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Eldy
Gondor


Oct 18 2010, 5:57pm

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Sorry, that's a cop-out [In reply to] Can't Post

You can at least summarize them in a short bullet-list or give a link to a relevant website. If you have time to continue this back-and-forth for as long as you have, you have time to spend five minutes on Google. Otherwise it sounds like you're just making these "laws" up out of thin air.



There's a feeling I get, when I look to the West...



Flagg
Tol Eressea


Oct 18 2010, 5:58pm

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Re: Twilight [In reply to] Can't Post

(I hope this message goes through this time; it turned up blank the last couple of times I tried to post it.)

Twilight and its sequels have all received mixed to negative critical response and none of the films or books have won any prestigious awards. The series is hugely popular among its target audience – that is, teenage girls – but ask anyone outside that audience what they think of Twilight and the odds are they won't exactly give you a glowing recommendation. Most people outside the target audience regard Twilight with disdain and think of it as something to be mocked (which, in my humble opinion, it is).

The Lord of the Rings has recieved praise far more unanimous and prestigious than Twilight, so the comparison doesn't really work for me.


Eldy
Gondor


Oct 18 2010, 6:00pm

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Not unanimous - that's my point [In reply to] Can't Post

Was LOTR's reception largely positive? Sure, probably.

Were the majority positive? Possibly.

But unanimous, or near-unanimous? I don't think that's the case.



There's a feeling I get, when I look to the West...



Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 18 2010, 6:03pm

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First off what exactly do you mean by good? [In reply to] Can't Post

1. Being positive or desirable in nature; not bad or poor: a good experience; good news from the hospital.2. a. Having the qualities that are desirable or distinguishing in a particular thing: a good exterior paint; a good joke.b. Serving the desired purpose or end; suitable: Is this a good dress for the party?3. a. Not spoiled or ruined: The milk is still good.b. In excellent condition; sound: a good tooth.4. a. Superior to the average; satisfactory: a good student.b. Used formerly to refer to the U.S. Government grade of meat higher than standard and lower than choice.5. a. Of high quality: good books.b. Discriminating: good taste.6. Worthy of respect; honorable: ruined the family's good name.7. Attractive; handsome: good looks.8. Beneficial to health; salutary: a good night's rest.9. Competent; skilled: a good machinist.10. Complete; thorough: a good workout.11. a. Reliable; sure: a good investment.b. Valid or true: a good reason.c. Genuine; real: a good dollar bill.12. a. In effect; operative: a warranty good for two years; a driver's license that is still good.b. Able to continue in a specified activity: I'm good for another round of golf.13. a. Able to pay or contribute: Is she good for the money that you lent her?b. Able to elicit a specified reaction: He is always good for a laugh.14. a. Ample; substantial: a good income.b. Bountiful: a good table.15. Full: It is a good mile from here.16. a. Pleasant; enjoyable: had a good time at the party.b. Propitious; favorable: good weather; a good omen.17. a. Of moral excellence; upright: a good person.b. Benevolent; kind: a good soul; a good heart.c. Loyal; staunch: a good Republican.18. a. Well-behaved; obedient: a good child.b. Socially correct; proper: good manners.19. Sports a. Landing within bounds or within a particular area of a court and therefore in play: The first serve was wide, but the second was good.b. Passing between the uprights of the goal and therefore scoring, as a field goal in football.20. Used to form exclamatory phrases expressing surprise or dismay: Good heavens! Good grief!n.1. a. Something that is good.b. A good, valuable, or useful part or aspect.2. Welfare; benefit: for the common good.3. Goodness; virtue: There is much good to be found in people.4. goodsa. Commodities; wares: frozen goods.b. Portable personal property.c. (used with a sing. or pl. verb) Fabric; material.5. goods Slang Incriminating information or evidence: tried to get the goods on the crook.adv. Informal Well.Idioms: as good as Practically; nearly: as good as new. but good Informal Used as an intensive: The pipe started to leak but good. for good Permanently; forever: I'm moving to Europe for good. good and Informal Very; thoroughly: I'll do it when I'm good and ready. no good Informal 1. Worthless.2. Futile; useless: It's no good arguing with them. to the good1. For the best; advantageous.2. In an advantageous financial position: ended up to the good.
[Middle English, from Old English gd; see ghedh- in Indo-European roots.]Usage Note: Good is properly used as an adjective with linking verbs such as be, seem, or appear: The future looks good. The soup tastes good. It should not be used as an adverb with other verbs: The car runs well (not good). Thus, The dress fits well and looks good. See Usage Note at well2.

Kangi Ska Resident Bird Brain

The Hobbit is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

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(This post was edited by Kangi Ska on Oct 18 2010, 6:04pm)


Eldy
Gondor


Oct 18 2010, 6:04pm

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Non sequitur. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 



There's a feeling I get, when I look to the West...



(This post was edited by Eldorion on Oct 18 2010, 6:05pm)


Idril Celebrindal
Tol Eressea


Oct 18 2010, 6:09pm

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Of course Middle-earth is real! [In reply to] Can't Post

10,000 TORNsibs can't all be wrong. Cool


With caffeine, all things are possible.

The pity of Bilbo will screw up the fate of many.

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 18 2010, 6:12pm

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It is not a cop out. [In reply to] Can't Post

I am married to an artist with 3 studio degrees in painting and drawing. I have attended writers work shops, studied the history of art and am grounded very well in the subject. Art criticism is a very complex subject.

I would sum up what you seem to be saying. If I like it, it is good enough. I would add: think about it, then tell me why in concrete / objective terms you like a specific film. I bet you can do it.

Kangi Ska Resident Bird Brain

The Hobbit is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

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Eldy
Gondor


Oct 18 2010, 6:13pm

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We were having a discussion [In reply to] Can't Post

Refusing to give meaningful replies and saying "go take a University class" is not conducive to having interesting or insightful discussions, nor is it polite to the other people in the thread.



There's a feeling I get, when I look to the West...



(This post was edited by Eldorion on Oct 18 2010, 6:14pm)


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 18 2010, 6:17pm

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Are you going to take on logic next? [In reply to] Can't Post

I think, therefore I am.

Kangi Ska Resident Bird Brain

The Hobbit is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

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Eldy
Gondor


Oct 18 2010, 6:18pm

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I'm through [In reply to] Can't Post

Yet another non sequitur and a refusal to have a real discussion. I have no patience for trolling of this sort right now, so I'm out of the thread.



There's a feeling I get, when I look to the West...



Ataahua
Superuser / Moderator


Oct 18 2010, 6:21pm

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For what its worth, [In reply to] Can't Post

I know no one in my circle of friends and workmates who have seen the Twilight films and disliked them. A lot of people don't like the movies, but a lot of people outside the perceived target audience of teenagers *are* fans and shouldn't be disregarded through generalisation.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Tim
Tol Eressea


Oct 18 2010, 6:27pm

Post #187 of 202 (382 views)
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Very True [In reply to] Can't Post

even I liked the first two Twilight movies though I haven't read the books yet. I quizzed my daughter about them quite a bit though I wonder if I get credit for that? Wink

King Arthur: Who are you who can summon fire without flint or tinder?
Tim: There are some who call me... Tim.


Flagg
Tol Eressea


Oct 18 2010, 6:35pm

Post #188 of 202 (485 views)
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Unanimity [In reply to] Can't Post

'Was LOTR's reception largely positive? Sure, probably.
Were the majority positive? Possibly.
But unanimous, or near-unanimous? I don't think that's the case.
'

LotR's reception was overwhelmingly positive. I think that's well-known by this stage.

As for unanimity: as with most things in life, it is not possible to achieve a one hundred per cent approval rating for The Lord of the Rings. As the saying goes: 'There's always one!'. There will always be those with contrary views or beliefs; for example, those who detest fantasy will not like LotR; those who dislike certain actors may not like LotR; those who do not pay attention to the story may not like LotR; those with bad taste in films may not like LotR. None of these facts reflect poorly on the quality of the films themselves in any way; they only mean that the films alienated certain viewers in order to reach out to others. Maximising the appeal of a work is an important part of ensuring its quality; after all, if *everyone* loves it then there is no subjective dislike for the work in existence, and the work is objectively perfect by default. If a few fringe groups (eg Tolkien
über-purists) dislike a film because it brushed them and their tastes aside on its way to critical acclaim and commercial triumph, so be it. Smile

Films don't get much closer to unanimous agreement of excellence than The Lord of the Rings.



Ataahua
Superuser / Moderator


Oct 18 2010, 6:49pm

Post #189 of 202 (366 views)
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*awards invisible extra credit* ;) / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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macfalk
Valinor


Oct 18 2010, 6:52pm

Post #190 of 202 (414 views)
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Twilight? No thanks! // [In reply to] Can't Post

 





(This post was edited by macfalk on Oct 18 2010, 6:52pm)


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 18 2010, 6:53pm

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I am at work and I really do not have time right now. Perhaps I will return to the discussion when I get to my home computer.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Kangi Ska Resident Bird Brain

The Hobbit is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.

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Estel78
Tol Eressea

Oct 18 2010, 9:02pm

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Not the 2 best examples to make your point [In reply to] Can't Post


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However, based on your latest post, you do seem to think that the vast majority of people think the that PJ's LOTR was very good. I'm not exactly sure how you can come to that conclusion just based on box office data. Titanic and Avatar were even greater box office successes than LOTR, and they have had nowhere near universal acclaim. The same can be said for most successful movies (whether you judge success based on revenue, critical response, or awards).


Both, Titanic and Avatar didn't end up making what they did due to a huge opening but out of this world legs (longetivity), which were on a whole other level than LOTR, a sign of fantastic word of mouth. Both were nominated for a plethora of Oscars, including best picture, Titanic went home with 11 Oscar wins, including best picture.

They may not be quite up there in terms of universal critical acclaim ("professional" - in quotes - critics) but it's not a huge disparity.


elentari3018
Rohan


Oct 19 2010, 5:16am

Post #193 of 202 (325 views)
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I agree-- Meyer is talentless...Twilight is only for teenage girls. (sorry if there are any in here:P) [In reply to] Can't Post


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Meyer is a talentless hack who happens to have an agent who is a brilliant businessperson who knew that many female teenagers don't give a darn about decent characterization and only need their hormone fix.


"By Elbereth and Luthien the fair, you shall have neither the Ring nor me!" ~Frodo

"And then Gandalf arose and bid all men rise, and they rose, and he said: 'Here is a last hail ere the feast endeth. Last but not least. For I name now those who shall not be forgotten and without whose valour nought else that was done would have availed; and I name before you all Frodo of the Shire and Samwise his servant. And the bards and the minstrels should give them new names: Bronwe athan Harthad and Harthad Uluithiad , Endurance beyond Hope and Hope Unquenchable.." ~Gandalf, The End of the Third Age , from The History of Middle Earth series


macfalk
Valinor


Oct 19 2010, 8:41am

Post #194 of 202 (318 views)
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"trolling" [In reply to] Can't Post

I cannot recall seeing anyone "trolling" in this thread. A weak excuse.





Bound
Rohan


Oct 19 2010, 8:42am

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I'm afraid not... [In reply to] Can't Post

I wasn't quoting you but I don't discredit that you were talking about it in previous threads..


acheron
Gondor


Oct 19 2010, 1:13pm

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Start here [In reply to] Can't Post

Hope you have 70 minutes free.

http://gizmodo.com/5429692/epic-70+minute-phantom-menace-review-justifies-the-existence-of-the-phantom-menace

That review is far more worthwhile than the actual movie.

For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much -- the wheel, New York, wars, and so on -- while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man, for precisely the same reasons. -- Douglas Adams

(This post was edited by acheron on Oct 19 2010, 1:13pm)


sphdle1
Gondor


Oct 19 2010, 3:33pm

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I must be one of the few [In reply to] Can't Post

Original Star Wars trilogy (New Hope, TESB, ROTJ), who loved those movies, yet found the newer prequels to be equally as good as the originals if not better. I would have been 9 when I first saw the first Star Wars movie - AKA 'A New Hope' ... PM gives me just as fond memories as the original did.


sphdle1
Gondor


Oct 19 2010, 3:36pm

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Yeah I'd likely disagree with everything in that [In reply to] Can't Post

Just have to agree to disagree on this one, because I don't think I'm going to convince you or the people from that review that your all wrong...Sly


Tim
Tol Eressea


Oct 19 2010, 3:47pm

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Definitely won't convince me I'm wrong [In reply to] Can't Post

I've watched the Phantom Edit of both Phantom Menace and Clone Wars and it's amazing what some real editing can do to improve both movies - haven't seen that editors version of Revenge of the Sith yet though.

King Arthur: Who are you who can summon fire without flint or tinder?
Tim: There are some who call me... Tim?


Bound
Rohan


Oct 19 2010, 4:33pm

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I'm just hopping in here.. [In reply to] Can't Post

This isn't direct at you Tim or anyone specifically.. but the star war prequels are an inferior set of movies.

I don't care what edit / version of the movies you are considering. There are many things wrong with them - over use of CGI, lack of characters, uninteresting political stories/ badly written etc etc

But the main reason the prequels don't work is simply - because they are prequels. When you have a main story likes the original movies and then you go back to write prequels you are essentially telling a story that really doesn't have a natural purpose. There's zero tension because you know how where the characters end up in the end. You spend far too long hinting towards stuff that you know will happen - but it comes off being cheap and tongue in cheek.

This won't be the case in the hobbit because it's not a prequel it's the story that came before the lord of the rings but it wasn't written after the fact.

I should point out that I’ve read many prequels from series of books and I feel the same way - unless you are telling a story that happens before the main original story but doesn't revolve around it - then you are telling a pointless story.
If you want one simple example of how the star wars prequels ruin the natural story of Star Wars – this one does it for me. The end of The Empire strikes back is considered a monumental moment in the series and in film history – The Luke I am your father moment, along with the great “noooooooooooooooooooooo”
However if you watch the six star wars movies in chronological order – the drama and gravity of that scene is gone. We know that Anikan skywalker is darth vader and we know he has two kids…
Pointless story telling !

Rant over :)

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