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Elijah Wood will be in 'The Hobbit'
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Jan 11 2011, 10:27pm

Post #376 of 379 (28872 views)
Artistic licence [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't think it matters that Bilbo may not have known the specifics of the White Council's adventures. The flashback won't need to follow Bilbo's writings word-for-word once we get the idea that Bilbo is vaguely aware of the Dol Guldur episode, the flashback can naturally expand itself beyond the scope of his narration and into the Necromancer storyline. At least I think that might work...


Jan 12 2011, 11:13pm

Post #377 of 379 (27960 views)
Gandalf's report [In reply to] Can't Post

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From the last chapter of The Hobbit:

It was in this way he learned where Gandalf had been too; for he overheard the words of the wizard to Elrond. It appeared that Gandalf had been to a great council of white wizards, masters of lore and good magic; and that they had at last driven the Necromancer from his dark hold in the south of Mirkwood.

It looks like I may have been mistaken. He did know of the Council and the expulsion of the Necromancer from Mirkwood. So I guess the question is: would Gandalf really have given him the specifics?

I'm guessing, not at that time. Gandalf probably wrote up a fuller account years later to be included as part of Bilbo's Red Book.


Jan 13 2011, 10:54pm

Post #378 of 379 (29529 views)
This could work really well. [In reply to] Can't Post

I am reading Unfinished Tales right now and The Quest of Erebor actually illustrates perfectly how Frodo might fit into The Hobbit movie. In Quest of Erebor, Gandalf and Frodo are in Minas Tirith some time after Aragorn's coronation and Gandalf is telling Frodo about how he bumped into Thorin in Bree and how that "chance" meeting started the chain of events that led to Bilbo going with the dwarves on their journey. If Frodo is going to be in the movie, it seems to me that he will actually just be listening to Gandalf tell the story. It's not my ideal beginning for the movie, but I think it could work really well. I haven't read all 377 of these posts, so forgive me if I'm repeating something that has been said already.

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Jan 14 2011, 1:06am

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I'm skeptical of Frodo being in this film. I'm getting flashbacks of the Rankin Bass 'Return of the King' wrap-around, and I certainly hope that's not what they're up to here. 'The Hobbit' needs to be told as a legitimate chapter in the Lord of the Rings story, not as a weird flashback from the imagination of Frodo. It doesn't make any sense to me that 'The Hobbit' film would have such a decidedly un-epic introduction as Frodo reading the book ~ followed up by the completely-epic intro to the Rings trilogy as narrated by Galadriel. If narration is needed, let it be Galadriel, for continuity's sake. Let the introduction be about Gandalf, Thrain and the Necromancer. Hopefully, the insertion of Frodo will be a pleasant surprise and not what I fear it will be.

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