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"Pete is adding a lot of characters in the film adaption"...
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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Mar 26 2011, 5:45pm

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Itaril came from... [In reply to] Can't Post

either PJ, Fran, Philipa, or Guillermo, (or all of them), hence why there's so much consternation over the character.

We'll see how that turns out, assuming the part is still in and it's what Sauose is actually up for...(another rumored character is Primula, Frodo's mother, who was created by Tolkien but is not in the books as a character at all.

I would rather be watching Peter Jackson's "The Hobbit" and Ridley Scott's "Prometheus"...it's going to be a long few years.


Symbelmine
Rohan


Mar 26 2011, 5:50pm

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she came from [In reply to] Can't Post

unofficial casting call on January 2010.
She isn't Tolkien's character.She is made up.


willowgreylock
Lorien


Mar 26 2011, 5:54pm

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made up characters [In reply to] Can't Post

Frown OH NO! this is what I was afraid of. Okay I can see some
characters for fill in purposes, say in Mirkwood, Laketown.
But PLEASE not a large role for ROMANTIC purposes for
goodness sake!! That's a horrible and unecessary reason.
I'm not totally excited to see this movie because I'm looking
forward to seeing a great romance, NO, it's a GREAT
ADVENTURE! we all know that, and that's all that's
expected.
I think I'll quit reading about what's going on,
I want to look 4ward to seeing the HOBBIT, without dread or dis-
appointment.


(This post was edited by willowgreylock on Mar 26 2011, 6:02pm)


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Mar 26 2011, 6:04pm

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Symbelmine, that casting call has been pretty much "rebunked" [In reply to] Can't Post

BTW, why do people want these to be EXACTLY like the books? We already have the books. These are the movies? Unsure

I would rather be watching Peter Jackson's "The Hobbit" and Ridley Scott's "Prometheus"...it's going to be a long few years.

(This post was edited by Captain Salt on Mar 26 2011, 6:05pm)


duats
Grey Havens

Mar 26 2011, 6:07pm

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Well [In reply to] Can't Post

I could ask why people don't want these to be exactly like the book.

The answer for both groups can be simplified down to this: personal preference. There is no right or wrong here, folks.


(This post was edited by duats on Mar 26 2011, 6:07pm)


Symbelmine
Rohan


Mar 26 2011, 6:09pm

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casting call [In reply to] Can't Post

I know PJ said the casting call was mostly incorrect.I don't know more details about it.


rings7
Rohan


Mar 26 2011, 6:11pm

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You have to be kidding me [In reply to] Can't Post

If she's totally made up from scratch then is a no-no. Really not necessary. Just for casting her? cause to me that would be the only reason, otherwise they would be other actresses considered. This is nonsense. But oh well.


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Mar 26 2011, 6:11pm

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Don't recall PJ saying anything about it... [In reply to] Can't Post

The story was just updated on ToRN main page saying that it "inaccurate", but evidence suggest this was simply "damage control", IE Radagast and Drogo have been cast, an actress auditioned for Primula, another is rumored for Itaril...

I wouldn't be shocked if we don't end up seeing "Alfrid", however, (at least not with that name)....

I would rather be watching Peter Jackson's "The Hobbit" and Ridley Scott's "Prometheus"...it's going to be a long few years.


duats
Grey Havens

Mar 26 2011, 6:14pm

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I'm still holding onto a shred of hope [In reply to] Can't Post

That Itaril was cut (or doesn't even exist), and Ronan is being eyed for Primula Baggins.


Patty
Immortal


Mar 26 2011, 6:41pm

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This is my hope, too. [In reply to] Can't Post

I am trying to keep in mind that sometimes a character has to be created to flesh out a people/villain (Lurtz) or a concept, like the danger to the Rohan people (Morwen and her children). These were successfully done to me, and I guess I should just trust the scriptwriters. But given the talk that this Itaril is a character who "never expected to live any other life than guard, but fell in love with an Elf Lord" sounds like more of a story line, and I really don't want that. If Ronan were to be cast as Primula I wouldn't be concerned.

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carrioncrow
Lorien

Mar 26 2011, 7:00pm

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some assumptions [In reply to] Can't Post

If she is a member of the Silvan Elf King's guard, it seems likely that any Elf Lord she "meets" is not a Silvan Elf of Mirkwood (else, she would likely have already met him)

There is alot in the casting sheet setting her up in contrast to non-Sylvan elves.

I'd say This elf maiden together with a Elf Lord of Lorien will have a opposites attract relationship story that will serve as a story device linking the paths of Gandalf/White Council as opposed to Thorin/Bilbo. I imagine the maid and/or the lord will play a role at perhaps

Rivendell during the moon letters discovery
The forest party
The interrogation of Thorin
With the jailors during barrels out of bounds
In any White Council scene
In any action against Dol Guldur
Battle of 5 armies

I do not believe their romance will end happily.


Owain
Tol Eressea


Mar 26 2011, 7:17pm

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There's definitely the potential for that to happen... [In reply to] Can't Post

concerning jealousy of success and all... but I've said it before... Guillermo made the choice to leave.

I am a huge Guillermo Del Toro fan... but there are those (not implying that is you, Sunflower) who literally believe he was forced to leave because of contracts. While honorable that he would want to keep those other contracts... he was also under contract to make The Hobbit films... so I am baffled by that reasoning. What is sad... is that nearly all of those contracts... have dried up or abandoned Guillermo Del Toro... and The Hobbit continues.

While sad, such is the world of film - and frankly the world of business.

Also, Guillermo Del Toro made the decision to take on a film that did not have a green light... in fact... the entire time he devoted to The Hobbit, was without a green light - a not so minor detail.

Peter Jackson, Fran Walsh, Phillipa Boyens, and Richard Taylor have invested from the beginning - without a green light. They all have contracts pending on other jobs. And yet they chose to stay.

Is anyone wrong for their respective decision? I can't see how. These are people, passionate and creative, dedicated and determined - all with their own paths.

My hope is that Guillermo will be properly credited and will rise above the misfortune he has seen of late.

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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Mar 26 2011, 7:27pm

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IMO, Guillermo leaving was a huge professional misstep... [In reply to] Can't Post

Had he remained and made TH, he would have been working on a project with assured "A-list status" and a massive built-in audience for the first time in his career, and subsequently would have had the clout to make "At the Mountains of Madness" or whatever other project he wished next, (similarly to how LotR allowed PJ to tackle his "dream project" of "King Kong")...however, not only has he now spent three years on two projects to no avail, (one is being made without him, the other is not happening at all for the foreseeable future)...but now, no matter how legitimate the problems were that drove him to his decision to leave TH production, he as obtained a reputation of a "quitter" in the eyes of the entertainment industry, which MAY be partially why Universal was reluctant to green-light a production the size of AtMoM...what if the film went over-schedule and GdT walked away half-way through? Unsure

In any case, it was a tumultuous situation for all involved all the way through, so at least now they're filming...

Sorry for the insane run-on sentence, BTW...Cool

I would rather be watching Peter Jackson's "The Hobbit" and Ridley Scott's "Prometheus"...it's going to be a long few years.

(This post was edited by Captain Salt on Mar 26 2011, 7:29pm)


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Mar 26 2011, 7:37pm

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Just an interesting tidbit... [In reply to] Can't Post

I just read on Deadline that Saiorse Ronan is currently in talks to co-star in Snow White, which comes out in July 2012. Yet another story about dwarves...Smile
I wonder if this will impact her getting a role in The Hobbit?


(This post was edited by Maiarmike on Mar 26 2011, 7:43pm)


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Mar 26 2011, 7:55pm

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There is no more need for Primula than Itaril [In reply to] Can't Post

There could be both as in the casting call. There could be even more we have not heard about.

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Mar 26 2011, 7:57pm

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If they populate the woodland realm only with the characters Tolkien mentioned [In reply to] Can't Post

It is going to be awfully empty.

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Plurmo
Rohan

Mar 26 2011, 7:58pm

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Sometimes I have the impression [In reply to] Can't Post

that people want to be surprised by that drunk Legolas scene so badly that they consider any discussion of it to be treasonous spoiler making.Laugh


Plurmo
Rohan

Mar 26 2011, 8:03pm

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Yes, that will be interesting. [In reply to] Can't Post

For me, as long as they keep the book characters somewhat intact in personality and relevance I'm not against the addition of colorful (or "darkful") new characters. Not only because they usually are less significant, but also because they are integral to the big surprise feeling of it all.


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Mar 26 2011, 8:40pm

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? Rebunked ? [In reply to] Can't Post

Debunked + rebuked ? or just the inverse of debunked?

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Maiarmike
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Mar 26 2011, 8:47pm

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Peter... [In reply to] Can't Post

...at least in the DVD's, struck me as the more Tolkien fan who wanted to keep things the way he wrote them, or at least try his best to make it work, and Fran and Phillipa seemed like the film adapters who didn't mind changing things at all for the sake of the films. Not that there's anything wrong with that, just as long as it builds characters and drama for a movie, which they did a pretty good job of considering their 17 Oscars or so.

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KAOS82
Rohan


Mar 26 2011, 8:57pm

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I agree with you [In reply to] Can't Post

Me too I don't want to see a love story as in LOTR where Arwen takes too much place imao
I want pure action this time, nevermind if there are not female characters, we have a drake and it needs to talk about the journey to Erebor leaving aside other facts which doesn't matter
I can accept Itaril as the worried Bard's girlfriend but no more than that!!!

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Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Mar 26 2011, 9:03pm

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Unfortunately... [In reply to] Can't Post

...pure action is meaningless if you don't care about the characters or their goals (a la Transformers).

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Mar 26 2011, 9:50pm

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The Hobbit is about personal transformation and the problem of greed. [In reply to] Can't Post

The action is only there as a support structure.

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AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Mar 26 2011, 11:24pm

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All I know is this. . . if they start making folks up, and still manage to miss Glorfindel [In reply to] Can't Post

then it will indeed be HELL RAISING TIME! Nope, nope. You are not going to talk me down on this. None of you is going to talk me down on this one. Its all I can stand and I can't stand no damned more! If random woodelves start getting names and speaking roles, Then Glorfindel needs to be in Rivendell to greet Gandalf and should have his proper seat on The White Council. There are no more ifs ands or buts about it. Mad Mad Mad

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PattyJB
Rivendell

Mar 26 2011, 11:49pm

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Hear, Hear. [In reply to] Can't Post

And since I watched the new Sherlock Holmes to see Freeman as Watson, I have a new candidate to play Glorfindel.



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