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Deadline.com: Orlando to reprise Legolas in 'Hobbit'
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Junesong
Rivendell


Dec 9 2010, 8:16am

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     I agree sort of [In reply to]  

I know what you mean. I hate the idea that kids grow up feeling like outcasts just because they might be different than the majority of kids around them. Everyone deserves love and acceptance and happiness.

But everyone IS different even while we're all the same and we all see our own view of the world. It is normal for a heterosexual male to think of Orlando Bloom as a guy who girls find attractive because he's only ever thinking of who GIRLS find attractive, because he spends most of his time thinking about girls.

Is it not possible that we're reading a little too much into the post? Are we supposed to cover all our sexual orientation bases every time we talk about people being attractive?

I'm happy enough that TORN's maintenance ensures clean, hate-free boards (rare for the internet) where we can share our love for Tolkien and our anticipation of The Hobbit in peace. No one is trying to exclude anyone.

So I agree with you. But I think it's a mountain of an issue in a mole hill of a post.

"Tim... Canterbury... Canterbury Tales... Chaucer."


macfalk
Valinor


Dec 9 2010, 8:53am

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     Finrod, you are stretching it too far [In reply to]  

Pete's post wasn't an unfair claim. Sure you have some points, but for instance, I can safely assure you that more females than males likes the "Twilight" series. This isn't a guess or a generalisation or whatever, it's fact.

Yes, everyone is different, but it's not very farfetched to claim that more females likes Orlando Bloom than males.



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


Garfeimao
Rohan


Dec 9 2010, 9:21am

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     Wrong target [In reply to]  

The generalizing and stereotyping wasn't about sexual preference, it was about the Fanboy/Fangirl experience. The younger, exuberant fans that deluged these boards and LiveJournal and other fansites and just raved and raved about whomever their current crush was. Rational discussions often went out the window when any possible criticism was leveled at their current crush. You see it now with Twilight, and in the recent past with Harry Potter and with LOTR and with Lost, and with a lot of fandoms. Maybe it's ageism, rather than sexism, but it is a phenomenon. And in a theater or at a convention or premiere event when any of these actors appear, the decibel level definitely rises. I've seen many a story of how someone's movie going experience was ruined by screaming fangirls, and it's quite possible that some of them were actually screaming fanboys. Heck, at comic con, I've heard a room of men and women squeal in delight at geeky announcements. Hollywood doesn't really care if if it's audience is heterosexual or homosexual or anything inbetween, as long as they cast actors with the widest appeal possible to pull in the largest amount of paying viewers. But the rest of us viewers aren't always happy with some of that audience. I do have a tendency to shy away from sitting near groups of teen girls for this reason.

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Ataahua
Superuser / Moderator


Dec 9 2010, 9:36am

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     At the risk of sounding like an old fogey [In reply to]  

I wish I could invent a tiny device that dampens the sound of screaming, because it bugs the living heck out of me.


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in a theater or at a convention or premiere event when any of these actors appear, the decibel level definitely rises.



When did screaming become the de riguer way of showing approval? And is there any way we could return this annoying habit to the hell of overexcitement from which it came?

Now excuse me while I tell some kids to get off my lawn.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauronís master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Bound
Rohan


Dec 9 2010, 9:50am

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     Beatlemania... [In reply to]  

That's where it seemed to come from. There's something so insane about woman (for the most part) screeming and crying and faiting because some dude is close to them . ... Tongue


Ataahua
Superuser / Moderator


Dec 9 2010, 9:53am

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     I'll bet you're right! [In reply to]  

The news clips showing screaming fans at Beatles concerts looked like crowd hysteria.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauronís master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Bran
Lorien

Dec 9 2010, 10:12am

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     Don't let Legolas kill Smaug [In reply to]  

I hope that's right. Personally, I think Bloom's Legolas overplayed the character - I particularly didn't like the snowboarding clip (wasn't overly keen on JRD's dwarf tossing nonsense, either, btw).

Show Legolas in the Elven kings halls, let him have some dialogue, no probs with that, but if he has a major stroy altering part, I'll be strongly against it.


Pete
Bree


Dec 9 2010, 10:28am

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     Wow... [In reply to]  

Okay, I can appreciate where you're coming from and I wholeheartedly agree that there are severe problems of discrimination with sexism and homophobia, but seriously what I said wasn't the slightest bit insensitive or hurtful. All I said was that I liked the idea of Orlando having a cameo and that I was neither a female nor an Orlando Bloom fan. I didn't say all females like Orlando Bloom nor did I say all males hate him.

You mentioned that Boromir was a "Hagar-the-Horrible stereotype", well I'm afraid that Legolas as he's portrayed in the movies is an "Eye-candy action hero stereotype". The film makers have said as much in various interviews.

I don't mean to sound harsh, and I do truly sympathize with what you're saying but I do defend what I said as a simple statement of fact.

  • I'm not a female.
  • I'm not an Orlando Bloom fan.
  • I'm glad he may appear in these films.

This issue obviously means a great deal to you so I would suggest, Finrod, that you start a dedicated thread expressing your view point. Better then having it muddled up in a casting rumour thread.



macfalk
Valinor


Dec 9 2010, 10:34am

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     You're right [In reply to]  

I think maybe Finrod misread your post.



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NottaSackville
Tol Eressea

Dec 9 2010, 12:38pm

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     You already do - it's called aging.... [In reply to]  

Not only does our hearing generally get worse, but it's those high pitches that we really lose.

Notta


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Dec 9 2010, 12:59pm

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     Remember the actors only delivered the lines.// [In reply to]  

 

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Celedor
Rivendell


Dec 9 2010, 1:00pm

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     Trusting the Elf [In reply to]  

I like the idea of Bloom having a juicy part as opposed to a cameo. Apart from the fact that itís silly to waste a great actor for just a brief appearance. a cameo by Legolas would only serve to be a distraction. Itís better for The Hobbit to tell its own story than to wink at The Lord of the Rings.

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Dec 9 2010, 1:06pm

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     Thank you, with all my heart.// [In reply to]  

 

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Dec 9 2010, 1:12pm

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     Much earlier: I recall newsreels of Bobysoxers screaming and fainting over Sinatra. [In reply to]  

It may have always been with us but repressed by stricter social norms.

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StarElf
Rohan

Dec 9 2010, 1:19pm

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     A Part of My Soul Just Threw Up in Its Mouth [In reply to]  

My friends, this is no longer about making two movies---it's about making one long cast reunion and calling it 'art'. :(

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Daisy Gold
The Shire

Dec 9 2010, 1:23pm

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     is it really true? [In reply to]  

I am reluctant to believe this news in case it turns out to be just another rumour. Can we trust this source?
It would be fine to have Legolas pop up somewhere in the film if it does not take away from the Hobbit story. However I would not like the 'fair ground antics' that we saw in LOTR, ie slides down steps on a shield. Nor would I like to see him take on the role that is either meant for Bard or Thranduil. Chatting with his papa or picnicing in the woods is ok.EvilWink


Patty
Immortal


Dec 9 2010, 1:26pm

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     Well... [In reply to]  

the announced returning cast members are, for me, characters that did exist in Middle-earth at the time of The Hobbit, and are logical to be in the places covered in what we understand the story outline to be. I'm very happy with the prospect. But if they try to return Pippin, Merry, Sam or Frodo, much as I loved them in LotR, all bets are off.

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Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Dec 9 2010, 1:39pm

Post #68 of 269 (13840 views)
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     I agree... [In reply to]  

... while "book purists" may ask why Legolas needs to be in the movie when he isn't in the book, as a "movie purist" (and I don't really know what that term means, I'm just throwing it out there!) I'd say it makes sense to have Legolas in the movies simply because it's logical to do so.

Besides, I don't really know what the term "book purist" means. The book will be THE book, and no other interpretation of the story will/can ever replace it, so as long as nothing the filmmakers add into or remove from these films *contradict* the story of The Hobbit, I'm cool Cool



Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Dec 9 2010, 1:40pm

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     Perhaps the post was just a catalyst. [In reply to]  

That is how I took it. These things Finrod wrote have been around in him a while. My having a son who is straight, whos best friend is a transitioning transsexual, who marches in the Gay Pride parade each year and of whom I am very proud, has warped my perspective. I am glad he spoke out.

Now as to Legolas' role in the Hobbit: Leggy would have been there in the Forest Kingdom when the Dwarves & Bilbo passed through so I do not see it as a stretch that he would appear. (Aragorn was 10 years old at Rivendell & did not know his own name,) Now once you put Legolas into the movie it is far too tempting to pump up his role. (Returning star power, maybe the beginnings of his change of heart toward dwarves, maybe a bit of romance with a young female elf who is a bit of a tomboy and realy good with a sword (you get the picture). But then you can't just drop Legolas out of the picture. He has to become involved in later events. If the book story line is followed, the Elf host does not reach Lake Town untill the dragon is dead. This would be good. Bard will have been established as will the politics of Lake Town: the dragon will have been done in by Bard and the Elves will arive with help and Gandalf will show up fresh from Dol Gulder. Legolas will either lead the Elf Host or be acting as his father's captain. This will put the shieldboarding Hefalump killer on the battlefield at the Battle of Five Armies.
Besides Gandalf seemed to know Legolas when he showed up for the Council of Elrond in Fellowship of the Ring.

Now all of this is conjecture and none of it might happen.

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acheron
Gondor


Dec 9 2010, 2:11pm

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     aaack [In reply to]  

I was just thinking how I didn't mind this at all, even though I've been adamant about wanting "The Hobbit" and not "Lord of the Rings: Episode 1". But now you've scared me. Shocked

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macfalk
Valinor


Dec 9 2010, 2:11pm

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     Excellent Earl, may I borrow the term "movie-purist" for later? [In reply to]  

Cool



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acheron
Gondor


Dec 9 2010, 2:15pm

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     Really don't mind this [In reply to]  

(at least I didn't until I read Kangi Ska's speculation re: no Bard...)

This has been pretty much expected ever since the LOTR movies came out and we began to wonder about a Hobbit film. I would have been a bit surprised if they didn't do this. And it's not completely out of left field, like the Drogo Baggins thing.

For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much -- the wheel, New York, wars, and so on -- while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man, for precisely the same reasons. -- Douglas Adams


Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Dec 9 2010, 2:40pm

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     Yes of course... [In reply to]  

... I don't claim to be the one who invented the term. Though it's rare I probably picked it up from its being bandied about here Smile



Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Dec 9 2010, 2:47pm

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     My multiple personality disorder [In reply to]  

allows me to be both a book purist and a movie purist, to love and scorn both with equal passion. But I never tell any of the others.Evil

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DiveTwin
Rohan


Dec 9 2010, 2:47pm

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     Nicely Put [In reply to]  


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... while "book purists" may ask why Legolas needs to be in the movie when he isn't in the book, as a "movie purist" (and I don't really know what that term means, I'm just throwing it out there!) I'd say it makes sense to have Legolas in the movies simply because it's logical to do so.

Besides, I don't really know what the term "book purist" means. The book will be THE book, and no other interpretation of the story will/can ever replace it, so as long as nothing the filmmakers add into or remove from these films *contradict* the story of The Hobbit, I'm cool Cool



That pretty much sums up my feelings as well. I only hope they do not change the basic story (such as Legolas shooting down Smaug instead of Bard, as some have suggested might happen). But simply adding someone like Legolas is certainly plausible and does not mean the story has to be altered. I admit I like the idea - but would not have cared either way in the end. As Patty says, I would not want Merry, Pippen, Frodo or Sam ... or Aragorn for that matter ... in this story, much as I love their characters. There is no plausible way to include them, unless they decide on some "flash-forward" view of the future or the movie is told as a story from that future point in time.

Anyway, I am kind of excited to have Legolas back, just as I am happy to have them flesh out the events at Dol Guldur, the White Council, etc. which brings back Galadriel, introduces Radagast and of course includes Gandalf and Saruman (hopefully with Christopher Lee).

"Do not come between the Nazgul and his prey"

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