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Deadline.com: Orlando to reprise Legolas in 'Hobbit'
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Earl
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Dec 9 2010, 3:08pm

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     Flash forwards... [In reply to]  

... based on what I've seen in LOTR, I'm quite confident in PJ's ability to use flash forwards to good effect to round out the tale he's telling. If at the outset of LOTR (meaning 1999 or so) you'd told me that they were going to cut the scouring of the Shire but show a scene of Aragorn's death and a scene with Eldarion somewhere in the films, I'd probably raise an eyebrow. As it turns out, I can't imagine the movies without those flash forward scenes Evil

For these films as well I trust that if PJ includes characters beyond the time-frame of The Hobbit, he'll do so for a good *reason* and not just for the sake of a *reunion*.

I'm with you on the Aragorn thing. Much as I'd love to see him again, I'd hate to see him thrown in with some warped time-frame supporting his inclusion, and with no convincing reason other than to have him back for a cameo.

The same goes for any other LOTR character. But if PJ's wizardly mind has conjured up some poignant flash forward that demands an LOTR character's return, I'm not complaining Wink

ETA: Oh I'm keeping my hopes up for Christopher Lee as well!



(This post was edited by Earl on Dec 9 2010, 3:11pm)


deej
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Dec 9 2010, 3:15pm

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     I'm a little concerned to read that this might be a bigger role than just a cameo. [In reply to]  

I am totally fine with Legolas showing up briefly in Mirkwood, and/or The Battle of the Five Armies; although Tolkien didn't write him in it's still plausable that he'd be there. However, i'm not sure what I think about him having a larger role.* I suppose I will save judgement until I know exactly what he'll be doing.


*This coming from a unabashed Orlando fangirl!


(This post was edited by deej on Dec 9 2010, 3:16pm)


deej
Aessere Lot


Dec 9 2010, 3:26pm

Post #78 of 269 (13785 views)
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     It is annoying. [In reply to]  

I was sitting outside a panel for the 'Twilight' kids during San Diego Comic Con one year, and the screaming didn't stop the hour they were in there. I felt really bad for the actors, not to mention anyone else in that room that wanted to hear the discussion.

That's not to say I wasn't a bit wobbly in the knee meeting Mr. Bloom, however I internalized my squees. No one should be subjected to that! Wink


Patty
Latrommi


Dec 9 2010, 3:44pm

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     You know Earl, [In reply to]  


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... based on what I've seen in LOTR, I'm quite confident in PJ's ability to use flash forwards to good effect to round out the tale he's telling. If at the outset of LOTR (meaning 1999 or so) you'd told me that they were going to cut the scouring of the Shire but show a scene of Aragorn's death and a scene with Eldarion somewhere in the films, I'd probably raise an eyebrow. As it turns out, I can't imagine the movies without those flash forward scenes Evil

For these films as well I trust that if PJ includes characters beyond the time-frame of The Hobbit, he'll do so for a good *reason* and not just for the sake of a *reunion*.

I'm with you on the Aragorn thing. Much as I'd love to see him again, I'd hate to see him thrown in with some warped time-frame supporting his inclusion, and with no convincing reason other than to have him back for a cameo.


You make a very good point here.

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dormouse
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Dec 9 2010, 4:12pm

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     Good point.... [In reply to]  

I love those flash forward scenes and I think they were very skillfully woven into the story.

Have to say I really like the idea of Legolas appearing because it is logical for him to be in Mirkwood - and rather strange if he were not. And as they will have to sign Orlando Bloom on and pay him, if this turns out to be true, it makes absolute sense to give him more than a walk-on part. Given the general lack of definition of the Mirkwood elves in the book there are plenty of ways they can use him without contradicting the book in any way.

But replacing Bard? No, I suspect that was Kangi being mischievous. I'm sure Bard will be there with his bow and his little friend the thrush, passing on the news he heard from Bilbo. That's such a memorable scene - and Bard goes on from there to lead the human contingent in the battle - there's no way Legolas could do that.

I share your feelings about Aragorn - and hopes for Christopher Lee.


Magpie
Latrommi


Dec 9 2010, 4:23pm

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     lol [In reply to]  

I got a bit wobbly in the knee seeing a picture of you meeting Mr. Bloom. :-)


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Flagg
Aessere Lot


Dec 9 2010, 5:20pm

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     Yes! [In reply to]  

I'm delighted by this news. This really shouldn't be a cause for worry Ė Legolas will fit perfectly into the story. It's possible, or even probable that he was at the halls of the Elvenking and the Battle of Five Armies; if Tolkien had planned out LotR before writing The Hobbit, I suspect he would have included Legolas himself. It would be very strange if the filmmakers left him out Ė it would border on a continuity error. He's supposed to be the son of Thranduil, and how are audiences meant to make that connection if they never appear together or reference each other?

I'm even more excited about the Ian McKellen/Andy Serkis/Hugo Weaving news. If the filmmakers want them, they will get them Ė with a $500 million budget, they can afford all the perks they require. I always knew that McKellen and Serkis would be returning, as they've both spoken about their willingness recently, but we've heard no news regarding Weaving until now Ė I'm over the moon now that we know we'll be getting our Elrond back, especially in light of the White Council sequences! Elrond in action! Smile


Empedocles
Llednevir


Dec 9 2010, 5:24pm

Post #83 of 269 (13736 views)
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     Wouldn't it be cool... [In reply to]  

...to have Legolas shooting at Smaug and missing, and then have Bard actually making the killing shot?? Weird. I know, but for some reason, I wouldn't mind that, as long is Bard the one killing the dragon.

Regarding Bard's role, I wouldn't worry too much about him being deleted from the movies, because if he is cut from the film, then most of the final verbal confrontation between Elves, Men and Dwarves wouldn't make sense.

I'm really happy that Orlando Bloom is on board, it certainly wouldn't make sense to visit Mirkwood and not see the son of the king at all. As long as they don't over-amplify his role, I'm actually excited that he will be in the movies. Oh, and please, no love stories either.

Please, give us back Glorfindel!!!


Flagg
Aessere Lot


Dec 9 2010, 5:27pm

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     The term 'cameo' [In reply to]  

is highly subjective. For example, I have heard people refer to Michael Keaton's appearance in Beetlejuice as a 'glorified cameo', whereas I would consider him to be the film's main star.


Ataahua
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Dec 9 2010, 5:44pm

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     A bit of a back-handed benefit really, isn't it? :D / [In reply to]  

 

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Men: "Pretty rings..."
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Flagg
Aessere Lot


Dec 9 2010, 5:56pm

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     The thrush? [In reply to]  

I'm not at all certain that the thrush will survive into the final film. It must be so tempting for the filmmakers to just merge him with Rošc the raven.


Garfeimao
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Dec 9 2010, 6:02pm

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     Does this icon make me look like a fangirl???? (nt) [In reply to]  

 

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Captain Salt
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Dec 9 2010, 6:03pm

Post #88 of 269 (13712 views)
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     Nope, the Elf-Lord was from Rivendell... [In reply to]  

And they don't post descriptions of characters who already have actors attached.

If he ends up being in the films, my money's on Elladan/Elrohir or Glorfindel.

Or Figwit, in which case this board would go berserk! ShockedShocked

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Ataahua
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Dec 9 2010, 6:05pm

Post #89 of 269 (13718 views)
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     It certainly [In reply to]  

makes you the envy of a *lot* of fans!! Where was the pic taken?

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauronís master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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SirDennisC
Nevle-flah


Dec 9 2010, 6:10pm

Post #90 of 269 (13719 views)
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     Not at all, in fact Orly appears to be more into you than vice versa ;) NFT [In reply to]  

 


Garfeimao
NahoR


Dec 9 2010, 6:19pm

Post #91 of 269 (13723 views)
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     Premiere party for Fellowship in Hollywood [In reply to]  

Before Orli stopped dressing himself in picnic blankets.

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Bran
Neirol

Dec 9 2010, 6:33pm

Post #92 of 269 (13794 views)
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     Actors only delivering lines. [In reply to]  

Largely true, although it's revealed in the EE DVD appendices that some scenes/lines were added in in response to the preformers performances, and the fans reaction.

I've nothing against either JRD nor Bloom, just a bit more of a purist than some, I guess.


Elentari03
Llednevir

Dec 9 2010, 6:41pm

Post #93 of 269 (13643 views)
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     I agree [In reply to]  

Legolas is a much more logical inclusion, story-wise, than Drogo Baggins. It would be odd without Legolas in Mirkwood, and probably at the BOFA. I am still not sure Drogo is necessary.


DiveTwin
NahoR


Dec 9 2010, 6:42pm

Post #94 of 269 (13695 views)
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     Again, Nicely Put [In reply to]  


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... based on what I've seen in LOTR, I'm quite confident in PJ's ability to use flash forwards to good effect to round out the tale he's telling. If at the outset of LOTR (meaning 1999 or so) you'd told me that they were going to cut the scouring of the Shire but show a scene of Aragorn's death and a scene with Eldarion somewhere in the films, I'd probably raise an eyebrow. As it turns out, I can't imagine the movies without those flash forward scenes Evil

For these films as well I trust that if PJ includes characters beyond the time-frame of The Hobbit, he'll do so for a good *reason* and not just for the sake of a *reunion*.

I'm with you on the Aragorn thing. Much as I'd love to see him again, I'd hate to see him thrown in with some warped time-frame supporting his inclusion, and with no convincing reason other than to have him back for a cameo.

The same goes for any other LOTR character. But if PJ's wizardly mind has conjured up some poignant flash forward that demands an LOTR character's return, I'm not complaining Wink

ETA: Oh I'm keeping my hopes up for Christopher Lee as well!



Very well done, sir. I agree with you on the flash forwards. I could accept that - heck, I'd love if there is a LEGITIMATE way to see them again without changing the story of The Hobbit. We'll see what they come up with.

Man, filming starts in TWO MONTHS! Awesome....

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(This post was edited by DiveTwin on Dec 9 2010, 6:43pm)


xy
NahoR

Dec 9 2010, 6:43pm

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     Pass. No LOTR reunions please. [In reply to]  

While Drogo Baggins is a surprise casting. it'd make sense in order to establish Bilbo as a character.


Ataahua
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Dec 9 2010, 6:57pm

Post #96 of 269 (13606 views)
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     Heh - certainly makes him hard to miss. :D / [In reply to]  

 

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauronís master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Otaku-sempai
Latrommi

Dec 9 2010, 6:59pm

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     I'm okay with Legolas [In reply to]  

As long as Legolas is logically integrated into the story, I'm fine with Orlando Bloom returning. I can even see a couple of ways to give Arwen a cameo (or even a larger role); Elrond's her father and Galadriel is kin. A cameo for Gimli would be a bit of a stretch and I would prefer that Jackson avoids trying to squeeze him in. However, as much as I like Viggo Mortensen as Aragorn, there is no way that he should be allowed to reprise the part. Aragorn would be much younger (still a child in Tolkien's timeline). Even if he appears as a young adult, the role should be recast.


SirDennisC
Nevle-flah


Dec 9 2010, 7:07pm

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     Hmmm [In reply to]  


In Reply To
It just isnít a big deal to kids of the current generation. And it shouldnít be. But whenever I see on these boards this unwarranted assumption that heteroseuality is the norm, the acceptable assumption, it makes me sad.
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I just ask that there be a little bit more understanding and sympathy, a little less red-blooded he-man stuff.
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Itís ok if some of the teenage guys are more interested in how cool Legolas is than how dreamy Arwen is. Maybe itís a passing thing, maybe it will change, and maybe it wonít. But please letís not judge these kids, nor make it seem that we are doing so because we never consider what it is like from their standpoint.


I kind of get what triggered your response... it stems from the sense that a guy feels he must qualify his admiration for male characters or actors lest he be labelled a certain way? It didn't appear to me that this is what happened. I think Pete was saying he agrees in principle with expanding TH to include LOTR characters where opportunity exists and not simply because he is a fan of LOTR or any actor in particular.

However, perhaps inadvertently (most likely), you imply that for a male to "really [dig] Legolas" he is most likely gay. But this is not true, not even close. For instance I have developed what can be described best as mad crushes towards certain male characters (and the actors who play them) over the years. Something like intense admiration and even a desire to be like them. But this is evidence of the lack of inspiring male role models in RL, not of sexual preference; I too lament a world where attraction and fondness are almost always equated with sexual desire.

Regardless, I express my fondness for certain actors around here at TORn on a regular basis. There was only one person, one time, who appeared to be uncomfortable or confused by this behaviour. She stopped posting some time ago.



Doriath
Llednevir


Dec 9 2010, 7:12pm

Post #99 of 269 (13706 views)
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     As long as they are making things up that don't happen in the book [In reply to]  

how about Cameo having a cameo? Instead of "Word up" he can sing "Bard up" just before Bard looses his arrow.

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Jettorex
Neirol


Dec 9 2010, 7:16pm

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     uh-oh [In reply to]  

this is starting to look more and more like LOTR prequel, then The Hobbit.


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