8:25pm

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She is definitly an Elf. [In reply to] Can't Post

All wrong for a Hobbit.

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Kangi Ska
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Apr 8 2011, 8:26pm

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Yah like "Bring those spoons back here now!" // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Kangi Ska
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Apr 8 2011, 8:32pm

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That is wrong in so many ways... [In reply to] Can't Post

Weren't you pushing Annatar a while back? I am suggesting that Sauron can not manifest a body until he returns to Baradur and I am worried that Jackson makes him an eyeball until he has the ring to make him whole again.

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Kangi Ska
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Apr 8 2011, 8:34pm

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"which is more than Ms. Ronan has said.' [In reply to] Can't Post

Yes Orly said that.

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R11
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Apr 8 2011, 8:39pm

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Really....? [In reply to] Can't Post

She's got loads of charisma if you ask me. Especially for a kid who just turned 17. And mature beyond her short years too. Here's another interesting, more low key interview from a couple years ago where she talks a bit about what it was like working with PJ, Fran and Philippa on the Lovely Bones:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/1HQLD-GR89g


And a short but funny one here from the George Lopez show talking about the pronunciation of her name:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/vC8dDb6fkD0



ron


Symbelmine
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Apr 8 2011, 8:39pm

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she isn't an elf [In reply to] Can't Post



Kangi Ska
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Apr 8 2011, 8:54pm

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No hairy toes for that little lady. [In reply to] Can't Post

I'll bet she gets one of them curved Elf swords like Arwen.

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Symbelmine
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Apr 8 2011, 8:59pm

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you would give a sword to this little lady? [In reply to] Can't Post

:D


Kangi Ska
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Apr 8 2011, 9:07pm

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I have not been bored fo 40 years. [In reply to] Can't Post

Life is far too interesting.

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Apr 8 2011, 9:08pm

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If I could. Go see "Hanna" it opened here today.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Flagg
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Apr 8 2011, 9:11pm

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I was not endorsing the idea of a female Sauron [In reply to] Can't Post

I was simply pointing out that it would be very interesting. Some members here have said that they hope for a female Smaug; a female Sauron seems like a much more acceptable idea, considering that he is an inherently spiritual and non-biological entity. (Again, that is not to say that I want this to happen.) Sauron did indeed have a body during his stay in Dol Guldur; I believe Tolkien specifically stated this in 'Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age'.

I like Annatar (<--- as you can see) and would be interested in seeing some glimpse of him in the Necromancer scenes, perhaps as an astral projection of some sort (this was an idea the filmmakers previously explored for the Black Gate showdown). This would not necessarily contradict Tolkien's statement that Sauron could not take on a fair form. We know he could still create fair works (the ring is a thing of beauty), so conjuring an alluring mirage should not be beyond his powers. A possible precedent is in The Silmarillion; Melkor created a ghostly image of the dead wife of a minor character (whose name eludes me) in order to deceive him into doing something or other (it's been a while since I've read it).


Otaku-sempai
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Apr 8 2011, 9:25pm

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Aargh! [In reply to] Can't Post

Of course I meant 'role' and not 'roll'. Erg.


Kangi Ska
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Apr 8 2011, 9:31pm

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Nice buns! // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Oiotári
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Apr 8 2011, 9:42pm

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I took the question more as [In reply to] Can't Post

"what race would you want to be?" than "what race would your character in the movie to be?"

I'm sure she'd take any role offered her


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R11
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Apr 8 2011, 9:48pm

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She doesn't need a sword [In reply to] Can't Post

She's already got the archery training. All she needs now is a little shield surfing experience and she'll be good to go!


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And about those The Hobbit rumors...will her archery training come in handy for that film?:

Saoirse Ronan: "Well I’m not confirmed to do The Hobbit yet. If I did get a part, I’m sure it would come in handy because a lot of the characters in that film live in the woods and have makeshift weapons and things like that. So yeah, it probably would. We’ll see if that happens."





http://movies.about.com/...-Hanna-interview.htm


ron


Symbelmine
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Apr 8 2011, 10:14pm

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"lots of characters in this movie lives in woods" [In reply to] Can't Post

  

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And about those The Hobbit rumors...will her archery training come in handy for that film?:

Saoirse Ronan: "Well I’m not confirmed to do The Hobbit yet. If I did get a part, I’m sure it would come in handy because a lot of the characters in that film live in the woods and have makeshift weapons and things like that. So yeah, it probably would. We’ll see if that happens."





http://movies.about.com/...-Hanna-interview.htm


I think she indirectly confirms Itaril and that she is waiting to get this role.


Kangi Ska
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Apr 8 2011, 10:30pm

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I like swords. Swords are good. [In reply to] Can't Post

If she is part of a bodyguard she will have a sword.

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R11
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Apr 8 2011, 10:50pm

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Yep [In reply to] Can't Post

Except I'd say she already has the role but just can't say so yet.


ron


Ainu Laire
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Apr 8 2011, 11:23pm

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Why? [In reply to] Can't Post

Tolkien had no female characters in the Hobbit. It is not difficult to imagine Thranduil's family, or Bard's family, or just the random citizens around that part of Middle-earth.

I suppose that I, as a fan fic writer, am more sympathetic to characters made up for the films than others here are. Then again, I thought he used his Rohan family in TTT effectively. Just so long as it's not overdone...

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Apr 8 2011, 11:31pm

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To reinforce your argument, [In reply to] Can't Post

it was Sauron, not Morgoth, who created the ghost of Eilinel.

Contrary to the current views, I believe what we call Itaril to be the first draft of what was fused with Arwen and became known as XenArwen. Those scriptmakers have been studying the books for ages and must have had an immense amount of strange ideas during the writing process. Women Mouths of Sauron (that hat was incredible suspicious wasn't it?,) women Sauron, Kimberly the Pink...

This idea that Saoirse could be a Third Age hobbit is rather strange. She could be perhaps a Fourth Age hobbit if her hair was curled. Sarah McLeod (Rosie Cotton) was already way beyond what would be a queen among hobbits. She was more in Goldberry level than hobbit. But Saoirse is downright elvish.


kareniel
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Apr 8 2011, 11:34pm

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I think she's charming. [In reply to] Can't Post

Talented, too. Have you seen her in any movies?


Ainu Laire
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Apr 8 2011, 11:57pm

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Don't visit TORn for two weeks [In reply to] Can't Post

You'll get refreshed and un-bored when you return.

If not, take a month off :P

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Bow&Helm
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Apr 9 2011, 12:09am

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Please explain [In reply to] Can't Post

If the supposed casting call is 18-27 and she is 16 going on 17 (someone cue sound of music please) how is that artistic license? Especially when you imply she's too old?


Kangi Ska
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Apr 9 2011, 12:40am

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No worry [In reply to] Can't Post

she is not going to be playing Primula and Itaril is any age imaginable.

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Apr 9 2011, 12:48am

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Beautiful name. Means Freedom as gaeilge// [In reply to] Can't Post

 


duats
Grey Havens

Apr 9 2011, 12:49am

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No disrespect [In reply to] Can't Post

But you have no way of knowing that for certain.

We all have to wait for an official announcement before we can make declarative statements like that.


DrewS17
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Apr 9 2011, 12:51am

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Casting Director [In reply to] Can't Post


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When actors are still in negotiations, they don't talk about it. It's bad form to negotiate through the press, and casting directors don't appreciate the pressure being applied through the publicity.

Do people just magically forget that one of the biggest reasons she keeps getting bothered with questions is because the CASTING DIRECTOR said she's heading to NZ to film the friggin movie? And now you're saying oh she's wrong for putting pressure on the casting directors? What? The casting director is the reason why she's getting pressured with questions.



Kangi Ska
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Apr 9 2011, 12:58am

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I had a vision and all was revealed. [In reply to] Can't Post

(ACTUALLY ) Primula does not make good sense given several factors.
1. The young lady has all ready played in a staring role for PJ & Company.
2. Primula will be no more than a glorified bit part.
3. When they do the next update of the OED they are putting her picture next to the definition of Elf.

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Apr 9 2011, 1:00am

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the nail has been struck upon its head. You are so right. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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duats
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Apr 9 2011, 1:05am

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Lol [In reply to] Can't Post

"Bit part" doesn't mean "unimportant."

Sure, I don't expect Primula Baggins to have a huge role. But her character is incredibly important, as is Drogo. They're Frodo's parents. And their deaths bring Frodo to Bag End. Their deaths are the reason that Bilbo brings him in. As such, you could very well argue that the Lord of the Rings (as it is) would not have transpired without the characters of Drogo and Primula Baggins.

In the grand scheme of things, their roles are crucial ones to this mythology. Moreso than a made-up elf wench who wants to be on Thranduil's Royal Guard, and who falls in love with a Elf Lord.

I'd rather Ronan have a role that actually means something in the greater picture, instead of her being subjected to a forced-in romantic angle where people oogle at her l33t elf skillz.


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Kangi Ska
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Apr 9 2011, 1:13am

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While true that does not make them important to The Hobbit. [In reply to] Can't Post

Frodo's background story does not belong in The Hobbit: in the dead Bridge film definitely but not in the Hobbit. It is like dragging in bits of the Sillmarillion. It would just distract from the central story.

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duats
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Apr 9 2011, 1:16am

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Kangi, I understand what you're saying. But Drogo Baggins has been cast. So has Elijah Wood. We're going to get Frodo's background in these films. No sense in resisting that at this point.

So, bearing that in mind, I'd rather Ronan play a significant character like Primula, instead of a throw-away character like Itaril.

As for her not looking "hobbity," I say that's great. Make her stand out. Make her special. Make her the exception. As I've said in the past, it would certainly help explain where Frodo got his non-hobbity good looks.


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Kangi Ska
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Apr 9 2011, 1:47am

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"We're going to get Frodo's background in these films. No sense in resisting that at this point." But I say nay and I believe even if Primula does make the appearance you propose, she will be played by someone much closer to Martin Freeman's age.

And why would Frodo's appearance in a framing story for The Hobbit necessitate his mother's appearance. I think this is just wishful thinking by many people for many reasons. I am sorry I can not agree. If Ms Ronan is cast in the Hobbit it will not be as Primula Brandybuck / Baggins. Thats my story and I am stickin' to it.AngelicAngelic

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duats
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Apr 9 2011, 1:54am

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Why would they cast Primula the same age as Bilbo... [In reply to] Can't Post

When they cast an actor for Drogo Baggins who is much younger?

Furthermore, why cast Drogo at all if they weren't going to include Primula?

Even further, the whole concept of Itaril came from that "fake" casting sheet, which also featured Primula. Why believe in one character's appearance but dismiss the other's?


Plurmo
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Apr 9 2011, 2:07am

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I believe the only reason for Primula [In reply to] Can't Post

and Drogo to appear in The Hobbit is PJ's lasting love for the work of Elijah in LOTR. At the beginning of the FOTR movie Bilbo's adoption of Frodo was already justified on the grounds of him showing "real spirit," no connection to Drogo or Primula involved. On the other hand Itaril is probably the re-issuing of an early drafting, possibly thought out when the scriptwriters were first thinking on how to adapt either The Hobbit or LOTR. So, you see, arguably Primula has less to do with their true adaptation of The Hobbit than Itaril. Of course this is pure speculation, but as Kangi says, that's my tale and I'm sticking to it too.Smile


duats
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Apr 9 2011, 2:12am

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"I don't know why I took you in after your mother and father died..."

Sure, they weren't specifically named, but they were mentioned. Bilbo makes it quite clear. He took Frodo in after they died.

So yes, they did factor into the trilogy - regardless of the capacity.


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Plurmo
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Apr 9 2011, 2:26am

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That was not what I meant. [In reply to] Can't Post

I meant the justification for the adoption was not related to Primula and Drogo, not even "charity," but to Frodo himself. It wasn't portrayed as a favour or a retribution, etc. That he was adopted because he was an orphan was reasonable, but it was not necessarily because of whom their parents were. I hope I conveyed the idea in a better way this time.


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Apr 9 2011, 3:43am

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No, never heard that last name before [In reply to] Can't Post

Unless it has O' or Mc in front of it, I wouldn't know an Irish name.

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Kangi Ska
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Apr 9 2011, 9:03am

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Apr 9 2011, 10:02am

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I did not say that Primula & Bilbo would be the same age [In reply to] Can't Post

I said that if Primula was cast the actress would be much closer to Martin Freeman's age than Saoirse Ronan's 17 years.

Drogo & Primula (if included in the movies) must serve the same purpose as the young Elf Warrior Wench (if included in the movies) and that is to carry the plot of "The Hobbit " forward. Venturing away from the center risks losing the focus of the story. There would be nothing wrong with having Drogo & Primula appear. They would just have to serve a purpose for "The Hobbit". The same is true about Itaril.

I have never been in favor of deviating from "The Hobbit" as Tolkien wrote it but that is definitely not what is happening with these two movies. So we are left to guess just what the writers & director have decided to alter or include in the final product. Piecing together the clues (meager though they are) and recalling the history of the individuals involved, casts a bit of light upon the likely path that these movies will follow.

There will be a female presence. There will be a romantic thread or threads added to the background story. Action sequences will be upgraded. The events at The Woodland Realm & Esgaroth will be fleshed out and made more exciting. The main steps in the progress of the Quest will not be altered but some of the ways and means will be altered to give it more human interest or to up the level of action. This will require the addition of characters to the Tolkien story. It makes little difference to me if they bring in other Tolkien characters or create plausible characters that were not Tolkien's invention. The point must be the same. These characters are there to make the movies better and for me the best Hobbit movies would stick to the heart of what th book is about.

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Apr 9 2011, 1:18pm

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Oh i never get bored [In reply to] Can't Post

And don't see why anyone could with so much to do in life. Maybe i used the wrong words. I just mean that i'd like to hear something about filming, not talk about someone who, at the moment, hasn't even been cast and all we hear is people asking her about The Hobbit and her saying 'yeah, i'd love to be in it, i love PJ' etc etc.
We're talking about her so much, and if, or when, she does get cast, it'll surely be a small part. Where's all the discussion about Martin Freeman and what he might look like as Bilbo? What about Smaug?

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Apr 9 2011, 1:19pm

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Now that.... [In reply to] Can't Post

would be impossible! I love coming here every day.

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Apr 9 2011, 2:59pm

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Bilbo discussions have died down lately [In reply to] Can't Post


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Where's all the discussion about Martin Freeman and what he might look like as Bilbo? What about Smaug?

Discussion of Bilbo's appearance has slowly grown less common since Martin Freeman was officially cast. We now know (more or less) what Bilbo will look like in these films; there's currently not much to say, and there won't be until some character photos come our way. Smaug, the actor who will voice him, what he will look like and how his role will be altered in the films have always been common subjects for discussion (with the debates perhaps peaking in the Del Toro's Smaug thread). Hey, there are two Smaug threads on the front page of the Hobbit movie board a this very moment. People will always discuss what's on the forefront of their minds, and sometimes this will be characters not present in the book. I've always found it strange when people express dissatisfaction with what others are discussing (and this is not just directed at you – some members have made much stronger complaints than yours).



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Apr 9 2011, 4:04pm

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Saoirse? [In reply to] Can't Post

Is that you?


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Apr 9 2011, 4:19pm

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Bilbo was 18 yrs older than Drogo and 30 yrs. older than Primula [In reply to] Can't Post

It doesn't make sense for them to cast someone closer to Bilbo's (Martin's) age when the characters weren't close in age at all, even for Hobbits, especially when they cast a younger Drogo. If there's no reason for Primula to appear in the movie (yet another factor which I think is going to disappoint you), it makes even less sense for them to age her movie character when her husband's is spot on.


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Apr 9 2011, 4:32pm

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Just TLB [In reply to] Can't Post

but planning to see Hanna tonight. I'll get back to you on the talented bit -- hopefully singing a different tune.

In the meantime, I can say that off camera she does nothing for me. It might have been anyone in that interview. Nothing really grabbed my attention.

For the sake of comparison I had the opposite reaction when Richard Armitage was announced. I wasn't crazy about the idea at first because what I had seen of his acting seemed affected. But when I saw him during the first press conference his charisma shone through. In fact that was his most striking attribute, to me.

I'm getting a little tired of having child "stars" pushed down my throat. Fame and stardom are so often fabricated, so seldom earned. Obviously child actors by definition have had less time to build a career than their young adult counterparts, and that's ok. But they shouldn't be out there competing with adults for lead roles. What's the rush?


duats
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Apr 9 2011, 5:57pm

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In addition to this [In reply to] Can't Post

17-year-old Saoirse Ronan does not automatically equal a 17-year-old Primula Baggins.

In the Lord of the Rings, they made it appear as if the hobbits were the same age - or at the very least close together. Yet Billy Boyd was twelve years Elijah Wood's senior. Does that make Pippin twelve years older than Frodo?

Ronan has a maturity in her face. I could easily buy her as a young adult hobbit. Especially when you consider that an 18-year-old human would be the equivalent of a 33-year-old hobbit.

I honestly don't see the problem.


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R11
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Apr 9 2011, 6:09pm

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but planning to see Hanna tonight. I'll get back to you on the talented bit -- hopefully singing a different tune.

In the meantime, I can say that off camera she does nothing for me. It might have been anyone in that interview. Nothing really grabbed my attention.

For the sake of comparison I had the opposite reaction when Richard Armitage was announced. I wasn't crazy about the idea at first because what I had seen of his acting seemed affected. But when I saw him during the first press conference his charisma shone through. In fact that was his most striking attribute, to me.

I'm getting a little tired of having child "stars" pushed down my throat. Fame and stardom are so often fabricated, so seldom earned. Obviously child actors by definition have had less time to build a career than their young adult counterparts, and that's ok. But they shouldn't be out there competing with adults for lead roles. What's the rush?



You're just Grumpy! Wink Seriously though, it's not like her praise is unfounded and she hasn't done anything yet in her short career. I mean, she was nominated for an Oscar, BAFTA, and Golden Globe for her work in Attonement at the age of 13(?). And consider that she has quite a thick Irish accent yet you'd never know if from watching her in The Lovely Bones done when she was 14 or 15. That's something a lot of actors struggle with and are never able to master at any age...


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Kangi Ska
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Apr 9 2011, 7:04pm

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No matter what happens I will not be dissapointed. [In reply to] Can't Post

I might not think that dragging in Frodos family history is important for the telling of the Hobbit but if it does not get in the way it is fine. If they are there as back ground characters that is OK too. I just think that SR would never get cast in such a role. Especially after Hanna she looks like the Elf Warrior Wench to me.

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Apr 9 2011, 7:34pm

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Yes sometimes [In reply to] Can't Post

and honestly I appreciate the jocularity, especially when I am being grumpy. Angelic

I have a huge problem with Oscar nominations one's first time out. Often an Oscar nomination can be fairly interpreted as part of the star making process. IOW they are not always "earned." It's far too subjective... and it matters a great deal what the field is like in a given year: as one winner quipped the year ROTK swept the Oscars, "We are thankful LOTR was not nominated in this category." (or something to that effect.)

But the Oscars is an entirely different discussion, one I really am not interested in having. To be fair though I will read a rebuttal if you have one.


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Apr 9 2011, 8:13pm

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Agree with you about some of the child actors who appear to get inordinate attention for awards seemingly just because voters thought they were cute or whatever. Especially when it's at the expense of older actors who have done some really nice work with more difficult roles. I do think young Ms Ronan has shown herself to be a little more substantial than just the buzz of the moment though. But hey, at least you can be consoled that she didn't actually win that oscar Laugh.


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Apr 9 2011, 8:20pm

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Ha! Well said. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Marge
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Apr 10 2011, 1:01am

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[PRIMULA BRANDYBUCK] Primula is a bright, lively and pretty young Hobbit. She is considered to be ‘wayward’ and ‘not proper’. But PRIMULA doesn’t care. Prone to letting words and thoughts tumble out of her mouth without pause, PRIMULA can also be acutely observant. Kind hearted with a loving nature, she is the type of person who can light up a room
LEAD. AGE: 18-27

I know everyone say S.Ronan has to play an elf but as I watched this MTV interview she would fit for the role of Primula.


why not role as human in the hobbit movie? or like the daughter of a king ?


Kangi Ska
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Apr 10 2011, 1:47am

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SirDennisC
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Apr 10 2011, 3:09am

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Well, I'm happy to report [In reply to] Can't Post

that SR did a wonderful job in Hanna. I can totally see her playing an Elf warrior. Whether or not TH needs one as a key character...

*** slight SPOILER follows ***

The movie for the most part was not bad -- kind of Alice in Wonderland meets The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, minus the tattoos and other naughty bits. At its heart Hanna is a coming of age story. Pretty intelligent flick really.

What caught my attention early on was a reference to the brilliant coming of age movie My Life as a Dog. There were a couple nods to her future role in TH and one probably unintentional reference to Gollum in LOTR. At times, from certain angles, SR looked so much like Cate B I wondered if we were supposed to think she was her character's daughter.

I didn't think it was as good as that other girl assassin movie Kick-A%$ since KA took more time to develop characters other than the lead. (Perhaps they could have cut down on some of the sprinting scenes to make room for dialogue?) I freely admit that the comparison isn't entirely fair though since they are completely different approaches to a similar problem. As well, Hanna is supposed to be believable and therefore has less room to maneuver than the average action/assassin movie. Like I said though, not bad. I'm glad I had a chance to see it on the big screen.


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Kangi Ska
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Apr 10 2011, 8:06am

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Thanks SirD. Am looking forward to seeing Hanna as soon as I am off this shift.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Otaku-sempai
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Apr 10 2011, 6:27pm

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If the supposed casting call is 18-27 and she is 16 going on 17 (someone cue sound of music please) how is that artistic license? Especially when you imply she's too old?


I thought that my meaning was self-evident. Sorry if I was mistaken. I was using Tolkien's timeline and not the casting call (the details of which had escaped me). Primula Brandybuck was born in TA 2920, making her twenty or twenty-one years old at the time of The Hobbit. Since Hobbits seem to age and mature at approximately 2/3s the rate of Men (being recognized as adults at age thirty-three), Primula would be equivalent to a human girl of around fourteen years old.


FrodoEyes
Rivendell

Apr 11 2011, 3:32pm

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You're right, it's not a serious or angry outburst, just an observation. I'll be quiet now! :-D

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DrewS17
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Apr 12 2011, 4:30am

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Is that you?



Uh no, but i'm definitely a fan of hers and I'm excited for TH.........and just bringing up obvious things that people seem to be bypassing in order to say things like "she's campaigning for a role".


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