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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Apr 5 2011, 2:31pm

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But there's no sense to have one scene of a love story [In reply to] Can't Post

that in its full lenght takes place in another movie series.


Gwytha
Rohan


Apr 5 2011, 2:37pm

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Maybe he's the one who says [In reply to] Can't Post

"Well, well. Just look! Bilbo the hobbit on a pony, my dear! Isn't it delicious!" Tongue

We are plain quiet folk and have no use for adventures. Nasty disturbing uncomfortable things! Make you late for dinner!


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Apr 5 2011, 2:39pm

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I would imagine [In reply to] Can't Post

they're both part of the "Necromancer" plot...Rivendell is aiding Gandalf in his efforts in Mirkwood, and these "Lindir" and "Itaril" characters are some of our actiony/mushy leads in the B-plot...or not! Or possibly?!

I'm going to look like such a boob come December 2012 with my inane predictions! TongueCool

I would rather be watching Peter Jackson's "The Hobbit" and Ridley Scott's "Prometheus"...it's going to be a long few years.


RosieLass
Valinor


Apr 5 2011, 2:45pm

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It won't if he leaves Aragorn out. [In reply to] Can't Post

Which is the choice I hope he makes.

This is supposed to be The Hobbit. Not Lord of the Rings IV. Or -I. Or whatever.



It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Apr 5 2011, 2:52pm

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We already have "Lord of the Rings IV" [In reply to] Can't Post

except they called it "King Kong"! They even recreated Gandalf's confrontation with the Balrog on the bridge and everything, (except it was "Mr. Hayes" and a giant gorilla)! Tongue

I would rather be watching Peter Jackson's "The Hobbit" and Ridley Scott's "Prometheus"...it's going to be a long few years.


Symbelmine
Rohan


Apr 5 2011, 2:55pm

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Lindir is probably musician or singer [In reply to] Can't Post

Lindir means "singer".
As Faenoriel said: "Rivendell and Mirkwood have a cultural exchange project which includes Lindir, a musician, performing for a time in Thranduil's halls".

The only life Itaril was supposed to live was the life of a guard and warrior until she meets and secretly fall in love...
She meets a musician and singer. Before she met him she knew the life of a warrior only but now a new world opens to her. The world of music and beauty...

That's a big speculation but you never knowWink


dave_lf
Gondor

Apr 5 2011, 3:00pm

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Not insane [In reply to] Can't Post

Not insane at all. In fact, I think that is by far the most likely explanation (and the one I believe too Wink).


macfalk
Valinor


Apr 5 2011, 3:01pm

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Mess with timelines? What timelines? [In reply to] Can't Post

Yes, most people think that the long gap from Bilbo departing The Shire from Frodo leaving is very short in the movie. However, this is left untold, we don't know how much time that has passed, maybe 17 years did pass (I know the actor's hasnt aged, but still. The actors didn't age in The Shawshank Redemption either despite 30 years + in the prison, and people still regard that movie as the greatest of all time.) The thing is that PJ didn't make an alternate timeline in the movie so it's not messed with.



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Apr 5 2011, 3:10pm

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I really do not think that these characters will be part of Dol Guldur. [In reply to] Can't Post

They may remain in their respective homes (Rivendell & the Woodland Realm) and never meet or they might have met by chance but I doubt that also. I think that the Warrior Wench has one purpose plot-wise. She helps Bilbo spring the Dwarves from their cells in Thrandilville and get them to their barrels. I think the "pining for the Elf Lord thing" might not even be played out, or if it is it will possibly be Legolas who does not return the affection (AKA Aragorn/Eowen). It would be cool if they both end up in the Battle of Five armies where Itaril dies saving Legolis' life by performing some superhuman Elf stunt. Now that would keep the boards rattling for months if not years. Poor Itaril confessing her undying love with her dying breath.

Not sayin' I want it but I can see it happening given what was in Peters version of Lord of the Rings.

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Apr 5 2011, 3:16pm

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Only by the Extended Edition and Peter could and should ignore that. [In reply to] Can't Post

If Estel is not ten you will not see him. Who would play a twenty year old Aragorn and why would they do that.

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entmaiden
Forum Admin / Moderator


Apr 5 2011, 3:17pm

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The HBO series [In reply to] Can't Post

came after the movies, but Bret was working with Jemaine before the movies. He was also a member of the band Black Seeds. FIGWIT was the impetus for Bret getting noticed, but it was his and Jemaine's talent that made them successful as Flight of the Conchords.


Symbelmine
Rohan


Apr 5 2011, 3:17pm

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Her love will be requited [In reply to] Can't Post

whoever the object of her affection will be. We have one unrequited love in LOTR and I don't expect PJ will come out with something similar in TH. Another "I can't give you what you seek" scenario is unlikely IMO.
They probably want to add some romance including "woo woo looks" and kissing scenes not just a secret admiration.

(This post was edited by Symbelmine on Apr 5 2011, 3:23pm)


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Apr 5 2011, 3:31pm

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Well, [In reply to] Can't Post

assuming the casting call was accurate, here's what we may or may not know thus far:

[ITARIL] FEMALE, A WOODLAND ELF, this character is one the Silvan Elves. The Silvan Elves are seen as more earthy and practical. Shorter than other elves, she is still quick and lithe and physically adept, being able to fight with both sword and bow. Showing promise as a fighter at a young age, ITARIL was chosen to train to become part of the Woodland King’s Guard. This is the only life she has ever expected to live, until she meets and secretly falls in love with a young ELF LORD. This role will require a wig and contact lenses to be worn. Some prosthetic make-up may also be required. LEAD. AGE: 17-27.

[ELF WARRIOR] An ELF-LORD of RIVENDELL. Tall and good-looking, he is very athletic and comes from a noble family. Wry and dry, with a sharp sense of humour, when forced into battle however, he is deadly with both sword and bow. Like all his race, he is a master horseman. This role will require a wig and contact lenses to be worn. Some prosthetic make-up may be required. LEAD. AGE: 20-30.


So there we are. Both sound "actiony", but of course, much may have changed since January 2010...if these were accurate to begin with! Tongue

Dave_If, thanks and glad to hear it! "Necromancer storyline predictors" unite!! Smile

I would rather be watching Peter Jackson's "The Hobbit" and Ridley Scott's "Prometheus"...it's going to be a long few years.

(This post was edited by Captain Salt on Apr 5 2011, 3:32pm)


Ruijor
Rohan


Apr 5 2011, 5:04pm

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The 20 something Aragorn wouldn´t be a problem really [In reply to] Can't Post

After I saw them de-age Brad Pitt and Jeff Bridges I believe they could do the same with Viggo, specially for a short scene.

The real question is: is it worth it? I mean, we can always expeculate that he is roaming around through Middle Earth by that time

Now if it was just a 10 year old boy it would be nice to see for instance a short scene between him and Elrond.


deej
Tol Eressea


Apr 5 2011, 5:20pm

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It's Business Time in Middle-earth. [In reply to] Can't Post

Hurrah! Tongue


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Apr 5 2011, 5:24pm

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It would be a problem and I am not talking about technical issues. [In reply to] Can't Post

The bridge film is dead. The Hobbit does not need Aragorn.

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Oiotári
Tol Eressea


Apr 5 2011, 5:27pm

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If you can mess up a time line [In reply to] Can't Post

to get yourself into a sticky situation, you can mess with it more to get yourself out


..The land of long-forgotten name:
......no man may ever anchor near;
..No steering star his hope may aim,
......for nether Night its marches drear,
..And waters wide no sail may tame,
......with shores encircled dark and sheer.

..O! Haven where my heart would be!
......the waves beat upon thy bar
..For ever echo endlessly,
......when longing leads thy thought afar


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Apr 5 2011, 5:28pm

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Gondor has no king (yet), Gondor needs no king (yet). // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Oiotári
Tol Eressea


Apr 5 2011, 5:30pm

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That'd be appropriate [In reply to] Can't Post

the minstrel role, not the love interest Tongue

Oh, dear, let the rumors begin indeed...


..The land of long-forgotten name:
......no man may ever anchor near;
..No steering star his hope may aim,
......for nether Night its marches drear,
..And waters wide no sail may tame,
......with shores encircled dark and sheer.

..O! Haven where my heart would be!
......the waves beat upon thy bar
..For ever echo endlessly,
......when longing leads thy thought afar


Symbelmine
Rohan


Apr 5 2011, 5:36pm

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Why not a love interest? [In reply to] Can't Post

Itaril is a warrior. Lindir is a singer. Opposite attracts.


Patty
Immortal


Apr 5 2011, 5:37pm

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Noooooo! Not the dreaded Tra-la-lally! [In reply to] Can't Post

Crazy

I'm happy for the Figwit character to be in here. But not that!

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L. Ron Halfelven
Grey Havens


Apr 5 2011, 5:43pm

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Radagast the Brown just took a bus out of town./ [In reply to] Can't Post

 



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Flagg
Tol Eressea


Apr 5 2011, 5:51pm

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I agree [In reply to] Can't Post

I too would like them to gloss over that one line in the Two Towers extended edition, if the alternative is Viggo playing a twenty-something Aragorn in The Hobbit. Showing us the ten-year-old Estel in Rivendell without mentioning his true identity would be a ingenious and subtle link between the two sub-series. They shouldn't pass up this opportunity for the sake of consistency with odd throwaway comments that were deleted from the theatrical release anyway.


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Apr 5 2011, 5:58pm

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I am very mildly disappointed by the Lindir idea [In reply to] Can't Post

I think it's great that they're bringing Figwit back and turning him into an actual Tolkien character; this is undoubtedly one of those 'lines of meaning' that The Hobbit will send radiating into the trilogy. However, I can't help but feel that this is a slight missed opportunity... why are they going for such an obscure and under-developed character? DrDeath and I very recently discussed the possibility that the upcoming films might retcon Figwit into a more notable Tolkien Elf such as Erestor – Lindir is a bit out of left field. Does anyone really care about him...? Nonethless this is a satisfying development overall.


Plurmo
Rohan

Apr 5 2011, 6:05pm

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Yes! I dream of this scene where [In reply to] Can't Post

Elrond is strolling through Rivendell screaming one of his "Men are weak!" rants when he finds boy Aragorn quietly reading a book by the statue of the shards of Narsil (the place where he was reading a book when he saw Boromir) and when Elrond would give him an evil stare he would slowly cover behind his book (the title of it being "Did the Elves help Sauron in the making of the One Ring?")

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