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Peter Jackson and New Line Announce 'Hobbit' Casting!!!

ranger123
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Oct 22 2010, 1:12am

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Peter Jackson and New Line Announce 'Hobbit' Casting!!! Can't Post

Warner Bros. just released the following press release, confirming Martin Freeman as Bilbo Baggins and revealing a slew of other actors:
Martin Freeman, Richard Armitage, Rob Kazinsky, Aidan Turner, Graham McTavish, John Callen, Stephen Hunter, Mark Hadlow and Peter Hambleton have joined the ensemble cast of the The Hobbit, it was jointly announced today by Toby Emmerich, President and Chief Operating Officer, New Line Cinema; Alan Horn, President and Chief Operating Officer, Warner Bros.; Steve Cooper, co-Chief Executive Officer of Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Inc., and Peter Jackson.
Since The Hobbit films received a green light on October 15, pre-production has been in full swing. Set for release in December, 2012 and December, 2013, we can confirm that Martin Freeman (The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, Hot Fuzz) will play Bilbo Baggins, the hero of the story. Richard Armitage (UK TV's MI-5 and soon to appear in Captain America: The First Avenger) is set to play Thorin Oakenshield, the leader of the Company of Dwarves which sets off to reclaim the Lonely Mountain from a thieving dragon.
"Despite the various rumours and speculation surrounding this role, there has only ever been one Bilbo Baggins for us,” says Peter Jackson. “There are a few times in your career when you come across an actor who you know was born to play a role, but that was the case as soon as I met Martin. He is intelligent, funny, surprising and brave - exactly like Bilbo and I feel incredibly proud to be able to announce that he is our Hobbit.”
He adds “Richard is one of the most exciting and dynamic actors working on screen today and we know he is going to make an amazing Thorin Oakensheild. We cannot wait to start this adventure with him and feel very lucky that one of the most beloved characters in Middle-earth is in such good hands."
Rounding out the Company of Dwarves are Aidan Turner (TV's Being Human) and Rob Kazinsky (TVs EastEnders) who play Kili and Fili, respectively. Jackson comments "Rob is an extremely talented young actor with a huge career in front of him, I'm thrilled that he has agreed to take on the role of Fili. Besides his talent as an actor, Rob is also a champion sword fighter; I'm looking forward to seeing the damage he can do to a horde of marauding Goblins!" He continues, "Adian is a wonderfully gifted young actor who hails from Ireland. I'm sure he will bring enormous heart and humor to the role of Kili."
The remaining dwarves will be played by Graham McTavish (Secretariat and TV's 24) as Dwalin; John Callen (TV's Power Rangers Jungle Fury) as Oin; Stephen Hunter (TV's All Saints) as Bombur; Mark Hadlow (King Kong) as Dori; and Peter Hambleton (TV's The Strip) as Gloin.
Jackson notes, "Graham is a terrific actor, with a great depth of experience, which I know he will bring to the role of "Dwalin. I have worked with Mark Hadlow on many projects; he is a fantastic actor. I am thrilled to be working with both of them on these movies. He adds, "I am also proud to announce the casting of New Zealand actors as Peter Hambleton, John Callen and Stephen Hunter. Fran and I know that they will bring great depth and talent to our Company of Dwarves."
The two The Hobbit films are being co-produced by New Line Cinema and MGM, with New Line managing production, Warner Bros Pictures handling domestic distribution and MGM distributing internationally. Peter Jackson, Fran Walsh and Carolynne Cunningham are producing the films, with Phillipa Boyens serving as co-producer and Ken Kamins as executive producer. The Oscar-winning, critically acclaimed LOTR trilogy, also from the production team of Jackson, Walsh and Cunningham, grossed nearly $3 billion worldwide at the box office. In 2003, “Return of the King” swept the Academy Awards, winning all of the 11 categories in which it was nominated, including Best Picture - the first ever Best Picture win for a fantasy film. The trilogy's production was also unprecedented at the time.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/blogs/heat-vision/peter-jackson-and-new-line-32059

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Oct 22 2010, 1:14am

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Woo-hoo! [In reply to] Can't Post

Martin Freeman is going to be an excellent Bilbo!!! So happy about that!

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ranger123
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Oct 22 2010, 1:16am

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P.S. I told you guys about the Aiden Turner casting ages ago hehe [In reply to] Can't Post

So it was true! Wink

We have our Bilbo! WOO HOO! Martin is perfect!


Owain
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Oct 22 2010, 1:18am

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Wow! Cool! Nice to get some good news! [In reply to] Can't Post

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JRandomRohirrim
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Oct 22 2010, 1:18am

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This cast is even more unknown than LOTR! [In reply to] Can't Post

I remember Martin Freeman, and Richard Armitage sounds familar (Jim says he's in the recent British Robin Hood).


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ranger123
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Oct 22 2010, 1:20am

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Deadline has more unconfirmed names [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.deadline.com/2010/10/peter-jackson-sets-first-names-for-the-hobbit/

Stephen Fry, Saoirse Ronan and Bill Nighy (as the voice of the dragon Smaug)


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pandoraziki
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Oct 22 2010, 1:21am

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Is this for real? [In reply to] Can't Post

So Martin Freeman it is! And Richard Armitage Evil (pity he'll be hiding under all the dwarfish make-up). Thanks for some positive news!


Tim
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Oct 22 2010, 1:22am

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*puts on my Happy Dance shoes again!* [In reply to] Can't Post

HA HA! Martin Freeman for BILBO yah baby yah!

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Estel78
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Oct 22 2010, 1:24am

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Richard Armitage as Thorin?! [In reply to] Can't Post

odd casting imho


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weaver
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Oct 22 2010, 1:25am

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this is so nice to see after all of the other news [In reply to] Can't Post

I missed out on the buildup around here to the LOTR films, so it's kind of nice to be here for this moment.

Very happy to read this and Peter's comments are heartening indeed!

Weaver




pandoraziki
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Oct 22 2010, 1:28am

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It is a bit odd [In reply to] Can't Post

He would make a great Bard. But then again he's a great actor so I am sure he will pull it off.


Ruijor
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Oct 22 2010, 1:30am

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Unknown cast indeed [In reply to] Can't Post


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I remember Martin Freeman, and Richard Armitage sounds familar (Jim says he's in the recent British Robin Hood).



Richard Armitage was often mentioned for the role of Bard so I´m quite surprised to him beeing cast as Thorni ...

Oh well, I trust Team Jackson.


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Owain
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Oct 22 2010, 1:31am

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Actor pics Part l [In reply to] Can't Post

Richard Armitage



Robert Kazinsky



Aidan Turner



Graham McTavish



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Hobbitonmayor
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Oct 22 2010, 1:31am

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Balin? [In reply to] Can't Post

What about Balin? Seems like a very important supporting role....


Woodyend
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Oct 22 2010, 1:33am

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Thanks ever so much for the pics/ [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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chrismortega
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Oct 22 2010, 1:38am

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Weird... [In reply to] Can't Post

to think that these faces which I have never seen before are going to become SO FAMILIAR.

Does anyone else think Richard Armitage is kind of young for Thorin. I trust PJ's judgment, but I'd always pictured him a lot older!

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ranger123
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Oct 22 2010, 1:40am

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Just imagine him with the beard and cotume [In reply to] Can't Post

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SirDennisC
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Oct 22 2010, 1:40am

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Great line up so far! [In reply to] Can't Post

Still wondering about Bard though. Still crossing my fingers for Til Schweiger, Mads Mikkelsen, or Thomas Kretschmann.

Didn't think RA had a shot, especially for head Dwarf. Wow, just wow!



chrismortega
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Oct 22 2010, 1:40am

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Love the choice of Stephen Hunter [In reply to] Can't Post

Never heard of him before but he has a GREAT Bombur look about him!

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CINE
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Oct 22 2010, 1:43am

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Nighy, Voice of Smaug... [In reply to] Can't Post

...I saw that mentioned as a possibility on the TORn front-page article. That would be freaking brilliant! I recall a lot of discussion as him as the Elven king, but I think his bordering-on-bored posh vocal delivery (combined with his classic snort-laugh) would be utterly great for Smaug (of course doctored up in sound post production to make the voice more booming and menacing).

Also, happy to see McTavish's name in the list of dwarves. I thought he was quite the bad-ass in the current Rambo flick (as the ex-SAS British merc).


Estel78
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Oct 22 2010, 1:43am

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Yeah, Richard Armitage seems too young... [In reply to] Can't Post

with not enough meat on his bones and what about his voice? Kinda doubt it's baritone.

PJ always seem to cast too young actors before replacing them eventually *lol* case in point, Aragorn and the father in Lovely Bones.


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Oct 22 2010, 1:43am

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This is exciting news indeed! [In reply to] Can't Post

But wouldn't it confuse everyone to cast Aidan Turner AND Aiden Turner...?? Tongue

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Seanwise
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Oct 22 2010, 1:44am

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Excellent choices! [In reply to] Can't Post

Great news! Congrats to Martin Freeman, he'll be great. Also good to see an Irishman, Aidan Turner, in the cast :)


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Oct 22 2010, 1:46am

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That's how i picture a dwarf, yeah... [In reply to] Can't Post

not all these skinny people. ;)


chrismortega
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Oct 22 2010, 1:47am

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I've got to think... [In reply to] Can't Post

that all these guys are freaking out right now. I mean, they've known for a while, I'm sure, but now all their friends are calling them up saying, dude, you're in the Hobbit.

Cheers to you guys, if any of you read this!

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duats
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Oct 22 2010, 1:48am

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OH GOD [In reply to] Can't Post

Bill Nighy is up for Smaug?

MAKE IT HAPPEN, PJ.


Salmar
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Oct 22 2010, 1:50am

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Does a circle dance.... [In reply to] Can't Post

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Round and round I goes!

Like weaver I missed out on the build up to the Trilogy so this is going to be a real treat!

Oh! Congratulations Mr. Jackson and co. :)

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Estel78
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Oct 22 2010, 1:50am

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Please no Til Schweiger! [In reply to] Can't Post

Have an aversion to that guy and imho he's not a good actor.


JRandomRohirrim
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Oct 22 2010, 1:51am

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I'm surprised this isn't a "Trending Topic" over on Twitter [In reply to] Can't Post

There's LOTS of #hobbit traffic over there tonight!


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Kelvarhin
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Oct 22 2010, 1:57am

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yeah, the other news was really getting me down [In reply to] Can't Post

so this is just great Smile

Excellent that we've got our Bilbo (yay Martin Freeman! Cool). Some interesting choices for the dwarves, though, I guess they'd need to be reasonably young and fit, to carry all the weight of the dwarf costumes.


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Oct 22 2010, 1:57am

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Actor pics Part ll [In reply to] Can't Post

 See attached.

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Oct 22 2010, 1:59am

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A shame to hide those features beneath prosthetics... [In reply to] Can't Post

Cool

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Patty
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Oct 22 2010, 3:14am

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I've gotta admit, I always saw Richard Armitage as Bard... [In reply to] Can't Post

and when I read "Thorin" it threw me--I would never have picked him for that role. I'd agree with those who say too young and not enough meat on his bones.

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Oct 22 2010, 3:17am

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Sweet! [In reply to] Can't Post

Now we're rolling! Love the fact these folks are relatively unknown, especially over here in North America......what an amazingly busy day for this site and fandom! Its gonna take me a few hours to get through all these posts!

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Oct 22 2010, 3:20am

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Stephen Hunter in action: [In reply to] Can't Post

He plays the Dad in this ad - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDkg6ge9vaY

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Sauron: "Mine's better."

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Plurmo
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Oct 22 2010, 3:22am

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Young so they can endure a prosthetics tour de force.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Laitholiel_the_SeaElf
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Oct 22 2010, 3:23am

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I'd never considered it before you mentioned the name, but [In reply to] Can't Post

Wow. Nighy would be fantastic.




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duats
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Oct 22 2010, 3:25am

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The only choices that really bug me are Aidan Turner, Rob Kazinsky, and Richard Armitage.

They just don't possess the dwarf look. I understand that Fili and Kiki are the youngest in the group, but these two are... well, pretty boys. As for Armitage, he just doesn't fit my image of the older, wizened leader of these dwarves. He's an extremely talented actor, but I don't want another instance where a role is cast too young.

I was kind of hoping they'd cast actors who had the "dwarf" look, so that they had less reliance in prosthetics.


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Oct 22 2010, 3:27am

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Yes! Martin Freeman! [In reply to] Can't Post

All those years after I first suggested him. :-)

It's nice to have something to celebrate.


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Estel78
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Oct 22 2010, 3:28am

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Can you really picture Richard Armitage as Thorin? [In reply to] Can't Post

Well, i can't, sorry. He's just too young and doesn't have that dwarvish look. Sure, make-up can change you a lot but what about the voice? I picture Thorin having a deeper, commanding voice. I doubt Armitage has a deep, commanding voice, from the looks of his. When i picture Thorin, i see someone like Brian Blessed, who admittedly is a little too old now. Graham McTavish would have been a better Thorin imho.

When i look at Armitage i keep thinking of the women they glued beards on in LOTR. *lol* Crazy


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Oct 22 2010, 3:29am

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---> FYI: Extensive bios of all the actors a bit down the board in the Meet the Cast thread from the Home Page [In reply to] Can't Post

Posted from the Home Page, It got pushed down the board, as usual. Frown

But, Xo did a fabulous job of writing up some of the most detailed bios (if not *the* most detailed bios) you'll find out there at the moment.

Enjoy! LaughSmile


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Oct 22 2010, 3:33am

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Woo hoo! Love this, great to see so many unknowns... [In reply to] Can't Post

Man, that is just awesome! I love all of these unknowns, and Martin Freeman getting Bilbo definitely makes me happy.

Really sounds like they choose actors not for their names, but their auditions. Which makes me very, very happy.

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Estel78
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Oct 22 2010, 3:33am

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But PJ cast some older folk for some of the other dwarves. [In reply to] Can't Post


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Kimi
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Oct 22 2010, 3:33am

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Me too, Patty. [In reply to] Can't Post

He very much matches my vision of Bard.

Perhaps they want someone with a Romantic Hero look about him for the bulk of the journey, not just the small section where Bard's present.


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Plurmo
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Oct 22 2010, 3:35am

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Saoirse Ronan will be Legolas' sister?// [In reply to] Can't Post

 


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Oct 22 2010, 3:36am

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YES!!! Perfect casting... so glad there is still good news coming out right now. [In reply to] Can't Post

 


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Oct 22 2010, 3:36am

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#1 - Board is too slow :-) #2 - The Dwarves are going to be under makeup [In reply to] Can't Post

It doesn't really matter what these guys look like - they're going to be under makeup. If they did it to John Rhys-Davies they're going to do it to everybody. It's the performance under the makeup PJ is looking for and these people brought that character to their auditions it seems. And don't go by voices either - Liv Tyler is proof that the voice can be manipulated (she did it on her own I don't mean to imply they did it in post).

And yes I'm going to whine about the board being too slow. Laugh

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Oct 22 2010, 3:44am

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LOL [In reply to] Can't Post

was just thinking that some of our sibs should go into the casting business, some of the predictions were pretty darn close Laugh

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Oct 22 2010, 3:44am

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I'm hoping for Michael Fassbender myself. [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1055413/

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That Mikkleson guy isn't bad, though.

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Ruijor
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Oct 22 2010, 3:49am

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Here is Armitage in Robin Hood Tv Show [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8RmjwAuGN4

http://www.youtube.com/...&feature=related

He clearly as more of Bard´s look than Thorin´s but he does have a deep voice.


duats
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Oct 22 2010, 3:50am

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Their looks aren't the issue [In reply to] Can't Post

It's their voices. It is incredibly difficult to fake your age through your voice and pull it off convincingly. I am familiar with Armitage's work, and he doesn't have the voice for Thorin.

Like I said. Great actor. But too young for the role.


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Oct 22 2010, 3:51am

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I can't help but be reminded of another casting decision... [In reply to] Can't Post

...that made us think the same thing.



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Oct 22 2010, 3:56am

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He definitely has the look..... [In reply to] Can't Post

By the way, did you read the article you linked to?

Not very flattering of his movie critic skills!

He certainly fits the role of Bombur.


Arbutus
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Oct 22 2010, 4:05am

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HELL'S BELLS AND HALLELUJAH!!!! [In reply to] Can't Post

I step away for a few minutes and all Hell breaks loose! I was trying not to be sick and depressed about the situation in New Zealand then WHAMMO! Now I'm sky high and giddy. There's lots of room for discussion and plenty more casting news to come. WHEE!!!


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Oct 22 2010, 4:06am

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Well let's make it trend! [In reply to] Can't Post

Best news I've woken up to since a very long time! :) Sadly I'll have to leave the computer in about 40 minutes, but I'll try to check things with my phone during the day. I think we should try to make #MartinFreeman #theHobbit AND #NewZealand trend together - what say you?

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Compa_Mighty
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Oct 22 2010, 4:21am

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I'm also puzzled about Armitage as Thorin... [In reply to] Can't Post

Especially since we were expecting somone along Brian Cox's build and age... but as I've said before, I trust PJ. Let us see how this pans out... it must have a specific reason...

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Oct 22 2010, 4:23am

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Looks like Martin Freeman and Bilbo are trending already [In reply to] Can't Post

I hope we can add #NewZealand to that list to show our support. Let's do it!

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Oct 22 2010, 4:35am

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Interesting I'm not familiar with the guy at all [In reply to] Can't Post

so you may have a good point I'll see if I can find any clips of him. Is there any chance he can pitch his voice or something? Smile

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Oct 22 2010, 4:56am

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Some good news!!!!!!!!!!! Happiness!!!!!!!!!!

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Horcrux
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Oct 22 2010, 4:57am

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Is anyone *not* happy? [In reply to] Can't Post

I've even registered to the message boards because I NEED to know: is anyone not happy about having Martin Freeman as Bilbo?

I'm not, for some reason. I wish I could be, because that would feel as if I were more supportive of the project, when, in all truthfulness, I don't see him as Bilbo. I liked him as Arthur Dent, I found him perfectly bearable as a new John Watson, but I'm having a hard time accepting him as Bilbo. I like how he sounds and I can hear his voice saying the lines. However, I'll admit to having doubts about it.

All reason put aside... the little girl in me who read the book for the first time when she was 6 doesn't feel Martin Freeman as Bilbo.

I'm sorry for not sharing everyone's enthusiasm, you guys.


Tim
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Oct 22 2010, 5:02am

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I can't say I agree with you but that doesn't mean I don't respect your opinion. I saw this guy as a hobbit when I saw him in The Office and when they announced they were going to make this movie this guy is the first thing that popped into my head. It's all good though, welcome!

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Voorhas
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Oct 22 2010, 5:05am

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Very happy indeed. [In reply to] Can't Post

Couldn't be more pleased with this outcome. Freeman's been my pick for, well, years.


Horcrux
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Oct 22 2010, 5:06am

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Thanks. : )

Well, I suppose I can see him as a hobbit. Especially since I think his voice simply fits the part. I just don't see him as Bilbo, is all. haha


lurtz2010
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Oct 22 2010, 5:07am

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I've never even heard of Martin Freeman [In reply to] Can't Post

But he does look good for a young Ian Holm


Laitholiel_the_SeaElf
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Oct 22 2010, 5:12am

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Oct 22 2010, 5:12am

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...TORn's poor servers must have been overwhelmed! But I was online when the story broke, and after the past two days of miserable news about the production probably moving out of NZ, this was exactly what was needed to cheer us up. I just about leaped off my chair with a geeky shout of joy, I can tell you-- particularly when it was confirmed who Bilbo is going to be! :)

You see, I adore Martin Freeman's portrayal of Dr. John Watson in Sherlock, so when it was originally reported that he had to turn down The Hobbit in favor of Sherlock's second season I was of course a bit disappointed that he wasn't going to be Bilbo (as I thought he'd be just perfect as him), but still mostly relieved, since if only one of those two could be chosen I would rather he stay with Sherlock so the show can continue. But when it was announced tonight that he is indeed going to play Bilbo, I was filled with delight because that means that they got the scheduling issues worked out and he can do both!! :D :D :D

*Ahem*-- did I mention I am extremely happy right now? :D :D :D

*wanders off to read the rest of this thread...* :)

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thesithempire
Rivendell

Oct 22 2010, 5:14am

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I've been pitching for Martin Freeman as THE Bilbo for years, and to see that PJ has been on the same page is gratifying to say the least. This is the very best news I could've heard about this film (other than it being greenlit)!! It's a happy day!

As to the other casting, I think it's brilliant.

To cast an ensemble of THIRTEEN bearded dwarves with names like Fili, Kili, Oin, Gloin, Thorin, Dwalin, Balin, Bifur, Bofur, Bombur, Dori, Nori, and Ori is a monumental task to say the least! In order for audiences to NOT get totally mixed up with who's who (remember that for a brief time when FOTR came, people couldn't even distinguish between Merry and Pippin!!), each actor/character has to be exceedingly distinguishable from the other.

And that's exactly what Jackson and co. did with their casting of the dwarves. By the same token, however, the actors need to believably look like they could be dwarvish (and obviously, I don't mean small in stature). They have to look like they belong to this ancient, stoic and stout culture of beings without all looking like clones of Gimli.

And they do. You have to squint with some of the younger ones and put a beard on them, but otherwise, I think the casting is so far a triumph. Like the human race, we should see a good deal of diversity.

Armitage is capable of an intense, even villainous performance. He's commanding, brooding and somber, and yet, there's a likeability to him that's necessary for Thorin. Personally, I think a lot of our images for ancient-looking dwarves comes from the old cartoon. Beloved as that may be amongst some (and I think it's great fun), that would've been a disaster for the film.

The rumor of Bill Nighy as Smaug is a hopeful one! I love that direction! That's an actor who can play very evil, as witness in the Underworld films. (Though I have to wonder if that's why the makers of Voyage of the Dawn Treader decided he wouldn't make an ideal Reepicheep after all -- though I never thought that was a good idea). The idea of Ron Perlman (a fine actor otherwise) never sat well with me. For one thing, I don't want an American actor in that role (or, for that matter, in any role in this film).

On the down-side of Nighy as Smaug, Nighy's voice is very distinctive. There would need to be some heavy post on his voice to tone that down, and to bring out the fact that this is a huge serpentlike creature speaking.

Anyway, I smell some serious classics being made, with my early prediction being that these two films will equal or surpass Fellowship of the Ring (the clear standout of the trilogy).


Radagast_the_Brown
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Oct 22 2010, 5:15am

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So happy to hear Martin has been confirmed! Laugh

Armitage makes no sense, but we'll see, hopefully this means Fassbender is indeed Bard. I suspect Bard will only be in movie 2 and we won't hear about his casting for a while yet.

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Lorien


Oct 22 2010, 5:17am

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Owain
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Oct 22 2010, 5:18am

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Ok here are the Actor Pics Part ll (Can't find a good pic of John Callen anywhere) [In reply to] Can't Post

Servers must have gotten overwhelmed with traffic while I was trying to upload these.


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Mark Hadlow




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Tim
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Oct 22 2010, 5:29am

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Elven
Valinor


Oct 22 2010, 5:30am

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Finally - The Rainbow appears! [In reply to] Can't Post

and what a pot of gold at the end of it!
Congratulations Martin Freeman and to our new Hobbity cast of actors
... and Graham McTavish! Awesome choice!

... and MrCere was right - the board blew up again, just like the good old days. Excellent! Evil Wink


Kelvarhin
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Oct 22 2010, 5:36am

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And ain't it a glorious one ;D [In reply to] Can't Post

What excellent news Cool



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.. and MrCere was right - the board blew up again, just like the good old days. Excellent! Evil Wink


LOL, yeah had to resort to posting stuff over on Facebook. Hope the poor old server hangs on now WinkEvil


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Oct 22 2010, 5:39am

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Um... no... that's really not an image I want to see.. especially if it's what a dwarf considers sexy WinkLaugh


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LoremIpsum
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Oct 22 2010, 5:40am

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ITARIL? [In reply to] Can't Post

C'mon you know it would be awesome,

PJ again went for a bunch of relatively unknown actors Heart

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http://www.deadline.com/2010/10/peter-jackson-sets-first-names-for-the-hobbit/

Stephen Fry, Saoirse Ronan and Bill Nighy (as the voice of the dragon Smaug)


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bookgirl13
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Oct 22 2010, 5:46am

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In LotR, they could make all the dwarves look alike at the Council of Elrond, we only had to recognise Gimli. In this film, we've got to be able to differentiate between thirteen dwarves. So, varied casting is needed. As for Richard Armitage: he's got the height relative to the others to be a king, his voice is quite deep and he's a very versatile actor, who can play comedy as well as quite ambiguous parts such as in Spooks.

He is also a really nice man and PJ looks for that in long, ensemble shoots. His death in The Hobbit will rival Sean Bean's Boromir!


Ainu Laire
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Oct 22 2010, 5:51am

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Just so long as Bard doesn't develop a relationship with her [In reply to] Can't Post

Thankfully Saoirse is too young, I think. Well, she was. Maybe not anymore. Gah.

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duats
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Oct 22 2010, 5:53am

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Major roles left [In reply to] Can't Post

Balin
Bifur
Bofur
Ori
Nori
William (voice)
Bert (voice)
Tom (voice)
Goblin King
Gwaihir (voice)
Beorn
Thranduil
Bard
Mayor of Laketown
Smaug (voice)
Cirdan the Shipwright
Glorfindel
Radagast
and dare I say it... Saruman?

Am I missing anybody?

Gandalf, Elrond, Galadriel, and Gollum go without saying. And my guess is they'll bring Marton Csokas back for Celeborn.


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Oct 22 2010, 5:56am

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It's always fascinating [In reply to] Can't Post

how differently people envision things when they read the books.


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the little girl in me who read the book for the first time when she was 6 doesn't feel Martin Freeman as Bilbo.

He was my first choice when it became obvious that Ian Holm wouldn't be able to play the role again.

But take heart - a lot of people were really, I mean really unhappy about Elijah Wood being cast as Frodo.("He's much too young! And American! And he has freakishly huge eyes and he's not hobbity at all!") Nearly all of them were eventually won over when they actually saw the movies. So even though it isn't who you would have chosen, you may yet be pleasantly surprised. Wait until you see the promo photos and see the advance sneak-peek trailers and you may find that it works better than you can imagine now.

Even if it doesn't, you're very welcome to join in the conversation here and watch these movies unfold. It's going to be a great journey. Smile

Silverlode

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Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
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Solos
The Shire

Oct 22 2010, 5:57am

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I've been waiting to hear Martin Freeman as Bilbo for years! Great news!!!! I am a little worried by some of the dwarf choices, they don't all look dwarvish to me. But oh well, I trust Peter to do a wonderful job making Middle-Earth come to life once more! Another cheer for Martin Freeman!!!!!Wink


Owain
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Oct 22 2010, 5:58am

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And... a tiny picture of John Callen... but maybe even more interesting... [In reply to] Can't Post

a snippet of his voice work. That seems to be the bulk of what he has done. Great voice!

And no... I didn't run out and take a pic of myself in a suit of armor. This is literally the only pic I could find of him.

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Here is his voice sample.


http://www.wom.co.nz/?q=node/32/lightbox2

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Owain
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Oct 22 2010, 5:59am

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The dude has an epic voice. Me likeee.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Oct 22 2010, 6:01am

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All those years after I first suggested him. :-)

Yes, and I jumped on that bandwagon right behind you. So nice to see it come to pass.

I admit, like others, I would have picked Richard Armitage for Bard rather than Thorin, so that will take some mental adjustment.

Now I really want to know who we're going to have for Bard and Beorn.




Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
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Silverlode
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Oct 22 2010, 6:02am

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Dain should probably be on that list too. [In reply to] Can't Post

 And if the Stephen Fry rumor is true, I'm thinking maybe Master of Laketown.

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories

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Owain
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Oct 22 2010, 6:03am

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I too am kind of scratching my head about Thorin... must be something there... [In reply to] Can't Post

I was definitely picturing someone a lot older and with greater girth if you will.Wink

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SirDennisC
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Oct 22 2010, 6:04am

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Not Bard? [In reply to] Can't Post

He did cut quite a figure in V for Vendetta...


sharku
Rivendell

Oct 22 2010, 6:05am

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We come to it at last [In reply to] Can't Post

The meat course has arrived.

Martin Freeman - great stuff...and as an above poster said, it's somehow gratifying by proxy to have been thinking along the same lines as PJ and GdT.

Richard Armitage... in PJ we trust - he looks and sounds the part - and his voice is OK. It's that somewhat faux deep, though, like Christian Bale's in Batman, or Jackie Earle Haley in Watchmen, rather than genuinely booming like Brian Blessed's.

Classic skit (Blackadder 'deep booming voice'):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp4jqfkZZoM


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Owain
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Oct 22 2010, 6:08am

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Michael Fassbender would make a great Bard and he is rumored. [In reply to] Can't Post









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Silverlode
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Oct 22 2010, 6:08am

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*runs away*



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that's really not an image I want to see.. especially if it's what a dwarf considers sexy WinkLaugh


Sly


Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories


SirDennisC
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Oct 22 2010, 6:08am

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RA has it in him to play the back-biting Thorin afterall, imho.


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Oct 22 2010, 6:09am

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Wink

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
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Kelvarhin
Half-elven


Oct 22 2010, 6:11am

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Someone had to bring *that* up Laugh

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Owain
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Oct 22 2010, 6:13am

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I could see Stephen Fry as one of the dwarves. [In reply to] Can't Post

In fact, I said so some time ago.

Here was my cast wish list awhile back. I have a thing for images. Pardon my spelling on Thranduil... I think I put Thrandil or something...

http://newboards.theonering.net/...i?post=105432#105432

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SirDennisC
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Oct 22 2010, 6:14am

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Unless my eyes are mistaking me [In reply to] Can't Post

he is one handsome, though suitably grim-faced, fellow. But then, being a guy, I have no idea what the ladies look for in a romantic hero.

Just to reassure you, he is not so well known outside of Germany. Perhaps you have seen too much of him?


macfalk
Valinor


Oct 22 2010, 6:16am

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Freeman to play Bilbo - great. Havent seen much of him but he looks like a great choice and in the right age.

Armitage to play Thorin - WHAT?! He is at least 20-30 years too young! Thorin is supposed to be very old and I expected someone in the range of ages 50-75. But what the hell, I gotta trust PJ.

Hunter to play Bombur - He looks great! I was afraid he was going to be some sort of skinny teenager, that would have been awful. But he looks great!

Another note is that Balin isn't here. It's worrying I think. I have no problem if they decide to not have all thirteen dwarves, but for heaven's sake, keep Balin! He's a very important dwarf, Fellowship, Balin's Tomb... If he would have been in The Hobbit it would have been great, the audience who would watch The Hobbit and then LOTR would then get without any problem who this Balin dwarf is who lies fallen in Moria.



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Kelvarhin
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Oct 22 2010, 6:17am

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you're still hoping to be Bard, aren't you SlySlyWinkTongue

*runs and hides*

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Nesse
Lorien

Oct 22 2010, 6:17am

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those three look the part but... [In reply to] Can't Post

I also would have thought Armitage would have been bard, pity to hide those good looks under all those prothetics


Owain
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Oct 22 2010, 6:18am

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They confirmed that all the dwarves would be involved.... [In reply to] Can't Post

... this is by no means an exhaustive list of the cast. In fact Phillipa said that they still had a lot of casting to do in one of the interviews at the Bag End set I believe it was.

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Oct 22 2010, 6:20am

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*dabs drool from Kitty's chin* [In reply to] Can't Post

Cheeky? Is that what you call it down under? Laugh


duats
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Oct 22 2010, 6:23am

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I thought [In reply to] Can't Post

Stephen Fry was in the running to voice Smaug?


macfalk
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Oct 22 2010, 6:25am

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Second thoughts... (BALIN)! [In reply to] Can't Post

Okay, maybe Armitage will work after all.

But BALIN! BALIN!

I love Balin. He's the single dwarf who always trusted Bilbo to 100%, and after the adventure became very good friends. And dont forget his connections to LOTR. Where is he? Unsure

Like I said earlier, I am quite sure that 13 dwarves (more than half of them mute) won't work on film. They're probably cutting it by half, and I don't think so many people would protest if they cut out Bofur, Bifur,Nori etc... but SAVE BALIN!

BALIN!

I'm also looking at you, TORN-member Balinman.

Cool

Balin.



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Nesse
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Oct 22 2010, 6:36am

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David Tennant? [In reply to] Can't Post

is he still in the running....Thandruil?


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Oct 22 2010, 6:37am

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Perhaps [In reply to] Can't Post

it wasn't very clear to me if all those names were being considered for Smaug, or some other role in the movies. I could see him as the voice of Smaug, but as a fan of his, his voice is very very familiar to me and it might be just a tad distracting. I think he'd be interesting as the Master of Laketown, though I wouldn't complain either way.

But on the other hand, he's been in contact with PJ a lot because he's been working on the Dambusters script, so it's hard to know if the rumors of him being in the running for the Hobbit are true or if he's just being included because of other associations.

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Oct 22 2010, 6:39am

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He has a good look for it [In reply to] Can't Post

but I'm not familiar with any of his work, so I can't judge beyond that.


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Michael Fassbender would make a great Bard and he is rumored.


Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
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Owain
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Oct 22 2010, 6:41am

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Hmmm... did PJ and Co. announce differently. [In reply to] Can't Post

[quoteLike I said earlier, I am quite sure that 13 dwarves (more than half of them mute) won't work on film


They have expressly stated that all of them would be in the film. Of course things change, revisions are made. Something I am missing?

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duats
Grey Havens

Oct 22 2010, 6:41am

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Trust me [In reply to] Can't Post


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but I'm not familiar with any of his work, so I can't judge beyond that.



Michael Fassbender is quickly becoming one of the best actors working today. He'd be perfect.


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macfalk
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Oct 22 2010, 6:43am

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GDT said 13 dwarves, but that was over a year ago... [In reply to] Can't Post

Scripts are often re-written.



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Owain
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Oct 22 2010, 6:45am

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Have you seen Inglorious Basterds (yes its spelled like that in the film) or 300? [In reply to] Can't Post





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duats
Grey Havens

Oct 22 2010, 6:46am

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There has to be 13 dwarves [In reply to] Can't Post

This is one of those things that Jackson simply cannot change. The fact that there are thirteen dwarves is one of the very reasons that Bilbo is brought along in the first place. To be the lucky number.


Silmaril
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Oct 22 2010, 6:46am

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no til schweiger! [In reply to] Can't Post

i agree! brrr.


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Oct 22 2010, 6:46am

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*bites lil bros fingers* [In reply to] Can't Post

Yep WinkSlyEvilTongue


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Oct 22 2010, 6:47am

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I already acknowledged that revisions are made... point is taken... [In reply to] Can't Post

but there isn't any reason to believe that they have changed their mind. If I remember correctly it was the feeling of the screenwriters that there would be 13 dwarves... a group of which GDT is still apart and Peter Jackson is a member of.Tongue

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macfalk
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Oct 22 2010, 6:49am

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I have a hunch that Balin is left out // [In reply to] Can't Post

 



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Oct 22 2010, 6:58am

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Haven't seen either. [In reply to] Can't Post

But I've seen lots of people talking about them around here lately. I'm not really concerned, as I was quite happy with the casting for LOTR and I think that PJ and Co have very good casting instincts for the most part.

Silverlode

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Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
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Nesse
Lorien

Oct 22 2010, 6:58am

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I doubt [In reply to] Can't Post

they would leave Balin out....could Jimmy Nesbitt play the part, we still have Master of Lake Town, Thandruil and Bard oh and Beorn and Ive heard that Jimmy Nesbitt and David Tennant are still rumoured so maybe its one of them.


Silverlode
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Oct 22 2010, 7:00am

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This is only the beginning of casting announcements. [In reply to] Can't Post

There will be more to come. No need to worry at this point. Smile

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories


duats
Grey Havens

Oct 22 2010, 7:09am

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Why? [In reply to] Can't Post

He has a specific mention in FoTR. Technically, he even makes an appearance. Think of the added impact that scene in FoTR will have if Balin is in this film.

Jackson has said they haven't finished casting. No sense in assuming the worst Wink.


Owain
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Oct 22 2010, 7:10am

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Hm. Ok.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Nesse
Lorien

Oct 22 2010, 7:23am

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I hope and pray... [In reply to] Can't Post

that among these we will still see Andy Serkis, Ian Mc Kellen and co who were in LotR sign up then I will be truly happy.


duats
Grey Havens

Oct 22 2010, 7:33am

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PJ discusses casting choices [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.awardsdaily.com/...s-hobbit/#more-30673


Elven
Valinor


Oct 22 2010, 7:33am

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I hope it hangs in there too ... [In reply to] Can't Post

I sort of go a bit weird when I can't get in here - it means I have to actually do some real work until the board comes back up again Tongue Wink

Happy dance Kel. WOOT! Laugh


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Oct 22 2010, 7:44am

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*grins* [In reply to] Can't Post

yeah, it's a bit like being a cat locked out of the house, *climbing the flyscreen, desperate to get insideSly*. And I'd far rather be playing here than doing the housework EvilLaugh

Oh yeah, very happy dance Elven YIPPEEE CoolLaugh


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Oct 22 2010, 7:58am

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Kind of reminds me of a less gnarly Kevin McKidd [In reply to] Can't Post

who, by the way, would probably also make a decent Bard.

The thing about that role, is that as well as putting female keisters in theatre seats, he has to be someone us fellas can admire and aspire to be like. Bard, for me, is an Aragorn-esque figure -- Viggo will prove a tough act to follow whomever they choose.


SirDennisC
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Oct 22 2010, 8:12am

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On Richard Armitage as Thorin [In reply to] Can't Post

imagine that nose, under prosthetics, in 3D. Whoa.


Owain
Tol Eressea


Oct 22 2010, 8:13am

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Yeah... Michael Fassbender is a guy's guy... but the ladies like him too. [In reply to] Can't Post

Win, Win.Wink

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SirDennisC
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Oct 22 2010, 8:19am

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Was kinda hoping for Jeremy Renner for Bilbo [In reply to] Can't Post

But I'm sure this Morgan Freeman guy will do fine, whoever he is.Tongue


Kelvarhin
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Oct 22 2010, 8:23am

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Oooooo [In reply to] Can't Post

Yuk!!

Now you're putting me off my dinner CrazyTongue

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Oct 22 2010, 8:27am

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Finally casting info!...now if they could just get NZ back. [In reply to] Can't Post


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I thought Stephen Fry was in the running to voice Smaug?



"Stephen Fry, Saoirse Ronan and Bill Nighy (as the voice of the dragon Smaug) -are possible participants"

So, it's not official yet. Who knows? I can't really see Bill Nighy as Smaug, but it doesn't mean it's not true.

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Chiticot
The Shire


Oct 22 2010, 8:37am

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A too young Thorin [In reply to] Can't Post

I think too, that Richard Armitage is too young for Thorin and too skinny. But he has a deep voice.

I like Martin Freeman as Bilbo, although I've never seen him in a movie, but he has that Hobbit look.

As for Bard, I was hoping for Toby Stephens. Tongue

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macfalk
Valinor


Oct 22 2010, 8:39am

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Haha, S.Ronan for the voice of Smaug? That would be something! [In reply to] Can't Post

Cool



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Owlyross
Rohan


Oct 22 2010, 8:46am

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At the time of LOTR who'd heard of [In reply to] Can't Post

Orlando Bloom, Karl Urban, Miranda Otto, hell, even Viggo Mortensen was a little known character actor.

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Oct 22 2010, 8:46am

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Now sit down [In reply to] Can't Post

and write 100 times: "His name is Martin Freeman, not Morgan Freeman", so you get to know at least his name Tongue



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Pipe Dream
Gondor


Oct 22 2010, 8:48am

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Too young for Thorin! [In reply to] Can't Post

That was my first impression too, maybe after a wig and prosthetics it won't matter?

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Rivendell

Oct 22 2010, 8:49am

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Yay and Yay again to Martin Freeman!! [In reply to] Can't Post

Yay to Ricahrd Armitage being in it at all!!!! I'd have prefered him as the Bard, but hey - he's in it!!!


FrodoEyes
Rivendell

Oct 22 2010, 8:52am

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Nah... [In reply to] Can't Post


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I can't really see Bill Nighy as Smaug.


Nah, not scaly enough Wink


Ainu Laire
Tol Eressea


Oct 22 2010, 9:00am

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Want, please! [In reply to] Can't Post

*crosses fingers* I got my choice in Bilbo, here's for hoping I strike lucky twice :D

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Oct 22 2010, 9:07am

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Hey [In reply to] Can't Post

Has nobody welcomed you to Valinor yet?

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Oct 22 2010, 9:09am

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Yep [In reply to] Can't Post

but I did it by PM WinkLaugh

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bookgirl13
Lorien


Oct 22 2010, 9:10am

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Richard Armitags too young? [In reply to] Can't Post

He is too young according to the book, although he is not the oldest of the dwarves. Elijah Wood was too young for Frodo, as in the book he's meant to be the oldest of the four hobbits. But the casting made some sense, in that the innocence of the hobbits in the wide world was emphasised by Elijah's youth.

So for Thorin, they need someone who can physically look the exiled King under the Mountain, amongst the other dwarves. Richard Armitage can bring that aspect to the fore. And perhaps PJ decided that, as their main cast was dwarvish, the prosthetics that Gimli wore were too all-encompassing to enable all the dwarves to be distinguished easily. So hopefully we will still recognize him even when in full makeup.

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Peredhil lover
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Oct 22 2010, 9:11am

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No [In reply to] Can't Post

You're the first one, save Kelvarhin, who did it in private. Guess we're all a bit preoccupied right now Wink

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Oct 22 2010, 9:18am

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I can see deej and many others [In reply to] Can't Post

   

happy-dancing all over the place with the Freeman news!

FINALLY FINALLY FINALLY we've got NAMES AND BODIES AND PEOPLE!!! WOOHOOO!!!!!!!!

I'm so worn out from riding this roller-coaster ride over the past week that I could only clear about an EIGHT FOOT LEAP OF JOY!!!! *squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee*

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Shagrat
Gondor

Oct 22 2010, 9:21am

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Is anyone else distinctly underwhelmed? [In reply to] Can't Post

I expected Brian Cox, James Cosmo and Jack Thompson as Dwarves - rugged, stocky older men - not young, well-built actors - who for that matter aren't very good.

I'd love to place blind trust in Jackson, but this is deeply concerning, I think he's got this completely wrong.


Huan71
Lorien

Oct 22 2010, 9:47am

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Wow... [In reply to] Can't Post


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I expected Brian Cox, James Cosmo and Jack Thompson as Dwarves - rugged, stocky older men - not young, well-built actors - who for that matter aren't very good.

...Not very good actors? A tad harsh, surely? The ones i'm familiar with are generally reckoned to be pretty talented guy's ! As for the 'look'...well, i know what you mean. But i'll reserve judgement until after i see the makeup and prosthetics added.


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Oct 22 2010, 10:04am

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We can't know that until we see them in character in the films. [In reply to] Can't Post


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I expected Brian Cox, James Cosmo and Jack Thompson as Dwarves - rugged, stocky older men - not young, well-built actors - who for that matter aren't very good.

I'd love to place blind trust in Jackson, but this is deeply concerning, I think he's got this completely wrong.


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maut
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Oct 22 2010, 10:05am

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Wow! [In reply to] Can't Post

Pretty good casting! Martin Freeman! Yes! I Like him in Sherlock and I think he's right choice. Other names are still unknown for me.

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Oct 22 2010, 10:15am

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"rounding out the company of dwarves" [In reply to] Can't Post

Does it worry anyone else that there were not thriteen names there for the dwarves? Are we therefore to assume some have been excised?

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belba
The Shire

Oct 22 2010, 10:28am

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happy [In reply to] Can't Post

Laughwell im rarther happy i like a lot of the casting and think it will be a good cast.
on a personal basis i love the casting of kili and fili actors as i think they will look the part.Sly


Daisy Gold
The Shire

Oct 22 2010, 10:34am

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Happy days [In reply to] Can't Post

I am so overjoyed that Martin Freeman will be Bilbo. He certainly has that Hobbit look. I love his portrayal of Dr. John Watson in Sherlock. I feel he will make an excellent hobbit adventurer.
Richard Armitage is an interesting choice as a dwarf. I have seen him in the TV version of Robin Hood. He gave a strong villainous performance as Guy of Gisborne. He has a romantic look about him too which I would like to see in Thorin.
I DO hope the dwarfs don’t all end up looking like Gimlis or Snowwhite’s seven friends.



maut
Rivendell


Oct 22 2010, 10:38am

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I do not see the reason [In reply to] Can't Post

to worry. It is said that it is the cast fo several important dwarves, and casting still has not ended. So I think we'll have Balin, Bifur et al.

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Oct 22 2010, 10:38am

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Does anybody know where Kangi Ska is? [In reply to] Can't Post

I miss his posts... Maybe I'm overseeing them, but I'd like to see what his opinion is of these actors. :)

Some sour to the sweet. Wink Just joking, but I liked the selfnamed 'Cynic of the boards'.


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Oct 22 2010, 10:38am

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I have always pictured Brian Blessed as a perfect choice for Beorn but... [In reply to] Can't Post

...now when comparing to Richard Armitage I could see Blessed even as Thorin.


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Oct 22 2010, 10:39am

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Congratulations :-) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


terrymerry
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Oct 22 2010, 10:56am

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Martin Freeman must be careful not to overdo ... [In reply to] Can't Post

Martin Freeman must be careful not to, overdo the Irony aspect of his acting, which is very funny, and should be saved for the more poignant bits in the movie, and maybe little more emotion, to replace the Irony...Evil


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Oct 22 2010, 11:00am

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Maybe because of the NZ actor hiring freeze? [In reply to] Can't Post


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"rounding out the company of dwarves" Does it worry anyone else that there were not thirteen names there for the dwarves? Are we therefore to assume some have been excised?


PJ and PB said that WB had just asked them to stop hiring NZ actors. Perhaps this is why the list is incomplete?

Suddenly I feel like Robin Williams in Good Morning Vietnam: "Seeing as how the V.P. is such a V.I.P., shouldn't we keep the P.C. on the Q.T.? 'Cause if it leaks to the V.C. he could end up M.I.A., and then we'd all be put out in K.P."

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Shagrat
Gondor

Oct 22 2010, 11:00am

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Not really.... [In reply to] Can't Post

I've seen these guys act. Armitage is bland, straight out of the Clive Owen school. Turner was awful in Being Human and that New Romantics thing. And as for Kazinsky, his main role was in Eastenders - need anything else be said? McTavish and the relative unknowns playing the rest of the Dwarves I have no problem with, but the casting of Thorin, Kili and Fili leaves a lot to be desired.


terrymerry
Rivendell


Oct 22 2010, 11:07am

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It`s a way to lure the teenage girls into the Cinema, sexy dwarfs Laugh and the film has got pay the Hollywood toll...


bookgirl13
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Oct 22 2010, 11:16am

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I've seen these guys act. Armitage is bland, straight out of the Clive Owen school. Turner was awful in Being Human and that New Romantics thing. And as for Kazinsky, his main role was in Eastenders - need anything else be said? McTavish and the relative unknowns playing the rest of the Dwarves I have no problem with, but the casting of Thorin, Kili and Fili leaves a lot to be desired.


I didn't like Richard Armitage in Robin Hood, but his acting as John Thornton in North And South was anything but bland, and he's quite ambiguous and menacing in Spooks. I had my doubts about Martin Freeman, but then he has impressed me as Dr Watson. Often the actor is hobbled by the quality of the writing and the direction, so one has to hope that PJ brings out the best in all his cast. He managed that for the most part in LotR.


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Oct 22 2010, 11:21am

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Archieal
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Oct 22 2010, 11:24am

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Does it not worry anyone else that Kili and Fili, who are twins (identical ones at that), don't look very alike? >_> okay, they have a similar jaw line but...





Also, Thorin Oakenshield needs more meat on his bones, as someone else has mentioned.. Though, maybe he'll plump up for the role/have a fat suit on/prosthetics? Christmas is coming up, so I'm sure he can find a way to eat more turkey etc etc. :D


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B.R.n
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Oct 22 2010, 11:25am

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13 dwarves?too many [In reply to] Can't Post

I agree.I would actually be content if PJ might cut down some "prop" dwarves.The Fellowship had 9 members and 11 hours of footage to develop.Furthemore, all of Elrond's employees were quite different from one another(race,creed etc.) and they even folowed 4-5 different storylines.

In "The Hobbit" novel we have 13 "Gimlis" that always stay togehter ,going off on the same routes and endurng the same hardships.6-7 dwarves seems reasonable to me.If they are to include the entire pack, then perhaps they could introduce them gradually into the story, prefferably before they reach Rivendell.But I really don't think that PJ&co will go for the "all-inclusive".

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Estel78
Tol Eressea

Oct 22 2010, 11:36am

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Ainu Laire
Tol Eressea


Oct 22 2010, 11:43am

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No, I doubt it [In reply to] Can't Post

One of the biggest dwarves in the book, Balin- and one of the few mentioned in LOTR, including film verse- has yet to be announced. And he will most certainly be in the film.

In the past, Guillermo del Toro said that all dwarves are staying. I see no reason to believe that the statement has changed; the other contracts perhaps have not yet been finalized yet, that's all.

Among the other 5 dwarves, there are still several other parts to be announced... Bard, Beorn, and Thranduil to name some.

And, of course, hearing Saiorse Ronan- the girl in the Lovely Bones- being mentioned in rumors certainly raises some questions about any added female roles...

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the_argonath
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Oct 22 2010, 11:53am

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:o Casting! [In reply to] Can't Post

Wow this is a lot of names to contend with! I'm glad Martin Freeman is Bilbo though... since his name was mentionned I couldn't think of anyone else more perfect :D
As for the others, I confess I'm not too familiar with them (I've seen Richard Armitage on TV a few times) so I need to gen up. But they know what they're doing, and I'm confident we'll get more news soon about the rest of the dwarves Smile

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Elladan
Rivendell

Oct 22 2010, 12:05pm

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Hmm depends what ends up in the film [In reply to] Can't Post

Elrohir and Elladan, those 2 would not miss out on an assault on Dol Guldur, I would think they would be invovled with the white council as well, certainly if Arwen is there they would be.

Dain? Thrain? Azog? Thror?

TBH I am not sure there will be a voice for Gwaihir, I cant help thinking he will just talk in a language only Gandalf can understand.

and can I just say omg 5 more dwarves yet to be announced, I will never remember them all, and then I shall feel shame.

Incidentaly why do all the American reports say Richard Armitage is in a show called MI-5? Its called Spooks, or does it have a different name in America, if it is even shown there?

Cant imagine what role Saoirse Ronan could play, it would have to have been made up for a start, but if she is the rumoured elf maiden wouldnt she be a bit young to play the role? I cant recall Tolkien mentioning anything about teenage elves, but I always took this to mean they were very much out of the picture untill they were much older.


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Oct 22 2010, 12:09pm

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MI5 [In reply to] Can't Post

The word spooks has a negative historical connotation in the US. MI5 was chosen as the title for US release. The series is available on DVD and is currently showing on my local PBS station on a weekly basis.


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Oct 22 2010, 12:10pm

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... Incidentaly why do all the American reports say Richard Armitage is in a show called MI-5? Its called Spooks, or does it have a different name in America, if it is even shown there?


Spooks is shown under the name MI-5 in USA


Elladan
Rivendell

Oct 22 2010, 12:19pm

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BoB [In reply to] Can't Post

Wheres BoB?

I got the impression that he would be playing a dwarf of some kind, still 6 dwarves to go though, given his recent radio call in I am inclined to believe him when he says he has a part.


Elladan
Rivendell

Oct 22 2010, 12:35pm

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I think you need to reread the hobbit. [In reply to] Can't Post

Actually Kili and Fili are not twins let alone identical, I dont have a copy of LotRs to hand but look up the family trees and you will see one is a few years older than the other.

Incidentaly many other sets of like named dwarves are closely related, some also siblings as far as I can remember, I have to wonder why everyone fixates on these 2.


RaoulJ
Rivendell


Oct 22 2010, 12:40pm

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maybe... [In reply to] Can't Post

maybe he is one of the last ones. I don't know what to make of his little clues and his hints that he has a role.

2 weeks ago he said that he was waiting for the greenlight and the call which role he was playing.

He also said that he had an agreement with NewLine, so he can't talk about it.

It would be great if he was in the Hobbit, our own insider.

Still remaining scpetic though


diedye
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Oct 22 2010, 12:41pm

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Aren't they all too young and too thin for these parts?... [In reply to] Can't Post

Not that I'm complaining or anything... 'cause... Aidan Turner?... ROWWR!! Heart









B-b-but... that means no more BEING HUMAN?!

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Oct 22 2010, 12:42pm

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Fili and Kili are about 5 years apart in age [In reply to] Can't Post

It should not be a problem. Where did the idea that they were identical twins come from?


Elladan
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Oct 22 2010, 12:43pm

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True. [In reply to] Can't Post

PJ said he was told to stop casting NZers yet he already had 8 cast, so far I count 3 on the list so there are at least 5 more he hasnt announced yet, the real question is does that include imigrants into NZ?


Archieal
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Oct 22 2010, 12:45pm

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woops [In reply to] Can't Post

No idea why I thought they where twins then.. I've always had it in my head that they where! Oops!


RaoulJ
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Oct 22 2010, 12:46pm

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wel... [In reply to] Can't Post

Bob isn't a NZ'er, but he lives in NZ. And the order came from WB, probably about the location of the Hobbit. I don't think it's about if you are a 'real' kiwi, but about if you live in New Zealand.


Chiticot
The Shire


Oct 22 2010, 12:47pm

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Craig Parker isn't from NZ too? Or did he have something to do with the boycott? I think Haldir would go to the attack of Dol Guldur.

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Elladan
Rivendell

Oct 22 2010, 12:51pm

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as a prominant member of NZAE but then I may be getting confused between him and the guy who played Hamling, either way I doubt it will be an issue, PJ and PB already said they it wasnt NZAEs fault that it was a result of the MMAEs involvement so I doubt they would hold a grudge if his part was called for again. TBH I would say it all depends on weather they consider Haldir as a high ranking officer as in the later films or, a border guard as in the books.


bookgirl13
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Oct 22 2010, 12:57pm

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I'm of the opinion that it is necessary for Bilbo to be the fourteenth member of the party on the quest. It was the main reason that Gandalf persuaded a sceptical Thorin to accept a hobbit along. One of the key attributes of Bilbo was his luck and preventing an unlucky number forming the party was an important part of that.

Seeing the casting of the dwarves so far, it is obvious that PJ is not wanting to have a troop of Gimli lookalikes in the roles, as it would be impossible to tell them apart, no matter how many there were of them. I thought I'd read that they are trying to give distinctive characters to all the dwarves, so that they could be differentiated. Several of them have already got distinct personalities in the book, so they just have to build on that. Smile


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Oct 22 2010, 1:15pm

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Master of Laketown. He would be genius as the overbearing, egotistical Master, and would inject just the right amount of comedy to show that the character is little more than a blowhard without making him into a caricature. Can you just imagine Fry as Master running from the town as Smaug comes roaring down the mountain?

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Oct 22 2010, 1:15pm

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Same here. [In reply to] Can't Post

It seems a shame he's going to be all covered up in his dwarf prosthetics, too!

And that quote: *swoon* Laugh



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Oct 22 2010, 1:18pm

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I think Bill Nighy would be excellent [In reply to] Can't Post

The creature Smaug is scary, but remember that the voice is smooth and seductive. Bilbo has to be very careful in talking with Smaug to avoid falling into a trap. Nighy has the perfect voice for Smaug. There are other actors who would do as well, of course, but if Nighy is announced as Smaug I would be very happy.

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NottaSackville
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Oct 22 2010, 1:20pm

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Nice to know that PJ is providing you with new material [In reply to] Can't Post

Now that Mr. Boromir has passed the half-century mark...

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Oct 22 2010, 1:25pm

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Oct 22 2010, 1:28pm

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I couldn't remember if it was you or Patty [In reply to] Can't Post

but when I first heard of Martin Freeman I was in full agreement - he will be a great Bilbo.

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Alassëa Eruvande
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Oct 22 2010, 1:30pm

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ROWWR!! is right! [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm looking forward to all the EI threads in the future! Laugh



And suddenly the Tornadoes saw afar off a greenlight, as it were a cloud with a living heart of flame;
and they knew that this was no vision only, but that PJ had made a new thing: The Hobbit, the Film that Is.


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Oct 22 2010, 1:37pm

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Rather doubt it [In reply to] Can't Post

With such a huge cast it seems unlikely to me that they would announce all at once. Start with some names, get the fans all excited, then give them a new one now and then, that keeps them happy, busy and gossiping Wink

Plus, with all the drama about the Hobbit staying or moving offshore I'd think that Peter and his crew do have other problems to solve first and will let the casting rest until the situation with Warner has been cleared up. So don't worry, there's still a lot of time until filming starts and lots of time to announce more actors.



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diedye
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Oct 22 2010, 1:38pm

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... always a man of Gondor...

And some things just get better with age... Blush



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flodwyns
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Oct 22 2010, 1:40pm

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Richard Armitage too young? [In reply to] Can't Post

Richard Armitage has a beautiful voice......often described as deep, warm and earthy and he is much sought after for voiceovers, adverts and audiobooks......you can find sound-bites on most of his fan sites. His singing voice is a mellow baritone too.

For his role in Strike Back earlier this year he trained hard with former SAS personnel and has quite a muscular physique. Anything else can be achieved with padding! Wink

I'm a huge fan of his and I think he will be brilliant as Thorin.


Peredhil lover
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Oct 22 2010, 1:40pm

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Away [In reply to] Can't Post

He said yesterday that he'll be away from his computer for four days.



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Tol Eressea


Oct 22 2010, 1:41pm

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No Bill Bailey? [In reply to] Can't Post

I was really hoping to see his name on the cast list; he'd make a great Dwarf! Perhaps we still will.

But HURRAY! for Martin Freeman as Bilbo, and excited to see Aiden Turner on the list; he may replace Orlando as Hottest Elf. Cool


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RaoulJ
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Oct 22 2010, 1:41pm

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Oh thanks... [In reply to] Can't Post

Didn't know that. Do you know why?


deej
Tol Eressea


Oct 22 2010, 1:45pm

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I'm dubbing him Bigwit. [In reply to] Can't Post

Bilbo is great....who is that?!?!

Orlando had better watch out. Heart


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Estel78
Tol Eressea

Oct 22 2010, 1:50pm

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With prosthetics and a beard on? I doubt it. [In reply to] Can't Post


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excited to see Aiden Turner on the list; he may replace Orlando as Hottest Elf. Cool



Peredhil lover
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Oct 22 2010, 1:51pm

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You're welcome! [In reply to] Can't Post

No, no idea, I just accidentally remembered seeing this post and went googling to be certain it *was* Kangi who said that. That's all I know.



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Oct 22 2010, 1:52pm

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*gets bottle of bubbly miruvor out of cooler* [In reply to] Can't Post

*pops cork* Congratulations!

My apologies - with so much posting going on, I should be keeping better track of everyone, at this rate half the Board is going to reach Tol Eressea before too long! Laugh


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Peredhil lover
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Oct 22 2010, 1:58pm

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*raises glass* Cheers! [In reply to] Can't Post

Thank you, Dernie!

No need to apologise, usually I tend to overlook it myself. And at the moment we all have other worries than that Wink

Yeah, it will be quite crowded over there. And the other ones who have already reached the shores of Valinor are immortal by then Laugh



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Oct 22 2010, 2:02pm

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Empedocles
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Oct 22 2010, 2:06pm

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Michael Fassbender [In reply to] Can't Post

I suggested his name almost two years ago after seeing him as "Stelios" in 300. Then he went on to steal every scene he was in, in "Inglorious Basterds", he was awesome in "Centurion" and Oscar-worthy in "Hunger". He is now playing Carl Jung in a David Cronenberg movie, in which Viggo plays Sigmund Freud.

I hope with all my heart he gets cast as Bard, Glorfindel or Thranduil. He's one of the best actors of his generation.

As to Richard Armitage, I also think he's very young but I've never seen him act so I can't really give an opinion on him. Besides, I promised not to judge casting ever again before seeing a movie after hating Chris Nolan for choosing Heath Ledger to play the Joker and PJ for casting a bland-blonde guy, who I had seen in that Sandra Bullock romantic comedy as Aragorn. Obviously, I don't need to say how wrong I was.

Also, just saw a picture of Armitage at Aint it Cool News and I can see something of Thorin in him

Ah, and by the way, Martin Freeman is awesome

Please, give us back Glorfindel!!!

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Eruthurin
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Oct 22 2010, 2:09pm

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Totally puzzled too! [In reply to] Can't Post

Yeah Compa... it's so odd...! so many pretty faces for dwarves...!

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The White Lady
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Oct 22 2010, 2:09pm

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Armitage is a Tolkein fan! [In reply to] Can't Post

I found a small mention on one of his fan sites, but the reference link was wrong, so an hour later, after searching through a million other articles, I found it: http://vulpeslibris.wordpress.com/2009/07/08/in-conversation-with-richard-armitage/

It's quite interesting to see how he really reads around his characters, but specifically he read LOTR and TH as a child and says "The Lord of the Rings: the best adventure novel for a 12-year-old boy. A ‘road movie’. I was playing one of the Elves in a school play at the time (researching even back then)."

I think he'll be great as Thorin (never mind that he is total eye candy Heart Wink), but I'm even more convinced now that PJ has seen something about him that will make him perfect.


bookgirl13
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Oct 22 2010, 2:13pm

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deej
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Oct 22 2010, 2:13pm

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There was a rumor he may be playing 2 roles... [In reply to] Can't Post

not only a Dwarf, but an Elven King as well.


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Ethel Duath
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Oct 22 2010, 2:16pm

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Now *that* made my day! [In reply to] Can't Post

I grew up with rope swings, and that would have been my dream come true!!

I think he'll do great as *any* dwarf, and from what I can see, I'm going to enjoy watching ol' Bombur very much!


NottaSackville
Tol Eressea

Oct 22 2010, 2:19pm

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True - with all his Numenorian blood, he should be good to a least 75... // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


bookgirl13
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Oct 22 2010, 2:20pm

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I picked up in this as well [In reply to] Can't Post

I remember reading about his love of Tolkien as well as using Mac computers a while ago. I thought then that he was obviously a man with tremendous taste and talent. PJ has obviously seen the same and it has formed a big part of his casting choices.


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Oct 22 2010, 2:27pm

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No, I was the one who wanted Hugh Bonneville. But Freeman was my second choice! [In reply to] Can't Post

Woo-Hoo!

However, it's going to take quite a bit for me to get behind the choice of Richard Armitage in that role. I know my advanced age is working against me, but I see much of this casting as skewing younger than I would have thought from reading the book.

I love Bill Nighy, and it would be some kind of "coming home", as he voiced Sam in the wonderful LotR audio dramatization. But I think now I'll be hearing Davey Jones.

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Oct 22 2010, 2:28pm

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His voice is beautiful. [In reply to] Can't Post

But actually, if I may use this word on a family board, I find it SEXY. Not commanding. I would have preferred a deep voice of the tembor of Brian Blessed (although he himself is too old for the role.)

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Oct 22 2010, 2:34pm

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Well, he has mentioned before that he works weird hours. [In reply to] Can't Post

So maybe he's just at work.
I'm interested in his take on these actors, too!



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Lord Maegmoth
The Shire


Oct 22 2010, 2:48pm

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Positive News. [In reply to] Can't Post

Something positive to muse about, after all the utter negativity during the past few days.

Martin Freeman as BB was to be expected, so no surprises there as far as that casting choice would be concerned. Look forward to seeing how he shall tackle the role, in light of his rather intriguing depiction of Dr. Watson.

I find the casting of Richard Armitage as Thorin to be utterly inspiring. As many on these forums had postulated whenever his name was mentioned, I would have pencilled him in as Bard as far as a role in the Hobbit would be concerned, therefore this would be completely unexpected, but in a positive sense. As an actor, I regard him as extremely capable, and would very much be anticipating his depiction of the venerable Dwarf.

What, no Bill Bailey as Gloin? Oh well, perhaps he shall portray one of the trolls.

I would be familiar with Aidan Turner through Desperate Romantics, but little else; but based upon his portrayal of Rossetti, he appears to possess the necessary abilities in the acting department to assuage any dollop of scepticism I might have.

Never really heard of any of the other chaps, not even slightly familiar with them. Similar scenario to LOTR, really.

Kudos Sir PJ (and GDT).


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Oct 22 2010, 3:06pm

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Oct 22 2010, 3:10pm

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I think he works for the public school system here [In reply to] Can't Post

and all of Minnesota's teachers have the last few days of this week off for a professional conference.

Since the kids are out of school, lots of families take a long weekend and travel. Public school employees do the same. Apparently this is a larger travel day for Minnesota than Thanksgiving and Christmas.

My guess is, this is what KS has done.


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Zherkezhi
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Oct 22 2010, 3:13pm

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Inofficial movie poster [In reply to] Can't Post

Hello everyone,
just wanted to share with you my personal take on a movie poster for "The Hobbit". It is still early WIP, so don't get that excited!

http://zherkezhi.deviantart.com/art/The-Hobbit-WIP-183521738

I wondered how Armitage could possibly look like as Thorin. Now I get an idea of it.. ;)

Best wishes,
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Oden
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Oct 22 2010, 3:42pm

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I was not expecting to see such young, thin faces.

I do hope they can pull it off. However, I will keep an open mind...


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Oct 22 2010, 3:45pm

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No American actors? [In reply to] Can't Post

While I think that Tolkien's work is very British and I would not be happy with an American filming location or an all-American cast & crew, I think one of two Americans amongst the cast wouldn't do too much harm. Remember Viggo? That worked out pretty well.

I want Ron Perlman for Beorn. He's an unusual choice (the sort of actor that pops into your mind for the role immediately is more like Brian Blessed), but I think he would also be a great fit and give a very memorable performance.


Oden
Rivendell


Oct 22 2010, 3:48pm

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The lucky number [In reply to] Can't Post

One of the main reasons that Bilbo became part of the company of dwarves because he was the 14th member.

Bilbo can't become the lucky number if there are fewer than 13 dwarves.


Owain
Tol Eressea


Oct 22 2010, 3:56pm

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R4W13Y
Bree

Oct 22 2010, 4:00pm

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Incredibly exciting news!!! [In reply to] Can't Post

I nearly screamed when I read the announcements last night!

Martin Freeman as Bilbo is an absolute dream come trueSlylike many of you here, he was the first one that popped into my head when The Hobbit was announced!! I love that he was the favorite amongst us fans and here he is as Bilbo finally! I am so happy!

As for Armitage..

I know he was a perfect choice for Bard. But think about it this way. Perhaps Peter listened to us and brought him in for Bard. Perhaps in his audition he blew Peter and co. away and they saw how amazing he would be for Thorin instead! I am very happy about this choice because I can just imagine what it means for Thorin! Yes, someone older might have been nice, but it's comforting to me to think of this scenario in which he was just too perfect for Thorin to be cast as anything else!!

The rest are amazing tooSmilelargely unknown to me, yet I love the looks and trust Peter's decisions! He hasn't been wrong for me before, and I am very hopeful that he won't this time with such an important and wonderful movie with a lot at stake!

Can't wait for more and more announcements, then pictures, then videos, then teasers, and trailers, and the movie!!Shocked


shadowdog
Rohan

Oct 22 2010, 4:00pm

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I was thinking the same [In reply to] Can't Post

I think Bill Nighy - I think Davy Jones and tenticles. Wink


Owain
Tol Eressea


Oct 22 2010, 4:07pm

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Still rooting for Tom Waits as one of the Dwarves... [In reply to] Can't Post



Here's a sample of the voice. He is a musician/actor for those who don't.

Just think he would inject a dry sense of humor and has a really unique voice.

http://www.youtube.com/...&feature=channel

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."

(This post was edited by Owain on Oct 22 2010, 4:08pm)


Elladan
Rivendell

Oct 22 2010, 4:24pm

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Why does everyone want [In reply to] Can't Post

"old" is it because of the beards? It just seems everyone wants short stocky 40-50 somethings, lets face it there are a finite number of actors who meet those criteria and they would then all look the same. I cant help thinking that the image of dwarf is so ingrained into our minds as short stocky and with a massive beard that we would end up with Bilbo and a small army of clones if we were to get what we expected.

Secondly the dwarves arent old, thier ages range from what I percieve as mid 20s (Kili and Fili) to late 50s (Dwalin) with most of the others some where in between. Also once behind a beard there wont be much left to show thier actual age.


Anduril1993
Rivendell


Oct 22 2010, 4:35pm

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MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM [In reply to] Can't Post

I hope this guy can pull it off!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
From the ashes a fire shal be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king.


CINE
Bree


Oct 22 2010, 4:49pm

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Prosthetics, appliances, costumes -- ACTING... [In reply to] Can't Post

...Can do wonders.

Brett Beatty (who was Rhys-Davies' Gimli scale-double) was quite young, and athletically built. When in costume -- thanks to all the craftspeople that helped shape his character's look -- he looked exactly like the big Gimli.

And, of course, the actor's performance can so change their look, to be shockingly incongruous with how they look in real-life. IMDb headshots are deceiving.


macfalk
Valinor


Oct 22 2010, 4:52pm

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Elladan
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Oct 22 2010, 5:00pm

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anyone else think [In reply to] Can't Post

Alan Rickman would make a good Smaug?


Zizix
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Oct 22 2010, 5:07pm

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Casting news! Yay! [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm very very happy with Martin Freeman as Bilbo. Don't know any of the others so I can't really say anything about them, but looking up Richard Armitage, casting him as Thorin seems like casting Stuart Townsend as Aragorn to me.
Meanwhile I'm still hoping Brian Blessed gets at least some role in the films.


LoremIpsum
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Oct 22 2010, 5:19pm

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So apparently I think dwarves are hot [In reply to] Can't Post

I saw some vids of Richard Armitage from Robin Hood and yes he is gonna be a perfect Thorin, PERFECT
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N.E. Brigand
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Oct 22 2010, 5:21pm

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You forgot a U. The title is Inglourious Basterds. Tarantino* chose to misspell both words.

*Speaking of spellings, a favorite remark on Pulp Fiction, from a review by John Simon, who didn't like it: "Tarantino" is an anagram for "tarnation".

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Oct 22 2010, 5:25pm

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Indeed. You suggested Freeman more than five years ago. [In reply to] Can't Post

I can't find the original post, but Scout was crediting you with the idea in June 2005.

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deej
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Oct 22 2010, 5:52pm

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Thanks to greendragon, I figured out there is an Aidan Turner and Aiden Turner are 2 different actors [In reply to] Can't Post

Aidan Turner of Being Human is playing Kili , and Aiden Turner (from 'All My Children' and 'Eastenders') looks to be the Elf King.

A bit confusing, no?Crazy


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Bound
Rohan


Oct 22 2010, 5:53pm

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For people who are worried... [In reply to] Can't Post

That the cast are too young or pretty (to be a Dwarf) - you gotta remember how much of thier faces are going to be covered in prostetics..

Also I think that the life span of a Dwalf is longer than a humans so we can't realy judge how young the actor is comparable to the character they are playing.. time will tell. Plus it's not like Jacksons perfect at casting *cough - stewart townsend- *cough...

Cool


SirDennisC
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Oct 22 2010, 5:55pm

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Tending to agree [In reply to] Can't Post

The praise for Fassbender around here is winning me over. When I think back over the few roles I've seen him in, he does have a sort of half-mad, confident underpinning that could really work for Bard. Plus as others rightly say, he's not too hard on the eyes either.

I officially abandon all other bids and give Fassbender my full support. There, now he's sure to get the part.Laugh


Owain
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Oct 22 2010, 5:57pm

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SirDennisC
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Oct 22 2010, 6:00pm

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Now there's some good timing for you. [In reply to] Can't Post

A bit relieved to hear that though... was a little worried by his sudden (and uncommon) silence. Thanks PL.


SirDennisC
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Oct 22 2010, 6:09pm

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Laugh
Sorry about that. Every so often around here, someone assigns the wrong gender to someone else. Usually it's girls being called guys though. Since I learned that women far outnumber men a TORn (TORn be a femine site don't cha know?) my default assumption is that I am speaking with women most times.

Right then, how bout those Knicks?


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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Oct 22 2010, 6:13pm

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A bit dissapointed... [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm thrilled to finally have some officially-cast actors, but I really wanted Brian Cox for Thorin...all well. Hopefully, he might still pop up somewhere.

As for the rest of the announced cast, none of the other Dwarves were going to be "name" actors, seeing as they exist more as a group than individuals and are fairly interchangeable. Also, with the exception of Elijah Wood, (who was a child actor in the 90's), and Liv Tyler, none of LotR's cast were "names", either; almost the entire cast were "unknown", or hard-working character actors who'd been around for years, but hadn't really gotten any exposure.

Just to speculate on the other names mentioned:

David Tennant: Thranduil, or Drogo? He does look a bit like Elijah...they both have pointy frying-pan faces with bulbous beaks and beady little eyes! Cool

Michael Fassbender: Bard the Bowman, or Beorn?

Jimmy Nesbit: Bard the Bowman, or Balin?

Saoirse Ronan: Primula Brandybuck? She has a Hobbity-lass quality about her.

Stephen Fry: Master of Laketown?

Also, seeing as I've read elsewhere that a LotR cast-member has been cast as Smaug, I wouldn't bet against John Rhys-Davies. I'd have loved Max von Sydow, however.

Samuel L. Jackson for Bilbo, Woody Allen for Thorin, Lewis Black for Bard and Gilbert Gottfried for Smaug!

MAKE IT HAPPEN, PETER!!!


macfalk
Valinor


Oct 22 2010, 6:24pm

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Really? That's interesting [In reply to] Can't Post

The insider on that site which has been right on everything so far said the same - "you've heard his name in LOTR, twice"


I said earlier that I think this is Alan Howard (voice of the Ring, heard twice in LOTR). And I still think so.



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CINE
Bree


Oct 22 2010, 6:38pm

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Alan Howard [In reply to] Can't Post

Where did you hear that? He'd be terrific to voice Smaug -- that man has an amazing voice! He played a huge part in making the Ring a living character with his Sauron black speech.


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Oct 22 2010, 6:43pm

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Some guy on Reddit, [In reply to] Can't Post

who made unsubstantiated claims that he was involved in the production, said that Smaug would be voiced by someone whose voice we had already heard twice in The Lord of the Rings. That narrows it down to John Rhys-Davies and Alan Howard, assuming this fellow is legitimate.

http://www.reddit.com/...rking_on_the_hobbit/


maut
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Oct 22 2010, 6:44pm

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Heard his name, not his voice.... [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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one Ring to find them,
one Ring to bring them all,
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Flagg
Tol Eressea


Oct 22 2010, 6:49pm

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Heard his voice, not his name... // [In reply to] Can't Post

Crazy


maut
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Oct 22 2010, 6:54pm

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I mean: [In reply to] Can't Post


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The insider on that site which has been right on everything so far said the same - "you've heard his name in LOTR, twice"


I said earlier that I think this is Alan Howard (voice of the Ring, heard twice in LOTR). And I still think so.

Shocked

One Ring to rule them all,
one Ring to find them,
one Ring to bring them all,
and in darkness bind them!
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ThunderDan
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Oct 22 2010, 6:56pm

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Dwarf ages [In reply to] Can't Post

Elladan, I'm not sure if you meant actual ages or their apparent ages - as in by comparison to a human of and their typical lifespan, but here are the dwarf ages that we know at the beginning of their quest:

Thorin: 195 years old
Balin 178 years old
Dwalin: 169 years old
Gloin: 158 years old
Fili: 82 years old
Kili 77 years old

Now Fili and Kili were the youngest by some 50 years, so everybody else had to be at least 132 years old. Gimli was 62 years old at the time and deemed too young to go along on the trip (though he wanted to). Now if you mean in comparison to a human life cycle then sure Fili and Kili would be sort of like a 20 something and the oldest dwarves would be like 50 something.

All that being said, I agree that the ample amount of costume and prosthesis they will be wearing will make them whatever age they need to be. I think as others have suggested younger actors are being chosen partly because lugging around all those heavy costumes and prosthesis - not to mention battling orcs and goblins in said arraignment can take its toll on the actor.


CINE
Bree


Oct 22 2010, 6:57pm

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Funny, I see the Smaug voice as the lynchpin of all the casting... [In reply to] Can't Post

All the casting choices are critically important, but for some reason I feel Smaug is the one they must get 100% dead-on right.


Ataahua
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Oct 22 2010, 7:14pm

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He's got the spirit for Bombur, hasn't he? [In reply to] Can't Post

Tangential fact: This ad just won a people's vote award for favourite TV ad of the year. (Otherwise I would never have recognised our new Bombur!)

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

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Estel78
Tol Eressea

Oct 22 2010, 7:17pm

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But PJ did cast older actors for some of the dwarves. [In reply to] Can't Post

Thorin is supposed to be one of the older (not necessarily the oldest) of the bunch, yet he cast someone who isn't even 40 yet while some of the other actors are around 50, maybe even over 50 (didn't check it out).

Like i said, make up can make you older but then there's also the voice. People sound different when they are older. Why going to the trouble of making one older instead of just casting an older person? Maybe Thorin in the movie will be younger than he was portrayed in the book?


In Reply To
I think as others have suggested younger actors are being chosen partly because lugging around all those heavy costumes and prosthesis - not to mention battling orcs and goblins in said arraignment can take its toll on the actor.



(This post was edited by Estel78 on Oct 22 2010, 7:18pm)


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Oct 22 2010, 7:23pm

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Also, at AICN Xoanon stated regarding Smaug: [In reply to] Can't Post

"Apparently someone familiar with the LOTR 'family' is doing that role..dunno who...I think they meant LOTR Movie 'family'"...

Samuel L. Jackson for Bilbo, Woody Allen for Thorin, Lewis Black for Bard and Gilbert Gottfried for Smaug!

MAKE IT HAPPEN, PETER!!!

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Flagg
Tol Eressea


Oct 22 2010, 7:23pm

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They may digitally alter his voice. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


macfalk
Valinor


Oct 22 2010, 7:25pm

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yes, it was a typo of me: [In reply to] Can't Post

Heard his voice twice. That's the correct statement, of course

And Flagg, I actually think the odds are that this guy is close to the production. He's been right on all accounts so far (PJ directing and when he was to be announced, 3D, Itaril (looks like it) and he seemed credible to me. Also Alan Howard is a great call for the voice of Smaug. Who did not think his voice for the ring was great?



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Estel78
Tol Eressea

Oct 22 2010, 7:38pm

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Again, why going to the trouble of aging a younger person to the point of making him unrecognisable? [In reply to] Can't Post

No disrespect to Richard Armitage but there are surely older actors around that could have done a similarly good job, if they were really going for a Gimli like appearance.


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Oct 22 2010, 7:43pm

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I think he's probably the real deal, [In reply to] Can't Post

but I'm not entirely convinced. Everyone knew that Jackson was probably directing, and (I'm not sure about this) didn't the 3D news get leaked before the guy on Reddit reported it? And didn't Bond-Of-Blood previously report on the elf-wench? The Reddit spy certainly sounds legitimate but it could also just be a person coming out with really specific and unfalsifiable pieces of information. For example, he said that Peter took issue with an aspect of Guillermo's Lake Town design and planned to change it. This makes him sound like he's intimately familiar with the production, but he could easily be making it up. And we might not find out for another two or three years. And I'm not sure what the situation is on inside information, but aren't actors and technicians and so on meant to agree not to share this sort of information? And aren't there repercussions if they do?

I'm not certain. But if Alan Howard gets announced as the voice of Smaug (or any other specific piece of information this guy gave us that we hadn't heard rumoured previously gets confirmed), then I'll be convinced.


macfalk
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Oct 22 2010, 7:50pm

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ThunderDan
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Oct 22 2010, 7:50pm

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He isn't "that young" :) [In reply to] Can't Post

To be fair 39 isn't that young. I have no idea how good of an actor he is or how he will fill the role (but his iMdb photo shows a lot of intensity) - but if you check out some clips floating around of him he does have a pretty deep voice. Remember too that of all the dwarves Thorin will probably be involved in the most battle scenes which require a person in great shape. Some of the older actors cast as dwarves may not be as active (in terms of movement, fighting, etc) in the movie.

I really do trust Peter Jackson when it comes to casting - the LOTR rings were cast so perfectly IMO. And he isn't afraid to make a change if it comes to it - like replacing the actor playing Aragorn with Viggo because he was too young (after filming had already started). So if when the performance starts it really became an issue I know Peter would find a way to make it right.


Peredhil lover
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Oct 22 2010, 7:52pm

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You're welcome! [In reply to] Can't Post

Glad I accidentally remembered that post and could help.
(Though I'd like to know why my brain is able to memorise such irrelevant details, but keeps forgetting much more important stuff Wink)

Anyway, Kangi will not be happy to miss all that.



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Oct 22 2010, 7:52pm

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I don't know but [In reply to] Can't Post

they did it to Mr. Rhys-Davies and I would be with you (probably) in saying he didn't need all that stuff on his face either.

Maybe they want younger guys who can move a bit faster underneath all that stuff - I would say that's a valid concern. *shrugs*

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Oct 22 2010, 7:54pm

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And so it begins [In reply to] Can't Post

After a long time without much to talk about-open the flood gates! WOOHOOO!!!


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Oct 22 2010, 7:59pm

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Oct 22 2010, 8:26pm

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Exactly how I felt! [In reply to] Can't Post

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Kimi
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Oct 22 2010, 8:32pm

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Oh, thanks for that! [In reply to] Can't Post

I was sure it was at least four years, but not sure just how long.


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DrDeath153
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Oct 22 2010, 9:13pm

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Rumours, not announcement [In reply to] Can't Post

Can we stop talking about this bout of rumours as if they're official? While i have a niggling fear that this article may be true, i seriously doubt it, declaring information that is just completely out of left-field and also thus far completely unsupported by anything we have heard so far.

For a start this is a mere article from a single site- it is not a press release or even properly an interview (the quotes erroneously attributed to Peter Jackson are not necessarily real- any hack looking to make a big story could make those up). Certainly i would expect at least the announcement of the now inevitable Martin Freeman in the title role to get something a bit more ceremonious than a dodgy 'confirmation' on a site most people haven't heard of until today (lets face it, it's no Empire magazine). I actually deplore Xoanan for attributing such weight to something so unlikely when theonering.net usually has very good sources providing fair warning of imminent announcements. Perhaps he is merely trying to stir the quagmire of The Hobbit's development in the absence of any real news.

Also on the matter of press releases- we still haven't heard for certain, beyond any doubt, that the crucial members of the returning cast are now fully signed up. I would imagine that Ian McKellen, Andy Serkis and Hugo Weaving at least have been patiently waiting for their newly updated contracts to sign, and it is those that i imagine will be the first formally announced.

In regard to these rumours, well frankly i just don't buy it. While there is an argument that being dwarves you can cast younger actors and swamp them with prosthetics so you never know the difference, and yes, younger people would find the fight scenes easier, I don't think either the casting directors or studio would take the risk of going all daring with their casting choices when the established formula and fan expectations are based on actors of stocky physique and 50+. When it worked so well with John Rhys Davies, why change?

Another interesting snippet concerns the Hobbit's former director, who in an interview with the Times in England a couple of weeks ago claimed he had had his eye on Ian McShane who 'would make the most perfect dwarf', plainly Guillermo was not predicting a wild new direction for the dwarves (though as with all the best casting choices, he sidestepped the obvious candidates).

While it's almost probable that not all the big 'dwarf names' like Brian Cox, Brian Blessed, Brendan Gleeson, James Cosmo and the like will be in this one film, I would be genuinely suprised if the dwarves weren't cast from people of that ilk and generation. Type-casting has such a horrible stigma, and perhaps in an alternative production Richard Armitage and those rumoured could try playing 20 years over their age, but it just doesn't ring true to me for The Hobbit- there's too much at stake to risk messing with the formula.

I apologise that this post sounds so angry and arrogant, but i just want to stop the rot. Perhaps these actors were considered for The Hobbit but i certainly doubt in the roles they are listed here- i take the view that until an official announcement is made this particular rumour should be treated with the utmost suspicion.

....Besides, i wanted Colin Firth for Bilbo anywayWink

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Captain Salt
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Oct 22 2010, 9:24pm

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^^ Um...this IS official... [In reply to] Can't Post

Hence PJ's remarks about casting Freeman, Armitage and the others...Shocked

Samuel L. Jackson for Bilbo, Woody Allen for Thorin, Lewis Black for Bard and Gilbert Gottfried for Smaug!

MAKE IT HAPPEN, PETER!!!


DrDeath153
Lorien

Oct 22 2010, 9:27pm

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. [In reply to] Can't Post

And hence my remarks about how it could just be made up- i mean come on, do you believe everything you read in the papers?

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Theodred
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Oct 22 2010, 9:28pm

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What about: [In reply to] Can't Post

Craig Parker? He could again play Haldir. Because he's an elf, it would be possible to see him also in TH
Orlando Bloom? As Legolas, he's ofcourse also an elf, so it's possible to see him in TH
Doug Jones? When Guillermo was the director, he seemed sure to get a part in TH. Will PJ keep that promise in mind and give him a role?
Ron Perlman? The same for him. Is he still granted a role in TH?
Bill Bailey? He has auditioned and seems very eager to play a part in TH, but will he get one?
Billy Boyd/Elijah Wood/Dominic Monaghan? They all seems eager to return as the fathers of the characters they played in LOtR
Guillermo del Toro himself? Althought he's not involved in TH anymore as he withdrawed, is he still willing to play a part in TH when they would ask him as some kind of tribute for all the work he has done? He has said earlier this year he would play a part in TH, have a line or two and then die quickly, if I recall it correctly.
Liv Tyler? She could be around when we see Hugo Weaving as Elrond in TH

Besides that, imo Brad Garrett would be perfect as the voice of Smaug, as I've already said earlier in a previous post, because of his deep, low voice and his experience in voice acting.

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Captain Salt
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Oct 22 2010, 9:45pm

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DrDeath, yes, they fabricated a false announcement and several paragraphs of quotes from Peter... [In reply to] Can't Post

Get ready to see these guys on the big screen come December 2012.

Samuel L. Jackson for Bilbo, Woody Allen for Thorin, Lewis Black for Bard and Gilbert Gottfried for Smaug!

MAKE IT HAPPEN, PETER!!!


Huan71
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Oct 22 2010, 11:25pm

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thats fair enough. [In reply to] Can't Post

..i'm ok with us disagreeing on what is a good or bad acting performance if you are!Tongue

BTW...what are some of your fave performances ever?


CINE
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Oct 23 2010, 12:27am

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DrDeath:

Check out this article. The casting announcements were made by New Line president Toby Emmerich, et al. Reporter Mike Fleming of Deadline is a highly credible source.

http://www.deadline.com/...ames-for-the-hobbit/

Still, we've been continually burned by false Hobbit leads over the last six months, so I can certainly understand your skepticism, but this one looks entirely genuine. Wink


Snaga
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Oct 23 2010, 12:53am

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I totally agree [In reply to] Can't Post

Try to reserve judgement until you seem them in costume and prosthetics. By now WETA has perfected their art and can probably make a willow wand look like a dwarf.

I'm so thrilled to see they cast this one the same as last time. Lots of relative unknowns in there. I can't wait to see the performances PJ squeezes out of them. Smile

And before you give up on Armitage as Thorin try giving his bio a look see and get to know him a bit. Remember Thorin was an older dwarf but hale, no dottering old guy that could hardly move. That's why it's called acting.


Snaga
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Oct 23 2010, 1:06am

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You are quite right [In reply to] Can't Post

I came late to this thread so it seems all I get to do is skim through and agree with people.

There just has to be thirteen dwarves. Bilbo was chosen because he was the lucky number, and I have to say that while reading this book in my youth I found the image of thirteen pointy dwarf hoods bobbing along the trail with a big statuesque Gandalf in train to be incredibly charming. Even if there aren't lines for half of them they can carry their loads as characters with looks of fear, amusement and concern (to name a few) at the appropriate times while one of the major characters engages in dialogue.

I mean, think of them trying to pull of the scene with the introductions to Beorn with only 7 dwarfs. Pshaw! Wink


macfalk
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Oct 23 2010, 7:30am

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Not sure what you're implying [In reply to] Can't Post

This is an official statement by the CEO of New Line and others. Got some conspiracy theory?



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DrDeath153
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Oct 23 2010, 10:07am

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No conspiracy theory, just skepticism [In reply to] Can't Post

It's not a conspiracy theory- i'm just exercising some healthy skepticism when faced with nothing more than a single site jumping on the desperate desire for Hobbit casting news. I don't mean to sound sanctimonious, and i accept that i may have to eat humble pie, but again- why no 'formal' announcement- why just this one site with no real reputation? I mean if it had come from theonering.net itself it would have had more creedance, this being a practically official affiliate of the LotR films, but this isn't the kind of news that just 'slips out' in an interview, and just because it claim's to quote Peter Jackson and all these executives- it even says there was an announcement- where though? Have our spies been completely blind to such a critical development that they were taken unawares by some other site?

I mean i know some news is better than no news, but i just think this is a media invention and until i hear with all the pomp and ceremony that came with the greenlight that these people are involved in the roles they are attributed to then i'm not really going to buy it.

I would also appreciate if people would give legitimate counter arguments to my own rather than just ignoring them out of blind enthusiasm

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Flagg
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Oct 23 2010, 1:41pm

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that Jackson or Warners would have come out with an official statement by now explaining that the press release was fake if that was the case.


Tim
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Oct 23 2010, 2:52pm

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This site [In reply to] Can't Post

doesn't put news like that on its front page without confirming through its own sources. The press release is legitimate.

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Oct 23 2010, 2:55pm

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He'd be absolutely fantastic... [In reply to] Can't Post

as would Jeremy Irons.

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Oct 23 2010, 2:58pm

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but I seem to recall reading that there were other issues with Stuart Townsend than his age. I'm thinking he wasn't coming across as the "team player" that is so desperately needed on a long shot like LotR. Ah, but I may be wrong. When you've been on the boards as long as I have, it begins to be hard to remember what was fact and what was rumor, if you even knew for sure at the time.

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DrDeath153
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Oct 23 2010, 3:47pm

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I remain skeptical [In reply to] Can't Post

Likewise wouldn't they have come out with something truly official?

Equally so have Ian McKellen, Andy Serkis and Hugo Weaving but time and time again they've had to say that the contract still hasn't been signed. I mean we even had it from Guillermo that Hugo Weaving was on board and yet he denied it. If you can't trust the (then) director's own word, who can you trust? There's been no word from the actors themselves confirming their involvement or even that they'd been approached- there was more in the way of evidence for that other Robin Hood guy (the one who played Archer) than for Richard Armitage. But other than some alleged 'quotes' (which i for one am highly suspicious of the validity of) from this single article (which has been repeated ad-infinitum across the net granted), we have nothing. I don't know, maybe i'm in denial, but between the choices, the source and the context, something is not adding up- do you really think that Peter Jackson would be making a casting announcement the morning that he's at his wit's end with union action and having to fight studio and politics alike to secure New Zealand as the base? Not only that but that this announcement would not be made even on New Zealand national television (with perhaps the purpose of calming the situation there and reassuring the investors in the industry) but to a half-baked hollywood rumour site in the deepest reaches of the internet?

I want casting news as much as the next person (though granted i don't want the 'news' we've supposedly got Tongue) but it strikes me as just..... unlikely that this is it. Time will tell i suppose but does no-one out there see my point?

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Flagg
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Oct 23 2010, 6:20pm

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And Serkis! [In reply to] Can't Post

...I forgot that Andy Serkis did the voice for the Witch-king in addition to Gollum. That makes him, Alan Howard and John Rhys-Davies the three possibilites for Smaug, according to Mr Reddit.


CINE
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Oct 23 2010, 6:25pm

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Stopgap PR Press Release [In reply to] Can't Post

As someone else mentioned in another thread, this looks like it was a hastily thrown together end of the week press release by Warner (to help stave off some of the bad vibe from the New Zealand situation). Something to give the fans (and investors) confidence.

The fact that all the studio head names, and Peter Jackson, are attached to this announcement -- plus the fact it was released to all the major Hollywood trade mags (Variety, Hollywood Reporter, Deadline) really lends this a lot of credence.

And, of course, there are a lot more major parts to be cast, so this first announcement is only a teaser of sorts.


DrDeath153
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Oct 23 2010, 7:43pm

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That would make more sense [In reply to] Can't Post

As a stop-gap press release i would think this would make more sense. Personally i don't doubt that Richard Armitage, Rob Kazinsky and Aiden Turner auditioned, and received callbacks but for the parts listed- nah, it just doesn't seem plausible. The latest news on this site seems to support my assertation- the now pretty much confirmed Sylvester McCoy hasn't signed his contract, and Mark Hadlow does not confirm in the quotes given that he has been cast in any specific part, though he has had callbacks for four different parts (my guesses are one of them isn't Bard). I would suspect that parts assigned to the younger three are merely 'placeholders' for the benefit of studios and worried investors (who in all probably have no idea who the characters are) and that come the time for the proper 'reveal' we'll be looking at a wholly different Thorin Fili and Kili.

I can hope i suppose.

Dr Death


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Oct 24 2010, 1:16am

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I think you're right, Patty [In reply to] Can't Post

although the "official" reason was Townsend was too young, there were a few off-the-record comments made that he would not practice with the sword-master and was not a good team player.

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Bestica
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Oct 24 2010, 3:46am

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Mmmm- I don't care, as long as he's in it! This takes me back... [In reply to] Can't Post

to circa 2004 when I was first introduced to the wonderful smolder of Mr. Armitage via North and South which I discovered thanks to all you wonderful people here at TORn! I have to say, I am eternally grateful for that.

It IS surprising that they cast him as any of the dwarves, but I'm sure he'll do a wonderful job. I have complete and utter trust and only optimism for all of the other casting.

SO PUMPED!!!!!!




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But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep"

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Amigo
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Nov 2 2010, 7:40pm

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I found another pic of John Callen...



 
 

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