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New York Times: Jackson to direct 'The Hobbit'
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Flagg
Tol Eressea

Oct 2 2010, 12:26pm

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The only way this could get better... [In reply to] Can't Post

...is if Guillermo del Toro was directing it. I don't think I'll ever completely get over the disappointment of his departure. But Peter Jackson is a worthy replacement, and likely the best we could hope for under the circumstances.


DiveTwin
Rohan


Oct 2 2010, 1:04pm

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There And Back Again [In reply to] Can't Post

Will be ecstatic when this is confirmed. I feel the book was handed back to Peter Jackson and he decided "there's room for a little more .... " regarding his experiences with Middle Earth. Great!

"Do not come between the Nazgul and his prey"


dormouse
Half-elven

Oct 2 2010, 1:08pm

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Replacement? [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't know, Flagg. Much as I'd have liked to see Guillermo's visualisation of The Hobbit, I could never think of PJ as a 'replacement'; the GdT version would have grown out of of Peter Jackson's films, with PJ intimately involved as producer/writer. Now it seems he will direct as well (*holds breath for the proper announcement*) and I'm delighted and relieved.

For me the only way this could get any better would be if they announce that the 3D part is a mistake and it will be a real film, like LotR, with the emphasis on artwork, acting, storytelling and music...


(This post was edited by dormouse on Oct 2 2010, 1:09pm)


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 2 2010, 1:43pm

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Peter Jackson is a great New Zealand patriot & one of the greatest film makers alive. [In reply to] Can't Post

His love of country and of film would not allow him to step away from the Hobbit. He understands the importance of this set of films to his homeland film industry, that he has had such a large hand in building. I had no doubt, that if it came down to a good fight, that Pete would see it through to the end. I am happy that Guillermo del Toro became involved and hope that his amazing vision lives on in the script and eventually makes it to the screen. I am glad that Richard Taylor and Weta, in all of its forms, are at hand and ready to perform the tasks needed to bring this wonderfilled little book (the least of all books) to the silver screen. I am Glad that John Howe & Alan Lee are there to lend their incredible talents. If this is indeed the beginning of the official beginning I am filled with joy.

Kangi Ska

Make the Hobbit Happen Now!

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Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Oct 2 2010, 1:43pm

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*mods up* and *mods up again* [In reply to] Can't Post

 



maut
Rivendell


Oct 2 2010, 1:49pm

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Yes! [In reply to] Can't Post

Yeah!!! YEAH!!!!!!!!!
Great news - this made me happy !

One Ring to rule them all,
one Ring to find them,
one Ring to bring them all,
and in darkness bind them!
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Naur ann adriat ammin!
I have written Gandalf is here in signs that all can read from Rivendell to the mouths of Anduin.

(This post was edited by maut on Oct 2 2010, 1:50pm)


LoremIpsum
Lorien

Oct 2 2010, 2:04pm

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3D? Bring it on!!!!!! [In reply to] Can't Post


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For me the only way this could get any better would be if they announce that the 3D part is a mistake and it will be a real film, like LotR, with the emphasis on artwork, acting, storytelling and music...

I fail to see why it can't be a great 3D movie with a heart, LOTR had enormous amounts of special and computer generated effects which actually enhanced the story and cinematic experience in general. It's a tricky thing to do this and Jackson is master of it.




Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 2 2010, 2:16pm

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Yes, Real 3-D will turn the entire digitally rendered movies into huge special effects. [In reply to] Can't Post

I will not call them films because there is no film involved and the end product is more closely akin to a video game than a film.

Kangi Ska

Make the Hobbit Happen Now!

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Anduril1993
Rivendell


Oct 2 2010, 2:24pm

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Finally news we have all been waiting for!!!!! [In reply to] Can't Post

HURRAY! HURRAY! HURRAY!



All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
From the ashes a fire shal be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king.


Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea

Oct 2 2010, 2:27pm

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Exactly [In reply to] Can't Post

To think that these films might not be shot on traditional film breaks my heart. Unsure


LoremIpsum
Lorien


Oct 2 2010, 2:37pm

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And there is nothing wrong about them being huge special effects [In reply to] Can't Post

Because the world is moving forward and I don't see how storing visual information in digital form instead of film tape is going to ruin cinema forever.Tongue


RaoulJ
Rivendell


Oct 2 2010, 2:47pm

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Thanks Mister [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks Kangi Ska, as always you are absolutely right.. As much as I want to explain
what is wrong with 3d, I'm not gonna. Let us be happy about the 'news' and hope this is true..

This isn't the thread for a 3d-discussion.. It probably is below this one, or above... and probably both.


sara
Lorien


Oct 2 2010, 2:49pm

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PJ directing is like coming home after being away for so long... [In reply to] Can't Post

All of a sudden you feel comfortable and cozy again and you know everything is going to be okay.

We can lay our fears to rest. (Well for the most part, I'm still not feeling good at all about the 3-D thing)

THANK YOU SIR PETER!

All this good news at once...I'm not sure how to take it all in!!!...

Close the door, put out the light.
You know they won't be home tonight.
The snow falls hard and don't you know?
The winds of Thor are blowing cold.
They're wearing steel that's bright and true
They carry news that must get through.

They choose the path where no-one goes.

They hold no quarter.


sara
Lorien


Oct 2 2010, 2:59pm

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Couldn't have said it better...// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Close the door, put out the light.
You know they won't be home tonight.
The snow falls hard and don't you know?
The winds of Thor are blowing cold.
They're wearing steel that's bright and true
They carry news that must get through.

They choose the path where no-one goes.

They hold no quarter.


Rivendweller
Lorien


Oct 2 2010, 3:08pm

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Believe - and it will happen // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


There's something of everything here, The Shire and the Golden Wood and Gondor and kings' houses and inns and meadows and mountains all mixed.

....and there are Elves when you want them.
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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 2 2010, 3:09pm

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It is not a matter of storage: talk to the film lovers. [In reply to] Can't Post

It has to do with how the images are manipulated and the feel of reality. Even Avatar (as good as it was) still felt like a cartoon. The closest that anyone has come co a believable digital character was Gollum in LotR and he worked because of the incredible amount of time and effort involved in his creation I do not want the Hobbit to be like Avatar. I want to sit back, without distracting glasses, and get totally involved in the reality of Middle-earth just like I did with Fellowship of the Ring. 3-D is interesting but still only a way for the studios to try and pump up the box office. They risk loosing the older fan base by pandering to the youngsters.

Furthermore just because something is old does not make it bad. There is a reason why 3-D (Which has been around for 60 + years) has not become the dominant format in cinema.

Kangi Ska

Make the Hobbit Happen Now!

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(This post was edited by Kangi Ska on Oct 2 2010, 3:10pm)


Rivendweller
Lorien


Oct 2 2010, 3:15pm

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Your faith and belief are inspiring [In reply to] Can't Post

You have never given up hope, nor have you ever forgotten to put " something " about the Hobbit in your footer / signature for lo these many years ! You have long held out hope and faith in Peter Jackson et.al. and I have been silently rooting for you all along. Angelic


There's something of everything here, The Shire and the Golden Wood and Gondor and kings' houses and inns and meadows and mountains all mixed.

....and there are Elves when you want them.
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Formerly A'amel from days gone by.


Flagg
Tol Eressea

Oct 2 2010, 3:58pm

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What about DVDs? [In reply to] Can't Post

Do you watch DVDs or Blu-ray discs? Those are 100% digital too. To classify them as video games is a bit of a stretch.


Alientraveller
Lorien

Oct 2 2010, 4:35pm

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I'd hardly use 'video game' as a derogatory term [In reply to] Can't Post

Especially as they, and not the majority of Hollywood, are holding the gold standard for storytelling and imagery nowadays: just look at Assassin's Creed, Red Dead Redemption, Call of Duty and Uncharted, to name a few classics released within the past year. Anyway, as I wrote in another thread it won't matter to me as I wear glasses anyway, and I am very, very pleased to see PJ will direct considering he's been intimately involved with the project, since LOTR and with Guillermo.

As I recall, PJ was scared about tackling Middle-earth again. I'm reminded of Frodo and Gandalf's exchange: Jackson may wish he didn't have to direct, but that is not for him to decide, all he has to do is to decide what to do with the time he has been given.


Glaurung63
Lorien

Oct 2 2010, 5:25pm

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happier than a Took with a Prancing Pony pint... [In reply to] Can't Post

I jumped upon reading the news! It's like the universe is correcting itself....


Finrod
Rohan


Oct 2 2010, 5:25pm

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Film to Digital to Film [In reply to] Can't Post


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To think that these films might not be shot on traditional film breaks my heart. Unsure


It needn’t break your heart.

Just for one thing, it might well be shot on film for the initial capture. There exist twin‐lens rigs that capture two film frames simultaneously for a stereo effect, and which have things like aperture and focus distance governed by the same control. Both would be the same anamophic lenses as they normally shoot with.

But as they did with The Lord of the Rings, once the film has been processed (‘developed’), they then scan that film into a computer so that they can integrate a multitude of factors including reversing the anamorphic compression and adding special effects, color correction, digital grading, digital stunt doubles, and who knows what else.

Then when they’re finally done diddling with the imagery, they output their frames back to film again in anamophic widescreen format. That way you run it through a film projector with a reverse‐anamophic lens on it to project on to the big screen. I suppose that for polarized ‘3D’, they must run twin projectors, too.

I have no idea whether they’ll initially shoot it using film. They might, as sensor tech may not be up to creating the full 35mm frame in three color channels at full resolution. I don’t keep up with all that, so don’t know. There may also be field‐of‐view and depth‐of‐field issues on a purely digital capture that they wish to avoid. They might prefer to shoot with film lenses for those reasons, too. Again, I can’t speak to that particular tech, because I do not know what’s available; every time I look, I’m amazed by how far they’ve come, though.

What I am sure of is that Peter and his crew at Weta Digital will do whatever makes the most sense. The final movie will certainly be ‘printed’ on film for wider cinematic distribution.

Film is just one form of capture medium. Digital is another. Peter has shown that he can combine the strengths of each to produce something that’s better than either by itself was previously.

Why fret about it? It really doesn’t matter.

For the record, I do shoot with a ‘digital 35mm’ camera, a Nikon D700. I can do far more with it than you can with film. This has next to nothing in common with the common digicams in your cell phone or shirt pocket. Don’t make the mistake of judging professional digital photography based on some little consumer toy.

…all eyes looked upon the ring; for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarfin and his house.
The Silmarillion, pp 150-151
while Felagund laughs beneath the trees
in Valinor and comes no more
to this grey world of tears and war.
The Lays of Beleriand, p 311




Doriath
Rivendell


Oct 2 2010, 5:26pm

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Well said Kangi [In reply to] Can't Post

I have a feeling those in the pro 3D camp tend to be the kiddies and it appears to be quite a challenge to explain to them why the 3D format should not be used on this particular project. I need these films to be real escapism to Middle Earth. If I want to ride a roller coaster I'll go to the amusement park.

The Trees will have their revenge!


Malveth The Eternal
Lorien

Oct 2 2010, 5:59pm

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Disappointed [In reply to] Can't Post

I just don't like PJ as a director. And I hate 3D.
Very let down how this all turned out.
I'd honestly prefer no movie at all.
At least the Silmarillion is unfilmable...

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 2 2010, 6:05pm

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It is not the storage..it is the manipulation. [In reply to] Can't Post

An good film movie camera captures 10 times as much information as a good digital movie camera.

Shooting on site is not enhanced by 3-D so there is a big incentive to Mocap your actors and create the background. Then you enhance the mocaps to fit with the digitally created background. You wind up with Avatar. Nothing on the screen is real.

Kangi Ska

Make the Hobbit Happen Now!

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Oct 2 2010, 6:14pm

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I can use video games up as a perfect example of what movies are becoming. [In reply to] Can't Post

Video games do not depict reality they create their own reality. This is not bad. It is just not what the Hobbit films need. I believe they should look and feel like the LotR films and that can only be achieved by shooting on film. Digital enhancement and special effects were used on the original films but the movies realistic feel is due to seeing real images of real people and reel places for the most part.

Kangi Ska

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