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Dec 7 2010, 3:45pm
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TORN EXCLUSIVE: Cate Blanchett, Ken Stott, Sylvester McCoy, Mikael Persbrandt join cast of Peter Jackson’s ‘The Hobbit’
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Los Angeles, December 7, 2010
Cate Blanchett, Ken Stott, Sylvester McCoy and Mikael Persbrandt have joined the cast of Peter Jackson’s highly anticipated adaptation of J.R.R. Tolkien’s epic ‘The Hobbit.’ Also joining them are Ryan Gage, Jed Brophy and William Kircher. The films, which are scheduled to commence principal photography in February 2011, mark Jackson’s return to Middle-earth following his Oscar-winning ‘Lord of the Rings’ trilogy. The announcement was made jointly today by Toby Emmerich, President and Chief Operating Officer, New Line Cinema, Alan Horn, President and Chief Operating Officer, Warner Bros. and Steve Cooper, co-Chief Executive Officer of Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Inc.
Jackson, who directed all three ‘Lord of the Rings’ films, will helm the two films back-to-back, telling the story of ‘The Hobbit’ in two parts from a screenplay by Jackson, Fran Walsh, Philippa Boyens and Guillermo del Toro.
Cate Blanchett (‘Lord of The Rings’ trilogy, ‘The Curious Case of Benjamin Button’) will reprise her role from ‘Lord of The Rings’ trilogy as Galadriel, the Lady of Lothlorien. Ken Stott (‘Charlie Wilson’s War’, TV’s ‘Rebus’) will play the Dwarf Lord Balin, Sylvester McCoy (TV’s ‘Doctor Who’) will play the wizard Radagast the Brown and well-known Swedish actor Mikael Persbrandt (‘Everlasting Moments’, ‘Day and Night’) will play the shape-shifter Beorn. British actor Ryan Gage (‘Outlaw’, TV’s ‘Doctors’) will play Drogo Baggins, with New Zealand actors Jed Brophy (‘Lord of The Rings’ trilogy, ‘District 9’) playing the role of the dwarf Nori, and William Kircher (‘Out of the Blue’; TV’s ‘Legend of the Seeker’) rounding out the company of Thorin Oakensheild in role of the dwarf Bifur.
Peter Jackson welcomed the news of Cate Blanchett’s return to Middle-earth. “Cate is one of my favorite actors to work with and I couldn’t be more thrilled to have her reprise the role she so beautifully brought to life in the earlier films.” On the casting of Scottish actor Ken Stott, Jackson commented, “Fran and I have long been fans of Ken’s work and are excited he will be joining us on this journey.” Jackson also welcomed the addition to the cast of Swedish actor Mikael Persbrandt. “The role of Beorn is an iconic one and Mikael was our first choice for the part. Since seeing him read for the role we can’t imagine anyone else playing this character.”
The actors join the previously announced cast including Martin Freeman (TV’s ‘Sherlock,’ ‘Breaking and Entering’) as Bilbo Baggins, Richard Armitage (upcoming ‘Captain America: The First Avenger’), Aidan Turner (TV’s ‘Being Human’), Rob Kazinsky (TVs ‘EastEnders’), Graham McTavish (‘Secretariat’), John Callen (TV’s ‘Power Rangers Jungle Fury’), Stephen Hunter (TV’s ‘All Saints’), Mark Hadlow (‘King Kong’) and Peter Hambleton (TV’s ‘The Strip’). Additional cast announcements include James Nesbitt (‘Millions’ and TV’s ‘Cold Feet’) and newcomer Adam Brown.
Since ‘The Hobbit’ films received a green light on October 15, pre-production has been in full swing with release dates targeted for December, 2012 and December, 2013. Jackson will utilize groundbreaking visual effects and his incomparable storytelling to bring J.R.R. Tolkien’s novel to the big screen. Both ‘Hobbit’ movies will be filmed in Digital 3-D, using the latest camera and stereo technology to create a high quality, comfortable viewing experience.
The two films are being co-produced by New Line Cinema and MGM, with New Line managing production, Warner Bros Pictures handling domestic distribution and MGM distributing internationally.
Peter Jackson, Fran Walsh and Carolynne Cunningham are producing the films, with co-writer Philippa Boyens serving as co-producer and Ken Kamins and Zane Weiner as executive producers. The Oscar-winning, critically acclaimed ‘The Lord of the Rings’ trilogy, also from the production team of Jackson, Walsh and Cunningham, grossed nearly $3 billion worldwide at the box office. In 2003, ‘The Return of the King’ swept the Academy Awards, winning all of the 11 categories in which it was nominated, including Best Picture – the first ever Best Picture win for a fantasy film. The trilogy’s production was also unprecedented at the time.
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ABOUT PETER JACKSON/WINGNUT FILMS:
Peter Jackson is one of the world's most successful filmmakers. His monumental achievement co-writing, co-producing and directing The Lord of the Rings trilogy (with fellow Academy Award winners and frequent collaborators Fran Walsh and Philippa Boyens) earned a total of 30 Academy Award nominations and 17 Academy Awards. Jackson and Walsh received their first Oscar nomination for Best Original Screenplay for their acclaimed film Heavenly Creatures. Jackson, through his New Zealand-based Wingnut Films banner, also was responsible for the globally successful 2005 remake of King Kong which earned over $500 million worldwide and 3 Academy Awards. Jackson most recently directed the Academy Award nominated The Lovely Bones; an adaptation of the acclaimed best-selling novel by Alice Sebold, which to date has earned nearly $100 million worldwide; and produced the global sensation, District 9, which received an Academy Award nomination for Best Picture. He is also developing a trilogy of films with Steven Spielberg based on Tintin, the world renowned comic book series by Herge. In 2010 he received a Knighthood for his services to film.
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Oiotári
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Dec 7 2010, 8:55pm
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that Mikael Persbrandt is cast as Beorn. I don't know much (ie: anything) about him, but the front page poll right know shows Beorn as 12.69% and the Elvenking leading at 44.42%
Other than that... Hurrah for known roles 
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Dec 7 2010, 8:56pm
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and once again I know none of the names on that list except that of Sylvester McCoy's. I am glad we finally have a full band of dwarves and a Beorn though. On the flip side why is Drogo there? Oddness.
if more of us valued food and good cheer above gold and jewels. it would be a merrier world.
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Lindele
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Dec 7 2010, 9:02pm
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Exciting times we live in!!!
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Ataahua
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Dec 7 2010, 9:07pm
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the White Council’s inclusion in the films looks like a dead cert. Which means we should get to see the Necromancer’s home in Mirkwood.
Can’t wait!
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
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Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
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hutch
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Dec 7 2010, 9:11pm
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Dec 7 2010, 9:12pm
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I wanna see more Cate in this cause like to see her an Ian McKellan in a scene other then the ending in return of th king. What do we know the Guy playing Balin. Does have a Dwarf face. He looks kinda like JRD.
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Flagg
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Dec 7 2010, 9:13pm
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That's a major cluster of bombshells dropped on us just there. I'll have to contemplate this for a few hours. Well, it's terrific that we have confirmation of Cate Blanchett/Galadriel's return. I have to admit, I am sort of disappointed that the new additions are all people I've never heard of, but I'm sure they'll all do well if Peter Jackson chose them.
I have to say, I'm puzzled by the casting of Persbrandt as Beorn – I thought Ron Perlman was perfect, and Perpsbrandt really seems out of left field. But Jackson says he's great, so I suppose I'll take his word for it. Maybe it will be another Heath Ledger/Joker situation (the unconventianal but brilliant casting part, not the untimely death part).
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Dec 7 2010, 9:16pm
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Jed Brophy is Nori! Excellent!
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He's a great guy, and it's good to see a Kiwi in a prominent role.
Love all the other cast announcements, too!
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Dec 7 2010, 9:20pm
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I don't like this Drogo news...
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I'm not one for bridging the films. I personally just want The Hobbit as it is in the book, even the Necromancer is pushing it for me.
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macfalk
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Dec 7 2010, 9:21pm
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Observations
Cate back, great! I started to wonder.
McCoy looks like a good addition for Radagast
Ken Stott I have no idea of, but I'm sure he's fine.
Persbrandt as BEORN. And with PJ's comments there, wow, could definately not see this coming. But I have faith in PJ (and he has just about secured The Hobbit's sucess here in Sweden thanks to this)
But where is Sir Ian?
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hutch
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Dec 7 2010, 9:28pm
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to see unknown faces. no movie star distractions. i like being introduced to actors i never heard of from other countries. as an American i can sometimes forget that other countries have actors of their own and are as good (if not better) than our big stars here. i'm actually really glad 'Hellboy' isnt in TH.i'm sure the actors will do well and we'll get more actors and films to know as a result of being introduced to them via iconic roles.
i just love that the roles, not the actors, are what are iconic here and now (though the actors may become iconic afterwards).
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nobofthepony
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Dec 7 2010, 9:30pm
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Jed Brophy played the orc that helped Aragorn ride a warg off the cliff in TT, right??
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Lindele
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Dec 7 2010, 9:32pm
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Garfeimao
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Dec 7 2010, 9:33pm
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And William Kircher is also from New Zealand, while Ryan Gage is another fresh, young actor from the UK. Again with the mixing of well established names, newbies, and then some experienced actors from other countries. This is going to be another global community, how fun.
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carrioncrow
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Dec 7 2010, 9:37pm
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I like the look of the Balin actor, not as flinty as i had in mind, but definitely suitable for the company's senior member and throin's consigliere
No she-dwarves. well, that settles it . Let us proceed
(and i don't have to eat my hat over the Beorn casting. Bring on the Bees!!
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Dec 7 2010, 9:42pm
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- I'm glad to see Cate Blanchett is returning.
- I'm disheartened by the lack of Ian McKellen.
- Other than Cate Blanchett, I am unfamiliar with all of these actors (even McCoy), so I'm once again at the mercy of Mr. Jackson until I see footage. I will say, though, that Kevin Stott looks perfect for a dwarf, and I can see Presbrandt as Beorn (though I admit to having him pegged for Thranduil). Honestly, I'm just happy that I was wrong about Radagast replacing him, so I'll give Presbrandt the benefit of the doubt.
- I personally think the inclusion of Drogo is unnecessary, so I'm not all too thrilled by that.
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Dec 7 2010, 9:59pm
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I thought Cate would never return to Middle-earth after her three weeks of shooting in 2000... but here she is, ten years later! Beautiful. Will we see Lothlorien again? Or will we see her somewhere else this time around? What does this mean for Marton Csokas? Craig Parker?
It's also curious she is the first official returning cast member to be announced. Perhaps they're saving Ian, Andy and Hugo for last?
I think Persbrandt will be a good Beorn. Couldn't see him as Thranduil at all.
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Dec 7 2010, 10:05pm
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...he also played one of the ring wraiths (cloaked mind you) I believe - but yes, played the orc that took Aragorn off the cliff side.
I bet they are holding off on Ian until the last cast announcement. We shall see - but excited by the announcements!
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Dec 7 2010, 10:06pm
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Does this mean we'll have to bring extra tissue boxes? or...
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Daisy Gold
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I am delighted to see 'old friends' returning.
I don't mind these 'extras' being fitted into a film. The book may not have had room for extended scenes were as a film could easily accommodate them.
Drogo is interesting. I wonder if they will also cast a Primula. Maybe they are going to show something of Frodo's early years.
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Dec 7 2010, 10:08pm
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played Stu Guthrie in Out of the Blue - the senior policeman who was the last man shot by David Grey. He's been an actor for a long time and is very good. He's also one of those reappearing faces on NZ screens that locals recognise instantly, but can never put a name to.
They'll be able to in a couple of years now, though! :)
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
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Alex Maglor
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Dec 7 2010, 10:11pm
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Possibly a flashback scene, with Drogo and wife drowning in the river... And Bilbo adopting a young Frodo as a final "and bridge" scene...
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carrioncrow
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Dec 7 2010, 10:26pm
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seeing Persbrandt .
the man has the face of a bear.
I'm saying he has an ursine countenance
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Elentari03
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think there has been a single American actor announced as part of the cast. That is slightly surprising, since last time they had Elijah Wood, Sean Astin, Liv Tyler, and Viggo Mortensen.
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Dec 7 2010, 10:34pm
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I'm disappointed too that there is no official word on Sir Ian McKellan
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But I am certainly glad that Cate Blanchette will be back as Galadriel and maybe we'll see some cool White Council action - showing how they drove the Necromancer/Sauron out of Mirkwood...
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carrioncrow
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Dec 7 2010, 10:37pm
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Does this mean The Old Tooks midsummers eve party might be in the mix
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Oiotári
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Dec 7 2010, 10:39pm
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well there are still open roles to fill
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perhaps there is an american among them
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Dec 7 2010, 10:40pm
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It's also curious she is the first official returning cast member to be announced. Perhaps they're saving Ian, Andy and Hugo for last?
They are arguably the biggest signers and, possibly, at least for agents and completing contracts, the biggest challenge. Certainly the biggest news. I would have included Cate Blanchett in that list, but here she is. I don't know what that says. The only actor who could trump that list is Christropher Lee if they can work that out. The casting announcement of Saruman may be last.
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macfalk
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Dec 7 2010, 10:45pm
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Isn't Mortensen more Danish than American?
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His name is Danish!
The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.
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Pipe Dream
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Dec 7 2010, 10:48pm
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McKellen, Serkis, Weaving...and maybe Lee.
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What's the hold up??? I just don't understand what the problem is. Jed Brophy was a given right?  At the same time I'm glade about Cate and Sly. Is anyone else feeing a little more excited now? Just sign the dream team already!
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My guess is as yours, they'll save him for the last, so when the fans are satisfied seeing their old heroes returning, a new Saruman will be announced til last.
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...played Aragorn and Arwen's son in the Arwen's vision.
Didn't he?
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Well this is a bundle of news. Like others have said, this will take a bit of time to digest.
Starting with the most familiar then- Cate Blanchett, well this really is good news, not that i ever doubted it but nice that she's signed up now- her appearance as Galadriel was proficient enough (i do know that some purists hated it, but as far as i'm concerned it was perfectly good) and it is nice to see some confirmation in terms of casting of the Necromancer subplot.
Ken Stott- Another superb casting choice for a dwarf. While i had hoped to see Bill Bailey somewhere among them, i couldn't possibly turn down Ken Stott in his favour. It does mean i'm still hanging on a recast or a minor miracle for our Thorin, Richard Armitage to satisfy.
Sylvester McCoy- well i wasn't familiar with his Doctor but i've become familiar with him and his CV since he was rumoured, and he seems like he'll do a fine job with Radagast.
Mikael Persbrandt- Not my first choice by any stretch (hadn't even heard of him until TORN reported the rumours). Looks wise i've got my doubts- he isn't your classic hairy Mary as it were- a kind of cross between Kevin Costner and John Simm, but if he builds himself up, piles on the pounds (muscle and flab), grows a decent beard and they give him a wig, yeah, he could have it.
Nice to see Jed Brophy getting a decent 'continuing' role rather than the fits and starts as various ill-fated orcs in LotR, he's a good actor from all appearances and with him as Nori, the young skinny kid as Ori starts to make more sense.
Can't say i know either William Kircher or Ryan Gage but they both look alright for their respective parts. I think more likely than a random showing of Drogo and Primula's death, we might see them developed a bit as characters and their relation to Bilbo, foreshadowing Frodo's adoption by him. Might bring a bit of a downer to that otherwise cheerful part of the tale but we'll see how it's played.
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Apart from Blanchett, McCoy and Brophy
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I've never heard of any of these new names. But I'm okay with that.
I'm not sure what to think about casting Drogo. I should think the film would not cover a long enough time period to get as far as his drowning. Maybe it's a peripheral role, sort of like Rosie Cotton or the Sackville-Bagginses were in LOTR. Familiar names for the rabid NARFs to recognize.
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Dec 7 2010, 10:56pm
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His name is Danish, but I think he was born in the States. Perhaps this is a sign that they are confident the movies will do well without any American Hollywood name (like Tyler and Wood were) attached.
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Dec 7 2010, 10:57pm
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Somehow every announcement ....
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... manages to take me by surprise!
First reaction - doesn't it feel good just having more news? Does to me, anyway. Delighted Cate Blanchett's back - am still longing for confirmation of Ian McKellen, Andy Serkis and Hugo Weaving, but at least no one else has been cast, so maybe their agents are driving a harder bargain.
I'm pleased with all the actors I've heard of who've been named so far and not dismayed that there are so many I haven't. After all, I'd never heard of Peter Jackson before Fellowship, and that turned out more than all right. I also rather like unpredictable casting, because it means that they've taken a different interpretation of the characters and that makes the films a more intriguing prospect.
I think the inclusion of Drogo must mean that there'll be a Primula too - and therefore more Hobbiton scenes than you might expect from the book.
Roll on the next announcement!
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Dec 7 2010, 11:01pm
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Don't forget the Mayor of Michel Delving
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His rumoured presence in the films may give us some clue as to what scenes Drogo and Primula may turn up in.
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Dec 7 2010, 11:04pm
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...Beorn and Radagast are now confirmed as being in the script.
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Dec 7 2010, 11:17pm
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Agree on unpredictable casting...
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It definitely makes things more intriguing. It is a little concerning to hear no news of Sir Ian yet, but I'm optimistic. I guess the studios want leave some news for around Christmas time too, tis the season of giving after all
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Dec 7 2010, 11:33pm
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macfalk: My guess is as yours, they'll save him for the last, so when the fans are satisfied seeing their old heroes returning, a new Saruman will be announced til last.
New Saruman? Heh. If the Saruman announcement is last, it will be Chistopher Lee. The longer it takes, the more likely it is that it will be Lee. A recast Saruman would be anticlimactic - not the stuff that makes for a good cap on casting news - and more likely to be announced sooner than later. The only mitigation to that is if they use Lee's voice and a CGI'd face and acting double.
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Dec 7 2010, 11:35pm
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Glad Cate is back, and glad Beorn is definitely in the script
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Not sure what to make of Drogo. I know we've heard the rumors before now, but now that it's official...
Well, we'll see what happens I guess.
For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much -- the wheel, New York, wars, and so on -- while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man, for precisely the same reasons. -- Douglas Adams
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Ataahua
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Dec 7 2010, 11:44pm
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A recast Saruman would be anticlimatic
If Saruman is recast, my money is on the discussion boards blowing apart.
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
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Ken Stott is a good choice for Balin as well, although I knew the face not the name.
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Dec 7 2010, 11:47pm
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...but not necessarily in a good way.
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I think there are safer and wiser ways of completing a series of casting announcements than with explosive controversy.
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Great to hear Cate Blanchett is back! Also all the other actors seem to fit their parts perfectly.. Excellent cast. Persbrandt was a definite Beorn from the start for me. Now we're just waiting for Sir Ian, Andy Serkis and Hugo Weaving..
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We should do a petition to recast Thorin.
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Now let´s hope that the rest of the cast can be announced until the end of the year! I´m so delighted that we will have Galadriel in the films, hope Hugo Weaving is returning also just as the Celeborn and Haldir characters. My biggest concern right now is definately the Saruman dilema...
I´m not going to even say anything about McKellen since his presence in this films is mandatory!
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Line up a casting list and all weariness shall fall from me!
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I feel so *alive* to be hearing major casting announcements again! After all this time.
Its finally happening. Time to get things done.
I imagine the only roles not really cast yet are the talking animals (Wargs, Eagles, Spiders, Smaug the Dragon), the Trolls, the Orcs, Elves of Mirkwood including King Thranduil, and of course, everyone from Lake-town including Bard.
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Do not worry. Gandalf is back.//
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They are succeeding at keeping everyone's attention.//
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Dec 8 2010, 12:02am
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First I hear about a hobbit Mayor now Frodo's parent. PJ is going all out for these movies, good man.
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Kangi Ska
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I think they should recast Saruman
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so that he can have a more active role in the Dol Guldur events. It would be wise.
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Dec 8 2010, 12:22am
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i just want to say i have no enthusiasm for the idea of "Hobbit Mayor" as a character. What's the point? If we're talking about Mayor of Michel Delving, which one? The office (and the unnamed hobbit who may have held it) play no part in the story. I'd rather see the Thrain or some such...are folks suggesting we'll be seeing some sort of fast forward to Will Whitfoot or Tom Cotton...without The Scouring being part of the film story, i don't care a wit for using a second of THE HOBBIT's running time to tag them.
I don't even know if this 'Mayor' idea is coming from a reliable source.
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Dec 8 2010, 12:23am
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Ken Stott - inspired casting for Balin!
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I had no idea he was in the running, and hadn't for a second imagined him as Balin, but I think he's a wonderful choice. I've enjoyed watching him since first seeing him (I think) in Shallow Grave, and he's had equally gruff, meaty and touching roles before and since then. If he uses his natural accent then his voice will be ideal, having a natural Scots burr, and his eyes are wonderfully expressive. This is the casting I'm most excited about, though it's great also to see Blanchett and Brophy return, and as a DW fan I couldn't say no to Sylvester McCoy either!
And speaking of Doctor Who - for anyone mouring the lack of David Tennant in this line-up, you can at least watch him alongside Ken Stott in Takin' Over the Asylum :)
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Dec 8 2010, 12:30am
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The casting of Drogo is great news to me...
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as I think this is most likely the last Middle-earth movie to be made for many years, so I want to see all that occurred in that world. I don't care to see any made-up stuff, but if it happened I don't mind seeing it stuck in these movies as opposed to just something that was only mentioned in passing in one or the other of the books. I know sometimes stuff has to change (i.e.Glorfindel/Arwen), but as long as that's kept to a minimum I'd like to see whatever true Middle-earth stuff they can fit in these two movies.
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Kangi Ska
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I have to trust Peter on this one.
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He must see something that he has in mind. There is also makeup. Thorin is the oldest of the Dwarves.
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The more Middle Earth the better.
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I agree, Kangi. I am going to have to trust him too, because...
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I see this as a tremendously lost opportunity to see Armitage as Bard. But we have trusted him this far and he has not led us astray. Aw, I just had to quote Legolas here.
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I am very pleased Cate is back, and I know who Jed Brophy is, but other than that, these folks are strangers to me. I also didn't know who Orlando Bloom, Viggo, Dom, Billy, or Elijah were when FOTR was released. Now they are a part of my consciousness, and I often see their faces when I read the book. Not having "big" names ( be they foreign or domestic to me...) gives the movie going public in general, and Tolkien fans in specific, a better chance of enjoying Peter's story telling. I trust Peter even though I won't agree with every decision he makes.
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Dec 8 2010, 1:13am
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Thorin clearly is not going to be the oldest of the Dwarves in the films
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I don't think there is any question that the casting of Armitage signals that they are going to change that detail. It makes no sense to cast a much younger actor than for some of the other dwarves, and then use makeup to make him seem older. Moreover, Jackson flat out stated that they were going to make Thorin a hunky type character to rival Legolas and Aragorn from LOTR.
Whether they can do that and still achieve the gravitas that Thorin needs to bring to the role, I don't know. I have my doubts, but I am still keeping an open mind. But anyone who expects Thorin to be the oldest of the Dwarves is bound to be disappointed, I'm sorry to say.
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Dec 8 2010, 2:04am
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JWPlatt: A recast Saruman [as the final casting announcement] would be anticlimatic Ataahua: If Saruman is recast, my money is on the discussion boards blowing apart.
I was speaking in terms of global press, not in terms of the relatively tiny sample of avids here.
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Dec 8 2010, 2:06am
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He did a good job with that role.
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I am excited to see what he does as a dwarf.
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Dec 8 2010, 2:09am
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He had to be in it somewhere, didn't he? And buried under prosthetics as usual.
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Dec 8 2010, 2:31am
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I think he was also the orc that got eaten by the uruk-hai on the edge of Fangorn and possibly the orc with the whip that put Frodo and Sam in the orc army in Mordor. And I think he was the Rohan soldier that found Theodred and possibly a random elf somewhere.
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Oh, well, in that case you're thoroughly correct.
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I sometimes forget there's a world outside this computer screen. 
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
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Dec 8 2010, 2:56am
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Everyone beat me to it - but happy to get more casting news. And particularly happy about Cate Blanchett. Wonderful to hear. Now ... three big names we need to ensure are back.
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Dec 8 2010, 3:34am
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Wonderful to see the cast filling out!
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They all look very suited to their roles. Actually, the band of Dwarves didn't turn out too badly at all; with the exception of Armitage, Turner, Kazinski, and Brown, they look like Dwarves, (and the other four will add some much-needed variety to the assemblage)...
I always had a feeling Jed would end up as a Dwarf. I actually had my money of Bifur, but close enough! 
Great to have Cate back...so, the "Necromancer/White Council" cast is shaping up as well...Drogo, Radagast and Galadrial so far...
BTW, Balin looks suspiciously like Rowan Atkinson!
Samuel L. Jackson for Bilbo, Woody Allen for Thorin, Lewis Black for Bard and Gilbert Gottfried for Smaug!
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My guess is that Peter and all the producers figure Ian is an obvious assured casting and maybe doesn't need announcing and Andy Serkis is obviously gonna happen cause he and Peter are buddies.
All thats left is Dain, Bard, Smaugs Voice and The Elf King. If there is a female Elf who helps Bilbo likely be an unknown and not the Girl From Lovely Bones.
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Boy I hope they go with Fassbender as Bard -he would be perfect!
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Names don't mean a thing in a nation of immigrants; nearly all American names have their origins somewhere else. Viggo is half and half by heritage, but he was born in the US, and is therefore an American citizen. He spent his childhood in Argentina, and a few young adult years in Denmark, but his teens and most of his adult years living in New York and L.A. He qualifies as American.
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Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you." -On Fairy Stories
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A man of the world , if I may say so.//
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Kangi Ska
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Saoirse Ronan is a sure thing!
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Elfwench Warrior Woman lives!
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TheGoblinKing
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He is an example for he was born in either Ireland or Scottland can never recall which but he is now a American Citizen and lives in New York.
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He has a Nordic intensity (sort of a blend of stoicism and insanity) that is just right for a figure that is basically straight out of Norse myth. Perlman, on the other hand, is just a really big goofy looking person.
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...stunt people for that sort of thing.
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I can't wait to see Galadriel again... screeeeeeeeam! 
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Glad to see he'll be getting a more prominent role, or rather, a more substantial role, this time around
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I always thought he was Mexican... though I don't know why :P //
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Haha... yes... totally seems like he is! :D //
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They Will Likely Bring back Lawrence
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He was the guy who Played Lurtz, the Witch King and Gothmog. Lawrence be a Great Great Goblin.
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The Great Goblin is a minor role...
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... if they're casting Lawrence Makaore, I'd personally like to see him have a more substantial role this time around, a role such as Bolg.
Oh what I wouldn't give to see this huge "Lawrence" Orc battling furiously at the Battle of Five Armies! That would be just way too awesome for me
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He'll be under a ton of prosthetics.
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I don't see any reason why they can't make him look as old as he needs to be.
And are we sure Thorin is the oldest of the dwarves? Balin was with him when Smaug destroyed Laketown and took over the mountain. Why couldn't he be older?
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"Far enough for the drowing..."
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Bilbo's journey took place 60 years before the events of LotR. Frodo turned 33 at the Long Expected Party. You do the math.
Not that this wouldn't be the first time a filmmaker fiddled with the timeline, but I still disapprove. 
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Why would he have anything to do with that?
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I'm not petitioning anyone about Thorin.....
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Richard Armitage is a fine actor - not one I would have envisaged for Thorin, but as several people have pointed out, he looks exactly like John Howe and Alan Lee's Thorin illustrations and this is just what I meant by unpredictable casting. It means they've put a particular interpretation on Thorin which isn't the obvious one and that's intriguing. No one can know if they like it or not until we see the film, but I'd place bets on Richard Armitage having the gravitas and the presence to make a really good Thorin when the time comes.
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Ken Stott was in the 2005 film Casanova
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Great news!I knew Ken Stott's face from the 2005's Casanova, but not his name.Still waiting for the rest of that casting
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Although I don't recognise all of the names of the dwarve's cast, I do trust PJ & co that they know what they're doing.
Persbrandt for Beorn -Hoorah! To all those who are in doubt -don't be!
Can't wait for the Bard announcement! And I do hope they land Hugo for Elrond!
But one thing, isn't the pace of the Hobbit (as in the book) disrupted by side stories such as Radagast and Gandalf and perhaps Sauruman
battling Sauron, Drogo -and who know what else? Is that to say that the Hobbit in itself is to thin a story to make a film (or 2) out of? Is there
really a need for those stories to make the Hobbit movie? Nice to see, sure, but neccessary? Movie name shoudl be The Hobbit -and other tales from middle earth
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Awesome news ... keep it comin ! :-) //.
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Much nicer than having itty bitty announcements
Cate Blanchett seemed a given to me if they were gonna do a White Council storyline. I'm not worrying about Sir Ian or Andy, and I would expect Hugo Weaving to return too. Sylvester McCoy was pretty much announced already, looks like a wizard, should be great. I only know Ken Scott from King Arthur (though I didn't know his name), I'm happy the actor for Balin doesn't have a too typical dwarf look while still looking like dwarf, if that makes sense. Don't know Mikael Persbrandt but he looks like he could be a great Beorn. I´ll be quite anxious to see how this turns out, Beorn is quite an important character to me. Never heard of Jed Brophy but like everyone here I've seen him in quite a number of things apparently. William Kircher looks like he was born to play a dwarf so good choice for Bifur I would think. And Drogo... I don´t even know how old he is supposed to be in the book. And in the movie? I suppose he could have a very minor role but I think that since he has had this sort of announcement his role will have some substance. And then, Thranduil, Smaug and Bart for Christmas? Could be a very nice surprise indeed.
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It's kind of a case of how far can you go down the 'maverick' casting decisions before you lose the essence of the character you're trying to cast. With some it works- i thought Elijah Wood made a very good Frodo (well at least in the first film after which he became a bit wet and wobbly), his innocence kind of fitted the nature of the character, despite arguably being too young for the role. Alan Lee wrote in his published sketchbook that he depicts Frodo as being 'in a state of indeterminate youth, alongside Gandalf's indeterminate old age' - there is certainly a degree of tolerance within the romanticised aging patterns and longevities of Tolkien's characters and races (shouldn't it perhaps properly be 'species'?) for our own interpretation as to how old these people should be. With Thorin there is a similar tolerance, but it is quite plain that this is a dwarf past his prime and so should be portrayed by someone similarly past their prime.
While the argument runs that a good actor can play whatever age they like and that under three inches of prosthetics you won't be able to tell who or what age the actor playing a dwarf is, i do believe you will be able to tell the difference, even if the film-makers stuck religiously to the character as written (which given their casting choice it seems they haven't). Richard Armitage may be a great actor, he may have gravitas and authority, but that is by the standards of his own age. He would make a perfectly good Middle-earth action hero of whatever description- there was sound reasoning behind people wanting him for Bard, even if it would have been rather typecasting (something that i fear has already been done with Martin Freeman as Bilbo), but he has not experienced the period of life which Thorin is in. I'm going to stick my neck out here since i don't know for sure, but i'd say it's a lot easier for an actor to play younger than their true age than older.
Right, well this so far has been all about the relation to age and the character, but there are other factors here. The first is the one that is perhaps the most unfair- that it seems that history is repeating itself. The story of Stuart Townsend's ill-fated casting as Aragorn is now pretty infamous, but while we would assume that people learn from the mistakes of the past, here we are ten years later and it seems that Peter Jackson is making that exact same error of judgement. For the first and possibly only live action film of The Hobbit we are likely to see, are you willing to gamble the interpretation of a beloved and pivotal lead character on a maverick casting decision? Now i don't want to send Richard Armitage home, contract in shreds, bad feeling all round, but for the sake of increasing my confidence in a solid take on our lead dwarf I would beg the filmmakers (not that it really does much good) to give Richard Armitage a consolation prize (hell if he really wants to play a dwarf give him Dain- at least then he can explore it without possibly falling short with Thorin (so to speak)) and recast Thorin with someone a bit more fitting. While i'm all for dark horses in the casting race, i would prefer a horse that was actually listed as running in the Thorin 02/11.
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I can't believe that the Swedish actor is going to be Beorn, I would have sworn he was going to be the Elven King.
Drogo, hum? Interesting, interesting... I'll wait before making any assumptions or calling foul. I would be surprised if he had a huge role.
They must still be working out Ian's and Andy's contracts XD And I can't believe Bard and the Elven King have yet to be announced...
Still, all very exciting!
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Re: TORN EXCLUSIVE: Cate Blanchett, Ken Stott, Sylvester McCoy, Mikael Persbrandt join cast of Peter Jackson’s ‘The Hobbit’
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Wow, Persbrandt as Beorn! Did not see that coming! At all. But he'll be great I'm sure. He's been on the verge of breaking into the international market for years, but according to himself Peter Stormare always seemed to pinch whatever roles he auditioned for. And by that I mean English-speaking market, I know he has quite a few fans in Germany thanks to the Beck films.
He has a lot more range than people give him credit for, he doesn't always play the hardnosed macho badass. See the underrated and overlooked Bang Bang Orangutang (2005) for proof of this.
I just saw him the other day in Dödlig Drift (eng. Deathly Compulsion) where he played a spolied upper-class brat who raped and killed woman, basically out of boredom, for lack of anything better to do. Terrible film, but he was brilliant. He rivalled Kevin Spacey in Seven and Peter Lorre in M for the #1 spot of creepiest movie serial killer.
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Dec 8 2010, 2:22pm
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I didn't say Drogo would be ON the White Council, did I? I said that Drogo, Radagast, and Galadrial are first officially-cast characters who will be taking part in the "Necromancer/White Council" B-plot...
Samuel L. Jackson for Bilbo, Woody Allen for Thorin, Lewis Black for Bard and Gilbert Gottfried for Smaug!
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Flagg
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Dec 8 2010, 2:24pm
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I don't think we should ask such questions until we have seen the film and can judge for ourselves what the point of the Mayor's addition was.
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Kangi Ska
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Dec 8 2010, 2:26pm
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And they recast when the actor no longer suits the Role, as with Bilbo.//
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Flagg
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Dec 8 2010, 2:30pm
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While I admit I preferred Guillermo del Toro's choices of Brian Blessed and Ian McShane, making a petition to get rid of Richard Armitage would be disrespectful to both him and Peter Jackson.
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Dec 8 2010, 2:35pm
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i think they will give us the big names one by one!
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wonderful to see cate again!!!
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Dec 8 2010, 2:44pm
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What makes you so sure Drogo is part of the White Council plot, as opposed to simply appearing in the Shire scenes?
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Dec 8 2010, 2:50pm
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He's been listed as a "lead"...
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And it makes sense...they'll need characters to flesh-out the "B-plot", other than just Gandalf and the White Council. Drogo simply appearing in the Shire would be a "bit player", and none of the other cast they've announced have fallen into that category. It wouldn't make sense to announce the lead roles, major supporting characters, and then a guy who's there for two scenes.
BTW, I have no evidence for this of course, but I'd bet money when they films come out, it will start with Bilbo and Drogo in the Shire, Bilbo will get swept up in the Dwarves' quest, Drogo will be caught up in dealing with the Necromancer, and they'll meet up again at the Battle of the Five Armies.
Or not. But maybe. Or possibly not. Or something?
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Kangi Ska
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Dec 8 2010, 2:54pm
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I would see the Great Goblin more like Jabba the Hutt than an Uruk Hi.
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Lawrence Makoare would be Blog.
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Flagg
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Dec 8 2010, 2:59pm
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were the casting announcements made last time round? Did they start with the major characters and then work their way down? Or was it more random and unpredictable (like this seems to be)?
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Dec 8 2010, 3:02pm
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That is a possibility, but I don't think we can take it to the bank just yet
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My hope is that the whole thing will done as Bilbo telling his story to young Hobbits Princess-Bride style, with frequent cuts back to current events in the Shire to provide bridging material to LotR. If this is the case, Drogo and Primula's parts could be leads even if they are confined to the Shire scenes.
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Kangi Ska
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Dec 8 2010, 3:05pm
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The Great White Wizard Drogo Baggins! I would bet that the writers have cooked up some scenario that will take place at Hobbiton and may partially play at the beginning of movie one & conclude with the auction near the end of movie two.
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dave_lf
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I think it would be straying dangerously close to fan-fiction to include a Hobbit--any Hobbit--in the other storyline. It would also be redundant. We're already doing the little guy in over his head thing with Bilbo; why diminish that by repeating it with a parallel character?
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Dec 8 2010, 3:26pm
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They will stretch the whole Hobbit and make tthem like The Two Towers and ROTK. The focus point will be Gandalf and we will switch back to Bilbo and The Dwarvs while we get the White Council and things Going on which is called wizard matters.
In this way you can connect things with LOTR and still make it Bilbo's Journey.
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Dec 8 2010, 3:37pm
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All the right people are coming back so far and I love the unknowns (to me). This means they'll own the roles and I won't be thinking of other characters they've played. What can I say I'm weak-minded.
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Dec 8 2010, 3:44pm
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Imagine if Stuart Townsend had been cast as Aragorn. We would not know how much better the movies would have been if Viggo had been cast instead. This did not happen and we got a happy ending. Now this is happening again and we might not get a happy ending. Imagine someone saying in a parallel universe "Imagine if Thorin had not been recast. We would not know how much better the movies would have been."
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Dec 8 2010, 3:51pm
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I wasn't sure about Richard Armitage until i saw this drawing  
I mean look at the face... that's pretty spot on..
I know the drawing is just John Howes take on the character but still....
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Dec 8 2010, 4:32pm
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This is by far the best post. Thanks for the comparison, it seals the deal for Richard as far as I'm concerned
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Dec 8 2010, 5:38pm
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A bearded photo.....obviously PJ saw something that rang true Beorn
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http://www.svd.se/kulturnoje/nyheter/med-egna-ord-mikael-persbrandt_1777285.svd
http://iphone.film.nu/nyheter/148/intervju-mikael-persbrandt-berlins-filmfestival/
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Re: A bearded photo.....obviously PJ saw something that rang true Beorn
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Your post is really stretching the board (at least for me) so you might wanna edit your post and add this link instead: http://www.svd.se/...rsbrandt_373895b.jpg
A good pic, and PJ's remark on how well he auditioned sounds about right to me. Persbrandt is a big guy and can be really imposing and intimidating if he wants to be, and I am 90% sure that's what won PJ over. I can totally see Persbrandt bringing that threatening quality that Beorn has when the company first meets him.
He'll be great.
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Dec 8 2010, 7:18pm
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Awesome find! Cast looks great btw!
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I wasn't sure about Richard Armitage until i saw this drawing
I mean look at the face... that's pretty spot on..
I know the drawing is just John Howes take on the character but still....
Wow! Awesome find.. Yes I'd say there's an incredible resemblance going on there. I'm sure all the casting choices are spot on.. I trust them.
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I'm totally sold visually anways.. i have not seen the guy act.. but he looks the part !
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not sure if I like it or not or how likely it is, but still intriguing
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Dec 8 2010, 11:23pm
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Love the image and it's a great match with Richard, but I found it striking that the helm is what ended up being for Rohan. Then again, who says the Rohirrim didn't hire dwarven smiths?
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is a trophy of war. 
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Kangi Ska
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Dec 9 2010, 12:24am
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The helm is very close to an actual Viking helmet.
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Notice the lack of the equine details of Rohan's helmets which were also based on the Vikings.
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Dec 9 2010, 12:29am
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There's a family tree in Appendix A of LOTR. Thorin was born in 2746, Balin in 2763.
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mykonos
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Dec 9 2010, 6:02am
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Imagine if Stuart Townsend had been cast as Aragorn. We would not know how much better the movies would have been if Viggo had been cast instead. This did not happen and we got a happy ending. Now this is happening again and we might not get a happy ending. Imagine someone saying in a parallel universe "Imagine if Thorin had not been recast. We would not know how much better the movies would have been."
You could say "what if" to every single good and bad casting. Richard Armitage will be good maybe great. I've seen him act and don't think there's grounds for worry, really
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Dec 9 2010, 7:16am
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I think I remember John Howe and Alan Lee both saying that after working on lord of the rings they'd have to re-think the way they designed Dwarfs. It was working on the movies that the square motifs appeared.
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DrDeath153
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Dec 9 2010, 12:30pm
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I don't really see your point.
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If we assume that the actors playing dwarves are going to be buried under a similar amount of prosthetics as John Rhys Davies (they may have refined the technique and perhaps because of the greater acting demands they'll break the prosthetics down into smaller bits) then what are you proving by saying that Richard Armitage sans prosthetics looks kind of similar (lets face it it's the nose) to one sketch of Thorin done by one artist which in my opinion doesn't even subscribe to the established image for dwarves who proportionally should have a larger head to their relative body size (that i beleive was the reason why John Rhys Davies wasn't able to play a dwarf just 'as is')?
I mean i'm going to try and be fair here, because a good actor should, in theory, be able to play any age and if Richard Armitage is as good as people claim and not just the victim of female (and male) hormonal obsession blinding them to otherwise workable but not exactly remarkable ability, then yes, perhaps this gamble could pay off. But personally i'd prefer someone who actually has the seniority and reputation that Thorin exhibits rather than leaving it to chance for a younger than appropriate actor to have to imagine what that would be. Andy Serkis said in an interview when he was playing Ian Drury that the way acting works is that you basically look at the 'venn diagram' of where your own experience and that of the character overlap and basically use that as the core of your performance and imagine the rest. My worry is that in the case of Richard Armitage and Thorin that overlap really is very small (i accept that this will very quickly devolve into a case of reductio ad absurdum- very few actors have been driven from their kingdom by a dragon and spent a hundred odd years in exile plotting their revenge, but they could have at least have cast someone in the relative appropriate phase of their life).
I do completely agree with Flagg though- to petition for Armitage's replacement in the role (i would be happy to see him in the film otherwise) would be petty and insulting and would express a vote of no confidence which isn't quite what i'm doing (i've not seen enough of his work to be completely sure that he couldn't do it at all). My contention is rather a cross between a vote of shakey confidence and a vote of history repeating itself.
I do apologise if people consider this not to be pertinent to the debate of the new additions to the cast, however the splinter topic 'for those unfamiliar with the person playing Thorin' appears to have disappeared, and while the matters do somewhat overlap with the hot dwarf topic i thought the real discussion remained here.
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Dec 9 2010, 3:01pm
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Okay - the pictures are a throw away issue, I agree.
I've never seen this guy act in anything so I can't judge.
I don't think Jackson cares to much about age - he cast Elijah Wood when he was clearly young for the part and to be honest that didnt bother me.
What is your issue with the casting ??? To be honest i'm a little indiffernt to most of the casting as i don't know most of their works. I'll jusge when i see footage of them..
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Dec 9 2010, 6:07pm
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Tolkien describes some Dwarvish helms as having visors, doesn't he?
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I think? Or am I confused with Elf-armor, (such as Turin's Dragon-helm)?
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Dec 9 2010, 6:12pm
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Túrin's Dragon-helm was made by Telchar, the same dwarf who forged Narsil (Andúril). //
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Captain Salt
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Dec 9 2010, 6:29pm
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So, could be a royal Dwarvish helm.
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Dec 9 2010, 6:30pm
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But re: Richard Armitage's looks, I always thought it was the opposite. Namely, people thinking he's better looking than he is because of his acting. He's not exactly a pretty boy in the Brad Pitt sense. I didn't like him much until I saw his work, then I saw what all the fuss was about.
In the case of Stuart Townsend, wasn't he also sent packing from the Thor set? I'm thinking it was more Townsend's "creative differences", as it was so nicely put in the press release, that caused his replacement than that he was too young. As has been brought up before, Peter Jackson doesn't seem to have a problem casting younger. It can work. I doubt there will be nasty "creative differences" with Richard Armitage. He seems to get along just fine with his colleagues. He should be safe.
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Dec 9 2010, 6:40pm
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It may be that they need to have most of the other actors in place, to plan the shoot, so they know when and where McKellan and any other big names (Saruman) will be needed. Might be important when organising contracts.
That said, They knew enough to cast Freeman around his Sherlock commitments.
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Dec 9 2010, 7:40pm
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There's just something about Cate
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I really like her acting in every movie I've seen her in, also there's something really sexy about her when she talks, smiles...something in her eyes the way she looks. She has to be one of the best actresses on the planet right now.
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Dec 9 2010, 8:02pm
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The casting of Frodo and Thorin
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are somewhat different cases. Frodo received the One Ring when he was thirty-three, so it makes sense that he would still look relatively young at the age of fifty. We also know that hobbits in general have longer life-spans than humans, which makes Frodo's youthful countenance even more acceptable. Thorin, on the other hand, is centuries old and has been through a great deal of hardship throughout his long life, so it would have been appropriate for him to be portrayed by an ageing, 'weathered' actor.
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You presume that Peter Jackson cast Frodo with those facts in mind. I think he cast Elijah because he was the best man for the job so we should presume that the same is said for thorin. Clearly Peter thinks Richard is perfect for the job.. I can't really complain until i see some scenes with him in costume and acting...
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Kangi Ska
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Perhaps the best actress ever!
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What other actress would and could play Bob Dylan.
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sent PJ a recorded tape I think of some of his acting, and PJ was blown away. That's how I remember it, that is!
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Dec 10 2010, 12:25pm
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Once again Flagg you get exactly where i'm coming from
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There are many ways to justify Elijah Wood's casting, both in terms of cinematic suitability and more pertinently book-suitability. I do pretty much subscribe to Flagg's interpretation as to why in the film he looks so much younger than the 50 years he is in the books- that the Ring has drawn out his youth from the point he obtained it as he came of age (i think it's fair to assume that 33 is the Hobbit version of 18 or 21 in our modern human lifespans). But beyond the strict bounds of 'in world' justification, the character of Frodo is one of a young person, far moreso than Bilbo at the respective age since Frodo has the benefit of Bilbo's 'wander-lust' as it were- he doesn't know what the outside world is like but he wants to get out there and see it. Bilbo by comparison was much more 'middle-aged' by the time he started his own adventure- settled rather than restless, and not naive about the outside world because he had no real desire to see it and so no perceptions of what it would be. Really (to draw a close to this rather divergent ramble about Frodo) it boils down to something that Alan Lee wrote in his sketchbook about how he depicts Frodo 'I kept him in a state of indeterminate youth, alongside Gandalf's indeterminate old age.' In other words, what's important about the character is not the specific number assigned to their age, but the broad phase of life they are written as being in, and the same is true of Thorin.
This is, Bound, the reason (if i've not already made it apparent) that i am dubious of the casting of Richard Armitage- that due to his youth he will not have the same energy (or more specifically lack there-of) that someone who more closely fits Thorin's phase of life would. Thorin is not a virile action hero in the prime of his life like say Aragorn (not that he exactly was but there are clear comparisons to be drawn), Boromir or Eomer, and in the light of who Peter Jackson has cast i fear not only that Richard Armitage would not be able to act that far above his age, but also that the entire character of Thorin has been bent and shoehorned into an 'action-lead' stereotype that would essentially kill the character with all the sub-textual pressures he exhibits in the book. It would be as big a mistake tonally as making the whole Arkenstone debacle simply about greed.
As much as i'd love to trust Peter Jackson and Richard Armitage, i'm honestly worried about it and would prefer someone of the ilk of Ian McShane (who i thought was a stroke of minor genius of Guillermo's for Thorin), Brian Cox (though if he was cast i would worry about the villainous elements of Agamemnon being dragged over into Thorin), Anthony Hopkins, Tom Conti, Brendan Gleeson, even a couple of people already in the cast- i'd have more faith in Graham McTavish or Ken Stott in this crucial lead role - these actors would have more of an overlap in their personal/Thorin Venn Diagram to draw on and i could smile with confidence and optimism at both how well they would embody the character from the book and what more they could bring to him from their own imaginations and experience.
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Dec 10 2010, 12:46pm
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I know that story but Peter cast him because of that - and didn't care about how young/old he was. I don't think he considered any kind of "well the ring would have kept frodo looking young" train of though etc etc.
He was hired because he was the right actor for Frodo. WE must presume the same goes for Richard. I know Jackson has been wrong before - both in Stuart Townsend and also casting Ryan Gosling in the lovely bones - only to be replaced by the god awful Mark Walberg
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Dec 10 2010, 1:34pm
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True! Never thought about that
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I haven't seen that movie yet, but I plan to put it high on my priority list now...thx!
She is definitely one of the best, if not THE best. It got me to thinking...who could compete with her as best actress ever...here's the list of actresses I could think of:
- Jodie Foster
- Meryl Streep
- Kate Winslet
- Angelina Jolie
- Hilary Swank
- Nicole Kidman
Also, though she is still young, Emma Watson has developed into a great actress, imho.
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Dec 10 2010, 2:33pm
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I don't like to rain on anyone's opinons but Emma Waston is one of the worst young actresses out there. She is constantly the worst thing in the Harry Potter movies and I don't know how often i've heard people complian about her awful eyebrow acting.
as i said i don't like to rain on people views.. and this isn't a persoanl attack but rather an observation ...
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sphdle1
Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D.
Dec 10 2010, 3:12pm
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you're entitled to your own wrong opinion
I don't go by what critics or the majority of people say ... I go with how I feel about someone's acting and how it touches me ... up until this latest HP7.1 movie, I never thought much about it, but Emma Watson in this latest film had a much larger role and was in almost all the scenes compared to the other movies ... this movie really resonated with me, and it was her acting IMHO that was one of the main contributing factors...she really stepped it up many notches as far as I saw and felt.
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Bound
Defender
Dec 10 2010, 5:24pm
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She certainly improved in the most recent movie compared to the ones before...
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BountyHunter
Mutant
Dec 12 2010, 5:42pm
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The Doctor as Radagast!!! This is great. I love Sylvester McCoy!!!
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