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ThunderDan
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Oct 22 2010, 7:50pm
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To be fair 39 isn't that young. I have no idea how good of an actor he is or how he will fill the role (but his iMdb photo shows a lot of intensity) - but if you check out some clips floating around of him he does have a pretty deep voice. Remember too that of all the dwarves Thorin will probably be involved in the most battle scenes which require a person in great shape. Some of the older actors cast as dwarves may not be as active (in terms of movement, fighting, etc) in the movie.
I really do trust Peter Jackson when it comes to casting - the LOTR rings were cast so perfectly IMO. And he isn't afraid to make a change if it comes to it - like replacing the actor playing Aragorn with Viggo because he was too young (after filming had already started). So if when the performance starts it really became an issue I know Peter would find a way to make it right.
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Oct 22 2010, 7:52pm
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Glad I accidentally remembered that post and could help.
(Though I'd like to know why my brain is able to memorise such irrelevant details, but keeps forgetting much more important stuff  )
Anyway, Kangi will not be happy to miss all that.
I do not suffer from LotR obsession - I enjoy every minute of it.
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Tim
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Oct 22 2010, 7:52pm
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they did it to Mr. Rhys-Davies and I would be with you (probably) in saying he didn't need all that stuff on his face either.
Maybe they want younger guys who can move a bit faster underneath all that stuff - I would say that's a valid concern. *shrugs*
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Oct 22 2010, 7:54pm
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After a long time without much to talk about-open the flood gates! WOOHOOO!!!
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Oct 22 2010, 7:59pm
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Ethel Duath
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Oct 22 2010, 8:26pm
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I have this mental picture of desperate tornsibs clinging to a giant screen door . . . (Somebody take a picture, quick! )
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Oct 22 2010, 8:32pm
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I was sure it was at least four years, but not sure just how long.
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DrDeath153
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Oct 22 2010, 9:13pm
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Can we stop talking about this bout of rumours as if they're official? While i have a niggling fear that this article may be true, i seriously doubt it, declaring information that is just completely out of left-field and also thus far completely unsupported by anything we have heard so far.
For a start this is a mere article from a single site- it is not a press release or even properly an interview (the quotes erroneously attributed to Peter Jackson are not necessarily real- any hack looking to make a big story could make those up). Certainly i would expect at least the announcement of the now inevitable Martin Freeman in the title role to get something a bit more ceremonious than a dodgy 'confirmation' on a site most people haven't heard of until today (lets face it, it's no Empire magazine). I actually deplore Xoanan for attributing such weight to something so unlikely when theonering.net usually has very good sources providing fair warning of imminent announcements. Perhaps he is merely trying to stir the quagmire of The Hobbit's development in the absence of any real news.
Also on the matter of press releases- we still haven't heard for certain, beyond any doubt, that the crucial members of the returning cast are now fully signed up. I would imagine that Ian McKellen, Andy Serkis and Hugo Weaving at least have been patiently waiting for their newly updated contracts to sign, and it is those that i imagine will be the first formally announced.
In regard to these rumours, well frankly i just don't buy it. While there is an argument that being dwarves you can cast younger actors and swamp them with prosthetics so you never know the difference, and yes, younger people would find the fight scenes easier, I don't think either the casting directors or studio would take the risk of going all daring with their casting choices when the established formula and fan expectations are based on actors of stocky physique and 50+. When it worked so well with John Rhys Davies, why change?
Another interesting snippet concerns the Hobbit's former director, who in an interview with the Times in England a couple of weeks ago claimed he had had his eye on Ian McShane who 'would make the most perfect dwarf', plainly Guillermo was not predicting a wild new direction for the dwarves (though as with all the best casting choices, he sidestepped the obvious candidates).
While it's almost probable that not all the big 'dwarf names' like Brian Cox, Brian Blessed, Brendan Gleeson, James Cosmo and the like will be in this one film, I would be genuinely suprised if the dwarves weren't cast from people of that ilk and generation. Type-casting has such a horrible stigma, and perhaps in an alternative production Richard Armitage and those rumoured could try playing 20 years over their age, but it just doesn't ring true to me for The Hobbit- there's too much at stake to risk messing with the formula.
I apologise that this post sounds so angry and arrogant, but i just want to stop the rot. Perhaps these actors were considered for The Hobbit but i certainly doubt in the roles they are listed here- i take the view that until an official announcement is made this particular rumour should be treated with the utmost suspicion.
....Besides, i wanted Colin Firth for Bilbo anyway
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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea
Oct 22 2010, 9:24pm
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Hence PJ's remarks about casting Freeman, Armitage and the others...
Samuel L. Jackson for Bilbo, Woody Allen for Thorin, Lewis Black for Bard and Gilbert Gottfried for Smaug!
MAKE IT HAPPEN, PETER!!!
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DrDeath153
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Oct 22 2010, 9:27pm
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And hence my remarks about how it could just be made up- i mean come on, do you believe everything you read in the papers?
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Theodred
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Oct 22 2010, 9:28pm
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Craig Parker? He could again play Haldir. Because he's an elf, it would be possible to see him also in TH
Orlando Bloom? As Legolas, he's ofcourse also an elf, so it's possible to see him in TH
Doug Jones? When Guillermo was the director, he seemed sure to get a part in TH. Will PJ keep that promise in mind and give him a role?
Ron Perlman? The same for him. Is he still granted a role in TH?
Bill Bailey? He has auditioned and seems very eager to play a part in TH, but will he get one?
Billy Boyd/Elijah Wood/Dominic Monaghan? They all seems eager to return as the fathers of the characters they played in LOtR
Guillermo del Toro himself? Althought he's not involved in TH anymore as he withdrawed, is he still willing to play a part in TH when they would ask him as some kind of tribute for all the work he has done? He has said earlier this year he would play a part in TH, have a line or two and then die quickly, if I recall it correctly.
Liv Tyler? She could be around when we see Hugo Weaving as Elrond in TH
Besides that, imo Brad Garrett would be perfect as the voice of Smaug, as I've already said earlier in a previous post, because of his deep, low voice and his experience in voice acting.
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Captain Salt
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Oct 22 2010, 9:45pm
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DrDeath, yes, they fabricated a false announcement and several paragraphs of quotes from Peter...
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Get ready to see these guys on the big screen come December 2012.
Samuel L. Jackson for Bilbo, Woody Allen for Thorin, Lewis Black for Bard and Gilbert Gottfried for Smaug!
MAKE IT HAPPEN, PETER!!!
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Huan71
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Oct 22 2010, 11:25pm
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..i'm ok with us disagreeing on what is a good or bad acting performance if you are!
BTW...what are some of your fave performances ever?
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CINE
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Oct 23 2010, 12:27am
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DrDeath:
Check out this article. The casting announcements were made by New Line president Toby Emmerich, et al. Reporter Mike Fleming of Deadline is a highly credible source.
http://www.deadline.com/...ames-for-the-hobbit/
Still, we've been continually burned by false Hobbit leads over the last six months, so I can certainly understand your skepticism, but this one looks entirely genuine.
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Snaga
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Oct 23 2010, 12:53am
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Try to reserve judgement until you seem them in costume and prosthetics. By now WETA has perfected their art and can probably make a willow wand look like a dwarf.
I'm so thrilled to see they cast this one the same as last time. Lots of relative unknowns in there. I can't wait to see the performances PJ squeezes out of them. 
And before you give up on Armitage as Thorin try giving his bio a look see and get to know him a bit. Remember Thorin was an older dwarf but hale, no dottering old guy that could hardly move. That's why it's called acting.
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Snaga
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Oct 23 2010, 1:06am
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I came late to this thread so it seems all I get to do is skim through and agree with people.
There just has to be thirteen dwarves. Bilbo was chosen because he was the lucky number, and I have to say that while reading this book in my youth I found the image of thirteen pointy dwarf hoods bobbing along the trail with a big statuesque Gandalf in train to be incredibly charming. Even if there aren't lines for half of them they can carry their loads as characters with looks of fear, amusement and concern (to name a few) at the appropriate times while one of the major characters engages in dialogue.
I mean, think of them trying to pull of the scene with the introductions to Beorn with only 7 dwarfs. Pshaw!
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macfalk
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Oct 23 2010, 7:30am
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This is an official statement by the CEO of New Line and others. Got some conspiracy theory?
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DrDeath153
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Oct 23 2010, 10:07am
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No conspiracy theory, just skepticism
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It's not a conspiracy theory- i'm just exercising some healthy skepticism when faced with nothing more than a single site jumping on the desperate desire for Hobbit casting news. I don't mean to sound sanctimonious, and i accept that i may have to eat humble pie, but again- why no 'formal' announcement- why just this one site with no real reputation? I mean if it had come from theonering.net itself it would have had more creedance, this being a practically official affiliate of the LotR films, but this isn't the kind of news that just 'slips out' in an interview, and just because it claim's to quote Peter Jackson and all these executives- it even says there was an announcement- where though? Have our spies been completely blind to such a critical development that they were taken unawares by some other site?
I mean i know some news is better than no news, but i just think this is a media invention and until i hear with all the pomp and ceremony that came with the greenlight that these people are involved in the roles they are attributed to then i'm not really going to buy it.
I would also appreciate if people would give legitimate counter arguments to my own rather than just ignoring them out of blind enthusiasm
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Flagg
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Oct 23 2010, 1:41pm
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that Jackson or Warners would have come out with an official statement by now explaining that the press release was fake if that was the case.
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Tim
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Oct 23 2010, 2:52pm
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doesn't put news like that on its front page without confirming through its own sources. The press release is legitimate.
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Patty
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Oct 23 2010, 2:55pm
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He'd be absolutely fantastic...
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as would Jeremy Irons.
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Patty
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Oct 23 2010, 2:58pm
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but I seem to recall reading that there were other issues with Stuart Townsend than his age. I'm thinking he wasn't coming across as the "team player" that is so desperately needed on a long shot like LotR. Ah, but I may be wrong. When you've been on the boards as long as I have, it begins to be hard to remember what was fact and what was rumor, if you even knew for sure at the time.
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DrDeath153
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Oct 23 2010, 3:47pm
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Likewise wouldn't they have come out with something truly official?
Equally so have Ian McKellen, Andy Serkis and Hugo Weaving but time and time again they've had to say that the contract still hasn't been signed. I mean we even had it from Guillermo that Hugo Weaving was on board and yet he denied it. If you can't trust the (then) director's own word, who can you trust? There's been no word from the actors themselves confirming their involvement or even that they'd been approached- there was more in the way of evidence for that other Robin Hood guy (the one who played Archer) than for Richard Armitage. But other than some alleged 'quotes' (which i for one am highly suspicious of the validity of) from this single article (which has been repeated ad-infinitum across the net granted), we have nothing. I don't know, maybe i'm in denial, but between the choices, the source and the context, something is not adding up- do you really think that Peter Jackson would be making a casting announcement the morning that he's at his wit's end with union action and having to fight studio and politics alike to secure New Zealand as the base? Not only that but that this announcement would not be made even on New Zealand national television (with perhaps the purpose of calming the situation there and reassuring the investors in the industry) but to a half-baked hollywood rumour site in the deepest reaches of the internet?
I want casting news as much as the next person (though granted i don't want the 'news' we've supposedly got ) but it strikes me as just..... unlikely that this is it. Time will tell i suppose but does no-one out there see my point?
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Flagg
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Oct 23 2010, 6:20pm
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...I forgot that Andy Serkis did the voice for the Witch-king in addition to Gollum. That makes him, Alan Howard and John Rhys-Davies the three possibilites for Smaug, according to Mr Reddit.
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Bree
Oct 23 2010, 6:25pm
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As someone else mentioned in another thread, this looks like it was a hastily thrown together end of the week press release by Warner (to help stave off some of the bad vibe from the New Zealand situation). Something to give the fans (and investors) confidence.
The fact that all the studio head names, and Peter Jackson, are attached to this announcement -- plus the fact it was released to all the major Hollywood trade mags (Variety, Hollywood Reporter, Deadline) really lends this a lot of credence.
And, of course, there are a lot more major parts to be cast, so this first announcement is only a teaser of sorts.
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