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Ruijor
Rohan


Apr 5 2011, 6:07pm

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Is it really dead? Hmm... [In reply to] Can't Post

What is Frodo doing in The Hobbit? Bridging.


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Apr 5 2011, 6:20pm

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But the bridgecraft is now spread between two films rather than focused in one. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


painjoiker
Grey Havens

Apr 5 2011, 6:23pm

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Some of the bridge-material did survive, [In reply to] Can't Post

to be included in the hobbit-films
And they are in general just linking things to LotR with every chance they get :)
So the bridging IDEA is not dead, but the bridge-FILM is dead :o


Owain
Tol Eressea


Apr 5 2011, 6:46pm

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I think if there is any Elf Lord lovin' [In reply to] Can't Post

It will probably be Legolas and Itaril...

We shall see.

Laugh

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Symbelmine
Rohan


Apr 5 2011, 6:57pm

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Thanks. I feel really "great" now. [In reply to] Can't Post

If PJ is going to do such unforgivable nonsense then I hope he will get thousands of hate mails and fans will throw rotten tomatoes on him.

(This post was edited by Symbelmine on Apr 5 2011, 6:58pm)


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Apr 5 2011, 7:04pm

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May yet happen even without [In reply to] Can't Post

the (unlikely IMHO) pairing of Legolas and Itaril.


jrpipik
Rivendell


Apr 5 2011, 7:05pm

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An elven woman warrior seems out of place... [In reply to] Can't Post

...since we didn't see any woman among the elven warriors in the Battle of Dagorlad or the Battle of Helm's Deep. If PJ envisioned an equal opportunity army, he probably should have included some. Perhaps the women are not overt warriors so much as rangers, similar to Arwen in the first part of the FOTR movie.


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Apr 5 2011, 7:09pm

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Unlikely [In reply to] Can't Post

unless they have 'magic' bows that require no draw strength.

JUST KIDDING!!!!!!


jrpipik
Rivendell


Apr 5 2011, 7:14pm

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Them elven warrior womens... [In reply to] Can't Post

...got lotsa draw strength!


Otaku-sempai
Immortal

Apr 5 2011, 7:23pm

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Merry, Pippin and Sam are the confirmation... [In reply to] Can't Post


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Yes, most people think that the long gap from Bilbo departing The Shire from Frodo leaving is very short in the movie. However, this is left untold, we don't know how much time that has passed, maybe 17 years did pass (I know the actor's hasnt aged, but still. The actors didn't age in The Shawshank Redemption either despite 30 years + in the prison, and people still regard that movie as the greatest of all time.) The thing is that PJ didn't make an alternate timeline in the movie so it's not messed with.


Even disregarding that the short span between Bilbo's leaving and Frodo's departure is confirmed in the commentaries of the extended edition of FotR, you are forgetting that Sam, Merry and Pippin should have all been just children at the time of Bilbo's Farewell Party. That they are already shown to be grown adults indicates that far less than seventeen years pass before Frodo leaves the Shire. This puts Aragorn in his mid-twenties at the time of The Hobbit.


Oiotári
Tol Eressea


Apr 5 2011, 7:28pm

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Just a hope [In reply to] Can't Post

It's definitely possible Lindir will play the role of a love interest, but I hope not. Also, it seems far more plausible (I hope) that he'd just be a minstrel than a love interest. Though I suppose it's also possible that he could be both.


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Symbelmine
Rohan


Apr 5 2011, 7:35pm

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To be honest [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't like the idea of any romance in this movie at all. There is not any in the book so why to add some into the movie? Stick to the canon.


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Apr 5 2011, 7:45pm

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If I may [In reply to] Can't Post

(I feel like I said this before Wink)

It would be far more acceptable for them to make up a story line between two unknown (or made up) characters than it would be to tag on additional material to a character we know a great deal about already. Legolas is relatively fully realized between LOTR and the appendices, neither of which even hint at a love interest from around the time of TH (if ever). I like to think of him as a warrior monk and pray they keep him that way.

This Lindir character seems the more likely choice for a romantic thread.


Owain
Tol Eressea


Apr 5 2011, 7:48pm

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I hope he doesn't get any hate mail... [In reply to] Can't Post

regardless of what he does or does not do.

Frown

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Apr 5 2011, 7:48pm

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Peter can chose to ignore Aragorn's stated age in the Two Towers EE or not. [In reply to] Can't Post

Only a bunch of geeks and nerds would worry about such a thing. I think the Hobbit should remain true to its own timeline and that would make Estel 10 or 11 when and if he appears.

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duats
Grey Havens

Apr 5 2011, 7:51pm

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Meh [In reply to] Can't Post

All this talk of a romantic angle depresses me. I cannot think of anything more unnecessary for these films.


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Apr 5 2011, 7:52pm

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Definitely. [In reply to] Can't Post

They can go back to the book timeline no problem for the benefit of the Hobbit films, since the timeline is really only changed in the extended versions of the movies, many people wouldn't even remember, or care.

As far as Bret is concerned, I expect him to do a little song possibly, or something along those lines, it would be pretty cool. This does make me more hopeful that we're going to see more of Rivendell and its residents besides Elrond.

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Apr 5 2011, 7:56pm

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You working on a rap song? // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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SirDennisC
Half-elven


Apr 5 2011, 7:57pm

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Funny... was just thinking that [In reply to] Can't Post

As much as it makes sense from a film making a/o commercial perspective, and as much as we know Jackson is very good at portraying the more subtle side of romance -- and portraying even that subtly -- it is beginning to sink in that it is completely unnecessary.


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Apr 5 2011, 8:00pm

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Maybe he was always thought of as Lindir by the writers. [In reply to] Can't Post

He would be an established face in Rivendell and one important enough to attend the Council of Elrond and escort Elrond's daughter to the Grey Havens.

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Apr 5 2011, 8:03pm

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They do! Legolas proved that.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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duats
Grey Havens

Apr 5 2011, 8:05pm

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I mean come on [In reply to] Can't Post

The romantic subplot between Faramir and Eowyn was cut down to a bare minimum in the trilogy. It was even removed altogether from the theatrical edition (save for the sweet look they give each other at the coronation). And that relationship was actually canon! But it was ultimately cut because it was not necessary to telling/progressing the story.

But I am to believe that a made-up romantic subplot between two made-up elf characters is necessary to tell the story of The Hobbit? These films simply cannot work without this?

I don't buy that for a second.


(This post was edited by duats on Apr 5 2011, 8:07pm)


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Apr 5 2011, 8:07pm

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Fran likes romance.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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duats
Grey Havens

Apr 5 2011, 8:10pm

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With all due respect to Mrs. Walsh [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't really care if she does.

It's not necessary to telling this story. There is such a thing as over-indulgence. And shoehorning a romance subplot into a film that doesn't need it just reeks of that.

But then again, she's a producer/screenwriter/assistant director, so I guess I'm fighting a lost cause. But I'm not going to roll over and accept it.


(This post was edited by duats on Apr 5 2011, 8:13pm)


Symbelmine
Rohan


Apr 5 2011, 8:10pm

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I don't buy it too. [In reply to] Can't Post

This subplot isn't necessary to tell the story of The Hobbit because we know The Hobbit works perfect without it. I may sound sarcastic or something but such subplot is meant to bring Twilightesque crowd to pay attention to the movie.

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