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Howard Shore Going There... Back Again
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Owain
Tol Eressea


Nov 18 2010, 4:44pm

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Incredible composer. The music for the trilogy is... [In reply to] Can't Post

not incredible only for the films but timeless music. I often listen to the soundtrack.

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shadow0421
Bree

Nov 18 2010, 4:49pm

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John Williams... [In reply to] Can't Post

is my all time favorite composer but LOTR is my all time favorite soundtrack. I agree that Williams would not be right for this. Only Shore can take me to Middle Earth


Kangi Ska
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Nov 18 2010, 5:17pm

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How about Tangarine Dream or modest mouse or Elvis? // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Welsh hero
Gondor

Nov 18 2010, 7:05pm

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musical consistency [In reply to] Can't Post

I do thinkThat The Hobbit and LOTR need musical consistency. Much like it should stay in NZ, PJ directing (No offence GDT) and as much returning actors as possible.


Not gonna say who would be a replacment

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Rosie-with-the-ribbons
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Nov 18 2010, 8:01pm

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If I remember correctly [In reply to] Can't Post

but it is a long time ago, it did come up, but since The Hobbit wasn't confirmed then, it still was a "rumour". I know the question got asked this year in NYC, and he said that if The Hobbit would be made he would love to come back. So some what the same answer. Really glad we now have a true confirmation. That will be another incredible soundtrack, and one more trip back to Middle-earth.



rings7
Rohan


Nov 18 2010, 8:02pm

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Seriously now, I'm afraid that too many members of the former LOTR crew might feel overconfident about making this film, mainly because of the trilogy's success.And in this case lightning never strikes twice in the same spot.Do I hear Razzie nominations?

Since the news confirmed that The Hobbit stays in NZ, I had 2 ill-fated dreams:one in which the final product looked like a silly digital cartoonish version of Avatar spliced with Beowulf;the second one featured myself on The Hobbit's set while finding out that the production was cancelled(Martin Freeman was there too) .I just can't stop thinking that this flilm will hit the floor(is that an idiom?).



Razzie nominations?? Too much pesimism on your part.


Huan71
Lorien

Nov 18 2010, 11:14pm

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fair comment magpie.... [In reply to] Can't Post

How about- The majority of people who loved the LotR's movies liked Howard Shores score of the films...? Wink

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N.E. Brigand
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Nov 18 2010, 11:33pm

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For instance. [In reply to] Can't Post

This author, a Tolkien scholar and a music critic, recently had an essay published on classical and folk music "that inspired Tolkien and was inspired by him" and included a paragraph on Shore's scores, which he finds mixed in quality.

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Huan71
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Nov 18 2010, 11:53pm

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T.Dream and Inferno [In reply to] Can't Post

Hey Kangi,
Didn't Tangerine Dream get quite a lot of criticism for their 'Score' to Giuseppe's version of Dante's Inferno?
I speak as someone who would put 'Thru metamorphic Rocks' in their 50'ish tracks of all time.

How about The Floyd as an alternative. Check out Echoes (from Meddle) and 2001 !
And, yes, i've heard about the "dark side of the rainbow" theory !

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Hamfast
Rohan


Nov 18 2010, 11:59pm

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Maybe you're right. [In reply to] Can't Post

I listened to " Let Mortal Heroes Sing Your Fame " by Summoning today.....awesome album. Every time I listen to them, I can't help but think that their music is tailor made for a soundtrack.


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Nov 19 2010, 12:12am

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To be fair, that particular author is a major critic of the films [In reply to] Can't Post

I think the main point that's being made here is that most people who like the films also appreciate Shore's work on them. The author in question (I'm not quite sure why we are avoiding identifying him by name) is one of the biggest critics of the films that I know of (even going so far as to get into a literary argument with Tom Shippey over them), so he hardly qualifies. Indeed, his comment "considering how many people think Shore must be marvelous because he worked for the sainted Peter Jackson, the criticisms need to be hammered in" suggests (to me at least) that he is as biased against Shore because of his dislike of the films as he accuses others of being biased in favor of Shore because of their love of the films.

[I note that the author in question is someone that I owe a great deal to, and my comments in no way lessen the gratitude that I feel towards him.]

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Kangi Ska
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Nov 19 2010, 12:30am

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Sarcasm does not work well on the interweb. [In reply to] Can't Post

I am sorry. I am in love with Howard Shore's Score. Folk music might be an appropriate alternative but rock/pop in virtually all of its forms would sink the ship (in my not so humble opinion.)

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Huan71
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Nov 19 2010, 12:54am

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don't worry old chap.. [In reply to] Can't Post

webbyinter sarcasm works jus' fine...
Sometimes it's the reply that can get misconstrued' Cool

...So you wouldn't consider Vangelis? Wink

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Huan71
Lorien

Nov 19 2010, 1:05am

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How about... [In reply to] Can't Post

The herbaliser or Sun Ra?....
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Samuel Walters
Bree


Nov 19 2010, 1:19am

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... a Q & A session between Howard and Doug before the 2009 FOTR performance at RCMH. They discussed the Hobbit and spoke as if there were no uncertainties with respect to Howard composing the music.

Howard not composing for the Hobbit would be like Williams not composing for the Star Wars prequels. It just wouldn't work.

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Kangi Ska
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Nov 19 2010, 1:54am

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Kangi runs flapping and screaming into the night! [In reply to] Can't Post

NO-O-O-O-O!!!!

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N.E. Brigand
Half-elven


Nov 19 2010, 2:18am

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Could be. [In reply to] Can't Post

But it is possible to dislike the score independently of disliking the films. I bought the FOTR soundtrack CD before seeing the film, listened to it straight through, found the music pretty dull but inoffensive, then saw the film, for which my dislike was much stronger.


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I'm not quite sure why we are avoiding identifying him by name


It's just internet custom for referring to people who sign their online comments by screen name rather than their true name. (I have occasionally slipped in that regard.)

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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Nov 19 2010, 2:37am

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But it is possible to dislike the score independently of disliking the films. I bought the FOTR soundtrack CD before seeing the film, listened to it straight through, found the music pretty dull but inoffensive, then saw the film, for which my dislike was much stronger.

That certainly provides good evidence that in your case at least your dislike of Shore's score was not caused by your subsequent (more pronounced) dislike of the actual films. However, I can't help but note that you are another example of someone who is less than enamored of the score and also dislikes the films in general. I've encountered a number of similar cases (beyond yourself and the unnamed author that you cited), but I can't recall encountering any cases in which an individual likes the films overall, but disdains Shore's score. I'm sure there must be some cases like that, but I suspect they are rare. It may (or may not) be interesting to explore whether there is any reason for this seeming correlation.


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I'm not quite sure why we are avoiding identifying him by name


It's just internet custom for referring to people who sign their online comments by screen name rather than their true name. (I have occasionally slipped in that regard.)

Personally, I'm not convinced that that custom should hold when the subject is a writing that was published by the author under his real name. But I will continue to follow your lead in this case.

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N.E. Brigand
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Nov 19 2010, 2:44am

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Maybe I disliked the film because I disliked the score. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Nov 19 2010, 3:01am

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I can't recall encountering any cases in which an individual likes the films overall, but disdains Shore's score. I'm sure there must be some cases like that, but I suspect they are rare. It may (or may not) be interesting to explore whether there is any reason for this seeming correlation.




We get a fair number at imdb saying they liked the film but didn't like the score. But then, imdb regulars are a bit known for disliking things. I don't know how many are just trying to jerk someone's chain. But, as long as they don't swear and froth at the mouth, I tend to take them at their word and leave it at that.

I thought we had people on this forum saying they'd like another composer but I wouldn't let you quote me at that. And maybe they weren't saying they disliked Shore... only that they felt another could do it as well as he could.



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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Nov 19 2010, 3:18am

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Not likely [In reply to] Can't Post

I've seen enough of what you have written over the past few years to know that you have viable, reasonable, and very specific reasons for disliking the films that have nothing to do with the score.

Some of them I even agree with you about!

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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Nov 19 2010, 3:20am

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The only one that I can think of off the top of my head [In reply to] Can't Post

who has stated here that he would prefer another composer is Gandalf's Mother. And he is another strong critic of the films.

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macfalk
Valinor


Nov 19 2010, 7:31am

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Shore [In reply to] Can't Post

The ones who dislikes the films usually dislike Shore's score, as earlier mentioned here.



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Silmaril
Rohan


Nov 19 2010, 7:32am

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Summoning [In reply to] Can't Post

they are really great (btw they are working on a new album now). i don't think that their music would fit for these movies (there is not only darkness) but they did another awesome interpretation of tolkiens books.


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Nov 19 2010, 11:59am

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Howard not composing for the Hobbit would be like Williams not composing for the Star Wars prequels. It just wouldn't work.

I think the Star Wars prequels could have been scored satisfactorily by another composer. As long as they were allowed to incorporate Williams's main theme, of course – the one piece of music from Star Wars that everyone remembers. Beyond that, any reasonably talented composer could have filled in for him. He was replaced on the Harry Potter sequels, and that worked out pretty well (or not too badly, at least).


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