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NZ March Reports - Hobbit already moving??

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spymaster@theonering.net

Oct 20 2010, 7:07am

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NZ March Reports - Hobbit already moving?? Can't Post

With the news that the NZ Equity Meeting was canceled last night, we are now getting some reports from the ground. Below you will find two reports: One from a witness to the resulting technician march (with pictures!);  Another from a technician marching with some exclusive information. As a quick summary, the general consensus is that the meeting was canceled last night when it was realized the protest group greatly outnumbered those in the actor's equity. However, the worst news comes from Jabes report:

We received news tonight that the Hobbit is essentially lost to NZ, but maybe some drastic act would help brew enough support to present a solid case to Warner/MGM

Thanks to Ringer Caras Galadhon and Ringer Jabes for sharing their reports! Click 'continue' to read them in their entirety.

NZ Technican Jabes:

I work for Weta Digi and was just at the technicians meeting, and subsequent march afterwards. Around 1200 technicians, filmmakers, actors and artists were on the streets of downtown wellington in opposition to the Actor's Equity/MEAA boycott of the Hobbit in New Zealand. Many people, including Richard Taylor, Gino Acivedo, Jaime Beswarick, Allen Lee, John Howe, Phillipa Boyens, multiple New Zealand directors, and many others gave riveting speeches confirming that the NZ government is behind Peter Jackson and the rest of the NZ industry not represented by Actor's Equity; ie, everyone sans 150 or so actors IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY. A meeting was meant to take place in Wellington tonight with Simon Whipp of MEAA in attendance. The meeting was canceled however, when it was discovered that more than 5 times the number of their entire NZ clientel were outside the door in opposition after only a 3 hour notice. We received news tonight that the Hobbit is essentially lost to NZ, but maybe some drastic act would help brew enough support to present a solid case to Warner/MGM. We'll see in the next few days if our demonstration had any impact. Below is a link to an article about the event. I'm sure more will be coming soon. [Article]

Ringer Caras Galadhon:
It looks like the NZ film technician meeting TORn reported on moved into a (peaceful) public protest in the evening.


I'm currently in Wellington to do my PhD, and just before 7pm local time I started hearing shouting, chanting, cheering and honking outside my window. Not having been here for long, I assumed it was my first brush with rugby fans, but not long after I started to make out the words being chanted: "Down with unions!", "Save our industry!" and "We want The Hobbit!"


A quick glance outside confirmed what I already suspected, so I grabbed my camera, ran down to the street, and started snapping photos.

It was a reasonably-sized crowd for a short-notice protest, and everyone seemed to be in excellent spirits. As far as I could tell, the spectators -- drivers and pedestrians alike -- were all for supporting the protesters. There were some great signs, including "Don't Hobble The Hobbit," "We Support PJ," "Keep Hobbit in Hobbiton! (NZ)", and "Ireland is Not Middle-Earth."


The protesters themselves remained at the intersection for a good five or ten minutes after I got there, and I'm sure I'd been hearing them on and off through my window for about ten minutes previously. Eventually, they moved off, and it looked like they were headed in the direction of the Beehive and the rest of the Parliament buildings.

Photos from the march are located here


macfalk
Valinor


Oct 20 2010, 12:31pm

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Things are now in motion...... / [In reply to] Can't Post

 



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


ranger123
Rivendell


Oct 20 2010, 12:40pm

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I feared this when The Hobbit got greenlit [In reply to] Can't Post

The budget would have to be approved before the greenlight was given but the budget would need to be based on where The Hobbit would be made.

This is terrible news for NZ if it is true and its looking increasingly likely that it is true.

But at least The Hobbit will be made and at the end of the day at least we will get to see PJ's The Hobbit instead of just another 7 years of waiting and disappointment which isnt good for anybody, anywhere.


Radagast_the_Brown
Rivendell


Oct 20 2010, 12:44pm

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I refuse to believe it. [In reply to] Can't Post

Despite all the strife never yet have I seriously expected the project to happen anywhere but NZ, and even now, it just doesn't make any sense... Move the project away from the country which gathered world renown due to LOTR, where the director lives, where WETA studios are, where all the environments of ME are, in the four months before shooting is to start? Just ridiculous, and the fallout would be huge. Among fans, the media, the filmmaking team...I seriously expect a whole lot of the talent from LOTR to just walk if this doesn't happen in NZ and I would half expect PJ too aswell after the strict conditions he supposedly set down for his directing the films after all.

All you have to decide, is what to do with the time that is given to you...


macfalk
Valinor


Oct 20 2010, 12:50pm

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I agree, but [In reply to] Can't Post

As long as this boycott is active they just can't do it in NZ. So WB has to look elsewhere. But I hope with all my heart that they will have a little more patience and let the problem settle there first.



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


Melilot
The Shire

Oct 20 2010, 1:08pm

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Anything we can do? [In reply to] Can't Post

Another online petition, anywhere? Probably wouldn't make any difference whatsoever, but...


dormouse
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Oct 20 2010, 1:11pm

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Exactly what I was thinking.... [In reply to] Can't Post

I know it's unlikely to make any difference but it's how you feel, watching the sheer frustration build up in New Zealand. So many people stand to lose out over this - you just wish you could do something rather than sit back and watch it happen.


macfalk
Valinor


Oct 20 2010, 1:13pm

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I agree. Unfortunately I am 26 hours away with flight // [In reply to] Can't Post

 



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Nesse
Lorien

Oct 20 2010, 1:14pm

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just a thought but... [In reply to] Can't Post

didnt I read somewhere that James Nisbett was moving his family to NZ why would he do that if they werent making it there.


ranger123
Rivendell


Oct 20 2010, 1:21pm

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Thats true [In reply to] Can't Post

But that report was printed about 3 weeks ago I think, so it would have been before Warners decided to move production elsewhere (if that is what has happened).

I'm still hoping we will see good news about The Hobbit going ahead in NZ but I fear it is too late...


Nesse
Lorien

Oct 20 2010, 1:34pm

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' A Fools Hope' [In reply to] Can't Post

but If I had to wager on it I would put my money on TH staying in NZ.


dormouse
Half-elven

Oct 20 2010, 1:34pm

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So am I... [In reply to] Can't Post

... well, I don't know about 26 hours, but on the other side of the world at any rate. Hence the feeling of helplessness.

I know it's daft, after all, I'm not a technician or a film-maker of any kind, not an actor, and if they film in New Zealand, Katmandu or the north wall of the Eiger it won't affect my livelihood. But I feel I've gained so much from the previous films in terms of sheer enjoyment and have so much respect for the people who made them - it seems such a poor reward for all their efforts if a few people can wreck everything and a really sour ending (and beginning) for something so many people have anticipated for so long. I just wish I could help them - and yes, I realise how unrealistic this is but it doesn't stop you thinking it! Wink


Maggot_farms
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Oct 20 2010, 1:35pm

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Sometimes change is good? [In reply to] Can't Post

I wonder if they might split the shoot up. PJ could film the location essentials (Hobbition and the Shire) in New Zealand, to keep the continuity. Then move abroad for the rest. I would love to see them film in the Carpathian Mountains . They have always reminded me of the Misty Mountains.


Crunchable Birdses
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Oct 20 2010, 1:42pm

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I can't see how this can be good. [In reply to] Can't Post

The sheer logistics of moving the bulk of the production abroad at this late stage will negatively impact the quality of the production. They are not getting any more time to make the films (the release dates are locked) - and a massive amount of new work will have to be done because of the move, compressing the production schedule even further.

* crunch *


Melilot
The Shire

Oct 20 2010, 1:45pm

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Same here... [In reply to] Can't Post

... and it's the sheer pointless destructiveness of the whole thing that gets me, although I do realize that union activists may see it in a different light.

And thinking of those Hobbit holes and gardens they've been restoring for months now - I could just weep.


ranger123
Rivendell


Oct 20 2010, 1:51pm

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I think Hobbiton would still be filmed in NZ regardless of what happens [In reply to] Can't Post

During the radio interview with Philippa Boyens she made a comment about Hobbiton only being amount a week's work of filming and wouldn't complicate a decision to move the production offshore. (Or something like that?) From the way she said that I assumed she meant they would still shoot in Hobbiton regardless of what happens.


elevendayempire
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Oct 20 2010, 1:52pm

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If they have to move the production... [In reply to] Can't Post

Iceland would be a good location; pretty similar geologically to New Zealand, that LazyTown show has left the place kitted out with an HD studio and plenty of trained crew (Tarantino even went out there to give it the once-over) and the country's current economic predicament means (I'd imagine) that crew hire and production costs like accommodation should be pretty low.


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Oct 20 2010, 1:54pm

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As has been said many times already... [In reply to] Can't Post

...the Mata Mata Hobbiton sets WILL be used, no matter where the bulk of the film is shot, so you can dry your tears. Smile


The Party Tree
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Oct 20 2010, 1:54pm

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This is all so absurd [In reply to] Can't Post

I can't believe it. It's such a lose-lose situation. :/

*sound of heart breaking*



Radagast_the_Brown
Rivendell


Oct 20 2010, 1:55pm

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Hasn't it been confirmed [In reply to] Can't Post

that Hobbiton will still be filmed in Matamata? There's still everything else along the East-West road however (I was hoping for a glimpse of Weathertop and the same Trollshaw forest) as well as the lovely exterior work done in Kaitoke Park for Rivendell and the use of the Remarkables as the Misty Mountains. And the rest of the new locations just won't have the same NZ feel we've come to know and love as Middle-Earth. I'm sure Ireland is a beautiful country, but does it really have the full range of environments required for this?

All you have to decide, is what to do with the time that is given to you...


CuChulainn
The Shire

Oct 20 2010, 1:56pm

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Pah! Ireland not Middle Earth?!? [In reply to] Can't Post

Interesting.
Ireland as Middle Earth: My older post bears more relevance now than ever. Worth checking out, I updated it too: http://newboards.theonering.net/...ng=locations;#201124


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Oct 20 2010, 2:02pm

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The real Middle-earth is Europe [In reply to] Can't Post

Ireland is much closer than New Zealand to the quasi-medieval Europe of legend envisaged by Tolkien (and Scotland would be even closer), but I can't deny that New Zealand was an excellent stand-in.

'Ireland is not Middle-earth' is quite an inappropriate sign for the protesters to be waving.


ranger123
Rivendell


Oct 20 2010, 2:04pm

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Ireland does not have the same range of locations as NZ, but... [In reply to] Can't Post

Some regions are very similar to NZ geologically.

And there are some stunning vistas...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_other_shots/4604970274/


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 20 2010, 2:04pm

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May I REMIND you that THE Fat Lady is in the Wings. [In reply to] Can't Post

and it ain't over till the Fat Lady...

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster

The Hobbit is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

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Melilot
The Shire

Oct 20 2010, 2:07pm

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Well, if so... [In reply to] Can't Post

... then they would probably find other NZ locations they could use even if the bulk of filming went elsewhere.

Re. Ireland: No it doesn't. Some, yes. But the Misty Mountains? Lonely Mountain? No. And I agree about the "feel" too.


Crunchable Birdses
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Oct 20 2010, 2:10pm

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The problem is [In reply to] Can't Post

I agree that Ireland would be a stunning location to shoot the films in, but my worry is that the entire production will suffer because of all the logistical fallout of relocating such a massive project at such a late stage.

If two years ago, or even one year ago, they had decided to go with Scotland, or Ireland - I would have been celebrating. To make the decision now? It's madness Crazy

* crunch *


Elven
Valinor


Oct 20 2010, 2:10pm

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Thanks for the reports... was The Hobbit lost 2 days ago? [In reply to] Can't Post

Its so good to see some on the ground reporting and pics from people that care that the Hobbit stays in NZ and that the film industry there can remain prosperous and stable, keeping people in jobs and keeping NZs world class Movie Industry facilities alive and flourishing into the future.

There is also extended footage here of the protest which see's one person at the Protest say that NZ lost the Hobbit 2 days ago - shouts of "stop the Boycott" and an interview with Richard Taylor. Gino Acevedo is also there leading a chant quite passionately.- and a rousing 'thank-you PJ' from the crowd near the end.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/...rtainment/42465.html


Radagast_the_Brown
Rivendell


Oct 20 2010, 2:11pm

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Some of the locations are good [In reply to] Can't Post

but Ireland doesn't have quite the soaring snow capped peaks I envisage for the Misty Mountains, and I don't envisage Lake Town as a small tarn like lake either. There is also the issue as filmmakers said of New Zealand being so untouched that you can film in many places and see very few signs of past human interference, which makes it seem more like a land that has stepped out of a historical fantasy. I think you could get away with it in a number of other countries (Chile is actually the one I feel is closest in varied geography to New Zealand) but there will be a different feel to it for sure.

All you have to decide, is what to do with the time that is given to you...


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Oct 20 2010, 2:26pm

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We have some decent lakes [In reply to] Can't Post

The largest is 151 square miles. I think that's large enough for Laketown.

You have a point about the mountains though. Ours tend to be wide and sloped, more like colossal hills than proper 'pointy' mountains. Perhaps they could digitally enhance them or shoot establishing shots of the Misty Mountains in some other country. Or even put some unused LotR mountain footage to use for establishing shots.


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 20 2010, 2:29pm

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How about filming the Hobbit(s the US State of North Dakota? [In reply to] Can't Post

It is flat as a board in its center. They could green screen the whole state at Canadian border and build and digitally construcr anything they need,EvilEvilEvilEvil

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster

The Hobbit is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

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Tim
Tol Eressea


Oct 20 2010, 2:42pm

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Oh my if it wasn't so sad it would be funny [In reply to] Can't Post

"You're so whipped it's unbelievable!" is what they shouted.

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Tim: There are some who call me... Tim?


CuChulainn
The Shire

Oct 20 2010, 2:42pm

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Irish 'Misty Mountains' [In reply to] Can't Post

I always envisaged the portion of the Misty Mountains that Bilbo's party trekked on to be like those here http://newboards.theonering.net/...ng=locations;#201124 that I had posted pics of. i.e 'trekable' mountains. Not the snow capped Methedras/southern Misty Mountain Moria variety, where The Hobbit doesn't go anyway.


Salmar
Bree


Oct 20 2010, 2:44pm

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March Videos [In reply to] Can't Post

Several Here:-

http://www.youtube.com/results?uploaded=d&search_query=March+over+The+Hobbit&search_type=videos&suggested_categories=24%2C1%2C10%2C25&uni=3

"...In the deep places he gives thought to music great and terrible; and the echo of that music runs through all the veins of the world in sorrow and in joy; for if joyful is the fountain that rises in the sun, its springs are in the wells of sorrow unfathomed at the foundations of the Earth. The Teleri learned much of Ulmo, and for this reason their music has both sadness and enchantment. Salmar came with him to Arda, he who made the horns of Ulmo that none may ever forget who once has heard them..."

"Of the beginning of days", The Silmarillion.


Bound
Rohan


Oct 20 2010, 2:52pm

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Ireland .. scothland and Wales [In reply to] Can't Post

Between these 3 close countries could you cover what would be needed. In fact I remember in the irish press around the time that the fellowship came out - Peter was quoted as saying that Ireland would have worked as middle earth - but hey wanted to work in NZ..

It's a sad day for NZ if it doesn't get shot there though.

Also - hardly fair to make banners about a country that isn't offically attached to the movie either...


macfalk
Valinor


Oct 20 2010, 2:53pm

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I have never, ever in my life [In reply to] Can't Post

punched or attacked someone in real life. Never. I am a very friendly person who hates all sorts of violence. But this person (assuming it's Lealand-Ward or some spokesperson in the vid) who says TH is only moving because Warners are making more money elsewhere... If I were there, I don't know if I would be able to control my rage towards her.



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


maut
Rivendell


Oct 20 2010, 3:05pm

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I'm not concerned at all [In reply to] Can't Post

I just want to believe that PJ and his team will do their best to make a true Middle- Earth, The questiopn where it is situated is of no importance for me, though NZ sets were great in LOTR. If not NZ I'd prefer some UK places, may be in Wales or Scotland.
Or, damn it, why not Russia?! Laugh(oh, oh, this is nothing else but joke)
I just trust PJ. He'll do everything right, I bet.

One Ring to rule them all,
one Ring to find them,
one Ring to bring them all,
and in darkness bind them!
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Naur ann adriat ammin!
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Earl
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Oct 20 2010, 3:11pm

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I know what you mean... [In reply to] Can't Post

... I very rarely get angry or let my anger come to the surface. But sometimes when I'm pushed over the edge, I give it my all.

I remember back when I was in school, I used to go to my brother's class (he's 2 years elder to me) to see him, and some of his classmates used to rag and bully me. I was quite short then, and even sitting those guys used to be the same height as me standing. One day while walking out of my brother's class this group of guys said something that really hurt me (it wasn't the first time they'd said something like that!), and I turned around and socked the guy sitting on the first bench in his face. I think it took everyone by surprise. And I was totally proud of myself, until he got over it and came and hammered the crap outta me... he and his friends.

Well, that was the only time I ever physically fought with someone in school. But it was SO worth it Cool Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do... even if the result ain't so pleasant.

I'm not saying someone should punch whoever's behind this mess in the face... but the people affected should STAND UP for their rights and not let themselves be bullied and pushed around.

It's what PJ said about Word War II being a war worth fighting... it was worth it because someone's freedom was at stake! Smile



Eruonen
Valinor


Oct 20 2010, 3:27pm

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Early shooting would have to be in NZ or some other Southern Hemisphere [In reply to] Can't Post

location as the seasons allow. Anything in the northern hemisphere would have to be shot probably in May through the summer and next fall.

I am sure the existing Hobbiton will be used...but other locations outside of NZ? Australia? Argentina? Chile?

NZ better quickly pass a big tax incentive to keep it.


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maut
Rivendell


Oct 20 2010, 3:39pm

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well they can start shooting [In reply to] Can't Post

 in a studio instead of landscape shootings

One Ring to rule them all,
one Ring to find them,
one Ring to bring them all,
and in darkness bind them!
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Naur ann adriat ammin!
I have written Gandalf is here in signs that all can read from Rivendell to the mouths of Anduin.


Tim
Tol Eressea


Oct 20 2010, 3:40pm

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Exactly... [In reply to] Can't Post

... if push really came to shove they can shoot the entire movie inside a studio.

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Peredhil lover
Valinor


Oct 20 2010, 3:41pm

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Well said [In reply to] Can't Post

The longer I think about it, the more I feel it unfair to the people in NZ to move the filming away. They have waited for so long while all the other problems were solved, the MGM mess and everything. To take the filming away now, with the greenlight given and the filming within reach, seems so unfair to them and the ones who made it possible to film the Hobbit in the first place.



I do not suffer from LotR obsession - I enjoy every minute of it.

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RobNZ
Bree


Oct 20 2010, 3:41pm

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even better [In reply to] Can't Post

save space and film in a portaloo i say! Tongue


maut
Rivendell


Oct 20 2010, 3:42pm

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At least [In reply to] Can't Post

they could easily do that during winter periodWink

One Ring to rule them all,
one Ring to find them,
one Ring to bring them all,
and in darkness bind them!
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Naur ann adriat ammin!
I have written Gandalf is here in signs that all can read from Rivendell to the mouths of Anduin.


ranger123
Rivendell


Oct 20 2010, 3:52pm

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Changing location = another delay [In reply to] Can't Post

I can't remember which article, might have been NY Times, but when the news started to break about the greenlight, one article quoted a source saying that if production location had to be changed then this would be a further delay and would require a new budget.


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Oct 20 2010, 3:55pm

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The timeframe should be easier this way [In reply to] Can't Post

If they were filming in New Zealand, they'd have to squeeze as much outdoor shooting as they could into February and March, when the weather is still fairly good. If they're filming in the northern hemisphere, they can take their time and film outdoors all through summer, and in the months immediately preceding and following it, too. Indoor scenes can be shot in studios in northern-hemisphere spring, autumn and winter. Not that I'm saying the quality of the film will definitely benefit as a result of the alternate timeframe, but it's something worth thinking about.


sphdle1
Gondor


Oct 20 2010, 4:01pm

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Looks like the Unions may have just destroyed the movie industry in NZ [In reply to] Can't Post

Hard to believe that a few people could be so selfish & play with fire at everyone elses expense, to the point that they destroy the livelihoods of 1000's of people in their own country. I think the NZ Union members might have to look at moving to a new country now, because they won't be treated well in their own country anymore after what they did. Good luck to them finding acting jobs in NZ...no one will hire them now. A bullet in the foot can't feel too good, especially since it deflected and hit 1000's of other jobs.

I think NZ Equity unions games have just ended in the worst possible way, and the ones behind it responsible for the fallout are going to feel it for a long time, not to mention all the innocent by-standards that will be greatly affected, and also not to mention all the 'fans' that will be affected.

At least the NZ Equity union won't have to worry about their members having unfavorable working conditions...
Mad


RobNZ
Bree


Oct 20 2010, 4:08pm

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Looks that way now [In reply to] Can't Post

Quote: "Next week Warners are coming down to New Zealand to make arrangements to move the production offshore. It appears we cannot make films in our own country even when substantial financing is available." from Peters own lips I believe.

Source: http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/4255670/Hobbit-looks-headed-overseas

I hope those actors are permanently blacklisted and never get work again!!!
I dont think they are going to be very welcome in NZ from now on.


(This post was edited by RobNZ on Oct 20 2010, 4:10pm)


Peredhil lover
Valinor


Oct 20 2010, 4:09pm

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It's not easy [In reply to] Can't Post

not to feel that way, isn't it? Though I still cling to some 'fool's hope' that things work out for NZ.



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sphdle1
Gondor


Oct 20 2010, 4:22pm

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The only thing that may give some hope is [In reply to] Can't Post

if these announcements of moving offshore, are the studios way of giving the NZ equity union a kick to force them to stop the boycott, so that production can begin immediately. I think this is a warning shot across the bow, and if NZ equity don't stop their boycott, it will be over. However if they stop it immediately, there may still be a chance that Warner will have called their bluff, and they can have no more delays in making the movie.

My fear is that the union won't take the hint or get a grip on reality, and keep the boycott in place. I think if there is a chance, it is a small window of time before all hope is lost.


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Oct 20 2010, 4:26pm

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That's how I felt about GdT directing [In reply to] Can't Post

I held onto the idea that he might return to The Hobbit for so long that it's almost embarrassing. It was only when At the Mountains of Madness was announced that I finally gave up.


Peredhil lover
Valinor


Oct 20 2010, 4:29pm

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I really wish [In reply to] Can't Post

you're right ... so far it seems not be the official confirmation, and I'll cling to hope until the last moment.

Is it really wise for these Union guys to keep the boycott up just to save face (and that's how it feels for me), when it is driving the Hobbit out of the country - and probably not only this one production? They're heavily damaging the NZ film industry, IMO. At times I feel like banging my head into the wall in desperation!



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ranger123
Rivendell


Oct 20 2010, 4:31pm

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PJ says the boycott has been lifted, but it is too late [In reply to] Can't Post

Warners are no longer confident in NZ being a secure location anymore.


Peredhil lover
Valinor


Oct 20 2010, 4:55pm

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You know what's said [In reply to] Can't Post

That hope dies last, right?

*sigh* I just don't want to believe it that after all that waiting such a huge blow has to come Frown Sadly, I can't even express my opinion of MEAA properly, this is a family friendly board after all ...



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Brandybuckled
Lorien

Oct 20 2010, 5:33pm

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When the thrush knocks on the portaloo... [In reply to] Can't Post


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save space and film in a portaloo i say! Tongue

The portaloo works as the dwarves' cells in Mirkwood,
on its side would make for a tunnel for Bilbo to crawl through,
on its side the outside (and inside) can be converted into a barrel for the escape to Lake-town,
the "lower chamber" could be where Gollum's scenes are filmed,
for effects shots, set one on fire and it becomes the lonely mountain when Smaug comes out in anger...


(This post was edited by Brandybuckled on Oct 20 2010, 5:35pm)


the_argonath
Lorien


Oct 20 2010, 6:30pm

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Such sad news :( [In reply to] Can't Post

NZ is the absolute best (and only) location TH can be filmed in. Hobbiton is already there, as are most of the crew/offices etc. People who are working on the film are familiar with everything there, and to move it would cause even more huge delays. I'd rather wait an extra year or so for all these problems to be ironed out but to have the movie shot in NZ than see the film in 2 years time but shot in some other country with unfamiliar "stand-in" scenery.
I agree that the UK & ROI would make a good alternative (as a Brit, it would be awesome to know it's so close!) but I'd just be so much more comfortable knowing it's being made in the country that birthed the LotR movies Unsure
Anything we "meagre" fans can do to save the NZ shoot should be done I reckon.

~*Haudh-en-Ndengin the Elves named it, the Hill of Slain, and Haugh-en-Nirnaeth, the Hill of tears... the earth beneath which the swords of the Eldar and the Edain crumbled into rust*~

And so it begins...

(This post was edited by the_argonath on Oct 20 2010, 6:31pm)


Nerwen
Bree


Oct 20 2010, 6:30pm

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UK/Ireland etc are all fine except... [In reply to] Can't Post

NZ is the perfect Middle-earth because it's such a young country, both geologically and when considering human history. That's why the mountains are still peaked and the nature so wild. There are also practically no ancient castle ruins or such that would affect the mood of landscapes or the art department designs. New Zealand's endemic trees and other plants look quite exotic to the rest of the world, which adds an element of "fantasy" to the screen without any special effects! The light is completely different in NZ than in Europe and this shows in the film too - it's easy to spot NZ scenes from the Narnia films just by looking at the colour of water.

Now don't get me wrong, I love the UK countryside and especially Wales - it's just that the unique NZ look has been established as Middle-earth on screen and I want it to stay that way!

"Eyes that fire and sword have seen
and horror in the halls of stone
look at last on meadows green
and trees and hills they long have known
."


dormouse
Half-elven

Oct 20 2010, 6:59pm

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Same here.... [In reply to] Can't Post

I love England, I live here. Scotland is magnificent. But I never knew much about New Zealand until I saw the films and it seemed so right. For me New Zealand is just as much part of the cast as any of the characters and its loss from The Hobbit would be incalculable.


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Oct 20 2010, 7:15pm

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The Hobbiton scenes will be shot in NZ, no matter what [In reply to] Can't Post

It seems that most members missed that announcement.


Eruonen
Valinor


Oct 20 2010, 7:52pm

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Technically, won't the "not a boycott" follow the production [In reply to] Can't Post

wherever it goes? The "all for one and one for all" motto. Or will the other unions / guilds say..."Oh boy, too bad NZ Equity, we will gladly take the jobs offered because they will be at our existing contract rates."


(This post was edited by Eruonen on Oct 20 2010, 7:52pm)


Eruonen
Valinor


Oct 20 2010, 7:57pm

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I can see the NZ union calling for a continued "not a boycott" as the [In reply to] Can't Post

production moves away and then SAG and other unions saying....well, what is done is done...we cannot oblige you.


the_argonath
Lorien


Oct 20 2010, 8:48pm

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That's good news :) [In reply to] Can't Post

I must've missed it in my panic/worry/amazement/haste etc Evil

~*Haudh-en-Ndengin the Elves named it, the Hill of Slain, and Haugh-en-Nirnaeth, the Hill of tears... the earth beneath which the swords of the Eldar and the Edain crumbled into rust*~

And so it begins...


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 20 2010, 9:36pm

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Avatar2 & 3// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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The Hobbit is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 20 2010, 9:37pm

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And if it was floating on a raft in international waters...// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster

The Hobbit is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 20 2010, 9:41pm

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But now it is not a not a boycott. [In reply to] Can't Post

A Cheeze Whiz sandwich without the bread.

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster

The Hobbit is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 20 2010, 9:45pm

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*mods-up*// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster

The Hobbit is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

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Tim
Tol Eressea


Oct 20 2010, 9:46pm

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Cheese Sammich [In reply to] Can't Post

still exists on SAG website here. I keep refreshing to see if anything changes - then I go back and do google searches in case the update is put on a different page.

King Arthur: Who are you who can summon fire without flint or tinder?
Tim: There are some who call me... Tim?


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 20 2010, 10:00pm

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Whole lot-a smoke floating round. [In reply to] Can't Post

The lifting has not been made officially public yet. That is what that Kelly was blowing about when she started callin' PJ names.

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster

The Hobbit is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

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Calafalas
Bree

Oct 20 2010, 10:10pm

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Yes! Carpathians [In reply to] Can't Post

I had the same thought. It is quite beautiful in the area...Romania, Hungary, Slovakia. And the surrounding area is quite Shire-like as are a majority of the people Hobbity...being farmers and such. Besides, it should be enormously less expensive to film there, as the economy is quite surpressed. Not that I want The Hobbit moved, but should it be necessary, the Carps could be ideal, imho. Don't know if the Dracula thing would be a hindrance or not. Wink


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 20 2010, 10:45pm

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Drac could always play the Necromancer/Sauron.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster

The Hobbit is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

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Calafalas
Bree

Oct 20 2010, 11:08pm

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Vlad the Necromancer. I t could work. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


elevendayempire
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Oct 21 2010, 8:42am

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That's why mum's gone to Iceland. [In reply to] Can't Post


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NZ is the perfect Middle-earth because it's such a young country, both geologically and when considering human history.

Like I said, there's always Iceland.

:D


Peredhil lover
Valinor


Oct 21 2010, 8:46am

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Iceland is beautiful [In reply to] Can't Post

No doubt about it. Have been there, absolutely love the country and hope to get back for a visit again. But I still want the Hobbit made in NZ. (And anyway, nowhere in Iceland is anything wooded enough to pose as Mirkwood Wink)



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elevendayempire
Registered User

Oct 21 2010, 9:08am

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Mix and match [In reply to] Can't Post


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No doubt about it. Have been there, absolutely love the country and hope to get back for a visit again. But I still want the Hobbit made in NZ. (And anyway, nowhere in Iceland is anything wooded enough to pose as Mirkwood Wink)

To be honest, I'd mix-and match. Use WB's Leavesden Studios as a main base, and for shooting interiors and greenscreen (not least so we can get Christopher Lee in the film), Ireland, Wales, Scotland and Iceland for exteriors. Oh, and use the Hobbiton sets in NZ. Simple!

 
 

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