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TORN EXCLUSIVE: Cate Blanchett, Ken Stott, Sylvester McCoy, Mikael Persbrandt join cast of Peter Jackson’s ‘The Hobbit’
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Dec 8 2010, 4:39am

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Saoirse Ronan is a sure thing! [In reply to] Can't Post

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Dec 8 2010, 4:57am

Post #77 of 146 (6155 views)
Liam Neeson [In reply to] Can't Post

He is an example for he was born in either Ireland or Scottland can never recall which but he is now a American Citizen and lives in New York.


Dec 8 2010, 5:06am

Post #78 of 146 (6053 views)
yes [In reply to] Can't Post

Sadwyn Brophy, Jed's son, played Eldarion.

Jed also played the Orc, Snaga. "Why can't we have some meat?! What about them? They're fresh."

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Dec 8 2010, 5:54am

Post #79 of 146 (6147 views)
Persbrandt is perfect [In reply to] Can't Post

He has a Nordic intensity (sort of a blend of stoicism and insanity) that is just right for a figure that is basically straight out of Norse myth. Perlman, on the other hand, is just a really big goofy looking person.


Dec 8 2010, 5:56am

Post #80 of 146 (6441 views)
The have... [In reply to] Can't Post

...stunt people for that sort of thing.

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Dec 8 2010, 6:16am

Post #81 of 146 (6386 views)
Amazing! *mods WAY up* :D [In reply to] Can't Post

I can't wait to see Galadriel again... screeeeeeeeam! Blush

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Dec 8 2010, 6:16am

Post #82 of 146 (5740 views)
Or Hugo Weaving // [In reply to] Can't Post


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Dec 8 2010, 6:20am

Post #83 of 146 (7126 views)
Yep... he was Sharku :o) [In reply to] Can't Post

Glad to see he'll be getting a more prominent role, or rather, a more substantial role, this time around Cool

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Dec 8 2010, 6:23am

Post #84 of 146 (6856 views)
I always thought he was Mexican... though I don't know why :P // [In reply to] Can't Post


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Dec 8 2010, 6:30am

Post #85 of 146 (5120 views)
Haha... yes... totally seems like he is! :D // [In reply to] Can't Post



Dec 8 2010, 6:37am

Post #86 of 146 (6282 views)
They Will Likely Bring back Lawrence [In reply to] Can't Post

He was the guy who Played Lurtz, the Witch King and Gothmog. Lawrence be a Great Great Goblin.

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Dec 8 2010, 6:40am

Post #87 of 146 (6214 views)
The Great Goblin is a minor role... [In reply to] Can't Post

... if they're casting Lawrence Makaore, I'd personally like to see him have a more substantial role this time around, a role such as Bolg.

Oh what I wouldn't give to see this huge "Lawrence" Orc battling furiously at the Battle of Five Armies! That would be just way too awesome for me Cool

(This post was edited by Earl on Dec 8 2010, 6:41am)


Dec 8 2010, 6:48am

Post #88 of 146 (6590 views)
He'll be under a ton of prosthetics. [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't see any reason why they can't make him look as old as he needs to be.

And are we sure Thorin is the oldest of the dwarves? Balin was with him when Smaug destroyed Laketown and took over the mountain. Why couldn't he be older?

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Dec 8 2010, 7:32am

Post #89 of 146 (4805 views)
"Far enough for the drowing..." [In reply to] Can't Post

Bilbo's journey took place 60 years before the events of LotR. Frodo turned 33 at the Long Expected Party. You do the math.

Not that this wouldn't be the first time a filmmaker fiddled with the timeline, but I still disapprove. Mad

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Dec 8 2010, 8:23am

Post #90 of 146 (5223 views)
Drogo for the White Council? [In reply to] Can't Post

Why would he have anything to do with that?


Dec 8 2010, 8:50am

Post #91 of 146 (6075 views)
I'm not petitioning anyone about Thorin..... [In reply to] Can't Post

Richard Armitage is a fine actor - not one I would have envisaged for Thorin, but as several people have pointed out, he looks exactly like John Howe and Alan Lee's Thorin illustrations and this is just what I meant by unpredictable casting. It means they've put a particular interpretation on Thorin which isn't the obvious one and that's intriguing. No one can know if they like it or not until we see the film, but I'd place bets on Richard Armitage having the gravitas and the presence to make a really good Thorin when the time comes.


Dec 8 2010, 9:17am

Post #92 of 146 (5717 views)
Ken Stott was in the 2005 film Casanova [In reply to] Can't Post

Great news!I knew Ken Stott's face from the 2005's Casanova, but not his name.Still waiting for the rest of that casting


Dec 8 2010, 9:51am

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Exciting! [In reply to] Can't Post

Although I don't recognise all of the names of the dwarve's cast, I do trust PJ & co that they know what they're doing.

Persbrandt for Beorn -Hoorah! To all those who are in doubt -don't be!

Can't wait for the Bard announcement! And I do hope they land Hugo for Elrond!

But one thing, isn't the pace of the Hobbit (as in the book) disrupted by side stories such as Radagast and Gandalf and perhaps Sauruman
battling Sauron, Drogo -and who know what else? Is that to say that the Hobbit in itself is to thin a story to make a film (or 2) out of? Is there
really a need for those stories to make the Hobbit movie? Nice to see, sure, but neccessary? Movie name shoudl be The Hobbit -and other tales from middle earth Wink

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Dec 8 2010, 12:14pm

Post #94 of 146 (5599 views)
Awesome news ... keep it comin ! :-) //. [In reply to] Can't Post



Dec 8 2010, 1:20pm

Post #95 of 146 (4485 views)
What a list of names! Again! [In reply to] Can't Post

Much nicer than having itty bitty announcements Smile
Cate Blanchett seemed a given to me if they were gonna do a White Council storyline. I'm not worrying about Sir Ian or Andy, and I would expect Hugo Weaving to return too. Sylvester McCoy was pretty much announced already, looks like a wizard, should be great. I only know Ken Scott from King Arthur (though I didn't know his name), I'm happy the actor for Balin doesn't have a too typical dwarf look while still looking like dwarf, if that makes sense. Don't know Mikael Persbrandt but he looks like he could be a great Beorn. I´ll be quite anxious to see how this turns out, Beorn is quite an important character to me. Never heard of Jed Brophy but like everyone here I've seen him in quite a number of things apparently. William Kircher looks like he was born to play a dwarf so good choice for Bifur I would think. And Drogo... I don´t even know how old he is supposed to be in the book. And in the movie? I suppose he could have a very minor role but I think that since he has had this sort of announcement his role will have some substance. And then, Thranduil, Smaug and Bart for Christmas? Could be a very nice surprise indeed.

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Dec 8 2010, 1:39pm

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Well for me [In reply to] Can't Post

It's kind of a case of how far can you go down the 'maverick' casting decisions before you lose the essence of the character you're trying to cast. With some it works- i thought Elijah Wood made a very good Frodo (well at least in the first film after which he became a bit wet and wobbly), his innocence kind of fitted the nature of the character, despite arguably being too young for the role. Alan Lee wrote in his published sketchbook that he depicts Frodo as being 'in a state of indeterminate youth, alongside Gandalf's indeterminate old age' - there is certainly a degree of tolerance within the romanticised aging patterns and longevities of Tolkien's characters and races (shouldn't it perhaps properly be 'species'?) for our own interpretation as to how old these people should be. With Thorin there is a similar tolerance, but it is quite plain that this is a dwarf past his prime and so should be portrayed by someone similarly past their prime.

While the argument runs that a good actor can play whatever age they like and that under three inches of prosthetics you won't be able to tell who or what age the actor playing a dwarf is, i do believe you will be able to tell the difference, even if the film-makers stuck religiously to the character as written (which given their casting choice it seems they haven't). Richard Armitage may be a great actor, he may have gravitas and authority, but that is by the standards of his own age. He would make a perfectly good Middle-earth action hero of whatever description- there was sound reasoning behind people wanting him for Bard, even if it would have been rather typecasting (something that i fear has already been done with Martin Freeman as Bilbo), but he has not experienced the period of life which Thorin is in. I'm going to stick my neck out here since i don't know for sure, but i'd say it's a lot easier for an actor to play younger than their true age than older.

Right, well this so far has been all about the relation to age and the character, but there are other factors here. The first is the one that is perhaps the most unfair- that it seems that history is repeating itself. The story of Stuart Townsend's ill-fated casting as Aragorn is now pretty infamous, but while we would assume that people learn from the mistakes of the past, here we are ten years later and it seems that Peter Jackson is making that exact same error of judgement. For the first and possibly only live action film of The Hobbit we are likely to see, are you willing to gamble the interpretation of a beloved and pivotal lead character on a maverick casting decision? Now i don't want to send Richard Armitage home, contract in shreds, bad feeling all round, but for the sake of increasing my confidence in a solid take on our lead dwarf I would beg the filmmakers (not that it really does much good) to give Richard Armitage a consolation prize (hell if he really wants to play a dwarf give him Dain- at least then he can explore it without possibly falling short with Thorin (so to speak)) and recast Thorin with someone a bit more fitting. While i'm all for dark horses in the casting race, i would prefer a horse that was actually listed as running in the Thorin 02/11.

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Dec 8 2010, 1:48pm

Post #97 of 146 (4915 views)
Wow! What a list!I [In reply to] Can't Post

I can't believe that the Swedish actor is going to be Beorn, I would have sworn he was going to be the Elven King.

Drogo, hum? Interesting, interesting... I'll wait before making any assumptions or calling foul. I would be surprised if he had a huge role.

They must still be working out Ian's and Andy's contracts XD And I can't believe Bard and the Elven King have yet to be announced...

Still, all very exciting!

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Runk Snusgrop

Dec 8 2010, 2:19pm

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Re: TORN EXCLUSIVE: Cate Blanchett, Ken Stott, Sylvester McCoy, Mikael Persbrandt join cast of Peter Jackson’s ‘The Hobbit’ [In reply to] Can't Post

Wow, Persbrandt as Beorn! Did not see that coming! At all. But he'll be great I'm sure. He's been on the verge of breaking into the international market for years, but according to himself Peter Stormare always seemed to pinch whatever roles he auditioned for. And by that I mean English-speaking market, I know he has quite a few fans in Germany thanks to the Beck films.

He has a lot more range than people give him credit for, he doesn't always play the hardnosed macho badass. See the underrated and overlooked Bang Bang Orangutang (2005) for proof of this.

I just saw him the other day in Dödlig Drift (eng. Deathly Compulsion) where he played a spolied upper-class brat who raped and killed woman, basically out of boredom, for lack of anything better to do. Terrible film, but he was brilliant. He rivalled Kevin Spacey in Seven and Peter Lorre in M for the #1 spot of creepiest movie serial killer.

(This post was edited by Runk Snusgrop on Dec 8 2010, 2:22pm)

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Dec 8 2010, 2:22pm

Post #99 of 146 (4528 views)
Not what I said... [In reply to] Can't Post

I didn't say Drogo would be ON the White Council, did I? I said that Drogo, Radagast, and Galadrial are first officially-cast characters who will be taking part in the "Necromancer/White Council" B-plot...

Samuel L. Jackson for Bilbo, Woody Allen for Thorin, Lewis Black for Bard and Gilbert Gottfried for Smaug!


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Dec 8 2010, 2:24pm

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'What's the point?' [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't think we should ask such questions until we have seen the film and can judge for ourselves what the point of the Mayor's addition was.

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