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Who will helm 'The Hobbit'?
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Greg Wright
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Jun 2 2010, 10:23pm

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The Fran Walsh Camp [In reply to] Can't Post

For those on Facebook, Mark Sommer (HollywoodJesus.com, Examiner) has started a "Fran Walsh Should Be Hobbit Director" group.

Here's the raw link if you're interested: http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=121878721182652

No, she's never directed a whole film, much less a two-parter. But as others have noted, when it comes to actual Tolkien knowledge, she's the best of that bunch. She's also got the right sense of aesthetics for the gig, in my book, and it's about time the franchise got back to thinking outside the box. PJ succeeded with LOTR because he WASN'T playing by conventional wisdom. More, please.


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Jun 2 2010, 11:15pm

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Simply not true [In reply to] Can't Post


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But as others have noted, when it comes to actual Tolkien knowledge, she's the best of that bunch.



I've seen others say this here before, and it simply is not the case. Fran was actually by far the least knowledgable about Tolkien of the three main writers, and in many ways the most willing to depart from the original. Philippa Boyens far and away was the most knowledgable about Tolkien (she was actually brought in to be the "Tolkien expert") and even Peter with all of his quirky mawkishness and over the top sense of humor was more committed to staying true to Tolkien than Fran, who was not very familiar with the material, as she herself admits at several points in the commentaries.


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priell3
Lorien


Jun 2 2010, 11:36pm

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Leonard Nimoy... [In reply to] Can't Post

...afterall, he has experiece. Look at his work with the "Ballad of Bilbo Baggins".

Then again, Clint Eastwood could do it. Bard the Bowman: "Go ahead, Smaug. Make my day." Wink

MikeP


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jun 3 2010, 12:42am

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I can back you up all the way on this one. Fran had the least knowledge of Tolkien [In reply to] Can't Post

and if I had time and desire I could prove it.

Kangi Ska

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The Party Tree
Lorien


Jun 3 2010, 1:04am

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Leonard Nimoy [In reply to] Can't Post

Oh poor Leonard...he can't get rid of those pointy ears, can he? XD



Mark Sommer
Rivendell


Jun 3 2010, 2:30am

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In another topic (Admins, feel free to move the post and replies here.) I made these comments:

PJ has the perfect director already in NZ. His wife Fran was a Second Unit Director for The Return of the King, and did a splendid job. For more on this idea, see the link below:

Jackson willing to direct Hobbit, but what about Fran Walsh?

I am dead serious about this, and plan to write an article about why she should helm the movies. I will post a link when it's published.

As Greg Wright said, I have started a Facebook page:
Fran Walsh should be Hobbit Director
Come check it out and become a member if you agree at all.



Mark Sommer
Hollywood Jesus The Hobbit Whole
Check out my review of the new Fan Film, Born of Hope. Born of Hope is first-rate film and great story


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jun 3 2010, 2:31am

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I do not think so.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Patty
Immortal


Jun 3 2010, 2:40am

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Priell, you should go to your room! [In reply to] Can't Post

Leonard Nimroy--that's just so wrong!Laugh

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Mark Sommer
Rivendell


Jun 3 2010, 2:42am

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Really? [In reply to] Can't Post

Just from watching the documentaries to the films, I would say this is absurd. Fran obviously knows MUCH more about Middle-earth than PJ. Greg aught to know since he did the HollywoodJesus.com coverage for LOTR, and actually interviewed the filmmakers. He also wrote a book about the subject (Peter Jackson in Perspective), and has lectured on Tolkien at major universities.

Mark Sommer
Hollywood Jesus The Hobbit Whole
Check out my review of the new Fan Film, Born of Hope. Born of Hope is first-rate film and great story


Patty
Immortal


Jun 3 2010, 2:45am

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I would be very happy with Fran directing [In reply to] Can't Post

if PJ doesn't change his mind.

But from all I remember, Philipa is the Tolkien expert. But I thought it was Pete who wanted to make the most changes. Funny how all that background stuff is gone from the memory banks. I will watch the special features again whenever the EE of the movies are released in Blu.

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Mark Sommer
Rivendell


Jun 3 2010, 2:46am

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That's OK, We'll do this without you then. :) [In reply to] Can't Post

See my post above.

Mark Sommer
Hollywood Jesus The Hobbit Whole
Check out my review of the new Fan Film, Born of Hope. Born of Hope is first-rate film and great story


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jun 3 2010, 2:53am

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Why not support Kate Madison for the Hobbit she has at least directed a movie.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Kangi Ska

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CINE
Bree


Jun 3 2010, 3:07am

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Pete, Fran and Philippa are all incredibly steeped in Tolkien. That's what made the trilogy so masterful -- their commitment to constantly wrestling with the texts (script rewrites nearly every day of the shoot -- that's dedication).

Philippa is the Grand Master Savant of Tolkien though. Listening to the commentaries, and watching documentaries, the woman can absolutely NOT be stumped on any question regarding Tolkien's writings! An amazing, and encyclopedic knowledge she has.

Still, the idea of Fran directing, I think, is completely inspired. She strikes me as so utterly right. On a personality level she's a godsend as far as a Director is concerned: incredible mind; passion; and a humble ego (very rare in a helmer). Most importantly, she seems to understand story like few others.

Note to Production Central re: Fran -- DO IT!


Mark Sommer
Rivendell


Jun 3 2010, 3:21am

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Apples and Oranges [In reply to] Can't Post

....then we'd have to wait another five years. LOL.

Did you read Greg Wright's comments on Fran? He pretty well answers the experience question.

Don't get me wrong. I think Kate would be a great director, but she doesn't have near the background that Fran has, and she would admit herself that she is no Middle-earth expert. I am a HUGE Kate Madison fan (I did an e-mail interview with her.), but I don't think she is ready for a major film.

What I would really like to see is Kate getting an acting part in the film. Maybe Bard's wife?

Mark Sommer
Hollywood Jesus The Hobbit Whole
Check out my review of the new Fan Film, Born of Hope. Born of Hope is first-rate film and great story


Mark Sommer
Rivendell


Jun 3 2010, 3:22am

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: ) [In reply to] Can't Post

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Mark Sommer
Hollywood Jesus The Hobbit Whole
Check out my review of the new Fan Film, Born of Hope. Born of Hope is first-rate film and great story


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Jun 3 2010, 3:30am

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Catherine Hardwicke [In reply to] Can't Post

An obvious choice... can't argue with Twilight's numbers.

I'll let myself out.


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jun 3 2010, 3:35am

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Your support for Fran is fine. [In reply to] Can't Post

Right now I am not supporting anyone except Guillermo del Toro for the job. Beyond this I am taking a wait see. I have suggested several possibilities for possible helmer, some serious some not so. What I want is all of this to be a bad dream that I wake up from and find...Unsure

Kangi Ska

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SirDennisC
Half-elven


Jun 3 2010, 3:51am

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Takashi Miike [In reply to] Can't Post

Just rapping up his latest film 13 Assassins. Clearly isn't afraid of ensemble casts (13 + 1) or trolls speaking of jelly. Probably closer to GDT than most of the other suggestions.


dormouse
Half-elven

Jun 3 2010, 8:10am

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Pipe Dream
Gondor


Jun 3 2010, 9:24am

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17 Director breakdown... [In reply to] Can't Post

Interesting read...it's a should he and could he line up on Sci Fi Wire titled: "Could one of these 17 directors take over The Hobbit?"
Click here and enjoy.


squire
Half-elven


Jun 3 2010, 9:33am

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Required reading [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks for this. It provides a little factual (as well as opinionated) basis for this whole discussion.

Its only weakness is that it is a review of the "usual suspects". Perhaps Jackson and his team will take a chance on a flexible but talented director who has not directed a major summer popcorn blockbuster (like Jackson himself was, before LotR)?



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Twit
Lorien

Jun 3 2010, 10:12am

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I put her forward [In reply to] Can't Post

but more of a 'way out there' candidate although I couldn't remember her name [hmmmCrazy].

I think Fran should perhaps join forces with Philippa again, I seem to [mis]remember that they did alot of the work on LotR together.

IF she is to take over that is. I'm not sure about it myself, but to be honest I don't really mind who does it, as long as I like the end result.


MightyGollum
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Jun 3 2010, 2:31pm

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PJ or Fran Walsh [In reply to] Can't Post

I think at the present stage of the project it would not be good to have a visionary director like Sam Raimi. The film will be a creative mess.
The Hobbit movie needs PJ or in the worst case a “technical” director with Peter being de facto director. So I guess that Fran Walsh could be a good choice (no offence meant) if PJ does not step in.


Patty
Immortal


Jun 3 2010, 3:43pm

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Kate did a great job with Born Of Hope. [In reply to] Can't Post

But I doubt Warner's would take the chance of a relative unknown with a movie of this magnitude, like New Line did. Much as I greatly loved BoH, I think Fran would be a better choice if PJ declines. It seems to me, though, that I read or heard that Fran wants to be very behind -the -scenes. She couldn't do that if she took over the reins of these movies.

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N.E. Brigand
Half-elven


Jun 3 2010, 5:05pm

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Peter, Fran and Philippa are all incredibly steeped in Tolkien.

They knew more than a little to start, and learned a lot more as they went worked, coming to know The Lord of the Rings in particular sufficiently to make the films. And it's possible that knowing Tolkien's work too well would just get in the way of creating the movies. But Jackson, for instance, was unaware of Tolkien's term "eucatastrophe" even after ROTK was released, which is pretty basic Tolkiena. (Though he probably grasped the concept intuitively.) There are hundreds if not thousands of people more "steeped in Tolkien" than Jackson, Walsh and probably even Boyens, some of whom post to these forums. But only a few of those people have any experience making films, and probably none in a project of comparable scope.

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