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Who will helm 'The Hobbit'?
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duats
Grey Havens

Jun 2 2010, 2:17am

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Honestly [In reply to] Can't Post

Out of that list, the only two people I'd be completely comfortable with would be Peter Jackson and Alfonso Cuaron.


Oiotári
Tol Eressea


Jun 2 2010, 2:20am

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I guess I never thought "chicken nugget" when I saw him [In reply to] Can't Post

but, yes, I do know which orc you're talking about
I've thought other things, just not "chicken nugget"


Faithless is he who says farewell when the road darkens


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jun 2 2010, 2:21am

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Isn't that McGothmog? [In reply to] Can't Post

Or have I gotten way too obscure? He deserves a break today! (There I said it...)

Kangi Ska

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Doriath
Rivendell


Jun 2 2010, 2:22am

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Sloth [In reply to] Can't Post

He kinda looks like Sloth from "The Goonies" Slothmog? ;)

The Trees will have their revenge!

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Oiotári
Tol Eressea


Jun 2 2010, 2:32am

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that way we can differentiate him from the balrog [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't like having to specify which one I'm talking about
that'll solve the problem Wink


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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jun 2 2010, 2:40am

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You want that Balrog with an order of wings?// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Kangi Ska

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cameragod
Lorien


Jun 2 2010, 3:00am

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Just putting it out there... [In reply to] Can't Post

I am available to direct. It will probably mean tweaking my diary but I am willing to do that.


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Oiotári
Tol Eressea


Jun 2 2010, 3:00am

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how about one wing (he's a multi-fan hybrid) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


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duats
Grey Havens

Jun 2 2010, 3:06am

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Yeah no kidding [In reply to] Can't Post

Let me take a crack at The Hobbit. I'd even work for free, so long as my basic living expenses are covered.


Owain
Tol Eressea


Jun 2 2010, 3:08am

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With respect, I disagree ... with the level of experience point of view... [In reply to] Can't Post


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I think he showed remarkable skill the first time out with D-9. But he needs a bit more experience before he takes on a project the size of this one.


PJ hadn't really directed anything of note other than Heavenly Creatures (I am a fan of all of his films). And he was instrumental in getting NB for District - 9, a short film turned feature after Halo was scrapped.

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jun 2 2010, 3:11am

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Sory Cameragod Gandyalf says "Cthulhu called and wants to direct."// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Kangi Ska

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Oiotári
Tol Eressea


Jun 2 2010, 3:14am

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just pay all of TORn's living expenses in NZ [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm sure we could find SOMETHING that we all agreed upon.... given a year or two Wink


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duats
Grey Havens

Jun 2 2010, 3:15am

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Kudos, thesithempire [In reply to] Can't Post

"Alfonso Cuaron: He's Del Toro's friend and filmmaking ally, and will go along with all the work Guillermo's done for the last two years rather than chuck it in order to narcisstically put "his own stamp" on the process. I've no issue with a director wanting to legitimately improve the script and/or designs. God knows Jackson could've used some of that with the trilogy (hello, mountain trolls, chicken-nugget orc, and piss-poor Army of the Dead conception.) But many directors are more concerned with their vision and name than with preserving the aesthetic of Tolkien's world. Cuaron has proven he can handle fantasy and more importantly, character, drama and world-building. And he can make you *feel* which is imperative for such a project."

Talk about a compelling argument.


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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jun 2 2010, 3:16am

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But this is "The Hobbit" the one and only... [In reply to] Can't Post

In my (not so) humble opinion, I think the project deserves the very best director at its helm. Hitchcock & Kubrick are dead so that leaves them out...

Kangi Ska

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cameragod
Lorien


Jun 2 2010, 3:17am

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That’s a relief actually… [In reply to] Can't Post

...because I wasn’t sure if I was prepared to grow the required "directors beard" … my wife hates the scratchy feel.







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Owain
Tol Eressea


Jun 2 2010, 3:20am

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I don't think there is any disagreement there. [In reply to] Can't Post

IMO we had that in Guillermo Del Toro. But to your point about Neil Blomkamp, he would be walking into The Hobbit with actually more than PJ had when he made the Lord of the Rings Trilogy.

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


duats
Grey Havens

Jun 2 2010, 3:21am

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I have to say I'm warming up to the idea of Cuaron. I do like his Harry Potter film the best of the six released. And for those who don't like that movie because of the liberties it took with the original text, remember that the Hobbit scripts are being written by Jackson, Walsh, Boyens, and Del Toro. So I sincerely doubt faithfulness to the source will be an issue.

And while I would like a breath of fresh air for these films, Jackson would obviously be a safe choice.


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Jun 2 2010, 3:23am

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Do not overlook "Children of Men". It is a great film.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Kangi Ska

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Doriath
Rivendell


Jun 2 2010, 3:57am

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yes [In reply to] Can't Post

a very great film

The Trees will have their revenge!


N.E. Brigand
Half-elven


Jun 2 2010, 4:32am

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Brad Bird or Masayuki Suo. [In reply to] Can't Post

Repeating a comment from three or four years ago: someone with a fine comedic sense, I hope. Though Bird appears to be busy with other projects, and I don't know if Suo speaks English.

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Gandalf'sMother
Rohan

Jun 2 2010, 5:15am

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Malvern, why... [In reply to] Can't Post

and I ask this question seriously, do you group Cuaron in with your list of "boring" directors? Personally, I agree that the other directors on the TORN list are uninspiring, to say the least (particularly Raimi). But Cuaron is on another plane altogether. A filmmaker and artist first. What is it that you find objectionable about hos work?


(This post was edited by Gandalf'sMother on Jun 2 2010, 5:17am)


Darkstone
Immortal


Jun 2 2010, 5:23am

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Or Yimou Zhang. / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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sharku
Rivendell

Jun 2 2010, 5:32am

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Some more names [In reply to] Can't Post

I told you guys this wouldn't be out this side of 2020 :p

OK, OK - some names - oooh - this is even more fun than trying to guess who Bilbo will be.

John Boorman - he wanted to do LOTR back in the 1980's but ended up doing Excalibur instead.
Alfonso Cuaron - yep he'll do
PJ - yep, he'll do too

OK, I'm out.


Nickey08
Bree


Jun 2 2010, 5:42am

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Interesting... [In reply to] Can't Post

In film history, if we were to go back before LOTR and we all watched "Brain Dead" or "Bad Taste", we'd be screaming bloody-murder for him NOT to direct anything. What I'm getting at, is that we're all working ourselves up into a frenzy over what's going to happen next. Did anyone have Vegas odds on MGM going bankrupt? Did anyone see into the future about GDT leaving the project? You never know... GDT might decide to come back (?) Something else could happen that we never expected - Hell, Matamata could get hit with a massive natural disaster tomorrow and wipe out the entire Hobbiton set. You just never know...

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thesithempire
Rivendell

Jun 2 2010, 5:48am

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Gothmog indeed! [In reply to] Can't Post

Indeed, what should've been one of the Ringwraiths, Gothmog was instead a doofy-looking orc who's head looked like a chicken nugget. So silly was this design that even the great Lawrence Makaore, who made Lurtz so fearsome and frightening, couldn't save this ridiculous character who pulled me out of the film every time the goofball limped onscreen.

I know that for some the SW prequels were the bigger disappointment, but those at least got better with each film. LOTR, on the other hand, got progressively worse. (Note: despite the fact that I'm writing this at 2 AM with a bit of a head cold, it's an honest assessment from someone who expected and tried on numerous occassions to like -- if not love -- this film.) I was aghast at not only how un-Tolkienian ROTK was, but just how limp and messy it was as a film, with a few exceptions (Faramir, Gandalf's riding out to the Nazgul, the lighting of the towers, the Houses of Healing, the return to the Shire).

Now, granted ROTK's biggest problems were a terrible, rushed, muddy script that jettisoned from the book entire chapters, characters and dialogue in favor of tiresome battles and looooong, still shots of Elijah Wood's face (this is in part due to some awful editing from Selkirk who needs to go back to film-school), but Jackson didn't help with his direction and decision-making. e.g., Aragorn's final battle... with a troll (!) They had a fascinating character in the Mouth of Sauron, but they killed him off after five seconds and instead had Aragorn face off against a mediocre lump of lameness (we'd already seen Aragorn face-off with a troll in FOTR). If Jackson had bothered to make the Mountain Trolls at least a unique design, it might have been ok, but it's basically a bigger Cave Troll (which was a complete waste of a Tolkien creation and wholly lacking in genuine drama.)

I understand that they were all under tremendous strain and time-pressure, but it really shows. Perhaps with a genuinely excellent script (as the Hobbit scripts are rumored to have), Jackson could do a good job (I, for one, loved his King Kong -- theatrical and EE). But if his heart's not in it, or if the idea of it makes him think of the exhaustion that was the making of LOTR, then it would be harmful to the film (and probably to him) to endeavor to direct it.


(This post was edited by thesithempire on Jun 2 2010, 5:54am)

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