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Deadline.com: Orlando to reprise Legolas in 'Hobbit'
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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Dec 9 2010, 2:39am

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     Bard gets demoted to master of Lake Town. [In reply to]  

Legolas scores Dragon Head Mount for his rumpus room.Evil

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Nimloth
Lorien


Dec 9 2010, 2:49am

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     Great news if true [In reply to]  

I would love to see Legolas in The Hobbit and it is feasible that he could be at his father's side at that time. I don't won't to see him in a romantic role with Itaril, though unfortunately it is very likely.


dernwyn
Forum Admin / Moderator


Dec 9 2010, 3:15am

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     Yecch! No way! // [In reply to]  

 


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LordElrond
Rivendell

Dec 9 2010, 3:23am

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     Why? [In reply to]  

Why would you think that Legolas will have a romantic role? He's not even in the book so I doubt they'll invent a love story around him.


Hamfast
Rohan


Dec 9 2010, 3:29am

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     OMG you're right. [In reply to]  

I haven't read the book in a decade. Funny how things stick in your head. For the record, I was just being playful (like I think Kangi was...) I emphatically do NOT want Legolas to kill Smaug.


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Dec 9 2010, 3:38am

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     These are worst case... [In reply to]  

The stuff of Nightmares. I do not think that even GdT would have come up with these babies.

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Dec 9 2010, 3:44am

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     One love story tends to be manditory these days [In reply to]  

and no I would not put it past the writers. In fact in my mind I already see the whole scenario. The only parts that require resolution are "Who Shoots Smaug" and if they leave out the Arkenstone how are they going to lay out that part of the conflict of Bilbo with the Dwarves.

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OiotŠri
Tol Eressea


Dec 9 2010, 3:45am

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     and we no longer have [In reply to]  

GdT to come and quell our fears before we get out of hand


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TheGoblinKing
Rohan

Dec 9 2010, 3:46am

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     I Think Comes To Play. [In reply to]  

I think its to show everyone knew and respect Bilbo or in this case the Name Baggins. So Legolas in the movies seems logical to me. Like Dain maybe comes at the Battle. Legolas could be on scouting duty and returns home in time to help his father to fight who he assumed was Dwarvs.


Elentari03
Rivendell

Dec 9 2010, 3:50am

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     So exciting! [In reply to]  

I am glad he will have a substantial role. Smile

Keep the announcements coming!


Ethel Duath
Half-elven


Dec 9 2010, 4:45am

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     They wouldn't (all together now!) [In reply to]  

If we all repeat it incessantly, maybe it'll work the same way that "no place like home" worked for Dorothy!


Gandalf'sMother
Rohan

Dec 9 2010, 4:49am

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     Nooooooooooooo! [In reply to]  

Not necessary. At all. George Lucas-esque. Shrinks the universe. Etc. Etc.


Amandil
The Shire

Dec 9 2010, 4:50am

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     Larger roll totally feasible [In reply to]  

It's great to know Legolas will be back. I have no problem with it being more than a cameo and actually think it very appropriate and not contradictory to the book (assuming Bard kills Smaug...please...more on that later).

Any fans feeling hesitation should remember that he was the Elvenking's son - a Prince. I do not believe we'll see him as one of the drunk guards letting Thorin's Company slip away, as one suggested. Rather I picture him standing by his father's throne as he interrogates the dwarves and sends them to the dungeon (..."Throw the book at 'em Daddy!"...okay, so this is why I'm not a script writer...anyway...).

For the same reason, if he shows up as one of the leaders in the Battle of Five Armies, that also may not be far fetched at all. Tolkein had his Silmarillion stories he had worked on since his youth, in one form or another, and then had the Hobbit, written more for the entertainment of his children than as a coherent part of the larger mythology. Lord of the Rings was not in his mind when writing the Hobbit and Thranduil's family is not mentioned. Once Tolkein later bridged the gap and made Legolas his son, in my opinion at least, I don't think even Tolkein would deny that Legolas would have been involved in the Hobbit story, though unmentioned. It is more a matter of lack of info in the Hobbit than it is a contradiction, something simply inherent in the chronology of the creation of Legolas.

Just one other thought to keep the above thoughts a bit in check... While he was a Prince at the time of the Hobbit, and I'm sure had established a high reputation fighting neighboring spiders as well as orcs or evil men intruding on the borders of their kingdom, I believe it was surely his deeds as part of the Fellowship, and in the defeat of Sauron, which would have proved him ready to rule when his time came and elevated his reputation to it's peak. While, as I stated, exploits in the Battle of Five Armies for Legolas were quite feasible and could have helped his standing as well, I surely don't think anything of such extreme note as the slaying of Smaug should be portrayed and I think would be contradictory to his character in both the LOTR books and movies. It is in the Fellowship that he comes into his own and becomes a hero of proportions that span beyond Mirkwood -- not at the feet of Mt. Erebor.


Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Dec 9 2010, 4:51am

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     Cool! [In reply to]  

I really hope they use this as an opportunity to show more of Legolas' distrust of dwarves. It would make his eventual friendship with Gimli even more significant.Cool


Rodu
Rivendell

Dec 9 2010, 4:58am

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     agreed [In reply to]  

At least he has a reason to be there, hopefully they won't have Aragorn too, that would be too much


VoronwŽ_the_Faithful
Valinor

Dec 9 2010, 5:05am

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     I really don't think they would [In reply to]  

If for no other reason that they would not want to pass up the only opportunity to have a human hero.

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Doriath
Rivendell


Dec 9 2010, 5:44am

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     This may be ok if [In reply to]  

they just stick to the book as much as possible. Stray too far off the path of what Tolkien wrote and you end up wandering the darkest parts of Mirkwood without a light. By the way, are they planning on making the first film be the entire book of The Hobbit and the second film
pieced together from Tolkien's writtings as the bridge to the trilogy or are they planning to split the Book in half adding the extra stuff to stretch each one out? I really hope it's not the later. The first film needs to be The Hobbit, as written, in it's entirety. The second film I'm not as worried about. If it didn't work, I can be happy just watching The Hobbit and the trilogy. Sadly, splitting the book may be the way they will want to go and force us to pay for both like the last HP book. :chews fingernails and furrows brow:

Gives it to us in glorious 2D!


Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Dec 9 2010, 5:47am

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The "bridge" film was abandoned quite a while ago. It's going to be The Hobbit Part 1 and Part 2.


Doriath
Rivendell


Dec 9 2010, 5:52am

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     as long as it's just from the Hobbit [In reply to]  

otherwise I'm back to worrying :(

Gives it to us in glorious 2D!


TheGoblinKing
Rohan

Dec 9 2010, 5:54am

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     Wonder If Will See Aragorn. [In reply to]  

Cause if Legolas has a cameo so shouldn't Aragorn cause seeing him at the end of the Hobbit too films be great. Maybe we could see Young and Old Aragorn in the two movies.


lurtz2010
Rohan

Dec 9 2010, 6:42am

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     So you're against the DolGuldur storyline then? [In reply to]  

I for one am so glad they are expanding the story to show the events of the white council.


Doriath
Rivendell


Dec 9 2010, 7:01am

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Yeah. I'm curious to see everything Tolkien ever wrote on screen. I'm just very fond of the books and really just want to get the Hobbit as I know and love it and not change the feeling of it or be taken out of the adventure I'm on with Bilbo and the Dwarves. I know I'm in the minority on this and the 3D issue but I just have to vent on some of these issues once in a while. Ya gotta please as many people as possible or you probably won't have a hit.

Gives it to us in glorious 2D!


Finrod
Rohan


Dec 9 2010, 7:19am

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     It's more than a bit offensive to equate females with Orli worship [In reply to]  


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Now, I'm neither female nor an Orlando Bloom fan but I'd still love to see him in The Hobbit.

Iíve been silent about this for years now on this board, and for whatever reason, this kind of ďeverybodyís like meĒ mentality is just too unfair and insensitive to let it sneak by. I have to speak up for those who are afraid to speak up for themselves. They deserve it.

It just isnít right to assume that all females will like the Legolas types but no males will, nor is it it right to assume that all males will like the Eowyn types but no females will. And there are of course some who admire both in that half-lascivious way. Thatís how humanity really is: a great mixture.

This 1930s style he-man stuff just isnít how it works in real life, even if it fit a story-book fantasy (which never existedóbut anyway). Pretending it works this way actually hurts people. It marginalizes them and makes them think you think there is something wrong with how they were born, something they can no more change than their skin color.

We accept religious belief as involate and sancrosanct, even though that is entirely a personal choice, unlike sexuality, which is not. It is terrible to reject things that arenít anybodyís false, like being born tall or blue-eyed or Jewish or blackóor gay. It really hurts people, so bad that it actually kills people.

Kills. Iíve seen it. I never want to see it again. Ever.

Weíve lost kids in my community because of this hatred; it is the most tragic thing imaginable, something that should never have happened. See that a few times and even the most hard-hearted soften their tone. It makes you cry. Please donít do anything to promulgate it, even unintentionally. Perhaps especially uninitentionally.

Sure, I know you donít mean it, but it really does. And I don't think you mean to hurt anyone.

I remember when we took our church youth group to see The Lord of the Rings, almost all kids whoíd not read The Book. One of them was a gay youth who hadnít wanted to go because of the Tinkerbell stereotype of elves. He was afraid that heíd be made fun of. But I assured him that Tolkien didn't appove of the Disneyfied elves either, and finally got him to come with the group anyway. And of course, he really dug Legolas. It was a positive role model for him, not some gruff Boromir Hagar-the-Horrible stereotype, but a sensitive, perceptive, other-worldly, and yes, hot role model. Heíd had no idea elves could be like that, strong and positive, not weak and flighty. The next year he went out for archery, and did pretty well in it. He'd never been in sport before, because of the general jockish opprobrium. It was a very positive experience for him. He grew from it, became a happier and strong personl

I and the rest of my family try hard to raise our kids not to be bigots, and not to make a big deal out of this kind of thing. When one came home and ďconfessedĒ to us that one of his best friends was gay, we told him any friend of his was always welcome in our home. Lest there be any doubt, heís getting married ó to a woman ó next month.

It just isnít a big deal to kids of the current generation. And it shouldnít be. But whenever I see on these boards this unwarranted assumption that heteroseuality is the norm, the acceptable assumption, it makes me sad. I remember the kid I had to work sio hard to come see the movies with us because he was afraid of stereotypes, how surprised and glad he was, and how much it helped him that he overcame that fear of stupid stereotyping.

I just ask that there be a little bit more understanding and sympathy, a little less red-blooded he-man stuff. It really makes those who werenít born that way feel terrible. These kids have it bad enough. Letís not through callous disregard make their lives even more miserable. Let things fall where they may, and let positive roll models take hold.

Itís ok if some of the teenage guys are more interested in how cool Legolas is than how dreamy Arwen is. Maybe itís a passing thing, maybe it will change, and maybe it wonít. But please letís not judge these kids, nor make it seem that we are doing so because we never consider what it is like from their standpoint.

There are too many teen-age suicides already. They deserve our unconditional love and acceptance; we should charish them for who they are, however they are.

Please think of this next time. Letís help our kids, not hurt them. We owe them that. Letís help make a better future for them, and for everyone.

…all eyes looked upon the ring; for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarfin and his house.
The Silmarillion, pp 150-151
while Felagund laughs beneath the trees
in Valinor and comes no more
to this grey world of tears and war.
The Lays of Beleriand, p 311




macfalk
Valinor


Dec 9 2010, 7:23am

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     They would. [In reply to]  

This feels to me as a clear Glorfindel/Arwen exchange. Actually I'm quite OK with it.

Or second thought, I don't want it to happen, but I can see why it could happen - Bard is a very undeveloped character in the book who sort of pops out of nowhere really.



The only question is, will he find a shield to surf on during BOFA? Cool



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.

(This post was edited by macfalk on Dec 9 2010, 7:26am)


Eledhwen
Forum Admin / Moderator


Dec 9 2010, 8:16am

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     Well ... [In reply to]  

while what you say about the faults of lumping everyone into a group is true, it is accurate to say that when the LOTR movies came out we on TORN were pretty much deluged with teenage girls who were your stereotypical Legolas fangirls ("Oooo, Orli is so dreamy!!!"). There were simply more girls who expressed their love of Legolas than guys. I don't think Pete was suggesting there's anything bad about men liking Legolas types - after all, he didn't say "Now, I'm not female so I'm not an Orlando Bloom fan". Statistically girls are more likely to be the ones that like Orlando, but nobody has suggested that they are the only ones. I think you're making quite a lot out of a very small innocuous comment. TORN is a very, very inclusive board. We have people here of all genders and faiths and sexualities who do and have spoken up for themselves when necessary, and I don't think there'd have been any comment if a guy had come on and declared his appreciation of Orlando (or Viggo, or Sean Bean, or Elijah, or anyone). I'd like to think TORN is not a board that would marginalise anyone.

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