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Who will helm 'The Hobbit'?
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R11
Lorien

Jun 3 2010, 5:07pm

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Another list [In reply to] Can't Post

At the end of this article:

http://www.salon.com/...o_will_direct_hobbit


Also an interesting quote of del Toro to a question regarding Tolkien (from 2006 after Pan's debut - in an earlier linked article):


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I couldn't help thinking of Tolkien and C.S. Lewis in this film. Were you a fan of those books?

I was never into heroic fantasy. At all. I don't like little guys and dragons, hairy feet, hobbits -- I've never been into that at all. I don't like sword and sorcery, I hate all that stuff.

C.S. Lewis was another thing. I really enjoyed him as a kid, but he's too Catholic for me. It's not something as an adult I can feel comfortable relating to.




ron


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jun 3 2010, 5:12pm

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Has anyone mentioned Spike Jonze? [In reply to] Can't Post

He seems to have all of the qualities and Qualifications.

Kangi Ska

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Oiotári
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Jun 3 2010, 5:12pm

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to go along with that [In reply to] Can't Post

which is worse:
a director who is so thoroughly steeped in Tolkien that they know they will have to give something up, but then chooses the wrong parts because they are too attached to the parts that should have gone
or a director who knows "more than a little to start" but is determined not to disappoint the fans?


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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jun 3 2010, 5:23pm

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I understand this push for Fran as Hobbit Director [In reply to] Can't Post

but I see it as probable wishful thinking. From her history and statements made I do not think that she wants the publicity glare that will come with this job. Secondarily I do not believe that the studios would buy it. We are in economically hard times and there is a lot of money involved. They are going to want a Name. I have decided to support no one candidate at this point and only make suggestions for all of us to think about.

KS

Kangi Ska

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Lunamoth
Rohan


Jun 3 2010, 5:31pm

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Yeah, that's been covered... [In reply to] Can't Post

...long past old news, that one. GDT had since come right around to the whole thing since childhood, and especially since that quote was made... 4 years ago now?

Wandering in the Elven Wood

(This post was edited by Lunamoth on Jun 3 2010, 5:33pm)


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jun 3 2010, 5:39pm

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Very interesting article: [In reply to] Can't Post

I found the explanations of each mentioned directorial choice illuminating.

Kangi Ska

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Eruthurin
Rivendell


Jun 3 2010, 5:41pm

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PJ or Cuarón, Definetly.... // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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R11
Lorien

Jun 3 2010, 5:41pm

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I figured [In reply to] Can't Post

It likely had been, what with no stones going unturned and all. Even though it was from four years ago, he did seem to be talking in the present tense at the time and in none to ambiguous terms. It just sounded so at odds to the seeming enthusiasm for the project he posted with...


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Lunamoth
Rohan


Jun 3 2010, 6:00pm

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attitudes change [In reply to] Can't Post


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It likely had been, what with no stones going unturned and all. Even though it was from four years ago, he did seem to be talking in the present tense at the time and in none to ambiguous terms. It just sounded so at odds to the seeming enthusiasm for the project he posted with...


If we didn't grow and change through life's experiences, where would we be? Empty shells. I never once doubted his enthusiasm, when expressed. At one time, I thought I didn't like mysteries, until someone introduced me to the right authors that resonated with me. Attitudes can change and it's great to see someone get turned on to Tolkien, and *welcome* them to the fandom with open arms, instead of suspicion.

Just my opinion, of course.

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R11
Lorien

Jun 3 2010, 6:08pm

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Seemed [In reply to] Can't Post

Like a person with a pretty good grasp on the pulse of the arena. Kind of a fun, semi-snarky tone too. "100 percent probability of relentless scrutiny from blogging Elves, Dwarves and Goblins", made me laugh.


ron


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jun 3 2010, 6:11pm

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Yes I was trying to figure out where I fit. [In reply to] Can't Post

My close friends would probably say Dwarf.

Kangi Ska

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R11
Lorien

Jun 3 2010, 6:21pm

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Don't get me wrong [In reply to] Can't Post

I wasn't casting suspicion. I actually posted it to see if it had been addressed previously, expecting to find that it had been covered and passed over long ago. Still, if deep down inside he wasn't strongly tied to the story type, I could see where it may help explain how he could let it go after spending so much time and when it all seems so poised to go. I could imagine some directors who would practically kill for the opportunity...


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Vangalad
Lorien


Jun 3 2010, 6:41pm

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Zack Snyder could be an interesting solution too. [In reply to] Can't Post

I liked his visualizations of 300 and watchmen and perhaps he has the skills to direct the hobbit.


(This post was edited by Aulendil on Jun 3 2010, 6:45pm)


dormouse
Half-elven

Jun 3 2010, 6:52pm

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Maybe it is wishful thinking... [In reply to] Can't Post

... from me at any rate, I can't speak for anyone else.

I fear you're probably right that Fran is the private part of the partnership and wouldn't want the limelight - but supposing she did, or was open to the idea if it was put to her? Maybe having directed in a supporting role she really would like to try for herself. There's a world of difference between joining in with something because you're partner is working on it and being entrusted with it in your own right. For what it's worth (tuppence ha'penny and a bent hairgrip Wink ) I can offer you a few reasons why I respond with a flicker of hope and curiosity to the suggestion that she might direct the film:

1. Having watched the documentaries on the extended DVDs I feel I know something of her approach and I like what I've seen. She and Philippa Boyens seem to have taken charge of some of the quieter and more introspective parts of the previous films while PJ goes for the action and the monsters - and being an introspective sort of chap, those quieter aspects are the ones I respond to most.

2. It never occurred to me before, but now the idea is stirring, I really would like to see a woman's take on what is after all a very male story (and that doesn't mean I want to see lots of romance added - none at all, if poss!) - just a female approach.

3. She's already part of the team, already intimately involved with the scripting process, and I think there are excellent creative reasons not to bring in an outsider at this stage.

4. The whole project has been hurt very badly by the loss of Guillermo. If we're reeling just as spectators, how must this feel for the people whose livelihoods depend on what is happening? I reckon that if 'The Hobbit' is to go ahead some decisions will have to be made pretty quickly - a long period of uncertainty won't help. You can see just around here how quickly rumours spread and grow. As far as being a 'name' goes, I take your point, but she has Peter Jackson's name behind her - that, and the novelty of putting a woman in charge might just be enough.

Truly - of course it's wishful thinking and I wouldn't even claim to be 'supporting' anyone. I haven't the right or the knowledge of the film world. I'm just holding onto the hope that there will still be a film, and not one that will have everyone saying 'it would have been so much better if.......' I reckon that PJ, or Fran, or some combination of the two offers the best chance of that.

And as it seems comforting right now to stick around here and keep talking, I have to try and think of something to say! Wink


Altaira
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Jun 3 2010, 7:43pm

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Nice points dormouse [In reply to] Can't Post

We shall see what we shall see. But, your points were well thought out and nicely put. Smile


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Ataahua
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Jun 3 2010, 7:53pm

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Hmmm. [In reply to] Can't Post


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I fear you're probably right that Fran is the private part of the partnership and wouldn't want the limelight



One reason for her staying in the background during LOTR's creation was to ensure a normal family life for their children - but now that they're grown up...

Although I believe Fran is naturally an introvert anyway so may not be keen on such a high-profile role regardless of how old her children are now.

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Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

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Half-elven


Jun 3 2010, 8:00pm

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See the article linked by Pipe Dream downthread. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Kangi Ska
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Jun 3 2010, 9:38pm

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I am not apposed to the Idea of Fran directing given the circumstances. [In reply to] Can't Post

And I certainly will consider a woman director. I believe in equal rights. But I hate seeing a bunch of people getting real excited about something that (in my not so humble opinion) has next to no chance of happening. I am trying to be a realist about this whole director thing. I have had my heart broken too many times.Smile

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(This post was edited by Kangi Ska on Jun 3 2010, 9:38pm)


dormouse
Half-elven

Jun 3 2010, 9:47pm

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Fair point [In reply to] Can't Post

I think we're all clutching at straws at the moment.


grammaboodawg
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Jun 4 2010, 2:02am

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I don't do Facebook [In reply to] Can't Post

but I completely agree! Fran would excell in this!


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Mark Sommer
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Jun 4 2010, 2:43am

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Nothing ventured, nothing gained [In reply to] Can't Post

Oh, I'm not going to be completely heartbroken if this doesn't happen. I just don't think that Fran should be ignored, and hopefully the buzz created by us talking about it will at least get her considered, and perhaps get her to consider it.

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jun 4 2010, 2:46am

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Noble Reasons: Go for it. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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AinurOlorin
Half-elven

Jun 4 2010, 6:03am

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Had posted elsewhere. . . but it fits. [In reply to] Can't Post

I am devestated to loose Del Toro. Looking back on Pan's Labyrinth, I thought he would be awesome, and I loved his puppet aimiable sensibilities. Yet what is done is done. As replacements go, neither Sam Rami nor Alfonso Curan are pleasant prospects to me. Rami'w work is fun but generally lacks depth, to my view. And Azkaban was too short, and ended badly. It was not my favourite Potter film. It ranks five out of Six, mainly because film six left outmost of the best scenes from the book. Frankly I would prefer Chris Columbus or the director of Goblet of Fire to Mr. Curaon. My top choices for a new director have not been mentioned here. They are as follows:

Wolfgang Peterson: "some here will remember" that this director helmed an 80s rendering of The Neverending Story. It was virtually flawless. It had heart and depth, and worked on many levels. It truly captured the sense of wonder and I think he could work wonders on The Hobbit.

Ridley Scott: is another treasure from the time before CGI. He did an impressive job with the film Legend, among others. I have no doubt he could do justice to the Hobbit.


Maybe I am stuck in the 8os, but Ron Howard did a great job with Willow, which was something of a "Hobbit Light" when the rights to the actual Hobbit were not yet on the table.


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duats
Grey Havens

Jun 4 2010, 7:25am

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Ridley Scott [In reply to] Can't Post

I do not want that man anywhere near these films. He has done nothing to suggest he is capable of handling fantasy, and he's really been dropping the ball this last decade. His films just bore me to death.


Jettorex
Lorien


Jun 4 2010, 2:20pm

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good talk [In reply to] Can't Post

I think that if PJ does not direct, that Fran would be a truly inspired choice and i would love to see it. Unfortunately, given the situation of uncertainty and all the money and even possibly the fate of a studio riding on it, that the suits would never let an inexperienced director helm the film. They will go with a big name director and probably 3-D.


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