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Bret Mackenzie confirmed

Eldaria
Rivendell


Apr 5 2011, 4:26am

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Bret Mackenzie confirmed Can't Post

as Lindir

http://www.stuff.co.nz/...irmed-for-The-Hobbit

Link to Variety article from Home Page also added: http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118034972

“There are some things that time cannot mend. Some hurts that go too deep ... that have taken hold.”

(This post was edited by Altaira on Apr 5 2011, 1:09pm)


duats
Grey Havens

Apr 5 2011, 4:29am

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Uh... [In reply to] Can't Post

Who?

(The character, not the actor.)


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firebride42
The Shire


Apr 5 2011, 4:32am

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Hmm.. [In reply to] Can't Post

"A spokeswoman for The Hobbit said she could not immediately confirm Variety's report."

Of course. I wonder where the info comes from. Would be pretty cool if it's really official Laugh


Ataahua
Superuser / Moderator


Apr 5 2011, 5:37am

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Lindir [In reply to] Can't Post

is an elf in Rivendell. I doubt he'd actually be named in the movie though - just as Brett's character wasn't named in ROTK.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Patty
Immortal


Apr 5 2011, 5:46am

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"He seems to have been a musician"... [In reply to] Can't Post

or minstrel. Singer.


How appropriate. This is way cool.

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Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Apr 5 2011, 6:06am

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Interesting... [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't know what to make of this quite yet, even if he is a canon character...will it be minor? Will he appear in Rivendell? Is he the "elf lord" from the casting call?...

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Eowyn of Penns Woods
Valinor


Apr 5 2011, 7:03am

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Oh, Eru, not the---- [In reply to] Can't Post

FIGWITARIL! Kill me now. I can't face years of having to see that in print.

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macfalk
Valinor


Apr 5 2011, 7:28am

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No, no, no! [In reply to] Can't Post

Nothing against the character "Lindir" or this actor BUT, this has red flags all over the place. First, he wasn't in the book, which leads me to the conclusion that he is the "ELF LORD from Rivendell who falls in love with ITARIL" from that list.

Look, the paper even adressed him as an Elf Lord in Rivendell. Red flags!



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RosieLass
Valinor


Apr 5 2011, 8:00am

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There is a Lindir. [In reply to] Can't Post

But in LOTR, not the Hobbit.

He's the one chaffing with Bilbo about his song in the Hall of Fire, claiming that he couldn't tell which parts Bilbo wrote, and which parts Aragorn wrote.



It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)


RaoulJ
Rivendell


Apr 5 2011, 9:45am

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Another 'source' [In reply to] Can't Post

reports it too (but nothing with a reliable source, like WB or Brett himself)

http://thefilmstage.com/...8-frames-per-second/

It also speaks about the framerate of the movie. 48fps.. Don't know if that is true, it links to another post of if.com where it is said that Andrew Lesnie said it himself. Maybe this is news for another thread?


dernwyn
Forum Admin / Moderator


Apr 5 2011, 10:23am

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ROFL! [In reply to] Can't Post

Oh, that is good! Let the Rumors Begin! Laugh

Actually, considering who he is, he'll probably be the one they stick up in a tree with an Elvish guitar, singing some sort of Tra-la-la-lally song...


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DrDeath153
Lorien

Apr 5 2011, 11:37am

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Go for it [In reply to] Can't Post

Fair cop, good elf, lets have him. I'm kind of hoping we're not going to have a kind of nudge-nudge wink-wink 'look who we made famous' musical cameo but i wouldn't mind an expansion of his role at all and if he does try out his pipes on set then it won't be the end of the world, just not tra-la-lally thank you very much (actually maybe Howard Shore could come up with a sombre but accurate Sindarin translation of the song).

Dr Death


Eärendil The Mariner
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Apr 5 2011, 11:57am

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Great place to put him in [In reply to] Can't Post

If Jackson can find a way for McKenzie to perform in the film, he will.


Ruijor
Rohan


Apr 5 2011, 12:01pm

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What I make of this news is [In reply to] Can't Post

Rvendell will definately appear in the The Hobbit. And if so I wonder if we will get to see a glimpse of the young Aragorn...


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Apr 5 2011, 12:20pm

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Mac, I would not think that you would get that reversed. [In reply to] Can't Post

Remember it is Itaril that harbors the secret passion for the Elf Lord; not the other way around. My big question is: How do the two meet?

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Kangi Ska
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Apr 5 2011, 12:30pm

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Estel as a ten year old would be acceptable.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Ruijor
Rohan


Apr 5 2011, 1:19pm

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The problem is that he´s twenty by LOTR timeframe [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Apr 5 2011, 1:20pm

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I like this one [In reply to] Can't Post

As they're going to fill the backrounds and (hopefully) small events with actual charactes - unlike the books which could just mention there's some faceless people around - it's nice they're utilizing canon characters.

Also, it's nice that they will put Lindir into focus. I've been curious about the way fanfic writers and fanartists seem to all but forget his existence, while for example Erestor has not only fanbase but also fanon personality. God knows where it comes from. Or the idea that the Rivendell twins are mischievous brats acting like preteenagers...

Which remainds me, are they going to use Elladan & Elrohir? It'd be sweet if they did. If only as joining the midsummer party.


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Apr 5 2011, 1:24pm

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My secong thought as well... [In reply to] Can't Post

But it can't be as bad as Legomance? Can it? CAN IT?? Sly


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Apr 5 2011, 1:32pm

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Rivendell and Mirkwood have a cultural exchange project [In reply to] Can't Post

which includes Lindir, a musican, performing for a time in Thranduil's halls.

I can already feel the "The akward tomboy falls for the kind, effeminate cultured guy" vibes. Tongue


(This post was edited by Faenoriel on Apr 5 2011, 1:32pm)


Symbelmine
Rohan


Apr 5 2011, 1:38pm

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YES!!! [In reply to] Can't Post

Make him love interest for Itaril and leave Legolas alone and I will be happiest girl in the world. Ummm maybe not in the world but at least in our streetLaugh


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Apr 5 2011, 1:43pm

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Exactly [In reply to] Can't Post

I knew messing with the time lines would come back to bite PJ's ass one day...


chrismortega
Bree


Apr 5 2011, 1:45pm

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Which came first for Brett... [In reply to] Can't Post

Popularity via FIGWIT, or popularity via Flight of the Conchords? I'm not sure where I saw him first.

Either way I love it. I was wondering if he would be included in the Hobbit. I imagine he'd be a fun guy to have around the set.

P.S. I think it was Brarbra http://www.google.com/...VFB3t_MA&cad=rja

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DrDeath153
Lorien

Apr 5 2011, 2:03pm

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Or give us a scene which is integral to the Aragorn/Arwen love story.... [In reply to] Can't Post

...And by extension integral to Tolkien's own love story.

I may be in a (i've got to say rather surprising) minority but frankly i'll be gutted if they don't show it or at least don't film it (extended edition/anniversary cut is fine by me).

Dr Death


Symbelmine
Rohan


Apr 5 2011, 2:13pm

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That's my question too. [In reply to] Can't Post

I discussed it some time ago with one Tolkien fan and he had some interesting ideas.

(This post was edited by Symbelmine on Apr 5 2011, 2:14pm)


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Apr 5 2011, 2:31pm

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But there's no sense to have one scene of a love story [In reply to] Can't Post

that in its full lenght takes place in another movie series.


Gwytha
Rohan


Apr 5 2011, 2:37pm

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Maybe he's the one who says [In reply to] Can't Post

"Well, well. Just look! Bilbo the hobbit on a pony, my dear! Isn't it delicious!" Tongue

We are plain quiet folk and have no use for adventures. Nasty disturbing uncomfortable things! Make you late for dinner!


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Apr 5 2011, 2:39pm

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I would imagine [In reply to] Can't Post

they're both part of the "Necromancer" plot...Rivendell is aiding Gandalf in his efforts in Mirkwood, and these "Lindir" and "Itaril" characters are some of our actiony/mushy leads in the B-plot...or not! Or possibly?!

I'm going to look like such a boob come December 2012 with my inane predictions! TongueCool

I would rather be watching Peter Jackson's "The Hobbit" and Ridley Scott's "Prometheus"...it's going to be a long few years.


RosieLass
Valinor


Apr 5 2011, 2:45pm

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It won't if he leaves Aragorn out. [In reply to] Can't Post

Which is the choice I hope he makes.

This is supposed to be The Hobbit. Not Lord of the Rings IV. Or -I. Or whatever.



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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Apr 5 2011, 2:52pm

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We already have "Lord of the Rings IV" [In reply to] Can't Post

except they called it "King Kong"! They even recreated Gandalf's confrontation with the Balrog on the bridge and everything, (except it was "Mr. Hayes" and a giant gorilla)! Tongue

I would rather be watching Peter Jackson's "The Hobbit" and Ridley Scott's "Prometheus"...it's going to be a long few years.


Symbelmine
Rohan


Apr 5 2011, 2:55pm

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Lindir is probably musician or singer [In reply to] Can't Post

Lindir means "singer".
As Faenoriel said: "Rivendell and Mirkwood have a cultural exchange project which includes Lindir, a musician, performing for a time in Thranduil's halls".

The only life Itaril was supposed to live was the life of a guard and warrior until she meets and secretly fall in love...
She meets a musician and singer. Before she met him she knew the life of a warrior only but now a new world opens to her. The world of music and beauty...

That's a big speculation but you never knowWink


dave_lf
Gondor

Apr 5 2011, 3:00pm

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Not insane [In reply to] Can't Post

Not insane at all. In fact, I think that is by far the most likely explanation (and the one I believe too Wink).


macfalk
Valinor


Apr 5 2011, 3:01pm

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Mess with timelines? What timelines? [In reply to] Can't Post

Yes, most people think that the long gap from Bilbo departing The Shire from Frodo leaving is very short in the movie. However, this is left untold, we don't know how much time that has passed, maybe 17 years did pass (I know the actor's hasnt aged, but still. The actors didn't age in The Shawshank Redemption either despite 30 years + in the prison, and people still regard that movie as the greatest of all time.) The thing is that PJ didn't make an alternate timeline in the movie so it's not messed with.



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Apr 5 2011, 3:10pm

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I really do not think that these characters will be part of Dol Guldur. [In reply to] Can't Post

They may remain in their respective homes (Rivendell & the Woodland Realm) and never meet or they might have met by chance but I doubt that also. I think that the Warrior Wench has one purpose plot-wise. She helps Bilbo spring the Dwarves from their cells in Thrandilville and get them to their barrels. I think the "pining for the Elf Lord thing" might not even be played out, or if it is it will possibly be Legolas who does not return the affection (AKA Aragorn/Eowen). It would be cool if they both end up in the Battle of Five armies where Itaril dies saving Legolis' life by performing some superhuman Elf stunt. Now that would keep the boards rattling for months if not years. Poor Itaril confessing her undying love with her dying breath.

Not sayin' I want it but I can see it happening given what was in Peters version of Lord of the Rings.

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Kangi Ska
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Apr 5 2011, 3:16pm

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Only by the Extended Edition and Peter could and should ignore that. [In reply to] Can't Post

If Estel is not ten you will not see him. Who would play a twenty year old Aragorn and why would they do that.

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entmaiden
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Apr 5 2011, 3:17pm

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The HBO series [In reply to] Can't Post

came after the movies, but Bret was working with Jemaine before the movies. He was also a member of the band Black Seeds. FIGWIT was the impetus for Bret getting noticed, but it was his and Jemaine's talent that made them successful as Flight of the Conchords.


Symbelmine
Rohan


Apr 5 2011, 3:17pm

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Her love will be requited [In reply to] Can't Post

whoever the object of her affection will be. We have one unrequited love in LOTR and I don't expect PJ will come out with something similar in TH. Another "I can't give you what you seek" scenario is unlikely IMO.
They probably want to add some romance including "woo woo looks" and kissing scenes not just a secret admiration.

(This post was edited by Symbelmine on Apr 5 2011, 3:23pm)


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Apr 5 2011, 3:31pm

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Well, [In reply to] Can't Post

assuming the casting call was accurate, here's what we may or may not know thus far:

[ITARIL] FEMALE, A WOODLAND ELF, this character is one the Silvan Elves. The Silvan Elves are seen as more earthy and practical. Shorter than other elves, she is still quick and lithe and physically adept, being able to fight with both sword and bow. Showing promise as a fighter at a young age, ITARIL was chosen to train to become part of the Woodland King’s Guard. This is the only life she has ever expected to live, until she meets and secretly falls in love with a young ELF LORD. This role will require a wig and contact lenses to be worn. Some prosthetic make-up may also be required. LEAD. AGE: 17-27.

[ELF WARRIOR] An ELF-LORD of RIVENDELL. Tall and good-looking, he is very athletic and comes from a noble family. Wry and dry, with a sharp sense of humour, when forced into battle however, he is deadly with both sword and bow. Like all his race, he is a master horseman. This role will require a wig and contact lenses to be worn. Some prosthetic make-up may be required. LEAD. AGE: 20-30.


So there we are. Both sound "actiony", but of course, much may have changed since January 2010...if these were accurate to begin with! Tongue

Dave_If, thanks and glad to hear it! "Necromancer storyline predictors" unite!! Smile

I would rather be watching Peter Jackson's "The Hobbit" and Ridley Scott's "Prometheus"...it's going to be a long few years.

(This post was edited by Captain Salt on Apr 5 2011, 3:32pm)


Ruijor
Rohan


Apr 5 2011, 5:04pm

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The 20 something Aragorn wouldn´t be a problem really [In reply to] Can't Post

After I saw them de-age Brad Pitt and Jeff Bridges I believe they could do the same with Viggo, specially for a short scene.

The real question is: is it worth it? I mean, we can always expeculate that he is roaming around through Middle Earth by that time

Now if it was just a 10 year old boy it would be nice to see for instance a short scene between him and Elrond.


deej
Tol Eressea


Apr 5 2011, 5:20pm

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It's Business Time in Middle-earth. [In reply to] Can't Post

Hurrah! Tongue


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Apr 5 2011, 5:24pm

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It would be a problem and I am not talking about technical issues. [In reply to] Can't Post

The bridge film is dead. The Hobbit does not need Aragorn.

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Oiotári
Tol Eressea


Apr 5 2011, 5:27pm

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If you can mess up a time line [In reply to] Can't Post

to get yourself into a sticky situation, you can mess with it more to get yourself out


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......no man may ever anchor near;
..No steering star his hope may aim,
......for nether Night its marches drear,
..And waters wide no sail may tame,
......with shores encircled dark and sheer.

..O! Haven where my heart would be!
......the waves beat upon thy bar
..For ever echo endlessly,
......when longing leads thy thought afar


SirDennisC
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Apr 5 2011, 5:28pm

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Gondor has no king (yet), Gondor needs no king (yet). // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Oiotári
Tol Eressea


Apr 5 2011, 5:30pm

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That'd be appropriate [In reply to] Can't Post

the minstrel role, not the love interest Tongue

Oh, dear, let the rumors begin indeed...


..The land of long-forgotten name:
......no man may ever anchor near;
..No steering star his hope may aim,
......for nether Night its marches drear,
..And waters wide no sail may tame,
......with shores encircled dark and sheer.

..O! Haven where my heart would be!
......the waves beat upon thy bar
..For ever echo endlessly,
......when longing leads thy thought afar


Symbelmine
Rohan


Apr 5 2011, 5:36pm

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Why not a love interest? [In reply to] Can't Post

Itaril is a warrior. Lindir is a singer. Opposite attracts.


Patty
Immortal


Apr 5 2011, 5:37pm

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Noooooo! Not the dreaded Tra-la-lally! [In reply to] Can't Post

Crazy

I'm happy for the Figwit character to be in here. But not that!

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L. Ron Halfelven
Grey Havens


Apr 5 2011, 5:43pm

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Radagast the Brown just took a bus out of town./ [In reply to] Can't Post

 



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Flagg
Tol Eressea


Apr 5 2011, 5:51pm

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I agree [In reply to] Can't Post

I too would like them to gloss over that one line in the Two Towers extended edition, if the alternative is Viggo playing a twenty-something Aragorn in The Hobbit. Showing us the ten-year-old Estel in Rivendell without mentioning his true identity would be a ingenious and subtle link between the two sub-series. They shouldn't pass up this opportunity for the sake of consistency with odd throwaway comments that were deleted from the theatrical release anyway.


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Apr 5 2011, 5:58pm

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I am very mildly disappointed by the Lindir idea [In reply to] Can't Post

I think it's great that they're bringing Figwit back and turning him into an actual Tolkien character; this is undoubtedly one of those 'lines of meaning' that The Hobbit will send radiating into the trilogy. However, I can't help but feel that this is a slight missed opportunity... why are they going for such an obscure and under-developed character? DrDeath and I very recently discussed the possibility that the upcoming films might retcon Figwit into a more notable Tolkien Elf such as Erestor – Lindir is a bit out of left field. Does anyone really care about him...? Nonethless this is a satisfying development overall.


Plurmo
Rohan

Apr 5 2011, 6:05pm

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Yes! I dream of this scene where [In reply to] Can't Post

Elrond is strolling through Rivendell screaming one of his "Men are weak!" rants when he finds boy Aragorn quietly reading a book by the statue of the shards of Narsil (the place where he was reading a book when he saw Boromir) and when Elrond would give him an evil stare he would slowly cover behind his book (the title of it being "Did the Elves help Sauron in the making of the One Ring?")


Ruijor
Rohan


Apr 5 2011, 6:07pm

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Is it really dead? Hmm... [In reply to] Can't Post

What is Frodo doing in The Hobbit? Bridging.


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Apr 5 2011, 6:20pm

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But the bridgecraft is now spread between two films rather than focused in one. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


painjoiker
Grey Havens

Apr 5 2011, 6:23pm

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Some of the bridge-material did survive, [In reply to] Can't Post

to be included in the hobbit-films
And they are in general just linking things to LotR with every chance they get :)
So the bridging IDEA is not dead, but the bridge-FILM is dead :o


Owain
Tol Eressea


Apr 5 2011, 6:46pm

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I think if there is any Elf Lord lovin' [In reply to] Can't Post

It will probably be Legolas and Itaril...

We shall see.

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Symbelmine
Rohan


Apr 5 2011, 6:57pm

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Thanks. I feel really "great" now. [In reply to] Can't Post

If PJ is going to do such unforgivable nonsense then I hope he will get thousands of hate mails and fans will throw rotten tomatoes on him.

(This post was edited by Symbelmine on Apr 5 2011, 6:58pm)


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Apr 5 2011, 7:04pm

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May yet happen even without [In reply to] Can't Post

the (unlikely IMHO) pairing of Legolas and Itaril.


jrpipik
Rivendell


Apr 5 2011, 7:05pm

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An elven woman warrior seems out of place... [In reply to] Can't Post

...since we didn't see any woman among the elven warriors in the Battle of Dagorlad or the Battle of Helm's Deep. If PJ envisioned an equal opportunity army, he probably should have included some. Perhaps the women are not overt warriors so much as rangers, similar to Arwen in the first part of the FOTR movie.


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Apr 5 2011, 7:09pm

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Unlikely [In reply to] Can't Post

unless they have 'magic' bows that require no draw strength.

JUST KIDDING!!!!!!


jrpipik
Rivendell


Apr 5 2011, 7:14pm

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Them elven warrior womens... [In reply to] Can't Post

...got lotsa draw strength!


Otaku-sempai
Immortal

Apr 5 2011, 7:23pm

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Merry, Pippin and Sam are the confirmation... [In reply to] Can't Post


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Yes, most people think that the long gap from Bilbo departing The Shire from Frodo leaving is very short in the movie. However, this is left untold, we don't know how much time that has passed, maybe 17 years did pass (I know the actor's hasnt aged, but still. The actors didn't age in The Shawshank Redemption either despite 30 years + in the prison, and people still regard that movie as the greatest of all time.) The thing is that PJ didn't make an alternate timeline in the movie so it's not messed with.


Even disregarding that the short span between Bilbo's leaving and Frodo's departure is confirmed in the commentaries of the extended edition of FotR, you are forgetting that Sam, Merry and Pippin should have all been just children at the time of Bilbo's Farewell Party. That they are already shown to be grown adults indicates that far less than seventeen years pass before Frodo leaves the Shire. This puts Aragorn in his mid-twenties at the time of The Hobbit.


Oiotári
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Apr 5 2011, 7:28pm

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Just a hope [In reply to] Can't Post

It's definitely possible Lindir will play the role of a love interest, but I hope not. Also, it seems far more plausible (I hope) that he'd just be a minstrel than a love interest. Though I suppose it's also possible that he could be both.


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Symbelmine
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Apr 5 2011, 7:35pm

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To be honest [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't like the idea of any romance in this movie at all. There is not any in the book so why to add some into the movie? Stick to the canon.


SirDennisC
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Apr 5 2011, 7:45pm

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If I may [In reply to] Can't Post

(I feel like I said this before Wink)

It would be far more acceptable for them to make up a story line between two unknown (or made up) characters than it would be to tag on additional material to a character we know a great deal about already. Legolas is relatively fully realized between LOTR and the appendices, neither of which even hint at a love interest from around the time of TH (if ever). I like to think of him as a warrior monk and pray they keep him that way.

This Lindir character seems the more likely choice for a romantic thread.


Owain
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Apr 5 2011, 7:48pm

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I hope he doesn't get any hate mail... [In reply to] Can't Post

regardless of what he does or does not do.

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Apr 5 2011, 7:48pm

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Peter can chose to ignore Aragorn's stated age in the Two Towers EE or not. [In reply to] Can't Post

Only a bunch of geeks and nerds would worry about such a thing. I think the Hobbit should remain true to its own timeline and that would make Estel 10 or 11 when and if he appears.

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duats
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Apr 5 2011, 7:51pm

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Meh [In reply to] Can't Post

All this talk of a romantic angle depresses me. I cannot think of anything more unnecessary for these films.


Maiarmike
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Apr 5 2011, 7:52pm

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Definitely. [In reply to] Can't Post

They can go back to the book timeline no problem for the benefit of the Hobbit films, since the timeline is really only changed in the extended versions of the movies, many people wouldn't even remember, or care.

As far as Bret is concerned, I expect him to do a little song possibly, or something along those lines, it would be pretty cool. This does make me more hopeful that we're going to see more of Rivendell and its residents besides Elrond.

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Apr 5 2011, 7:56pm

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You working on a rap song? // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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SirDennisC
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Apr 5 2011, 7:57pm

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As much as it makes sense from a film making a/o commercial perspective, and as much as we know Jackson is very good at portraying the more subtle side of romance -- and portraying even that subtly -- it is beginning to sink in that it is completely unnecessary.


Kangi Ska
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Apr 5 2011, 8:00pm

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Maybe he was always thought of as Lindir by the writers. [In reply to] Can't Post

He would be an established face in Rivendell and one important enough to attend the Council of Elrond and escort Elrond's daughter to the Grey Havens.

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Apr 5 2011, 8:03pm

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They do! Legolas proved that.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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duats
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Apr 5 2011, 8:05pm

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I mean come on [In reply to] Can't Post

The romantic subplot between Faramir and Eowyn was cut down to a bare minimum in the trilogy. It was even removed altogether from the theatrical edition (save for the sweet look they give each other at the coronation). And that relationship was actually canon! But it was ultimately cut because it was not necessary to telling/progressing the story.

But I am to believe that a made-up romantic subplot between two made-up elf characters is necessary to tell the story of The Hobbit? These films simply cannot work without this?

I don't buy that for a second.


(This post was edited by duats on Apr 5 2011, 8:07pm)


Kangi Ska
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Apr 5 2011, 8:07pm

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Fran likes romance.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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duats
Grey Havens

Apr 5 2011, 8:10pm

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With all due respect to Mrs. Walsh [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't really care if she does.

It's not necessary to telling this story. There is such a thing as over-indulgence. And shoehorning a romance subplot into a film that doesn't need it just reeks of that.

But then again, she's a producer/screenwriter/assistant director, so I guess I'm fighting a lost cause. But I'm not going to roll over and accept it.


(This post was edited by duats on Apr 5 2011, 8:13pm)


Symbelmine
Rohan


Apr 5 2011, 8:10pm

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I don't buy it too. [In reply to] Can't Post

This subplot isn't necessary to tell the story of The Hobbit because we know The Hobbit works perfect without it. I may sound sarcastic or something but such subplot is meant to bring Twilightesque crowd to pay attention to the movie.


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Apr 5 2011, 8:13pm

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You sir are horrible! [In reply to] Can't Post

I mean, well played.


Otaku-sempai
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Apr 5 2011, 8:14pm

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Jackson could ignore his own change, but... [In reply to] Can't Post

If a filmmaker is going to make an alteration in an adaptation, I would hope that he would at least have the decency to remain internally consistant. Another poster stated that the change is only apparent in the extended edition of FotR. However, that is not true. It is apparent to anyone who is familiar enough with Tolkien to know that Frodo's companions were not yet grown at the time of Bilbo's eleventy-first birthday. Granted, that is not the average filmgoer, but that is beside the point.


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Apr 5 2011, 8:23pm

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Oh come on. Roll over just once to show us you can do it. [In reply to] Can't Post

I do not think that a young woman's secret crush on a person way above her station in life constitutes romance except in the classic literary sense.

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Maiarmike
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Apr 5 2011, 8:35pm

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Or... [In reply to] Can't Post

...it reeks of studio executives telling the filmmakers, write in a romantic sub-plot into this sausage-fest of a story to attract a larger audience, or no film for you! But then again, that's probably a lesser probability than Fran just wanting to write something in. Wink

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Apr 5 2011, 8:52pm

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Sausage-fest. Classic [In reply to] Can't Post

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Starting to think it takes very little to amuse me.


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Apr 5 2011, 9:46pm

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whats a sausage fest? // [In reply to] Can't Post

 



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Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Apr 5 2011, 9:57pm

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Just means... [In reply to] Can't Post

...nothing but dudes around, just a silly way of saying there are no women around.

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Owain
Tol Eressea


Apr 5 2011, 9:58pm

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Think about it.// [In reply to] Can't Post

Wink

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SirDennisC
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Apr 5 2011, 10:17pm

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Owain
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Apr 5 2011, 10:20pm

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SirDennisC
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Apr 5 2011, 10:54pm

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Adding Bret McKenzie to the cast [In reply to] Can't Post

would increase the number of male roles. This thread is about him, no? Blush


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Oiotári
Tol Eressea


Apr 5 2011, 11:50pm

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Oh yes [In reply to] Can't Post

far more acceptable to have Lindir as the romance character than Legolas, but nevertheless, TH doesn't need a romance sub-plot.


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......no man may ever anchor near;
..No steering star his hope may aim,
......for nether Night its marches drear,
..And waters wide no sail may tame,
......with shores encircled dark and sheer.

..O! Haven where my heart would be!
......the waves beat upon thy bar
..For ever echo endlessly,
......when longing leads thy thought afar


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Apr 5 2011, 11:52pm

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No I certainly hope you are wrong about this. [In reply to] Can't Post

It is one of a number of factors related to this that might lead me to an anuerysm. That said, if EVERYTHING else works out as it aught to. . . I am fine with Bret playing Lindir. I like Bret, I like Flight of The Concords, especially with their Simon & Garfunkel refferences, and nods to other cool artists, and I like Lindir. I always found his comment to Bilbo concerning the poem to be especially interesting and amusing. It would shock the peace from my parrish if he turns up on The White Council, but as a singing Elf in Rivendell, no problem. At least not in an otherwise perfect hobbit.

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Nothing against the character "Lindir" or this actor BUT, this has red flags all over the place. First, he wasn't in the book, which leads me to the conclusion that he is the "ELF LORD from Rivendell who falls in love with ITARIL" from that list.

Look, the paper even adressed him as an Elf Lord in Rivendell. Red flags!


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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Apr 6 2011, 1:08am

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Apparently, as with Gothmog, [In reply to] Can't Post

with Ragagast, Drogo, Lindir, and many of the Dwarves, Peter and Co. are taking names created by Tolkien and fleshing them out into fully-realized characters.

I would rather be watching Peter Jackson's "The Hobbit" and Ridley Scott's "Prometheus"...it's going to be a long few years.

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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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Apr 6 2011, 1:28am

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I totally read BM as 'bowel movement'! =)

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SirDennisC
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Apr 6 2011, 1:54am

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That would have made no sense at all [In reply to] Can't Post

in this (or any) context.Shocked

I'm not familiar with BM or Flight of the Conchords, except from a recent Simpsons episode. Which one is Bret? (Ironically this clip may address why I just don't see what all the fuss is about.)


Eowyn of Penns Woods
Valinor


Apr 6 2011, 2:29am

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I say it would have made sense [In reply to] Can't Post

but to explain it to you would only send this thread even further down the toilet, and I'm not in the market for a slap from the Admins. ;)

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Owain
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Apr 6 2011, 3:12am

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When you wrote BM I thought you meant something else... [In reply to] Can't Post

got it.

Laugh

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Owain
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Apr 6 2011, 3:12am

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Apr 6 2011, 3:14am

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Why, EoPW! [In reply to] Can't Post

Your concession makes me flushed with pride!

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But you're right, let's give this subthread the plunge.

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Apr 6 2011, 3:28am

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Apr 6 2011, 3:41am

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Owain
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Apr 6 2011, 4:16am

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Apr 6 2011, 5:23am

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Apr 6 2011, 5:28am

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Apr 6 2011, 5:58am

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Apr 6 2011, 6:39am

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Apr 6 2011, 11:54am

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Answer me this: [In reply to] Can't Post

...Why does the young man look as if he's just swallowed a goldfish?

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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea

Apr 6 2011, 3:55pm

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Lindir and also Arwen? [In reply to] Can't Post

Hi everybody, this anouncement makes me feel about, if Lindir appears on The Hobbit, Arwen i feel it will be able to appear aswell, I mean that as we see in rotk Lindir seems to be a servant of "His Lady", I think it wouldnt out of place, for example if they use the same lines of Lindir that appears in lotr books, on the hobbit movie, it wouldnt be ouy of place if they use Arwen just sitting around the table alongside Elrond, and Bilbo being impressed with her beauty, that happens on the fotr book, but instead Bilbo is Frodo who is impressed with Arwen´s beauty, and maybe Aragorn with ten years wth a little joke with Bilbo, but im talking about Arwen, well have a good time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Apr 6 2011, 4:06pm

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I was the first! [In reply to] Can't Post

http://newboards.theonering.net/...latest_reply;#119393

Cool

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Apr 6 2011, 4:24pm

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SirDennisC
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Apr 6 2011, 5:19pm

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Now that you mention it [In reply to] Can't Post

the way his lips are pursed one can imagine a tiny fish tail wriggling between them. That or he's hiding vampire teeth.



Or do you mean to comment on the wisdom of re-casting a fan favourite LOTR bit part for an expanded role in TH?

Having this discussion elsewhere. With a closer shave perhaps, Bret very much looks the part of an Imladris resident.


Eowyn of Penns Woods
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Apr 6 2011, 7:28pm

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Laitholiel_the_SeaElf
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Apr 6 2011, 8:19pm

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Elves doing jazz?

Surely elvish music has to have a few nonsense sounds thrown in somewhere. Tongue




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Apr 7 2011, 1:25am

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Elves singing Elvis music? [In reply to] Can't Post

I shouldn't have written that, now I have this image of Bret as Lindir with an Elvis hairstyle and wearing rhinestones and swinging his hips while singing "You Ain't Nothin' But A Hobbit"...


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"It struck me last night that you might write a fearfully good romantic drama, with as much of the 'supernatural' as you cared to introduce. Have you ever thought of it?"
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grammaboodawg
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Apr 7 2011, 1:38am

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I know not everyone is happy about seeing familiar faces in The Hobbit... BUT I LOVE IT!!! It's going to be so much fun seeing figwit again! Oh geez, I love this!!!


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